Dumbledore’s Big Plan: Chamber of Secrets Edition

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@itsallme1234
@itsallme1234 Ай бұрын
Without Dobby closing the barrier, Ron's wand is undamaged, and Lockhart successfully wipes Harry and Ron's minds, leaving Ginny to die and Diary Riddle to resurrect. Pretty grim, actually.
@hackmxn
@hackmxn Ай бұрын
Glad someone else thought of it too
@jmace2424
@jmace2424 Ай бұрын
Or they get eaten by Aragog.
@ashleeknowlton5805
@ashleeknowlton5805 Ай бұрын
Oh dang.
@kayleighlehrman9566
@kayleighlehrman9566 Ай бұрын
Possibly not; unicorn hair wands are said to be particularly loyal to their wizard, so Lockheart attempting to use Ron's wand against him, without having won it's allegiance, still might backfire anyway
@johnkovarik1053
@johnkovarik1053 Ай бұрын
I was listening to this in my car and felt the need to pull over to write this comment but then saw that you had already written it. Good stuff.
@manodipanmahakuda5630
@manodipanmahakuda5630 Ай бұрын
About the Quirell and Lockhart theory, Hagrid mentions "there was a nasty bit o' trouble with a hag, NEVER BEEN THE SAME SINCE. SCARED OF THE STUDENTS, SCARED OF HIS OWN SUBJECT -" A stark change in behaviour, this could be a lead into this theory.
@riluna3695
@riluna3695 Ай бұрын
Oh dang, fun theory has legs to stand on? That's always when the best content gets made. I hope the fact we haven't seen a video from them on this yet doesn't mean it'll never come. I'd love to see what a deep-dive into the story makes of this idea.
@LOVEMUFFIN_official
@LOVEMUFFIN_official Ай бұрын
Like Lockheart makes Quirrel more susceptible to Voldemort by already messing with his mind.
@aliceepalermo5047
@aliceepalermo5047 23 күн бұрын
Maybe Lockhart disgusted himself as a hag to wipe Quirrel’s memory without anyone seeing it was him!
@manodipanmahakuda5630
@manodipanmahakuda5630 23 күн бұрын
@@aliceepalermo5047 good idea, but I don't think Lockhart has any disguise skills, more like he modified his memory to look like he had trouble with hags instead of whatever he did with trolls
@gecormac
@gecormac Ай бұрын
Dobby is MASSIVE in chamber because if they do not crash the car, Ron's wand is not broken and Lockhart probably just erases the memories of both Ron and Harry which will end the story right there
@modelomegatyler
@modelomegatyler Ай бұрын
they also die to the spiders because the car isn't in the forest.
@mienfu9824
@mienfu9824 Ай бұрын
SCB have actually already done a video about this very thing. Weird that they don't remember it.
@emma_704
@emma_704 Ай бұрын
Gosh, I was screaming at the screen "Ron's wand! Ron's wand!!!" lol
@boilerfan18
@boilerfan18 Ай бұрын
In the Pottermore page for Lockhart it says Dumbledore knew 2 of the people whose life’s work Lockhart took credit for. I like the idea that the werewolf book is one of them.
@c0urtn3y526
@c0urtn3y526 Ай бұрын
Snape and McGonagall scene - when Snape sees Harry, the look of relief on Snape's face is only there for a second... I really appreciated Alan Rickman's acting in this part. Once you realize the emotional implications in the book and you rewatch this part of the film, you pick up subtle nuances like this that makes watching the movies on repeat worth it.
@scottdevault4175
@scottdevault4175 Ай бұрын
Don't ask . Harry's kids calling hagrid grandpa just popped in my head and made me smile .
@kimberlygordon5290
@kimberlygordon5290 Ай бұрын
Ron won't have detention either without Dobby, having his wand broken and the slug spell backfiring, he won't spend the whole night cleaning Tom Riddle's award knowing the name and finding out about his service to the school.
@nathanelb721
@nathanelb721 Ай бұрын
And eventually Lockhart will use the wand to oblivtiate the boys
@menachemsalomon
@menachemsalomon Ай бұрын
"Harry has his mother's eyes." And the eyes are the doors to the soul, by which it is implied -- and I think this may be the author's intention -- that while Harry looks like James, and in many ways has James's skills (Quiditch, DADA, etc.), he has his mother's heart. He is kind, and considerate, and likes people like Hagrid and Luna. His personality is more like Lily's, who was friends with the poorly dressed boy from down the lane, and less like James, who found every opportunity to bully him.
@maximilianosalvador9559
@maximilianosalvador9559 Ай бұрын
It's funny how they discuss whether Dobby is pointless for the first time... Despite having made a video called literally "Is Dobby Pointless?" in their main, 9 months ago... And they conclude the EXACT OPPOSITE
@JahanMisra
@JahanMisra Ай бұрын
yeah that makes me wonder how much of the scripts they write themselves nowadays. i always assumed they were the writers and the other members of the team were just helping out with other stuff but maybe that isn’t the case (not that there’s anything wrong with that)
@mienfu9824
@mienfu9824 Ай бұрын
@@JahanMisra I think it's more due to the fact that they've done hundreds of theories now, and they just don't remember them all.
@spencercorpuz
@spencercorpuz Ай бұрын
I've often wonder if they're just throwing stuff at the wall with these theories. They're usually making pretty big reaches when it comes to this stuff, especially the Harry in Slytherin series.
@JahanMisra
@JahanMisra Ай бұрын
@@mienfu9824 I’d think going through the chain of logic again would remind them of the hours they spent writing the script for the video. plus they came to a different conclusion this time
@iRazenrak
@iRazenrak 19 күн бұрын
I'd say Dobby isn't useless, just easily replaceable. Ron doesn't HAVE to have his wand broken in the car crash, there're a myriad of ways he could accidentally break it. Harry and Ron don't HAVE to miss the train, and Harry doesn't HAVE to be in the hospital wing from Dobby's bludger. He could overhear Pomfrey's conversation elsewhere, as this series is full of coincidental run-ins and eavesdropping into conversations.
@gamer_dude94
@gamer_dude94 Ай бұрын
It is possible that Dumbledore was using legilimency with Lockhart and knew that Lockhart is a fraud that way.
@ObsessiveGeek
@ObsessiveGeek Ай бұрын
Possibly…though I do like that he knew at least one of the events from the person themselves that gets erased and thus is keeping an eye on Lockhart and decides he will do just fine in teaching Harry about being humble.
@Frenchiesfiberfiles
@Frenchiesfiberfiles Ай бұрын
Without dobby Ron doesn't break his wand and Lockhart successfully wipes their memory and Ginny dies and Tom riddle comes back
@waynelipman8558
@waynelipman8558 20 күн бұрын
Without Dobby, Ron and Harry don't need the car and therefore most likely get killed by Aragog's family.
@SpizzyRich
@SpizzyRich Ай бұрын
Hey, Brother! Jay, I moustache you a question: would Dumbledore know about Quirrel's time studying trolls, say, during the summer, then say Quirrel returns with no recollection of it. Would that give him cause the next year to hire Lockhart, with knowledge of his modus operandi?
@ambiverter
@ambiverter 24 күн бұрын
Love the pun !
@WKP1996
@WKP1996 Ай бұрын
Really like your bonus episodes with Dumbledore's big plan. Thanks for being a podcast that I've listend to as it released. Feel so weird at the start of Chamber it was snow and now we are one week from Summer!
@maja-kehn9130
@maja-kehn9130 Ай бұрын
I´d love your take on a story of Dumbldores years as a Hogwarts student. That would be so epic. I think the last triwiard tournament might have been even during his time too.
@eddyq58
@eddyq58 Ай бұрын
I keep shouting at the screen when you guys miss something very ovbious that you do not mention. In the chamber after the basilisk is blinded but still chasing Harry, Harry puts on the sorting hat and says "help me, help me". That is when the sword appears in the hat and hits Harry in the head. Why the head trauma I do not know, this is something for the Carlin Bros to ponder. This fulfills Dumbledore's statement that "at Hogwarts help will be given to those who ask for it." I saw this as I was reading the chapters along with the pod casts. BTW, I love the pod cast you give so much insight to the books.
@UnfazedPhoenix
@UnfazedPhoenix Ай бұрын
They already talk about this in DETAIL in the Heir of Slytherin chapter, the episode before this.
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 Ай бұрын
Dumbledore has a plan. Dumbledore ALWAYS has a plan
@skyward7895
@skyward7895 Ай бұрын
A quality reference
@danielkopcha2011
@danielkopcha2011 Ай бұрын
Yes he does but is it for his benefit. Example SCB: Dumbledore’s big plan regarding the main books during Harry’s time
@austinbosovich6130
@austinbosovich6130 Ай бұрын
I get that reference!
@TheRiusaki500
@TheRiusaki500 Ай бұрын
Dumbledore The iron headmaster
@nerwen24able
@nerwen24able Ай бұрын
In one of the last episodes you asked how it is for people with another mother tongue than English. I am from Austria and so German is my first language. For my eleventh birthday I got the first book translated into german. So I read all the books in German except the last one (this one I only read in English). Then my English was good enough to read them. Later I reread all of the books in English. And now when I talk about them I can't remember the German words for the special words in the wizarding world, eg. snitch, bludgers, ... Some words were "translated" to German, others not. In the book that I got for my eleventh birthday Sirius' last name was translated to "Schwarz" (german for black), in the later books he was called Black without the translation. I needed a very long time to make the connection because of that. Even after the scene in the Three Broomsticks. 😅😅
@riluna3695
@riluna3695 Ай бұрын
That's a fascinating story :D Thank you for sharing.
@acleamofhope
@acleamofhope Ай бұрын
Same for me! I am German and read book 1-6 in German when they came out. My first English read was Deathly Hallows because a good friend of mine, whose mother is an English teacher, was able to read book 6 before me and told me about Dumbledores death 😮 so i wanted to be prepared to not get spoiled in book 7... Got back at this friend ten years later - i read book 5 of game of thrones while she was only watching the series 😏 so i could tell her a little bit about Jon Snow. She called it even after that 😅
@nerwen24able
@nerwen24able Ай бұрын
@@acleamofhope being spoiled that is really mean, but you got your revenge 😜
@amymelsoner5775
@amymelsoner5775 Ай бұрын
Fellowship of the Phoenix
@shhimreading906
@shhimreading906 Ай бұрын
honestly i'm now just thinking about how quickly the story of chamber of secrets could have been solved if dobby had just gone to tell dumbledore that "not NOT he who must not be named" was going to make terrible things happen at hogwarts. like wbk dumbledore would've got the hint straight away
@patriciablakeslee6851
@patriciablakeslee6851 Ай бұрын
53:30 y’all need to read the comments because the grapes thing is a common British thing to bring to people in the hospital 😂😂😂
@TheToneBender
@TheToneBender Ай бұрын
Dumbledore using the sword against Grindlewald would absolutely make sense, because it could overpower the Elder Wand
@coolnerdlll6053
@coolnerdlll6053 Ай бұрын
I just started watching Through the Griffin Door yesterday. Right now I'm on The Sorting Hat, and so far the series has been awesome. I never realized how deep the books got even before the whole "accepting death" motif was introduced.
@jb888888888
@jb888888888 Ай бұрын
I'm just glad J found some pants.
@WildWolf-hc4ug
@WildWolf-hc4ug Ай бұрын
I never noticed that Snape knocks the Carrow’s out! Amazing detail!
@YaBoyNick1
@YaBoyNick1 Ай бұрын
Theory idea and if they want to talk about it in the Q and A. What if Harry hired Dobby after Chamber. Why does he have to go out into the world for several years looking for paying work when Harry (whose not really on a budget) can pay him to live with him at the Dursley’s, secretly of course, or have him stay at Hogwarts right off the bat? He could have helped look for Peter pettigrew, he could have helped he might have been able to follow crookshanks to find out he was working with Sirius at the time. Just spouting off things here, but think this could maybe be something.
@Gnarlf
@Gnarlf 26 күн бұрын
Interesting Idea. Would tge ministry permit a house elf in a muggle household though? If yes, harry wouldn't have gotten into trouble for underage magic anymore, since there is a known magic user on the premise. It would also have severely altered the Dursleys behaviour again, since that got worse, after they found out Harry can't use magic. It might had prevented the Aunt Marge Incident -> Harry wouldn't take the Knight bus -> no expeliarmus on stan shunpike -> no golden flames revealed to voldemort -> voldemort not seeking out the elder wand It would change quite a bit on the main plot alone, not ro speak of all the side plots.
@cjg8763
@cjg8763 Ай бұрын
Come on Lockhart, "Dances With Werewolves" was right there! 😆
@Ralph-rr9iv
@Ralph-rr9iv Ай бұрын
The one think about Lockheart. Dumbledore knew he was a fraud AND knew the DADD was cursed. He had hoped the curse would expose Lockheart as well,
@keveyson
@keveyson Ай бұрын
To me Dumbledore's Big Plan is to HP as Rhaegar+Lyanna=Jon is to A Song of Ice and Fire. It's pretty much cannon at this point.
@lindabroer8995
@lindabroer8995 Ай бұрын
You guys are mixing up movie lore and book lore when it comes to Tom Riddle. In the movie Tom speaks with Dumbledore. In the books Tom speaks with professor Dippet instead. Therefore, Dumbledore isn't seeing a parallel in the conversation with Harry when he lies to Dumbledore. I'm sure Dumbledore knows Harry is lying, but there is no relation for Dumbledore to a previous conversation with Tom.
@filip5010
@filip5010 Ай бұрын
I think that in the wizarding world it's been known for centturies, that the rightfull place of Gryffindor's sword it's in the headmaster's office. It dissapears from there, when a true Gryffindor needs it, and returns after it's used. It explains that Dumbledore hide it there and was sure it wouldn't dissapear somewhere else, when it's time for Snape to give it to Harry. So if you are a Gryffindor and you go to Dumbledore's office, and you need the sword in brave or desperate curcumstances, you would be able to pick it up and use it.
@richardprice2398
@richardprice2398 Ай бұрын
Not to mention Dumbledore fell in the same category as James and Sirius, he was about fame and it caused him so much pain
@dick_strong
@dick_strong Ай бұрын
the way J said "Ollivander?!?" had me giggling
@simunjiii
@simunjiii Ай бұрын
Well to the importance of the car I would like to propose a theory of mine, that it is actually Dumbledore, who is making the car drive inside of the forbidden forest. He could have heard Hagrid suggesting that they should follow the spiders and waited for them there like he did with the mirror in the philosopher’s stone. He might not want to approach them if not necessary and therefore use the car. For the arrival of Harry and Ron it might be possible that Snape was send by Dumbledore to have a look out for Harry and Ron as they were not in the train / at the feast. That fits with Snapes chair being already empty, when they arrive at the great hall. It would be therefore possible that Snape made the car drive into the forbidden forest from a distance to stop Harry and Ron from doing something with it and other students from seeing it.
@MarieGarrett.
@MarieGarrett. Ай бұрын
52:51 it's a British thing. At that time, bringing grapes to someone in the hospital was something you did for a loved one or friend.
@RobinSijtsma
@RobinSijtsma Ай бұрын
Congrats on your first sponsor on the podcast guys!! 🎉
@hufflepom
@hufflepom Ай бұрын
In my mind whenever Dumbledore wants Snape to do something, but doesn’t want to explain why he just says, “do it for Lily” lol
@keithg460
@keithg460 Ай бұрын
Quirrel was able to get in and out of Gringotts without getting caught. That makes him an extremely talented wizard, so as far as I'm concerned, Travels with Trolls theory confirmed. Nice one, bros.
@user-qf8bj9ix9p
@user-qf8bj9ix9p Ай бұрын
How heart breaking would it be to see a scene with a young Gilderoy visiting an old Newt….
@justinbroderick7843
@justinbroderick7843 Ай бұрын
So, I'm currently catching up on a backlog of episodes and am listening to Chapter 17 right now and had an epiphany... what if Salazar Slytherin built the Chamber of Secrets because he was secretly a maledictus and didn’t want his friends to know he was slowly changing into a basilisk? Is this some old fan theory that I've never heard before and was discarded long ago?
@alexmfjudd
@alexmfjudd Ай бұрын
Also dobby teaches all three of the trio about how house else have been treated and the thing that tips the scale in hermoines loves for ron
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 Ай бұрын
Amazing! Thanks For this! Love it! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@SullyDunn
@SullyDunn Ай бұрын
The fact o fell behind my almost 12 chapters is crushing. To catch up it will require 12 hours lmao. Love the channel and the commitment to the plot keep up the good work
@deannahall8308
@deannahall8308 Ай бұрын
The "Pre"-Order was right there guys 18:14 lol
@joonaslaitinen9520
@joonaslaitinen9520 Ай бұрын
One thing came to my mind today when listening Deathly Hallows. Why did locket Horcrux try to murder Harry while in pool? I mean Harry is also Horcrux, so it seems strange that Horcrux is trying to destroy other Horcrux...
@jackpickard1817
@jackpickard1817 Ай бұрын
I’m not sure if it’s the case in America, but in England grapes are a typical thing that you’d bring to a hospital
@AaronJamesMediaProductions
@AaronJamesMediaProductions Ай бұрын
Bringing fruit to someone in the hospital is a British custom
@ObsessiveGeek
@ObsessiveGeek Ай бұрын
There was TONS of responses saying this when they mentioned it first time…there’s no way they didn’t see them
@ObsessiveGeek
@ObsessiveGeek Ай бұрын
Though I’d say it’s actually a pretty European wide custom
@AaronJamesMediaProductions
@AaronJamesMediaProductions Ай бұрын
@@ObsessiveGeek I was one of them lol
@AaronJamesMediaProductions
@AaronJamesMediaProductions Ай бұрын
@@ObsessiveGeek didn’t know that, I assumed (since they hadn’t heard of it) that it was English only
@UnfazedPhoenix
@UnfazedPhoenix Ай бұрын
In the middle of the night?
@patrickdukart3298
@patrickdukart3298 Ай бұрын
If Dobby wouldn't have shown up, then Harry would probably only see Dobby as a weird little creature with Luscious.
@sarahclarke1550
@sarahclarke1550 26 күн бұрын
I LOVE the idea that lockheart stoll travels with trolls from quirrel. One of my really big issues with Quirrel is the scene at Halloween when he faints at the stress of a troll. We are very aware that trolls are his speciality and most of the teachers would know this, especially dumbledore and probably those guarding the stone. So why is he so freaked out? I know its a diversion for him, but why did he think it would work? The teachers would expect him to deal with it. So maybe lockheart had just recently stollen his memory about trolls and he forgot how to deal with them? Not sure if memory charms could have a short term dazzling effect and then a long term forgetful effect.
@JayFranklin-hb3hx
@JayFranklin-hb3hx Ай бұрын
Great bonus episode! Google form submitted!
@thirteenthandy
@thirteenthandy Ай бұрын
I was just watching Chamber again and it struck me how the "multiple Voldemorts" problem would be solved. If the diary Tom Riddle got a living body for that piece of soul, the piece of soul you call "Voldemort Prime" would simply rejoin that body. Those pieces of soul would not be repaired, as he would not go through the process of genuine remorse to repair his fractured soul, he would just be in the state of 16-year-old body with a fractured soul just like the moment he murdered Myrtle. He would be able to either live with a fractured soul, or to create a new Horcrux whenever he wanted to. The only thing that would have caused a conflict would be if two separate pieces of soul managed to get inside living bodies at the same time, but that never happened.
@sierran9653
@sierran9653 Ай бұрын
Without the flying car, Harry also sees the carriages that pull themselves and Thestrels are much more surprising later on
@TaratheEnchantress
@TaratheEnchantress Ай бұрын
He sees that in year 3 and 4 ? He just doesn’t go to the sorting ceremony year 3 because he’s being checked over by Madame Pomfrey.
@jb888888888
@jb888888888 Ай бұрын
Dobby is necessary in this book to set up House Elfs and their rules. So when Kreacher follows RAB's orders it's understood without stopping the story for an explanation. Other house-elfs too.
@H20ticklemehomo
@H20ticklemehomo Ай бұрын
Here we go
@Tophadoodledoo
@Tophadoodledoo Ай бұрын
Appreciate J with the Salty Dog sweater during the sponsor spot; a lot of good memories on Hilton Head.
@jackmcloughlin2135
@jackmcloughlin2135 Ай бұрын
Without Dobby Harry and Ron dont fly the car to school, Ron's wand dose not brake, Lovkhearts spell dose not backfire, Ginny dies, Riddle comes back. Dobby prevents Voldermorts return
@wrdreads4742
@wrdreads4742 Ай бұрын
The extra edits of close ups when each is talking, intense, well done to the editors!!!!! It does get a bit jarring near the end.... But eggcellently done! Most of the time, I think it's great, maybe some of the close ups for one-word responses could be wide shots with a little buffer to slow it down a little bit, speaking as someone with seizures.... Though I do understand the thought process, and it was a good idea that really added an extra level to the video.
@bhavens9149
@bhavens9149 Ай бұрын
I think Hagrid understands evil patient people biding their time in the dark because he helped Dumbledore with Grindelwald, like Newt. AND because he understands hunting predators, because he's a wild creature person.
@occheermommy
@occheermommy Ай бұрын
So I keep commenting on the videos that there was something in wizarding world that explains why Dumbledore hired Lockhart. What I didn’t remember is how it kind of does fall in with his big plan. Here is the quote from wizarding world: Albus Dumbledore’s plans, however, ran deep. He happened to have known two of the wizards for whose life’s work Gilderoy Lockhart had taken credit, and was one of the only people in the world who thought he knew what Lockhart was up to. Dumbledore was convinced that Lockhart needed only to be put back into an ordinary school setting to be revealed as a charlatan and a fraud. Professor McGonagall, who had never liked Lockhart, asked Dumbledore what he thought students would learn from such a vain, celebrity-hungry man. Dumbledore replied that ‘there is plenty to be learned even from a bad teacher: what not to do, how not to be’. That last line is similar to what Ben and J have been saying about showing Harry not to let fame get to his head.
@MyBookStory
@MyBookStory Ай бұрын
HP ALWAYS! The mustache J! lol. Also, loving this alongside content!
@richardprice2398
@richardprice2398 Ай бұрын
Love the stash J, love the content gentleman
@VVOPOL
@VVOPOL Ай бұрын
I actually always thought that he hired an Obvious Teacher just to get him for impersonating other people in a first place
@Deerhunterjs
@Deerhunterjs Ай бұрын
There's an article on the Wizarding world website that talks about how Dumbledore is friends with several of the people Lockhart stole stories from.
Ай бұрын
Dumbledore warns Mr. Malfoy not to bring more of Tom Riddle's objects, especially horkruxes, into Hogwarts, while Harry is in the room. 5 years later, Harry brings another Horkrux to Hogwarts.
@marcekessen8003
@marcekessen8003 Ай бұрын
Guys!! Like MANY other people said, Ron’s wand!! Dobby was rather important in that sequence of events and having Lockhart eventually meet Karma
@ajrestivo
@ajrestivo Ай бұрын
For maybe the last 3 years I was convinced ben was the older of the two brothers. He seems like it
@ginnyjollykidd
@ginnyjollykidd Ай бұрын
Hermione is excellent with memory charms. She removed herself from her parents' memories but left the rest. Her parents went to Australia (Sydney?). So yes, you don't have to wipe a person's entire memory.
@CathrynLundeen
@CathrynLundeen Ай бұрын
I know Fantastic Beasts doesn't make any sense, but what if Fawkes isn't Credence, or Corvus. What if it's Ariana? 'A son cruelly banished' could refer to Dumbledore being 'trapped' inside Godric's Hollow after his mother dies. 'Despair of the daughter' Ariana. 'Return great avenger with wings from the water' Fawkes could come during a time of need for Dumbledore literally out of water. I love the theory of phoenixes being past Dumbledore's who've died coming to aid the present ones, and I think Fawkes being Ariana holds more weight due to her relationship with Dumbledore.
@hufflepom
@hufflepom Ай бұрын
I have a way too long thing written about this very idea that I plan to give the brothers when I see them at the live taping. are you cool if I include your notes (with credit)
@CathrynLundeen
@CathrynLundeen Ай бұрын
@hufflepom oh yeah sure thanks!
@JessicaClark-lq4gw
@JessicaClark-lq4gw Ай бұрын
I have a suggestion for a potential Lockhart Victim. Bathilda Bagshot. We know she knew Dumbledore, he would have heard plenty of stories from her in the years he lived next to her in Godrics Hollow. She was introduced to James and Lilly by Dumbledore. Her memory went funny at some point. The reasoning given for her memory has always been her age but she is the only magical person we know who has memory issues without being affected by a memory charm.
@Kyamusuku
@Kyamusuku Ай бұрын
Surely Dumbledore used occlumency on Hagrid to figure out that Ron and Harry were in the shack
@quilldragon1074
@quilldragon1074 Ай бұрын
What if Lockheart's memory charm on Quirell is what weakened Quirell enough to make him vulnerable to Voldemort's influence? Walking through the Albanian forest freshly obliviated and having just lost his sense of self, he stumbles upon the wisp of voldemort, who is able to use this to his advantage and twist Quirell to his will.
@saltshaker1118
@saltshaker1118 Ай бұрын
Something I just now considered while watching this. Why does Dumbledore not consider the prophecy fulfilled when James and Lily die? As far as the prophecy is concerned, Mouldy Voldy comes to attack the Potters, Lily dies to save Harry thereby giving him the power the dark lord knows not. Mouldy marks him as his equal with the curse and then 'dies' half a second later due to the sacrificial love and meaning one died at the hand of the other. I could be missing something but I'm pretty sure the prophecy be lookin' awfully fulfilled, especially because Dumbly doesn't figure out the horcruxes until at least Chamber of Secrets.
@IdaSantti
@IdaSantti Ай бұрын
But he didn't really died, Voldemort says so himself
@saltshaker1118
@saltshaker1118 Ай бұрын
@@IdaSantti But Dumbledore doesn't know that, he just knows that after attacking Harry he disappeared and his forces fell and he doesn't know about the Horcruxes to assume that he's still alive
@IdaSantti
@IdaSantti Ай бұрын
@@saltshaker1118 he didn't know about the horcruxes specifically yes, but he never believed Voldy to be dead and gone. That's why he put Harry to live with Petunia
@joshuapomeroy8618
@joshuapomeroy8618 Ай бұрын
I personally head-cannon that Dumbledore himself teaches DADA to the O.W.L and up students so that they aren’t left with an incompetent teacher for such important tests.
@oliverdknielsen7508
@oliverdknielsen7508 Ай бұрын
I have a question What book editions are you useing?
@justinmelton637
@justinmelton637 Ай бұрын
Ron doesn't get detention and doesn't have to polish the tom riddle trophy
@2DJoYogurt
@2DJoYogurt Ай бұрын
I was listening to goblet of fire and I realize something Frank Bryce is only awakened due to a pain in his leg so what if he never woke up, Nagini would’ve never been turned into a horcrux (I forgot which book Dumbledore confirms this in, but it is said that he ties the connection between the death of Frank Bryce and the sudden change in Nagini) meaning that Harry would never have seen the vision of Nagini biting Mr. Weasley which means Dumbledore never connects that both Harry and Voldemort have a link into each other’s minds. Meaning, as soon as Voldemort realizes this, he will have a much greater connection because Harry would not have been taking lessons against it, or Voldemort find out at all?
@ScottReika
@ScottReika Ай бұрын
Dumbledore does not seem to me the kind of person to leave it up to chance that the Chosen One might have his memory wiped. We can assume he knows about Ron's wand, but it is just as often causing chaos as cleanly backfiring against the user. Moreover, there was every chance that Lockhart could just as easily have stolen Harry's wand. To me this means the Elder Wand MUST be capable of reversing presumed irreversible memory charms, which does make sense, BUT it also means that Dumbledore chose not to in Lockhart's case. It is clearly not the most terrible decision Albus ever made, just a slightly darker moment than it may first appear.
@KageTaylor
@KageTaylor Ай бұрын
Hooray!
@jasonburt8069
@jasonburt8069 Ай бұрын
Big What if idea, maybe after hearing the rumors of a dark spirit(Voldemort) in the Albanian forests, Dumbledore has an idea, to draw out the dark lord in his weakened state, to give him a more meaningful farewell. As well as to offer the magical community a more satisfying end to the dark days. The reasoning hear could be that Dumbledores' "For the greater good" ideas may still be brewing in the cauldron. Regardless of his reputation, he is still just a man, however magical.
@UnfazedPhoenix
@UnfazedPhoenix Ай бұрын
How will the live podcast work for people who can't go?... look forward to these every week ❤
@thunderflare59
@thunderflare59 Ай бұрын
People are to hard on Dumbledore for not knowing the monster is a basilisk. We are operating with limited information meant to steer us into concluding it's a basilisk. Attention is given to all the clues that lead us in that direction and no alternatives are presented. Dumbledore is operating with all possibilities and the only information that he doesn't have that we do is that Harry can hear the monster in the walls. That was so important that Hermione defaced a library book with a note about pipes. The size of a baskilisk was probably the biggest issue with it being the monster. If Harry told Dumbledore about it when he was asked, Dumbledore would come to the same conclusion rather quickly. I think he suspected a baskilisk but recognized there was a problem in how it would get around.
@kayleighlehrman9566
@kayleighlehrman9566 Ай бұрын
Lockheart absolutely has the ego to start a dueling club anyway, chamber or not.
@srayj
@srayj Ай бұрын
Whenever it comes to Dumbledore‘s big plan, I think so much of it can be chalked up to him being such a skill the legilimens, like when he’s in Hagrid’s hut. I’m pretty sure he’s probably reading Ron and Harry’s minds, which allows him to know that they’re there and then he uses his power of deduction to figure out which corner they’re most likely in, hence why he can seemingly look at them even when they’re invisible. I would also imagine this is how he could figure out what Lucius was up to with the diary.
@simunjiii
@simunjiii Ай бұрын
Well legilimency wouldn’t help Dumbledore because that requires eye contact. But he would well be able to read the room. Therefore noticing Hagrid making tea and serving cake. Many even hearing voices inside the hut. He could then deduce that it is probably Harry and Ron who are there and that they are using the cloak to hide.
@Mallymile
@Mallymile Ай бұрын
Why would Dumbledore have to have donated the phoenix feather for the wands before The Duel? I don’t understand that part
@ulig91
@ulig91 Ай бұрын
Ron’s wand wouldn’t be broken without Dobby and Lockhart’s Obliviate would have been “successful”. So Harry couldn’t have opposed Voldemort. Dobby’s highly relevant to Chamber of Secrets
@nightfox6738
@nightfox6738 Ай бұрын
Dobby was not irrelevant to chamber of secrets. First, you mentioned Aragog. They'd never have gotten out of that without the car but there's something much earlier. If Dobby hadn't sealed the barrier they wouldn't have stolen the car, and Ron never wou'd have broken his wand. When they go down to the chamber of secrets, Lockhart would have stolen Ron's fully functional wand and erased both Harry and Ron's memories resulting in Ginny's death Voldemort's full return to power.
@kalebzerger301
@kalebzerger301 29 күн бұрын
I really hope you guys do Pacific Northwest tour maybe for like book 5 or something
@timothymacnamara5641
@timothymacnamara5641 Ай бұрын
did dobby mess with the floo powder travel? harry ends up with the malfoys right after and they incriminate themselves in that shop at that time... coincidence?
@belzebuthdesign
@belzebuthdesign Ай бұрын
Now... You HAVE to make a video speculating every real authors of the occomplishments in Lockharts books!
@keeferbigmick7943
@keeferbigmick7943 Ай бұрын
The sword appeared to dumbledore when he put on the ring so he could cut his hand off!
@richardprice2398
@richardprice2398 Ай бұрын
They are the OG Dumbledore's Army lol
@samanthagirly3350
@samanthagirly3350 12 күн бұрын
House elves would have made really good lawyers lol
@darushkii
@darushkii Ай бұрын
That thumbnail though 🔥🔥🔥
@jordanwoods4987
@jordanwoods4987 Ай бұрын
Hay j and Ben absolutely love Harry Potter, and I love your deep dives and theories on scb, and this is the most in-depth dive into the books I have found anywhere loveing every episode. I have a question which is what if anything would happen to the story if dudley also was accepted to hogwarts as we know there is magical opportunity that runs in the family and it could have passed to dudley. Keep up the amazing work From your English fan.
@wrdreads4742
@wrdreads4742 Ай бұрын
Without Dobby and the car and detention from crashing the car into the tree, Ron doesn't clean Tom's trophy....... Unless he gets detention for attempting Eat Slugs on Malfoy....which doesn't happen naturally. But if Ron doesn't recognize Tom's name....and the 50 years ago connection, and then that conversation with Hagrid....I don't know if they are at Hagrid's Hut when Hagrid gets arrested.... They never get told to follow the spiders. Dumbledore never asks for loyalty.... I guess that's prompted from the Diary memory, so maybe they still end up there. I think Harry would have less trust in Tom Riddle without Ron knowing the name from the trophy for "special services to the school." ....Definitely more in depth thought needed, but you guys really missed that big point of Ron not cleaning Tom's trophy. Love that Colin ends up not getting petrified!
@bhavens9149
@bhavens9149 Ай бұрын
Wonder if it could have played out with Dobby at the Weasley's because possibly Arthur gets how to re-phrase questions to get info from Dobby? the broken wand might have occurred from some "stupid" stunt that a youngster might make at school, at a more appropriate time later in the story. it makes a different story, but could still work.
@roverthoblanco9675
@roverthoblanco9675 Ай бұрын
y'all should auction off your annotated books at the end of each one
@Myself23512
@Myself23512 Ай бұрын
Dobby is not irrelevant to chamber of secrets. He’s an antagonist. A well meaning antagonist, but an antagonist nonetheless. He brings conflict to the first part of the book, before the monster starts attacking.
@user-lh1gl3ff3x
@user-lh1gl3ff3x Ай бұрын
Rons wand wouldn’t have been broken. Lockharts spell wouldn’t have backfired. Also, Rons detention had him polishing the trophy which gave the initial knowledge of TM Riddle
@Harry-Hartmann
@Harry-Hartmann Ай бұрын
A Very Good Video 👌🏻👍🏻
@ginnyjollykidd
@ginnyjollykidd Ай бұрын
Ron was actually the one who drops the troll, not Harry.