Thrustmaster eSwap S /eSwap X Pro Controllers-Wired Kings of Xbox

[@FatalArtist]

Thanks for doing this video! I've had the X for a while and one thing that's neat to do with the Fighting pack modules(disc d-pad and two extra button modules) is to approximate a Saturn 3D analog pad. Or swap the stick and pad position for an N64 layout. Not the cheapest way to go about it, but it works pretty well.

[@KnoxAgain]

Grabbed the "Amazon Exclusive" edition of the eSwap S over the weekend. Same as the standard aside for the orange led stick modules from what I can tell. Got the sucker for $40. Don't know if it was a pricing mistake or what as the price has since shot back up, but I'm really happy with it. This thing is better than any first party controller I've owned. Heck of a difference from this old Xbox One controller I've been using. Man 3rd party controllers have come a long way since the N64 days 😂 Edit: Also debating picking up the racing wheel module. 🤔

[@Adam-pk7go]

I'm pretty sure the X is intended to be a 2 finger (as in only middle fingers) design for the back buttons, and it's fairly comfortable that way.

[@admanwhitmer]

Exactly, that’s how I’ve used it for years and I’ve loved it

[@coltfrazier6563]

I use the S for Rocket League, she was on sale for 80$ and absolutely love it. Sometimes the modules can be buggy but typically an easy fix. The modules alone make it my go to for how hard RL can be on joysticks. RIP my Elite 2…

[@samgoff5289]

I would much rather have Hall effect magnetic joysticks that don't get drift rather than buying new ones every time they wear out

[@carloscoldebella9450]

The stickers of S and X are equal?

[@nsoutlawball1941]

@@samgoff5289 They've got their own problems. My 8bitdo Ultimate bluetooth controller has it's outer range slowly shrink while you play, so for Rocket League I eventually lose the ability to flip cancel forward which kills my half flip, then it progresses flip cancels downward as well. It doesn't take more than a match for this to start so re calibrating is not a real solution as you'd need to do so mid game. Software solutions such as shrinking the outer ring doesn't fix it either, it eventually still gets there AND it makes your left right axis sensitivity more than your Y axis which just throws everything off.

[@coltfrazier6563]

@@samgoff5289 me too brethren

[@guybrushthreepwood8174]

@@samgoff5289 yeah but the thing is those controllers, of which there are very few, seem to have a host of other weaknesses so its really a trade off. and i'm pretty sure the console makers use the controllers as a way to make profit on hardware and offset their losses on consoles. its pretty scammy because they know damn well those modules wear out with heavy use pretty quickly

[@andrewverdino769]

I have been using the eswap x pro for awhile now. Got rid of the elite 2, razer wolverines, etc. eswap x customization and the ability to get new thumb sticks every few months is the game changer. I play on pc so wired is no problem. The travel on the triggers is relatively short. I play a lot of racing games so look for an accessory pack that has long triggers like they are extended so that you can use your middle finger on the trigger as I do. The rear buttons take some getting use to and I only use my ring finger on them. The primary ones are the one you mentioned that has a molded scoop to them. The smaller flatter ones are harder to get to. Thank you for the video!

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

My pleasure and thank you for sharing your experience

[@alanuriel786]

@@GamerHeavenOfficial does KOntrol freeks fit on this controllers? ☹️☹️

[@Septentrional33]

​@@alanuriel786 yes

[@AG3NT_W1CK3D]

@@GamerHeavenOfficialwhat would the values be for a linear feel?

[@Perfumery_by_Sabin]

I play a lot of racing games and I agree the triggers are too short for accurate braking. I keep locking up my tires with ABS off. My gas button (RT) just stops working in the middle of rocket league matches. My right analog stick wobbles from low dead zone while my left one is fine so I have to remove my second thumb stick of raise controller dead zone. The whole reason I bought this controller was to have accurate thumbsticks at low deadzone (0.05-0.07)

[@strwberryvexmilk]

What a delight to wake up to, killer video brother.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

That makes me glad to hear, and thank you.

[@kiterJ]

I agree, I love watching these 🙌👌

[@BA3YDADDY]

The eSwap S Pro is the best FPS/TPS controller you can use PERIOD! The thumb-sticks are unbelievable good 💯

[@gavinstephenson8509]

Which you have to replace every couple of months 😮

[@chrysio7]

​@@gavinstephenson8509what? better to replace the sticks than the whole controller lmao

[@ericstowe8285]

Do the removable sticks and Dpad feel loose at all while placed in the controller? Even a little but would kill me. What about over time, do they loosen? Does the controller have some weight to it? Like good weight were it feels good? Thinking about getting one......

[@ethanmartin2565]

The eswap x pro is King ...

[@stevenspencer5979]

@@gavinstephenson8509yeah I agree tried the s sticks and they went fast but the ones made for the x last a lot longer

[@xtrasweet8890]

really THICK with commentary on this one, cheers!

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Plump and juicy

[@maxburmab7962]

That's important to note that ps version isn't actually the same. It doesn't allow you to adjust your triggers, it has only two buttons near the 3,5 jack, the triggers are of different shape, side panels are rubberized and most importantly there are standard sticks, not the nxg ones. I actually bought ps version and blue led custom kit with plastic panels and higher nxg sticks, so there are no problems for me because it was still cheaper than buying x version, but it really is an important information for anyone who wants to buy eswap pro. I love the rear buttons design though, it's perfect for me.

[@sedation-wl5ux]

please review the x2 as well

[@GGundamBlue]

I have the X got the crystal blue kit looks good but got stick drift bad after a couple weeks unfortunately

[@robsabey5190]

AK40 Kevin is our controller captain, I salute you sir

[@arengee6033]

No negative energy claimed

[@MNPhantom]

Did I hear a swords and sandals taunt at 0:14? LMAO

[@quotascript]

Goated game

[@yercules]

The ps4 eswap version is also polling rate locked to max 500 Hz, for those wondering. Still waiting for a 1000 Hz asymmetrical controller...

[@austingreen617]

I loved the eswap x for the first year I had it. I sold it once the triggers started acting up.

[@Ihnst7]

Got one for 60 dollars on sale in my country, this is the only video that's making me pull the trigger on it. I just hope I get some modular sticks later on, as they aren't that readily available in India.

[@PatVach]

I like how you use PS5 footage of COD on a Xbox controller review!!! i don't have an Xbox but this was interesting to watch!! thank you

[@Septentrional33]

just got a eswap pro and i can tell you guys its very smooth sticks the wolverines are more flick aim and i managed to get a linear aim on these trustmasters controllers its actually a game changer because it works in all games and on console

[@AG3NT_W1CK3D]

I’m having trouble finding a linear feel for the sticks. What sensitivity curve do you have on your program?

[@Septentrional33]

@@AG3NT_W1CK3D 67% slow 15 %medium 19% fast Or you could go 100% slow for absolute linear

[@SoloKicks]

@@Septentrional33so 67 small 15 medium 19 large movement correct

[@Septentrional33]

​@@SoloKicksyes if yo reverse it you can make a linear game become exponetial/ classic

[@angelopilo4227]

so wolverine v2 chroma or thrustmaster eswap x pro?

[@jamesparsh1669]

bruh was that the ace of spades i saw in your inro ? niiiiice

[@Medsas]

wish it has replaceable bumper buttons, those usually fail for me quick...

[@dricksdricksonly169]

Where are the hall effect modules?

[@GHOSTRDER-fu4kq]

hey hope you still look at comments. i recently got the thrustmaster eswap x pro controller. it was working out of box, downloaded software for it and did firmware update. the controller turned off and when it was done. it told me to unplug then plug in. now it wont register on as a device input. do u know any fixes. thanks for your time

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Damn brother I’ve never heard of that issue. If you’re still in warranty I would apply for a swap out

[@GHOSTRDER-fu4kq]

@@GamerHeavenOfficial got a reply from thrustmaster. and got it going. linked a firmware changed usb and updated driver. works well now

[@boostracingwrc]

Hoping we'll get to see your take on the new eSwap X2 Pro coming mid Jan 24.

[@th3ch3m1st]

Damn, I love your reviews bro!

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Thank you PKGraff, I'm glad.

[@jadedsoldier3561]

Great reviews as always. Anytime any new controllers or other gear are coming out, you’re the go to guy! Would you be willing to do a review on a Higround keyboard and compare it to ones you think may be better options?

[@Mr.master117]

hey why is the eswap x only 5 bucks more than the s on Amazon

[@bohmfalk]

Looking for as close to the Elite feel as possible. I think the buttons on these controllers are going to be a game-breaker. Thanks for the reviews!

[@kitsand]

Awesome review. Very detail. Hard data. Would love to hear which controller/s are your favorite for PC gaming.

[@jt4tado]

can you remap the triggers? tryna make my right shoulder buttons l3 r3 for fighting game purposes

[@Kazuhira2249]

have an eswap x pro for like a month and a half and it started to drift however i found a fix prob not good for long term obviously but its pretty darn effective, before it would drift even with 60% deadzone basically unplayable, well the fix was i just pressed the stick down and spun them some times and boom it fixed itself, it works perfectly with 0 % deadzones idk why or how that worked but hey it worked, anyway you can always just buy more sticks

[@josefstrom4865]

i bought my Eswap X in Okt. 2021 - i played every weekend since then hardcore - i bought one single stick and a stick set since then - i have a extendend Amazon warranty for 36 months so when this bad boys break its basicly free for me

[@BluePhaze24x7]

I have gone through 4 eSwap X's so far. Always end up with random stick inputs. Swapping modules did not fix it. New modules didn't fix it. Thrustmaster support didn't help. Switched to the Scuf Instinct Pro and am enjoying it so far. eSwap was the best feeling for shooters for me. But after 4 of them developed the same issue I can't stay with it.

[@TittlesFB]

Eswap x. Had to constantly tighten right trigger. A button went in 12 months. Eswap S use connction went after 6 months

[@mikluvin4633]

Does anyone know if you can use “X PRO” thumbsticks in the “S PRO” ?

[@Yurimizuno19]

Love this guys content lol

[@antii1001]

Question so will I be able to use it like a PlayStation remote? I started playing Xbox again but I’m so use to PlayStation remote so I’ve been looking around for PlayStation style Xbox remote

[@rbgame1412]

Is the xbox joystick (from the eSwap X Pro Controllers) compatible with the PS4 controller (eswap pro controller) ?

[@Vtinoco]

I had one too but for PlayStation 4. And suffer a lot from drift

[@Shinobi33]

I love my X and these bigger modular type of premium controllers in general. Though I'm always worried they can break at any time with so many moving parts

[@ethanferkett5943]

I have the eswap x pro and it's great. I got it over the s pro because it has 4 back buttons. I agree with you the back buttons are pretty bad but using just my middle fingers for the buttons are more comfortable than trying to cover all 4 buttons at once. 2 year warranty is unheard of and greatly appreciated for a pro controller. The sticks feel way better than a stock xbox controller and the buttons feel amazing. My only complaint is that thrustmaster doesn't sell replacement cables which I find very strange. The recessed port inside the controller and the track built into the cable keeps a nice secure connection and I'd rather not use a regular micro usb cable because it can wiggle inside the port and make it loose over time unlike the included controller cable. Edit: Do you know if the warranty is renewable each time you activate it? If so then how much is it?

[@arcticknighti]

...SWOORRDSS AND SANDALSSS GLADIATORRRRRR....Also, I got the S a couple of months ago and it's amazing for like FPS or competitive games, but for casual role playing games I wouldn't recommend this as it is a lil big and not the most comfortable but it's not bad at all.

[@tr3v98]

I was thinking, can't you have 3 joysticks? would the controller work? That would mean you have to buy a second controller just to have the extra joystick.

[@Voidontop69]

When u buy a joystick does it come with 2 or just one joystick

[@Russ_uk]

hey Kevin @gamer heaven great video are you going to be reviewing the eswap x2 ?

[@jodduck6809]

I got the longer replacement sticks for the eswap s and I got stickdrift within the first month.....sure its hit and miss sometimes, but....

[@chrisgregson1800]

What's the latency on these controllers on pc and can they be over clocked

[@alteredHero]

I just have one question regarding the X, can you swap the dpad and analog on the left side together? or does positioning matter for it? I ask as i'm looking for a good controller I can use for fighting games, and i'm more comfortable with the playstation layout than anything else.

[@randomcro24]

you can have 2 sticks on the left I've seen another review do it. look up shortcircuit review on it

[@thetruth7089]

I just got the x pro in and I have to tell you that you are wrong on so many ways this is the best controller i ever felt I got big hands and long fingers and the back buttons I can hit every 4 of them with ease and buttons are amazing and the software everything about this feels great even the thumb sticks i give it a 10/10

[@5641616341485]

Any idea if you can swap the right hand stick into the button spot?

[@Septentrional33]

No The a x b y is fixed

[@badmoose01]

Maybe TM calls them “ministicks” because they’re comparing them to full size flight sticks, which is their schtick.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

That makes the most sense of anything I've heard.

[@mannis8585]

Why i reminded dwight scrude?

[@ericstowe8285]

Do the removable sticks and Dpad feel loose at all while placed in the controller? Even a little but would kill me. What about over time, do they loosen? Has anyone in CHAT used one of these?

[@Septentrional33]

The x version have somewhat looser d pad wich you can swap out for another module The s version have a clickier dpad Wich you cannot swap The modules sits super hard and firm in The controller so firm that i get axious when trying to swap them

[@matthewsadowski7625]

so what are the best xbox series x controllers in your opinion? like if you had a top 3. Thanks!

[@mistermars9534]

How do the deadzones feel in older Xbox games (for example Wolfenstein) because they feel horrible with the Elite 2.

[@Septentrional33]

Yeah the elite 2 have very low sensitivity in sticks used the agressive curve and maxed it out for the same feeling as wolverine This one is somwhere in the middle

[@michaelclark2594]

Great Review! One question…When are we getting that new AimCon PS5 controller review?

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Very soon, I am already shooting it.

[@matthewbutler4650]

Is the cord usb to usb c or usbc to usbc?

[@KingDoyle1996]

I've heard these have some decent latecy issues. Can you do a test. I am looking at ether the gambit or Xswap

[@dougiedoug03]

Never had any issues with latency. Controller feels incredible but the sticks seems to go pretty quickly. They start to spike and drift pretty hard after a couple months

[@Septentrional33]

The eswap havw 4ms latency 250hz polling rate Overclocked 2ms 1000hz (capped at 500hz)

[@khrudanIlpuro]

Do u prefeer S or X for fighting game?

[@fracichi]

Is there any way to make this work on PS5 games?

[@iiiajayiii1978]

Its a shame their new gen modular sticks are out of stock, and have been for a while! They said expecting 5th of November, however it may not be restocked ever, or in the near future. According to the thrustmaster live chat support.

[@qbound7399]

Sorry I know this is a couple months late, but what do those little switchy switches do on the back of the controller? (slides left and right) I can't seem to find any info on them

[@ju1cycoop246]

Do not buy these controllers. I had 2 and my bro went thru 2 within 2 months. They will start detecting false inputs and the company has terrible customer service. THey just ask you to keep sending videos. And those switches are paddles on the S.

[@mikea1785]

I tried the e swap x and I immediately sent it back, I cant give up the elite series 2

[@Phyco7]

Hey can someone tell me if its plug and play or do i need app running background ? Thanks

[@frankgibbs8378]

One question if you have the brook adapter can this controller work for ps4 and the share button on this one is it the ps4 touch pad or not and get the ps4 version or ps5 if they make it plz sir

[@XiEkfj]

It's for xboz and pc no ps sadly

[@nOObels1]

What to get now as an fps player? The S version?

[@smashwindows8722]

S not only looks better but fits small hands so unless you got big hands and like ugly cheap cosmetics, go with the s

[@nOObels1]

@@smashwindows8722 thx, went with the chroma razer and I love it.

[@lanedj801]

Any controller software should be compatible with iOS or android. Not everyone has a pc next to their console. Trying out custom layout adjustments becomes a pain running from room to room. Obviously a wired controller is difficult to plug into a phone but it does make for a butter smooth on the fly setup. 8bitdo has it down.

[@revolutionaryusa]

I really wanted to like the x. I loved the rumble, the feel of the sticks, and the larger size. However the triggers are so terrible it ruins the immersion of some games for me. And then the thumb sticks started to unscrew *while* I was playing. The first time was annoying. After it happened the fifth time, I returned it.

[@yercules]

The sticks don't have a screw at all, the thumbstick is encased in the module; you'd have to open it to remove the plastic cap from the thumbstick. That being said, the thumbsticks without a coloured ring can be rma'd, you get the better nxg sticks for free.

[@revolutionaryusa]

@@yercules the thumb sticks absolutely screw into the module. I’m pretty sure I didn’t just make that up…. Lol. And the x already comes with the nxg sticks. It was a design flaw, not a broken component.

[@yercules]

@@revolutionaryusa Yeah I was wrong, the S2 X NXG has a metal ring with thread, unlike the S2 NXG (PS4 version) which cap is entirely plastic. My bad!

[@Armadyz]

epic beard bro

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Thanks man

[@RickDrew]

Modular.... until you need to replace one. Even the manufacturer doesn't sell them anymore.

[@LauWo]

XBox green is actually (bright) forest green. Not lime green. And I would say the color of the X is Desert Gold.

[@electric3495]

Thrustmaster is a awesome concept and it should be a go to design and controller but that being said thrustmaster eswap controllers are a scam... they all have input problems, after a short period double inputs will show up on multiple buttons, its like they did that in software so it just breaks faster, bumpers will break the connection from the casing that is around the connector, and ofc last but not least sticks are getting drift and missinputs or double inputs wayyy too fast and at the end you spend more on sticks then just changing some cheaper controller every now and then.... overall complete scam, support is not existing, they are assholes about any contact and anything so yea i dont suggest buying it. All that is comming from a person using third thrustmaster controller so i know...

[@XFORCE005]

The action buttons paint wears off.

[@kerim_og_9378]

am i the only one who cant overclock it like you? if i set it to 500/1000, the averages are 3,0ms, every first input is 1,9ms, every second is 3,999ms, so about 3ms, and you can scip the first big one if you rorate your sticks BEFORE you open the xinput test, because as soon as you open it, the timer counts, if you do it properly you will get a polling rate of real 500hz (2ms average), but for me its only 3ms, because every second input is 4ms, i tested every USB port in my PC, i updated the firmware, im on intel 12th gen and windows 11, i dont know why... but anyway i cant even feel a difference now to my 1000hz dualsense, but i feel definetly a difference between a stock 125hz xbox controller with 8ms delay, they must have upgraded the PCB in the newest eswap S/X, i got mine in summer 2022, and like i said, 3ms is the max average i can get, but both of your controllers can get about 2ms averages

[@alainseyyar1858]

Can we overclock a controller on Xbox ?

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

No unfortunately, that would be cool. *you mean overclock on the console right ?

[@area609joe3]

Why didn’t Thrustmaster license a ps5 controller? I’m probably going to pick up an x for my pc.

[@ЕвгенийКоноплянка-л9ш]

Thx Brather u cool man

[@Odinarcade00]

I’m thinking abo it getting it but it sucks that you have to go for the X just for paddles…paddles should not be premium in 2023

[@SamsungGalaxy-yn1qd]

Sorry I lost you on the Kontrol Freeks. Which ones work with the eswap x? Thanks!

[@xaytana]

I think with the amount of controllers you have now, an ergonomics and features video should exist. Best shell design overall, best per platform, best rear button implementations, best extra features, etc., along with an overview of it all, like why Razer's rear button design is horrible, why buttons resting under your fingers are better, why alternative designs (like eXtremeRate's Rise packs) do or don't work, extra shoulders vs extra face vs rear buttons, etc., along with stick designs, placements of sticks and buttons relative to each other (Xbox swap layout vs PS normal layout), button sizes and shapes (domed, flat, concave if those even exist) in general, various dpad implementations (different cross, wheel, and wave designs), different bumper and trigger designs, etc. then features like trigger stops and their various implementations, and various haptic implementations, etc., and textures, materials, weights, and overall feel would be another good set of topics; even include older controllers while you're at it, for example how the Duke, Dreamcast, and N64 had offset non-shoulder triggers that're more on the rear of the controller, 6 button layouts, etc., or include oddball niche controllers like the Steam Controller and Flydigi Apex 2 for feature shoutouts and your opinions on additional features in a general sense (if they work in their original implementation, if they could work with some iteration, etc.). Rather than hours and hours of separate reviews, a more concise overview of ergonomics, features, and designs would be nice, plus this gives an opportunity to shine the spotlight on controllers that otherwise don't really get much review attention; as someone who is actually interested in eventually developing a controller, this kind of repository of information would be a treasure trove given how vast your collection is. Just a mega list of what works, what doesn't work, what could work with improvement, along with comparisons, while touching all the bases of various design aspects and features, would be amazing; plus an opinion on an ideal controller, even if certain aspects have yet to exist.

[@kennymorelandiii9406]

Not trying to be a dick but maybe check your format as that wall of text is hard to read

[@Savannah-sd]

@@kennymorelandiii9406 Not to be a dick, but maybe you're just a bit mentally deficient if you can't follow a segmented list. Each segment ends with an 'etc.' and there's really no good way to format segmented lists like this, as each one doesn't fit as a full sentence and using full stops between each segment makes it look just as messy. The typing also follows how the segmented list would be spoken anyways, so it is in fact fairly easy to follow. Again, maybe you're just mentally deficient and can't handle anything longer than a sentence. At least they understand basic punctuation whereas you seemingly don't.

[@kennymorelandiii9406]

@@Savannah-sd you're delusional if you think that post is easy to read. Seek help

[@shmelie]

my controller does not talk to my controller right i can remap anything and they cant fix it- triggers not great- sticks drift after 3 months and cost about a controller to replace from overseas also gamesir g7se 500 clock gets better speed than this controller

[@VictoriouzBIG]

id get the thrustmaster in a second if the back buttons were pedals like the elite. the elite is the greatest piece of trash ive ever used but them pedals are goated

[@marianovontrani418]

The textured grips on the S disqualify it immediately, they will just gunk up with skin flakes and sweat and become bacteria hell. And yes i clean my controllers but the textured ones are always worse in that regard.

[@Dmwntkp99]

Thrustmaster's rear & X buttons are questionable.🤣

[@quidaccidit1107]

Have your sticks lasted longer than a month. I've gone through a lot of thumbsticks for this controller and only a few of them have lasted longer than a month. I swear they're designed to fail.

[@dougiedoug03]

Sticks are super accurate but go bad quickly. I got mine for Christmas and had to get two new sticks sent back after probably 2 and a half months because the sticks just spike in different directions. Very unfortunate because the sticks are accurate but just aren’t built with quality

[@chilli2473]

So many spam bots in the comments. Why cant KZbin do something about all those spam bots?

[@tstarf]

every time you say Thrustmaster i have to say PAUSE

[@area609joe2]

Wish they made a ps5 controller.

[@Uglier.]

what’s up with the clips of pokimane all the time? Weird

[@mariustuca6221]

It has no precision at all. I play division 2 with him pvp and my aim seems weird. Apart from the fact that it has modular sticks and you can change them, it is not good for anything. Battlefront 2 feels as stupid as in the division and Battlefield I can't say anymore...