What IF | Each Hokage Fought Pain in Naruto's Position?

[@indrainspace2601]

Finally a powerscaler that knows what fatigue is. This man pain fought the entire leaf village by himself and then proceeded to nuke it literal moments before Naruto showed up and people sit there like Pain was at 100% fighting sage naruto when he clearly isn't. On top of this Naruto came into that fight with FULL INTEL OF ALL OF PAINS ABILITIES, like bruh why do people genuinely think that Pain was just fighting naruto like he was fighting any other opponent.

[@MrRedbull901]

I say the same shit all the time

[@___________0Z0X]

Yeah, if sage naruto was in Jiraya’s place then he would’ve met the same fate.

[@BESTMOAD]

No u dont

[@hyperstargaming6150]

@@___________0Z0XI hate to say it, but this is absolutely true. Honestly? Naruto might have died even sooner. I know Naruto’s Sage Mode is quite a bit more powerful in every aspect compared to Jiraiya, but Naruto is no where near as proficient as an overall ninja. Naruto was insanely lucky the circumstances he had when he fought Pain in the Hidden Leaf Wasteland. And even THEN, he barely won.

[@havocmg]

Naruto just came from training he was fatigued too. And most of the leaf ninja are fodder that pain was no diffing 😂. PAIN HIMSELF said if Jiraya knows his secret he probably would have lost and we know Naruto knew pain’s secret AND surpassed Jiraya. There was not a single frame in that ENTIRE FIGHT where pain was beating up sage mode naruto. He would only get the upper hand when sage mode wore off.

[@Madara2Uchiha5]

Tobiroma gets a X7 buff in all categories when fighting an uchiha

[@umarorick6763]

😂 frfr

[@harsem9742able]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@coin4898]

Pain isnt an uchiha tho

[@TheChosenOne0420]

Nagato isn’t an uchiha and none of his corpse puppets r either

[@colinmx.]

Damn uchiggas

[@tonyjames3541]

I always saw Pain and Obito as a partnership. A Principal and Superintendent, Pain was indeed the real leader of the Akatsuki and Obito was there to supervise just like how Principals are in charge of a school while Superintendents check to see if the school is functioning as intended, a school's goal is to produce exceptional students while the Akatsuki's goal was to collect the tailed beasts. Obito didn't really shoot up in the powerscaling department until the following arcs because he was the hot new thing.

[@TAUJH]

Big fact I agree with your statement 1000%

[@daneelderozan263]

Great viewpoint

[@zanetruesdale7263]

WOW im glad finally saw it unlike those obito fanboys

[@Williamjacob7789]

I can get behind this. 🤔

[@patrickstar3820]

It's clearly shown by narrative that Obito is in a higher league than the rest of the Akatsuki and is infact the leader. 1. The Akatsuki's main mission was to collect tailed beasts. Nagato didn't know why they're collecting them, but Obito did. 2. Itachi, Kisame and (zetsu) all worked directly under Obito, not the Akatsuki. Hence in the Itachi vs Sasuke fight. Itachi stated that "Madara" Obito was his teacher. 3. The Akatsuki around Hanzo's time and the Akatsuki we're introduced to are different. Nagato and co wanted an organization that could lead to peace. The Akatsuki we know was an organization for hire, who's main goal was to capture tailed beasts. Lastly, with the help of Edo Itachi, Naruto and bee managed to defeat Edo Nagato. Obito was going to defeat a stronger version of Naruto, bee , Gai and kakashi, until kakashi learned about the kamui's being linked. If that's not enough for you. V2 fox cloak had Pein running for dear life. KCM Naruto is so much stronger than that version. Yet KCM Naruto is child's play to Obito. Minato himself that the masked man is the one they should really worry about

[@BigHeadClan]

Man it’s nice to see someone actually taking into account the context of the fights in Naruto. Well done sir solid video

[@ThunderGodTG]

Thank you sir!

[@redajun2593]

Pain literally the worst victim of power cliffing in the whole series

[@myfredo32]

What does that mean?

[@animeworld5847]

@@myfredo32 Power cliffing is a term used when the overall power level of a show/game skyrockets over a short period of time. If the average ninja was a 10, pain was a 100. Then the war arc comes around and we see people waving 1000s getting beaten like it's nothing. A good example would be Kakashi going from passing out after using 1 Kamui to spamming it like there's no tomorrow

[@damonedrington3453]

Everything that made pain a threat (incredibly destructive jutsu at a moments notice) was adopted by countless people very shortly after his intro because the powers came radically shifted. Kakashi went from 4 chidori exhausting him, and ONE kamui putting him in the hospital- to spamming both non-stop in what is essentially the next major conflict.

[@LBK978]

Narratively speaking, that'd be Hiruzen. He's supposed to be the strongest kage during Part 1, but then we see Ohnoki and Ay

[@rckbrch]

people tend to forget that Tobirama is a Senju that itself is already a feat not to be mess with. Tobirama is one of if not the smartest Kage, dude literally created several forbidden jutsu altough some may not be effective against pain but still we can't deny how his brain works. Also, He's not like other Kage in terms of decision making, this dude doesn't care, he's straight for the kill. His water style are one of the best in Naruto verse. Anyway, new here great video! New sub here

[@ThunderGodTG]

Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for subbing!

[@TheBillhs]

you made some good points,imagine how funny it would be narratively if pain lost to hiruzen or danzo

[@Skickricky147]

Context using Jariaya vs Pain. Nagato was taught by Jariaya and knew the three Sanin. Having info on your enemy is a huge advantage. Jaraiya had no idea what he was up against and learned while fighting

[@ThunderGodTG]

This is partially true however, he has no idea about Sage Mode or any of the abilities there so it cuts both ways, with Jiraya admitting inferiority off of partial intelligence of pain using 3 paths as a basis

[@charzanboo9940]

End of the day: Pain had some info on Jiraiya but Jiraiya had none on Pain.

[@Steckdose_]

The things is, if Shikamaru is Able to bind the paths, other people from the Village could come in to Support, even though I don't know if anyone would even be able to help out in a meaningful way considering the Pain Durability. Choza and Tsunade are like the best bet in terms of power, but they are both already chakra drained/beaten up and Guy and Lee are both not available. But even if anyone would be able to injure them, Momoshiki was able to absorb the Jutsu while being restricted by it, so the Preta Path probably could do as well, which would mean it could attack Shikamaru and disrupt him from binding the other paths. All in all, just happy Tobirama got a pretty confident W out of this one lmao

[@777muzzful]

Something a lot of people forget about Tobirama is he's probably the most intelligent out of all of the kage.

[@albuspercivalwulfricbriand5363]

He created 99% of all the most op jutsu. Bro has to be at least the most intelligent hokage

[@texai3628]

he is definitely highly intelligent but i’d argue kakashi and minato are smarter but even if u think they aren’t shikamaru definitely is

[@donnyx1236]

something most people forget he's never truly outclassed even in ado which is stated to be 50 times weaker than in his glory days and he was still able to keep up with his brother and rivals hell we forget tobirama preformed BETTER than hashirama in the war arc

[@donnyx1236]

@@texai3628 and yet shikamaru kakashi and mint we all looking for tobiramas backbone maybe because he's older but he's such a general on the battlefield he stills the spotlight a lot in the war arc

[@fearwilder8803]

Itachi kakashi and minato are better in IQ test tobirama better battle IQ than itachi maybe kakashi depending which form and minato no

[@ShadowProject01]

Keep in mind Tsunade already had Katsuyu on the field with her chakra split to heal and attach to ALL of the fighting ninja in the village including the civilians. Also she didn’t use Byakugou probably because of Katsuyu being on the field. TL;DR: I think at full strength she would take out Naraka, Animal, and probably Asura Path before she gets smashed.

[@speeddemon9616]

Also he is saying Tsunade can't sense ???? am lost with that one.

[@MZOver]

That boy Hiruzen getting put in a pack. He finna link up with Jiraiya.

[@ThunderGodTG]

VIP pass right next his student 😭

[@MZOver]

@@ThunderGodTG 5 days or less delivery service. Tsunade as well

[@ThunderGodTG]

Amazon jealous of this delivery time

[@javonharris9295]

This comment killed me 😂😂

[@Hamzathefirst]

@@ThunderGodTGdo you think prime hirzuen could win?

[@jirenthegray2660]

There's a reason guys team was conveniently away on a mission during the pain invasion

[@___________0Z0X]

He probably would’ve opened the eighth gate.

[@XGoken]

@@___________0Z0Xhe would’ve erased all the pains with a hirudora

[@___________0Z0X]

@@XGoken almighty push. Also, prove that it does as much damage as a.Bishu bomb. Beating a Kisame that didn’t have sharkskin does not make 7th gate guy superior to pain.

[@emreyigit2004]

@@___________0Z0Xhe obliterated Kisame lol

[@___________0Z0X]

@@emreyigit2004 Kisame lived the attack and had his own sharks kill him so that he couldn’t be interrogated. Obliterate was literally the worst word you could’ve used.😂

[@musiclyanonymous6819]

Hiruzen fought 2 hokages and a sannin all at the same time, and even with that battle, the monkey king even asked why he didn't just kill him. He also trained the 3 sannin who had extremely high battle IQ. Just a thought

[@romusa10]

Then again, thats unrefined version of the edo tensei, AND power cliffing

[@hobbyhorse5848]

Editing looking clean and crisp af. My poor poor Tsunade…being a punch-kick merchant against the Rinnegan is such a bad matchup 😭. Also thank god you mentioned the paths throwing hands with Sage Naruto…I don’t know why people act like Sage Naruto is some slow bum…she could probably kill one path if they try to block but that’s it really, Jiraiya got one lucky shot and then Pain locked in. I legit think the 3 paths of Pain that fought Sage Jiraiya could take any of the 5 Kage 1v1…is that crazy? Maybe? But negating ninjutsu + shared vision is a massive advantage.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Appreciate it my man always a pleasure ✊🏻 I cannot stand the downplay on pain it’s super frustrating to see that people just haven’t looked at these fights and make grandiose claims out of context

[@CH1C4N0444]

Not crazy, I'd arguably kinda argue any of those Paths could win 1v1 tbh

[@Numba14]

The fact that you guys are making dumb statements like these are insane do yous watch Naruto at all ? These statements are literally dumb both of you guys are delusional

[@IanT372]

Tobirama and Hashirama are probably the only two who find Nagato and stop the fight entirely. Tobirama is probably the only one who stops the leaf from being destroyed wholesale. People keep sleeping on the fact that Tobirama can sense and locate chakra COUNTRIES away.

[@colinmx.]

Minato too

[@Imontay]

Minato quickly solos. Don’t forget he hit obito one time and simultaneously severed his connection to the nine tails and placed a marker on his body. What’s stopping him from sealing the connection from the paths bodies to nagatos?

[@Ignasimp]

Agree, people sometimes don't realize how versatile and intelligente minato is, and think he can only do flying ryjin and rasengan. I'm quite sure his rasengan is much stronger than Naruto's at this point in the story.

[@simontrudeau-rocheleau4453]

Minato literally blitzes pain low diff, my mans gonna be teleporting around sealing and severing links to all the paths of pain like it's nothing

[@Delimon007]

Honestly it would be a speed blitz for the most part. Just about no one in the Naruto verse can deal with him. That's also why they didn't give Naruto his ability because if they did, Naruto would be broken af. He's already practically a god.

[@Imontay]

@@Delimon007 so they gave it to Naruto’s son instead 😂 Minato deserves more credit

[@ramalingamnitin1]

minato can teleport anything his chakra touches, in theory if he makes contact with one of the paths, he should be able to 1. Teleport the bodies out of range of nagatos control range 2. Reverse summon nagato to the battle field because his chakra is directly touching the paths. 3. or actually teleport to where the real nagato is because again his chakra is touching nagatos. every path of pain is too slow to hit minato and he can blitz every path. sicne all bodies are connected by nagatos chakra, marking one of them would put minato under acess to any body ?

[@jamesdahughes3955]

This dragon ball background battle /menu music is literally perfect for this type of vid

[@ThunderGodTG]

I really like the upbeat vibe stuff matches the energy a lot more with the channel. Glad you enjoy ✊🏻

[@zainy_inc154]

Yeah i can see tobirama's intelligence and vigilance carrying him in the fight

[@Croationman]

Bro he blew his own back out with that “whhhhhhhhhhhhat’s goin’ on guys” intro

[@ThunderGodTG]

INSANITY

[@shawnlynch7595]

Another strategy for the Second and Fourth is to take out the Animal Path and then teleport the other Paths to separate location so they can't help each other.

[@joshualymon3243]

I would argue that if minatos rasengan is not strong enough he can put more chakra through it making it a odama rasengan which should do the trick

[@hyperstargaming6150]

Minato’s a beast, but he does not have THAT much chakra. Part of what makes the Giant Rasengan is the sheer amount of chakra required, and it took Jiraiya being in a synchronized Sage Mode with Ma and Pa to do it in the Hidden Rain. Naruto’s Giant Rasengan was just him blowing through his chakra cause he could. Minato is still better off trying to speed blitz instead.

[@ris3reborn263]

@@hyperstargaming6150you must not understand how much chakra flying raijin takes and he just spams it it has near unlimited chakra

[@XGoken]

@@ris3reborn263yea people don’t understand how much chakra it takes

[@XGoken]

@@ris3reborn263yea, not only did minato warp an entire tailed beast bomb by a full 9 tails, but he went through an entire scuffle with Obito, using flying thunder god multiple times, releasing obitos control over the 9 tails, and other things

[@lgzero0186]

@@XGokennot only that he also sealed half of kurama, which would mean by that point he still had as much chakra as half of kurama to be able to seal him

[@VintasticGaming]

Pain only lost due to kurama and the information the leaf had about him

[@jim-boslice]

Good vid. Can you do the hokages vs pain in Jiraiya’s position? Naruto obviously fought fatigued pain with tons of intel. In Jiraiya’s position could be even more interesting.

[@m.caeben2578]

To be fair to Tsunade, if she was coming fresh to the Pain fight, then she would be able to summon a larger portion than what she summoned in the OG Sannin battle, meaning she her summon might readily deal with the Animal Path's summons.

[@chrishart4356]

i thought this was if the hokage fought each battle pain fought. was super hyped for that

[@hiddenmarco]

That would be a fye idea

[@raymundoalvarez6214]

I don't even gotta watch the vid to know: 1. Hashirama effortlessly puts Pain in a pack 2. Tobirama puts Pain in a pack; if FTG is the argument for Minato then it could be used for Tobirama too(albeit Minato's is more advanced), but also dude created a shit ton of jutsu and was battle hardened in that he played no games when it came to fighting; he didn't try to save dudes or look for the good in them, just looked for his kill lmao I can see arguments against him, but I think at least 7/10x Tobirama wins 3. Hiruzen gets packed up 4. Minato packs him up; his FTG prowess is enough to separate the paths and blitz them 5. Tsunade gets packed up 5.5. Danzo gets packed up hastily, especially with how stupidly he uses Izanagi lol 6. Kakashi gets packed (unless he's 6 paths DMS, this Kakashi puts Pain in a pack) 7. Hokage Naruto packs up every Rinnegan user 8. Shikamaru gets packed up Fantastic vid nonetheless; very genuine and great of you to acknowledge Pain was fatigued after fighting the entire village and proceeding to blow it up. People are often disingenuous pretending he was fighting sage Naruto at full strength and that Naruto didn't have intel on his abilities and stuff lol

[@ThunderGodTG]

Thank you appreciate it!

[@MrWingzeroo]

Agreeeeed.

[@DarkWorldxo]

W, Now Scale the Elite Four😮‍💨

[@misoooAnime]

Thank god some good content to watch while on break at work !

[@ThunderGodTG]

MY GOAT!

[@mdot9835]

Honestly a FP Pain with intent to kill and no knowledge only gets beaten by Hashirama and Naruto. It’s ridiculous how we always have to nerf Pain even putting him in versus matches by the opponent having full knowledge and knowledge. Pain is an absolute beast.

[@johnnydiabetes6563]

Minato slams

[@mdot9835]

@@johnnydiabetes6563 Not hokage Minato, Only reanimations

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@@mdot9835 Tobirama puts a tandem bomb on him and he dies lol

[@wezgarcia8483]

Hokage Minato has sage mode

[@SourceOfViews]

I assume you mean Hokage Naruto? Easy. If you mean Sage mode Naruto, then not

[@lorenzotuletta7713]

It's about damn time. I've been waiting far too long for this video 😮‍💨

[@sagestrongbear]

All I’m saying if a super villain group shows up with that much drip I’m asking to join and be blessed with the drip too

[@Jochugumo]

As usual with the fire, unique video topics that are rarely seen

[@ThunderGodTG]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed!

[@daishaunholmes2298]

Haven't watch the video yet but i see you my boy 60k views tell me your amazing without telling me your amazing 😉

[@ThunderGodTG]

My Man!

[@brandonskates]

You have a pretty interesting video (that pops up after every other meme video I watch)

[@Steven-rk3ky]

Bro I asked for a Sanin hype video last stream and you come out with this hyping pain through the Sanin

[@uptopsane5902]

Pain definitely used a lot of chakra when he used that Giant Almighty Push during the invasion of Konoha.

[@OkairMcLaren]

Tsunade beats pain... Katsuyu alone negates pains abilities and idk why she isn't being brought up when tsunade's nickname is slug princess/queen. Like the pains, katsuyu has shared vision but even better. Tsunade has offensive medical ninjutsu that she can use against the pains. They cannot disrupt her chakra or do no soul pulling because she will just break out of any hold they try to do. They cannot sneak up on her thanks to katsuyu and her linked vision. Katsuyu is a sensor so she can tell where the chameleon is. None of them can block an attack from Tsunade, Katsuyu deals with the summons pretty easily as her acid 1 hit ko's all of them as they cannot harm katsuyu but she can harm them. Tsunade is relative in speed to aye not faster but she can keep up with his speed. Master combatant and taijutsu master. She does not need to hit any of the pains directly to kill them as the impact from her attacks from the aoe can kill once within the aoe. She is also a master tactician and strategist, she will figure out pain's abilities and pinpoint that one of them can revive and deal with him 1st. With katsuyu being present, she can even trap pain in her body and suffocate them, use offensive medical ninjutsu, etc.

[@timothymoore2966]

Naw she gets one shot

[@rodrigor.2847]

Chibaku tensei.

[@OkairMcLaren]

@@rodrigor.2847 Chibaku tensei can be countered.

[@rodrigor.2847]

@@OkairMcLaren not by tsunade

[@OkairMcLaren]

She most definitely can punch the core apart to dissipate it. Tsunade punches scale above chibaku tensei. She also has Katsuyu's acid which is sage energy and we all know how broken anything sage like is. So it might just even evaporate the core into nothingness.

[@sageofthickcalves]

TG doesn’t miss 🔥

[@iPokemonAi]

😭 Blud spent 7 minutes taking about Tsunade vs Pain as if anyone thought she stood a chance

[@ThunderGodTG]

The comments on the vid say otherwise, dudes actually think she has a chance

[@iPokemonAi]

@@ThunderGodTG 😭 That’s crazy man, I could not with a straight face say she comes close to winning

[@Delimon007]

There are comments on the vid with quite a few upvotes thinking that the lady who was already in the village and already got negged would stand a chance against him 😂😂😂😂😂 If fighting seriously pain is on a similar level to fighting madara, all the 5 kages got negged hard af by madara. As a rinneagan user, pain has the same abilities as madara to include dropping a god damn meteor on their head if he chose to do so 🤣

[@kehkehd646]

@@Delimon007she was healing the whole time didn’t didn’t even fight bro fr

[@redblue4127]

​@@iPokemonAiThat's because you don't know anything about the character lol. She's more than some nice tits big dog. The only reason she didn't go one on one is because by the time she even knew what was going on, everyone was dying. It's better to immediately damage control that situation while other powerful ninja like Kakashi and other jonin gang up on him instead of saying "fuck my village's lives, I need to get my points for the online vs videos in a couple of years" lmao

[@jeremygeorgia4943]

Since Shikamaru was the last one you addressed, I'll offer a long shot argument. First of all, if we are putting the Hokage in Naruto's place, then they should only have to deal with what Naruto had to deal with, and we should assume that Leaf events happened pretty much in the same way, leading up to the designated Hokage's entrance. Aside from Tsunade, I suspect that none of our candidates will choose a direct confrontation as their first move. They will likely gather as much intelligence as they can, before taking any of the paths on. Shikamaru would probably have some intelligence advantages that Naruto didn't initially have. Here's my longshot scenario: Shikamaru finds out the abilities of Most of the paths. He then works out a way to strategically posses various paths, to take out the other paths. He enters the battle late, and figures out some master strategy to take them all out. He also figures out the purposes of the rods, and finds Nagato, the same way Naruto does, and dispatches him. Pain is gone, but so is the Leaf - forever. On the other hand, he might not be prepared for Konan & might be stopped there... Or maybe, Nagato could attempt to talk to Shikamaru, and they could find some common ground. Shika actually winning is a pretty big longshot. He would need MC armor. I think this is how the best battles will go, for the rest of the candidates, because they don't possess Naruto's strongest genjutsu: Talk No Jutsu. I think most have a good chance, except for Tsunade. Aside from her summoning ability, she is basically a close range melee character. The most important aspect, though, is how she was trained. Naruto's story is all about being the hyperactive knuckleheaded ninja. In other words, he has trouble focusing and paying attention, and he was very lacking in having someone that would take the time to invest in him. Even to the end, I think he had even more potential than was ever shown, because a lot of his journey was self taught. Imagine, if Naruto had been raised by the Uchia clan, and had the support of prodigies of prodigies? He could have entered the academy with all the basics down, like his son had. On the other hand, all the other predecessor Hokage have had the benefit of wartime experience and they came from a generation, that trained in more than just a handful of techniques. Pain was trained by Jiraiya, and though he had war experience of his own, it wasn't as a soldier. Perhaps, it was more like militia experience. So, Naruto had a lot of power, but his experience was low, compared to Pain's. That's why he still struggled - even with a big advantage. I think the predecessor Hokage would have an easier time, because of their experience and better use of strategy. Hiruzen might have trouble, simply because (as previously shown) he would be the most likely to directly confront Pain first thing, with the understanding that he's buying time for the village. He'd probably be able to counter most of the stuff, but I don't see him escaping becoming a rock ball. (Unless he had some powerful ranged attacks, like Itachi did)

[@SlayingSin]

18:48 Actually, Danzo having Izanagi would give him the best chance out of the first 3 on this list of winning against Pain. You gotta remember that Izanagi isn't just a "respawn", while active you can quite literally just bend reality to your will. If Danzo wanted too, he could have made Sasuke trade places with him and kinda one shot Sasuke. When we hear the story of how Izanagi works in those filler episodes, we learn that the Uchiha were abusing this reality warping genjutsu so much that Izunami had to be created to stop Izanagi spammers, and punish them. Sacrificing a Sharingan to get like 1 minute of reality warping powers per sacrificed Sharingan is really OP.

[@eduardom.8766]

Here’s the issue-Flying Raikage IS lightened Raikage because Ohnoki can only fly because he makes his own body lighter. Soo it’s the same thing.

[@clueXX.]

Fye, cool to see your character and humor come out in these uploads more. 🔥

[@ThunderGodTG]

My man 🔥 I’m a weird ass dude but I gotta share that weirdness 😅🫡

[@clueXX.]

@@ThunderGodTG stand on yo business 😤

[@ThunderGodTG]

WE ALWAYS DO

[@AtenSol12]

@@ThunderGodTGwe love to see it 💛

[@nosauceorbrothchild8772]

The Hiruzen downplay is crazy.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Which part and how would you suggest he win this super open to hearing this 🙏🏻

[@thestar6197]

Old Hiruzen would get bodied

[@Nathan24634]

​@@ThunderGodTGonly way I see hiruzen winning is if we take a prime hiruzen in which case I think you can make some solid arguments for one at least if you think it gets this far is that even an older hiruzen has scaling to the full 9 tails let alone a prime hiruzen who if he realizes what's going on should be able to take down the path that's reviving the other pains and knock the number down to three use the shadow clones and use reaper death seal and beat case he should be able to just blatantly overpower the pains and rush them down with his monkey summon/companion

[@cj4ev3r26]

I don’t think you can say Madara “let himself” get blitzed against Tsunade mainly because he never “let himself” get hit by someone like Raikage or the other kage he would always try to block, parry or dodge, if he genuinely let himself get hit or held back he made it clear and said so like when Ohnoki landed a hit. No such thing is said when Tsunade hit him and he genuinely looked surprised

[@cj4ev3r26]

Also another thing. Even if Tsunade isn’t faster than Raikage she is still very much relative and that should be enough to blitz a majority of the paths especially since Raikage is twice stated to be equal to minato in speed and is able to compete with kcm naruto who would be much stronger than pain arc sm naruto. And since Tsunade can take on 5 Madara Susanoo clones I see no reason she can’t take 6 paths of pain that would be much weaker especially since she can one shot the majority of them while taking minimum damage herself. Preta path easily gets overpowered so his chakra sealing isn’t much of a threat here imo. The dogs also aren’t a threat either not only can they not kill Tsunade but in base she can compete with Manda and one shot him who is stronger than any of the toad summons so she could honestly throw the dogs off the battlefield for a little while. Honestly every path is getting one tapped with exception of the deva and by that point it’s only a matter of time before he goes down

[@ThunderGodTG]

So what I’m referring to is the example most people cite with Tsunade punching through Madara’s wood clone which doesn’t work for 40 different reasons

[@ThunderGodTG]

Tsunade can only be argued to be between V1 - V2 we know she’s objectively slower - that along with Sannin comparison means she shouldn’t be in the same range. Again the Madara example doesn’t work because we know he was playing with the Kages, even with his Wood Clones. She doesn’t even beat them as they’re all still alive when Onoki uses particle style, so there’s really nothing to go off of.

[@Footballazz]

This guy is beyond delusional lol…he really thinks Tsunade stands a chance against Pain 😭😭😭😭

[@cj4ev3r26]

@@Footballazz she has the AP to one shot every path, the speed to keep up and even get to pain during the 5 second Cool down and already tanked pains shinra tensei when he destroyed the village which is his second strongest attack. She definitely stands a chance

[@bofi1280]

31:33 Where do these video games clips come from. they're fire!!

[@crazy20091234]

People sleep on Hiruzen man. The databooks called this man a god of shinobi which is such a rare title given to only a few people.

[@Sensei.shonuff]

Ohhh what a concept very interesting

[@Shadow-Kun_1]

Your a goat for the music choice

[@ThunderGodTG]

My man ✊🏻

[@Shadow-Kun_1]

❤​@@ThunderGodTG

[@abdosoliman]

Pain is terrifying, the man lost the body of his summoning path and had to replace him with a child corpse, that was one nerf he got before the fight. Then he faught and killed everybody that matters in the leaf village only to level the entire village afterwards. That was the point when he started his fight with sage mode Naruto and he won that fight. Then fought the Kyuubi and won only for Naruto to get a buff from his dead super OP dad and go back with fully charged sage mode. Pain is totally broken it's not even close. The people who can defeat pain are literal Shinobi gods like Minato, Might Guy, Obito, Hashirama, and Madara no other Shinobi even stands a chance.

[@historyking9984]

Wait so is Pain attempting to catch the Hokage alive like Naruto or is he trying to kill them. Because that makes a bit of a difference?

[@Delimon007]

It would make a huge difference. As you can see from his normal fighting style, he doesn't give af about collateral damage. So if he's fighting to keep them alive like he did with Naruto that would be a massive change in his fighting style. if he's fighting just to neg them then yea, just about none of the kages can deal with him.

[@Nathan24634]

​@@Delimon007if he's going for the kill only Minato and hashirama can deal with him if he's not going for the kill you might be able to argue tobirama can win as well

[@thejackpowers]

I'd love to see a video of what if every kage level character fought each other.

[@Tempest1018]

BIG 20KKKKK🎉

[@BigSirSplash]

Thundergod how would YOU do vs Pain?

[@ThunderGodTG]

“I’d win”

[@rapidcougar3785]

yo you should do what if kabuto was controlling itachi when he got hit by izanagi and it affected kabuto instead And can you do what if naruto had every possible amp like 100 healing, butterfly pill, 8 gates, sage of 6 paths, etc etc

[@lionsama2127]

i feel like whenever minato is mentioned in a 1 v1 scenario everyone always forgets how flying raijin can be countered. pain is essentially the perfect counter minato for one has limited kunai and 2 can't pain just almighty push or universal pull the kunai away or to him. he can control the pace of the battle by litterally controling where minato can land. or he could just send the chameleon to one of the kunai and its gg from there.

[@davonbenson4361]

Minato’s space time jutsu ca counter larger attacks.

[@davonbenson4361]

Pain would get clapped.

[@jcw034]

Minato can put seals anywhere on anything. He can put them on them and he has shadow clones, sage mode etc. If he wanted he can make a clone and they would blitz

[@manny9191]

If pain pulls him in minato can throw a kunai, and almighty push has a 5 second minimum delay, 5 seconds is plemty of time to get hit

[@momotheone9700]

How is pain gonna counter flying raijin? Even if pain pushes away the kunais, does not stop minato from teleporting the kunai and throwing more kunais, pain has a whole 5 second window after doing shinra tensei once, and thats with other abilities also, kamui is a way harder counter to ftg than pains abilities, minato was still able to tag and mark him, i dont understand this argument

[@kodoqbesar4301]

Before watching, here's my take on this Hashirama: 💀 Tobirama: This will be difficult because Preta Path can absorb any ninjutsu but I think Tobirama can win high difficulty with Flying Raijin slashes. Chibaku Tensei will not work because Tobirama can just teleport away Hiruzen: Old Hiruzen should be around Orochimaru level, the same Orochimaru that got no diffed by a 13 years old Itachi. Pain low diffs Minato: IMO base Minato will take this one probably low to medium difficulty. As I said, ninjutsu won't work so he has to rely on Flying Raijin and sealing jutsus. He can use Senjutsu but I don't think it's as good as Naruto's Senjutsu when he fought Pain because Minato claimed that Senjutsu is not his best aspect Tsunade: Come on Kakashi: Kakashi low diffs. I think it's stated somewhere that Hokage Kakashi is superior to War Arc no DMS Kakashi Naruto: 💀

[@Th1sIsMyLegacy]

It’s written in one of the Light novels that Hokage Kakashi is even stronger than DMS Kakashi. I don’t believe it but it’s canon. Without his Sharingan draining his chakra, combined with his elite chakra control, he basically has the most chakra output in the verse outside of Naruto, Sasuke, Madara and Hashirama. So he just pulls off hilarious feats with his 1000 jutsu that shouldn’t be physically possible.

[@ThunderGodTG]

He's not above DMS only war arc. It's only stated he's stronger than when he fought Obito/Madara not Kaguya.

[@johnnydiabetes6563]

@@ThunderGodTGhe said no dms?

[@thesurvivlist5440]

@@johnnydiabetes6563 The first guy replied by saying Hokage Kakashi is even stronger than DMS Kakashi.

[@elishabarkley7625]

I just can't buy that. Kakashi couldn't even handle the tendo and asura paths much less all of them at once.

[@Nekowhite93]

You wilding!

[@oemmusic1547]

With the jet set radio theme I feel old knowing that

[@Sensei.shonuff]

0:33 i realized bad Santa could be played by jordan Peterson

[@cringewyrm]

Id love to see you do obito vs pain. Also love the smug chitoge face lol

[@Nathan24634]

I don't agree with the whole Obito and pain is very nuanced I just don't see a way for pain to do anything to Obito even at that point in time him as he had abilities at the age of 14 that allowed him to combat minato for a time and he only got stronger from there for instance when minato says you'll need more power than this to fight that guy referring to Obito it's the 14 year old Obito he's referring to if you say that Obito vs pain is nuanced ok fair enough but Akatsuki leader Obito Should win

[@Reggie2kj]

Alive Tobirama with his Senju reserves should have no problem spamming 100s on 100s of multi shadow clones…. In character he’d probably do that & figure out Pain from a distance with his intellect.

[@Darbzila]

Hundreds of Shadows Clones using FTG.

[@Reggie2kj]

@@Darbzila sounds like something out of a nightmare 😭

[@richborn6700]

Shit even 100 Tobirama clones with FTG is a wrap for most of the Akatsuki

[@thomasheaden3376]

TG we gotta collab! Or would def really like tips. I’m trying to start something like what You got going on friend. I appreciate the shout out on live homie. Feel free to reach out or don’t idk. But talk to ya next time bubbye 🤣 see what I did there 🤣🤣

[@marcotrinidadjr3724]

Damn look at that Jet set radio future song 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@GojoSSJ]

I wanna say that katauyu would be much bigger than gamabunta as tsunade usually only summons a fraction of her especially in base. While in the war with help she summoned a much larger version with the seal. So it would be half the war arc size which could heal the remaining alliance.

[@stanleykassim2839]

If Jiraya went on the pain fight prepared, like Naruto did, he would'e beaten pain much easier than Naruto did. Everybody underestimates Jiraya. Even when Itachi and Kisame were together, Itachi said that one of them will die if they fought against Jiraya - that is how strong Jiraya is. If Kisame and Itachi faought Jiraya TOGETHER, one of them (Kisame or Itachi) will die - not Jiraya. This is also why Jigen uses Jiraya's cells to make Kashin Koji - bbecause Jiraya is OP AF.

[@Williamjacob7789]

I really don’t believe this is true. Naruto had a perfected version of Jiraiya’s sage mode. And a more powerful version of his Rasengan. Also I’m pretty sure Kisame says this and Itachi just agrees which doesn’t really hold much weight cause Itachi was a hidden leaf spy.

[@Ignasimp]

Naruto in his sage mode has more power than Joraya in his imperfect sage mode, but jiraya is far more experienced and far more versatile.

[@justthefacts6902]

It’s not really fair for pain if what put the hokage in Naruto’s position. He had way too much plot armor.

[@laurilehtonen5723]

Tsunade can use Chakra Scalpels and Ranshinsou to disable her opponents without killing them. Ranshinsou alone is a pain in the ass, but what are you going to do when your muscles are cut and can't move? You need healing or regen; I don't recall Pain having those. Dunno if it's enough for her to win, but would make it easier for her to deal with summons, if not the Paths. 🤷‍♂️

[@joshuacanny4858]

Pain is the strongest in the akatsuki, interms of raw power. He shits on everyone in that category, including obito . Man blew up the whole village & wasn't nowhere near full power. Fought a whole village, sage naruto 5 times, hinata , sage creatures & the 8th tails

[@CursedShinobiClown]

Bro forgot about white mask obito

[@joshuacanny4858]

@CursedShinobiClown pain was dead by then . I wasn't counting that obito

[@singerreid4624]

Do a video where you put others in jiraiya's position in the rain villiage

[@MZOver]

I think Minato has 3 acceptable tiers of Ap 1. Rasenshuriken Naruto lvl (it’s a mistranslation but if you wanna use it fine) 2. Sage Mode Naruto lvl (based on the statement that says Naruto surpassed his predecessors) 3. KCM1/2 lvl based on the numerous comparisons between the forms and Minato

[@BESTMOAD]

In the Minato novel he literally beam struggles and pushes back the nine tails with his rasengun as a younger person

[@MindlessMenace]

Nah minato has some insane feats in the novel

[@Imontay]

Minato can just sever the connection like he did with obito and nine tails. Stomps easily.

[@MrWingzeroo]

@@BESTMOADhe literally only needs to turn them into a slice of meat cause his kunai slices are lethal. He can cut through a lightning cloak raikage, the eight tails tail and was able to slice a hashirama cell amped obitos body pretty well. Those paths of pains bodies are getting cooked

[@rickystroud4419]

is that Jet Set Radio Future playing in the background?

[@semtex234]

Not to mention Pain was also nerfed due to the bodies being so far from Nagato's

[@217superninja]

Hashirama - lol Tobirama - iffy Hiruzen - gets cooked Minato - wins but the village gets nuked Tsunade - gets cooked Kakashi - I mean… he should win based on scaling but how’s he stopping the village from getting nuked Naruto - lol Shikamaru- wins , village gets nuked

[@DrawsbyDonnie]

Shikamaru and kakashi also lose

[@CausticFox26]

Ive always seen Nagato as the strongest character in naruto until Juubito. No one alive at the time is stronger than him until OBITO gets the rinn and starts the transformation. Id argue he beats Tobirama but loses to minato and hashirama.

[@WhoisVonnn]

Kakashi doesn’t have his sharingan he’s the one getting packed up

[@jmaloney917]

the Naruto/Jiraiya "who has the stronger sage mode" bit, during Naruto's training, Fukasaku did actually state that Naruto's sage mode was perfect with no "toad like" changes to his form and that he also could draw in more nature chakra than Jiraiya could. so on that i would say that Naruto hands down had the stronger form between the two

[@shisaroid]

I agree Tsunade loses to Pain, but isn’t she keeping up with lightened Raikage when she kicks Madara’s ribcage?Doesn’t that establish relativity?She would have to time her kick perfectly and move in relation to the Raikage imo

[@ThunderGodTG]

Nah we don’t know when she moves on top of the Raikage also being off panel, you could legit just say he timed it to be at a similar speed to her as opposed to them being ~ which is way more consistent as these are combo moves

[@alex.eragbai]

Did we all forget Tobirama took on 20 Akatsuki level members against the Gold and Silver Brothers all the while stalling to let his teammates get to safety

[@ThunderGodTG]

They’re actually not all akatsuki level, they’re just highly skilled which is a term that ranges from Jonin - Akatsuki so it’s prob a mix

[@gavinvick3592]

Hanzo dubbed them the Sanin bc he couldn’t kill them easily. He knew it would be dragged out and he may not have walked away unscathed. Or he gave them that title bc even though he could’ve killed them, he saw they were a cut above the rest and probably didn’t want to snuff them out before they reach their true potential

[@PovertyHour]

I am pretty biased towards Minato, but putting that aside I’m pretty sure he stomps Pain. If he’s given the same information Naruto is given he can dismantle the path that heals the others pretty fast and Minato has the reaction to not get hit by universal pull. The summons aren’t shown to be extremely fast and Minato would likely receive the same frogs help that Naruto received. The path that absorbs Justus would only be able to absorb his Rasengan but Minato can just warp behind him. The Diva path is the only one that he wouldn’t be able to one shot but Minato is definitely fast enough to attack during his 5 second cool down for almighty push.

[@Imontay]

Another thing they forget about Minato. He hit obito with a rasengan and simultaneously cut off his connection to the nine tails AND placed a marker on him. So technically speaking he would literally just cut off the connection to nagato with a sealing technique quick af.

[@PovertyHour]

@@Imontay that’s a good point too, I don’t know what technique Minato would use exactly but it’s likely he has something up his sleeve for dealing with Nagatos connection to the pains.

[@VelvetAura]

31:22 I honestly don't know why Tobirama shouldn't be able to use his own Shadow Clones for Tandem Paper Bombs. It should work in theory, right? It's probably more efficient with Shadow Clones as well, come to think of it. Unless there's something I'm missing or not considering 🤔

[@ThunderGodTG]

He needs to use the Edo Tensei itself as that’s his in character move otherwise he nukes himself which is why it's made specifically for it. Unless you argue some form of dust release and he just creates more.

[@VelvetAura]

@@ThunderGodTG Ohh I see, that's what is specifically needed for it. Interesting, I didn't know that. Figured there must have been something I missed. In my head it was a separate summoning mechanism my b 😅

[@momotheone9700]

No it would not work. Theres a reason why tobirama created a whole ass edo tensei to use the tandem paperbombs, why create that if he could just use the clones? Your tryna give tobirama an ability he does not have.

[@razzo086]

Tsunade would completely get her charkra drained even with her 100 healing technique and immediately get killed

[@stephencollins9396]

If the 4th is in Naruto’s shoes, he gets to come in with sage mode up.

[@kodoqbesar4301]

I have a question. What happened if Risotto Nero from JoJo fought Sasori (speed equalized so no blitzing, Sasori can only use the Third Kazekage puppet)? Risotto's Stand, Metallica allows him to manipulate iron, including the ones in your body. But since Sasori doesn't have blood, how effective would it be against the Iron Sand? It's iron after all. Can Risotto control it or is Sasori just too strong for Risotto to control the Iron Sand?

[@nocturne311]

I have a question. Are you okay? Why did you just comment three times in 17 minutes?

[@kodoqbesar4301]

​@@nocturne311 Just a few topic that went across my mind, and it will be too long if I make it into a single comment

[@ExoticZah]

@@nocturne311why you worried about him? He’s supporting Thunder God’s videos. This is a chill community, relax.

[@ExoticZah]

@@nocturne311if his viewers are excited to comment 3 times, then the KZbinr did an excellent job with the video.

[@KingJinzo2125]

Sasori wins due to poison hacks

[@Masterduel012]

water drill from the anniversary guide? what do you mean?

[@onix8194]

Tsunade(Bk)>=Pain>Naruto sage mode

[@NotMaxWhoDat]

Tsunade > Jiraiya, She is indefinitely stronger than Tsunade, in the war arc she split Madara’s Susanno.Also her while being impaled had split the susanno sword from Madara.Its implied that Tsunade is slightly weaker/equal to war arc Sakura.Said Sakura was stated to be on par with the Kcm 2 Naruto and Ems Saskue (pre so6p) hence these forms being over Pain.So Sakura is comfortably over pain in the war arc, which would also imply that Tsunade is just about at Sakuras level, so in conclusion Tsuande would atomize pain.

[@ThunderGodTG]

I disagree crazy with this Sakura is NOT on par with two fighters who can compete with Juubito who was above Hashirama. The databook entry you're referring to does not state so either, it just means she can keep pace in combat.

[@NotMaxWhoDat]

Which implys that she atleast has a low relativity?Its still plausible cause she was able to do pretty significant damage to a god. (Someone stronger than 10 ten tails Madara) So yea Tsunade beats pain pretty badly…

[@ThunderGodTG]

Being able to fight alongside the Base Kyuubi Cloak and Base EMS sasuke does not prove relativity to their stronger variants that fought Obito that are dawning avatars that also surpass them in stats. Sasuke and Naruto unironically save Sakura right after she unlocks the Byakugou seal before she can even react so now her being able to fight with them is not putting her = . As far as the Kaguya feat I ain't getting paid enough to go into that but, that'd more so be an AP feat as opposed to strictly speed.

[@NotMaxWhoDat]

Not once did i equate Sakura’s feat on Kaguya to speed.She simply has ap of which can damage that of Kaguya which would also mean that she can easily damage Madara and Juubito.Hashirama had even debated on if Sakura’s strength was that of Tsunade (post 100 healings) so its plausible to say Tsunade has similar ap to that of this Sakura, which would equate to her being able to one shot pain.Being able to “keep up” with Base Kyuubi Cloak and Base EMS would imply some sort of speed relatively to them (even if its pretty low) the speed that of Kyuubi cloak Naruto and EMS Saskue is MUCH higher than a Sage Mode Naruto who was just about keeping up with pain, so it is plausible to say that Tsunade has higher Ap and speed, equating to a blitz 🤷‍♀️

[@ThunderGodTG]

I would actually say Sakura is just blatantly > Tsunade so on top of the databook being inaccurate she should have higher AP - Hashirama's statement doesn't matter if he know's or not b/c Shizune doesn't dispute it. She doesn't have to waste extra chakra to keep a youthful appearance which she can funnel into her stats, so it'd be more consistent to say she's just > . Again fighting on the same battlefield as someone does not mean you are = to them in every stat, an example you only ever see her comparable to them when they do the three way deadlock after that she's insignificant. You're focusing on a low end relativity that isn't there as they're displayed as far faster, all this is coming from is your interpretation of the databook which isn't supported by the actual showings. This also doesn't work again off the Sannin being ~ to the other Sannin in base who clearly scale below pain which is another avenue that supports Sakura just being objectively > so even if you wanted to make the claims for Sakura they don't even extend to Tsunde. It's just way too wildly inconsistent, you'll notice this when you examine the only way to get Tsunade > Pain is via sakura and nothing else. Regardless tho we can just agree to disagree and keep it moving since a paragraph war is a waste of time generally speaking when we both make our positions clear.

[@Black.cloverszsz]

Pain beat Hanzo the salamander who defeated Orochimaru, Jiraya, and Tsunade simultaneously and wiped out their whole squad. Not to mention all three could've been hokage as it was offered to them.

[@jwall1646]

The versions of them Hanzo beat were still young and not yet anywhere near their prime.

[@DrawsbyDonnie]

Those were their young versions they didn’t have their best powers yet

[@curlyflow3720]

​they were regarded as S rank ninjas by then though,

[@poogoblin347]

I disagree a tiny bit with this video, Jiraiya was actually winning that fight until he was literally sneak attacked, Jiraiya is definitely stronger than sage mode naruto

[@ShouldaWoulda]

Regarding Tobirama and the tandem paper bombs. While it was desinged and intended to be used by an edo tensei, I never see anyone mention its possible use by a shadow clone.

[@ThunderGodTG]

It doesn't work b/c the tags are stored in the Edo and the Edo is used as a medium for the explosion

[@ShouldaWoulda]

@@ThunderGodTG the wiki says a live individual can sacrifice themselves using it, which I would assume would apply to a shadow clone as well. Idk if that's factual or a headcanon of whoever edited the article.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Nah that’s inaccurate the databook says the user will legit blow themselves up if they try it with Tobirama being listed as the only user. It’s was made specifically to go with the Jutsu and even Hiruzen recognizes it only with Edo Tensei.

[@ShouldaWoulda]

@@ThunderGodTG thanks for the clarification. Merry Christmas

[@ThunderGodTG]

Thanks! You too!

[@stephencollins9396]

We’re going to ignore Tsunade’s superior summon and its ability to be multiple in psych summons, ignore her madara blitz that given or not is still not something that the Raikage accomplished, her ability to change the terrain, and her higher intelligence and knowledge of how to neutralize some of his techniques. Now add in her ability to disable bodies as a medic and access to more nuanced techniques like meddling with the nerve systems even when she was rusty. Pain felt he would have lost had the toad known his secret from the get go. I see no reason the slug couldn’t do the same with that knowledge and against a nurfed pain.

[@Delimon007]

I'm not sure why this video needed to be made. Jairaya was clearly stronger than tsunade who was the ONLY one alongside oonoki who could do jack to Madara. Gaara was pretty strong too in his own right but he's not going jack to an uchiha which was shown multiple times throughout Naruto, hell dude died/almost died several times 😂 Pain has the rinneagan AND is an uzimaki. That's the ULTIMATE combination of abilities/heritage. Not a single one of those Kages could have deal with a Naruto going out of control, yet, pain did in an exhausted state. Pain would no diff every Kage in a 1 v 1 😂 Even out of ALL the kage's in history, the only 3 that would stand a chance are the 1st/2nd/4th hokage. All the other kage's from the other villages were simply too weak in comparison. The first is on par with madara who is obviously stronger than pain. The second is similar in terms of power but in his own way (just look at what it took to kill him lol! Imagine you got dozens of kage level opponents chasing after you in order to take you down), and the 4th is, again, comparable to the 2nd and is one of the only ninjas in history to get a "flee on sight" order. The third is debatable because we don't really know how strong he was in his prime but these 3 are the only ones who would really even stand a chance in dealing with pain (this is also assuming no info on pain btw).

[@Leddderz2TheEdditerz]

It would be interesting if the repaer death seal was able to "seal away" the powers of the path he's able to catch with it.

[@llamayama8367]

What was that moble naruto fighting game at 27:37 ? It looks fun ngl

[@GreyfauxxGaming]

Im pretty sure a completely fresh 3rd Hokage could 5 shadow clone Death Reaper. He would just have to do it out of the gate. xD

[@christophercharlesrealist6481]

You missed the key point of jirayas information about pain, that would have changed the outcome if all kage knew about pains secret

[@sebbybastian]

If ninjutsu cancels out with Pain I feel like Hiruzen would have the worst luck out of everyone

[@mookiestewart3776]

A big thing people don’t realize about Minato is how he sealed the fox , after a battle with obito and taking a hole through his chest and the fact that you need to have chakra equivalent to whatever you’re sealing in order for the reaper death seal to work. This would imply that an exhausted Minato had chakra that scaled to the kyuubi , he wasn’t some no chakra “skill” shinobi or anything like that. The dude was an absolute monster. He was also considered a genius that had the highest battle iq in the series. And you also don’t become the hokage at 23-24 years old by only knowing just flying rajin and Rasengan. He likely knew FAR more Justus along with essentially being the greatest sealing jutsu master we ever saw in the series. The dude was popping off better sealing Justus than the uzumakis at 14 years old. I’m sorry but all that combined with his already haxed abilities lead me to think he would wash pain no matter what state pain was in. I don’t see a way that pain wins that fight. In a one on one blood listed confrontation there’s probably only a handful of people that could beat Minato and pain isn’t one of them.