Itachi vs Pain | Swagkage vs Noodles

Swag was debating for Pain & Noodles was debating for Itachi. This is the official rematch or round 2 of their debate from 2 years ago.
‪@Swagkage‬ ‪@noodlesyoutuber‬ Subscribe to them both.
Intro: 0:00
The Debate: 2:23

[@NeoExpo]

Bruh this shit longer than Oppenheimer 😭💀

[@fondr3391]

“Everyone’s just talking. It’s just four hours, 254 minutes, it’s all exposition, just talking, just talking, talking. It’s all exposition, nothing happens.”

[@ellelawliet007]

so youre the new guy huh?

[@gentletal5101]

Longer than the Color Purple

[@crimsonhunter7598]

and longer than endgame

[@4thStarr]

Longer then me in bed

[@RealClipStdy]

Noodles using his raw durability to ignore every valid point

[@kelvinallen9327]

😂🤣

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

🤣🤣

[@Chris-id3vt]

😭😭😭

[@Kenny-qk9nr]

😂

[@kelvinallen9327]

@@Kenny-qk9nr I like noodles. But that comment is funny 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@ThunderGodTG]

Six the winner of this debate he caught the bag lmao

[@logicalityztm6759]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@eddielopez6731]

Facts bro he on that KZbin energy.

[@kgiivmichaelprice5995]

Is it really a win listening to a literal clown for about 4 hours 😂

[@___________0Z0X]

@@kgiivmichaelprice5995 when you get the money for it, yes.

[@___________0Z0X]

Stream party watching this when?

[@dylanb1812]

Noodles is the king of semantics. Debating skills very weak but his ability to change the argument and deflect from his previous statements is top tier

[@joegattog6695]

That’s basically debate skills in a nutshell

[@TheBillhs]

debating itself is nothing impressive either

[@e.n.v.y]

​@@TheBillhsum, no? In general, good debating skill represent many good qualities of a person. But depending on the debate topic, you start to wonder if all that "yapping" is worth the time and effort

[@TheBillhs]

@@e.n.v.y all debating represents is having a small tool,it's about getting one over another person to feel good about yourself and not to find the objective truth

[@e.n.v.y]

@@TheBillhs you haven't been in enough healthy debate to not recognize the goods that can come from having one. Besides, discovering truths isn't the sole purpose of a debate (like there's more to this shi)

[@Messi-er2df]

4 hours of naruto debate is crazy

[@weezi2741]

This is peak humanity

[@ESTproducing]

4 hours of debating is light work honestly, some dudes debate for 6 or even 8

[@panthekirb7561]

Shows their passion Wholesome

[@elmochomo8218]

@@panthekirb7561shows their lack of a life

[@panthekirb7561]

@@elmochomo8218 You do know that they make some decent cash from this right?

[@kylevorster5336]

It's actually painful listening to Noodles debating.

[@monarhosrs1378]

Yeah it just sounds like he's not being honest in this debate, it's like he's arguing for the sake of arguing rather then trying to prove anything. I really hope he doesn't believe in the things he says in this debate, if he does that is pretty sad.

[@AMAZIAH]

It's called liking swag more than the truth. Swag throughout assumptions and pretended like he was right. All noodles did was go through the debate. In the damn chapter were shown what Naruto was surprised by. The fact the preta path was alive.

[@monarhosrs1378]

@@AMAZIAH "It's called liking swag more than the truth" Brother we just don't like how Noodle debates and sounds, he's awful, there is all to it.

[@tjxshippuden467]

Let’s do the community a favor and never let noodles debate ever again

[@raccoonmaster3681]

for real bro it was so annoying to see noodles try and rat his way out of a corner then return to the almighty shield of "BUT THATS AN ASSUMPTION"

[@kaeros4184]

PLEASE

[@Awoken0]

Noodles' first arc: Kakuzu is stronger than Pain Noodles' second arc: Konohamaru is faster than Pain

[@catodela7297]

and he’s not wrong

[@daishimauo7894]

@@catodela7297 delulu

[@forthe3136]

This mf noodles spittin

[@Hip-Gnosis1134]

LET THE NOODLES COOK!

[@theredscum4202]

​@@daishimauo7894Did Konohamaru not hit Pain?

[@nypurfrosty852]

The fact that swag had to ask noodles if konohamaru would jump over the rasenshuriken is mind blowing😭 Edit: that recoil argument over the rasenshuriken has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard from noodles

[@jonathangrover3176]

I can't decide if it's that one or him saying of a quote on panel "well we don't know if Kishimoto wrote those words specifically so they don't count as a counter to an argument I'm also making with words on panel"

[@Interiorcrocodilealigator10838]

In regards to the speed of rasenshuriken. Could just say along side it’s blast radius and proximity between Naruto and pain would just be sufficient enough in the event that the rasenshuriken is massively slower than Naruto.

[@theredriver2070]

Bro i just got to it about the recoil argument. My brain wants to die

[@eyedontlose8836]

​@theredriver2070 ya this noodle guy is kinda slow 😂 took 30 min for him to understand that getting hit with a attack and getting hit by the recoil of the attack are 2 different things

[@nypurfrosty852]

@@eyedontlose8836 30 minutes and he still thought he was right😭

[@twisted_fantasy]

bruh that debate lasted longer than all five of Kakuzu's lives ong

[@swagglikebillyjoel]

Straight up, noodles doesnt hold his own arguments to the same standard that he holds other peoples arguments and its annoying af.

[@dawsong5208]

Just now getting around to watching, but I’m super curious if you have any examples you remember off the dome?

[@afishy1465]

@@dawsong5208just watch the video plenty of examples in there

[@ThePhantomRisk]

That’s the point of a debate. It’s up to his opponent to pick apart his argument.

[@marv34001]

@@ThePhantomRiskwhich is why it’s autistic. Like if you talk to someone like that, you can never get to the truth of the disagreement. Then it just becomes pointless. Unless you watch debates just to hear people yap

[@yudasrain4774]

@@afishy1465can you just give an actual example and support your claim?

[@venomz8888]

Noodles: What is 2(4+2)? Well you would begin with what’s inside the parentheses and… Noodles: Don’t deflect! It’s a yes or no question!

[@unironicallyablueraspberry4959]

🤣🤣 lmfao

[@justinmathaba8482]

😂😂😂

[@kodoqbesar4301]

They need to do past Swagkage's Madara vs Noodles' Kakuzu. That will be one of the debates of all time.

[@Complexityspaz]

Noodles Has even said Madara wipes there’s no debate to be had

[@___________0Z0X]

@@Complexityspaz Budd missed the joke, lol.

[@theredriver2070]

Nah bro it aint even close with Kakuzu's RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW DURABILITY is built different

[@tonythatoneguy3861]

My biggest issue with Noodles as a debater is he is incredibly bad faith and disingenuous. Anytime a statement in his favor comes up its suddenly "Its right and you cant deny that" then every time a statement is made by his opponent its "CAN YOU PROVE IT??? FAKE NOT TRUE UNPROVEN, SPECULATION" Bro, this is fucking fiction, you could literally say EVERYTHING is speculation. Seeing Noodles debate isnt fun because he isnt willing to engage in a good faith argument with anyone. He keeps back peddling everytime he makes a point on an argument he tried to debunk an hour ago. Swag at least came in with a good faith argument, willing to concede on certain issues. Id love to see more of these debates but not with someone like Noodles who just engages in bad faith arguments acts like a cocky prick the whole time.

[@Am-fp7pn]

exactly

[@josephbooker259]

This is why people hate debaters. They don't want to come to an understanding, they want to win. It's lame.

[@AlphaAbyss_]

I agree Itachi wins but there are better ways to debate than that like I guess it works but it should be fair

[@onizukasensei5321]

@@josephbooker259 but that's the whole point even swagkage knows this and acts like this it shldnt have been surprising once this livestream got released more to the casual community you all wld react like this i don't blame u but it rlly isn't that deep

[@2406west]

​@@AlphaAbyss_deva path preta path and animal path 3v1 itachi dont even get started with throwing the naraka path in there

[@kodoqbesar4301]

Noodles is the type of guy who says that Kakuzu would beat Okina Matara in a battle because Kakuzu has that raw durability while Okina is a God of Disability and is on a chair or a wheelchair

[@yokuutsu9097]

Kakazu to Noodles is super mega ultra duper outerversal

[@theredriver2070]

@@yokuutsu9097 Nah Kakazu is just ultra super DEE duper Boundless

[@gabrielsalahi3656]

If Noodles just held his own arguments to the same “that’s an assumption!” Then he’d actually be a good debater

[@princelamar1735]

He does hold his own arguments to that standard though. He’s clarified before that making assumptions are ok, it’s making baseless assumptions he has an issue with.

[@gabrielsalahi3656]

@@princelamar1735 Yes but it’s the issue of what counts as baseless

[@princelamar1735]

@@gabrielsalahi3656 Well for him a baseless assumption is an assumption that isn’t the only one that has to be made, or when your pulling it out of your head. What makes an allowed assumption is an assumption backed with real world understanding. For example if we have two drawings that look like humans an assumption noodles would not be okay with is if you said “one of the humans has rubber for a skeleton”, an assumption he would be okay with instead would be “since they look like humans they should have brains therefore hitting them in the head is a weak spot”. So long as your assumption is based on real world knowledge as well as being the most likely or evident interpretation he will be ok with the assumption.

[@youngcracker9517]

Nah bro swag had a terrible argument the first hour and was looking crazy tbh

[@princelamar1735]

@@youngcracker9517 Thank you, glad to see I’m not the only one to see how terrible swag was doing there.

[@glitchbyt3gaming27]

Noodles literally pulled out every dirty underhanded tactic in the book, along with a few brainless attempts that i'd never witnessed ANYONE being delusional enough to argue unironically. Swag, you're the winner, hands down, you put their mans down 💯

[@Tripp247]

Bro literally argued konohamaru was as fast or faster than a path of pain

[@borger260]

​@@Tripp247 That's literally what happened on page, that doesn't mean anything.

[@Tripp247]

@@borger260 Listen, I understand that's what happened on the page, but you have to understand outliers exist and child konohamaru being relative in speed to the sannin is not consistent, taking one outlier feat as a consistent scaling isn't how you powerscale

[@ZaharJudah]

They have noodles the vote win he won

[@ZaharJudah]

@@Tripp247what are you yapping about inconsistent if that’s what shown it’s what shown why target noodles for something like that 😂

[@kimberly4275]

Bruh when he started to ask "did kishi wrote this" i just couldnt anymore.

[@EhhAsher]

"prove it"

[@Saintsrow1824]

For the whole recoil argument. I’m convinced that Noodles was arguing for the sake of arguing because Swags argument isn’t that hard to grasp or comirheend

[@rhysjonsmusic]

Thats kinda noodles' whole thing, arguing semantics for the sake of arguing and demanding confirmation for every little point, meanwhile he just spit balls blatant headcanon and speculation

[@flame-fl3yy]

Noodles: The burden of proof isn’t on me Also Noodles: Prove that Naruto can wipe his ass without the help of Kurama He’s such a joke 😂

[@kelvinallen9327]

He can just get Momoshiki to do it for him now 🫣

[@kwasihill7233]

“This is the same logic of Sakura scaling to Kaguya because she punches her off guard” that’s literally the same logic noodles was using when he brings up Kono catching pain with a rasengan

[@dawsong5208]

broooo it's actually crazy how a good chunk of the debate is so much more unnecessary with this sentence in mind. I'm only an hour in and this rasenshuriken shit has my brain going through lag irl. Good on you for catching that shit.

[@yagamifire7861]

@@dawsong5208 Yes, this level of debate is absolutely stupid and is fueled by bad faith debaters.

[@kingofgames234]

@@dawsong5208 except he conceded that point willfully, so it's not a catch

[@wesleyowens4089]

​@@dawsong5208well swag was the one saying Sakura scales above Madara with the ten tails because of that in another video

[@djray1027]

Noodles trying to argue that recoil damage is the same as getting hit with the rasenshuriken is the most embarrassing and bad faith points I've ever heard from a debater

[@ezekielmills7553]

Man Six that part where Noodles was trying to argue getting hit with Rasenshuriken was the same as using it was stupid. Props to you and Swag for dealing with that shit lmao

[@joaquincasascortes624]

Agreed lmao

[@tajup8741]

Lmao.😂😂

[@Tkyoking]

That was a very nasty argument I couldn’t believe what I was hearing

[@graysongray6586]

He fucking cut out noodle's face because of how cursed it was 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@badassproductions4734]

As light yagami once said: Good Riddance 😈

[@charleslathrop9743]

I swear, I feel bad for Swagkage here, he's getting so confused by how illogical his opponent is that he starts losing track of his own argument because he's actually trying to keep track of the arguments and make sense of things. Noodles never gets confused because he's not trying to make sense. He just says the next thing that comes to his mind that sounds like it might make sense. Noodles head canon vs Swagkage logical inference and deduction.

[@yagamifire7861]

Noodles is the picture perfect example of "Never argue with an idiot..."

[@illialidur8244]

I can feel my blood pressure slowly rising every minute I listen to this. Mad respect to both participants and moderators for actually enduring this for 4 whole hours when they had the option to simply stop at any point. In solidarity, I will also sit through this whole thing. I would love to do one of these debates, but I’m not nearly cutthroat enough for it. I’d accept way too many things in goodwill for the sake of having a fun discussion. I’d get slaughtered lol.

[@trevon444]

that would be fun I’d love to try I know my stuff lmao

[@AverBeam]

The goat

[@shoto4520]

@@jonathangrover3176 I wouldn’t say it’s a children’s comic cuz we literally see people die and a lot of messed up stuff

[@jonathangrover3176]

@@shoto4520 Yeah I was exaggerating a bit lol. I think it is intended for the late middle school / early high school age bracket, right? I started reading it in middle school anyway

[@shaine9968]

Swagkage back from the nether realm

[@MC-jq6ml]

This mf noodles is unbearable "prove the statement in the data book is true" "prove the statement in the manga was written by the author" oh my God bro

[@archerassassin8]

I thought you were joking, he actually pulls this shit

[@fikshunthesamurai]

I wanna target the Rasinshuriken point lol homie really saying that throwing it is slower 🤦🏽‍♂️ if anything it’s most definitely faster! Take anything solid that you’ve ever thrown in your life…that object will move faster from point a to point b then YOU can if you decided to run with it from point a to point b 😂 that’s just a basic fact of life. Bro logic really left the chat with that one (and some others 😅)

[@theredscum4202]

Logic in real life not anime where people have superspeed and shit

[@ZaharJudah]

Baseless assumption

[@Wyrm7774]

@@theredscum4202superspeed and they're still throwing things, because throwing is faster

[@espurrseyes42]

@@Wyrm7774 And doesn't require you to put yourself at risk of damage. Also in Rasenshuriken's case, because they literally stated prior after the Kakuzu fight that it has negative side effects to the point where the Goddess of Medical Ninjutsu deemed it a Kinjutsu/Forbidden Jutsu. So it's potentially harmful to the user to use it up close rather than throwing it.

[@___________0Z0X]

@@ZaharJudah isn’t it a baseless assumption to assume that it is slower though?

[@fictionschmiction4478]

Looking at this again and Noodles really holds Swag's arguments and expectations to an absurd standard while denying what would be direct proof by using semantics. His Konohamaru shenanigans were downright dirty and the argument of the Rasenshuriken being slower than Sage Naruto was terrible.

[@yagamifire7861]

Noodles: Ninja uses ninjutsu and ninjutsu uses chakra therefore outerversal Konohamaru Swag: That doesn't make any- Noodles: IT'S ESTABLISHED! IT'S ESTABLISHED! IT'S TRUE! meanwhile Swag: Okay so granted that there is a sky with clouds in the Naruto series- Noodles: PROOF! PROOF! PROVE IT! TWELVE STATEMENTS FROM AUTHOR RIGHT NOW TO PROVE IT! GET KISHIMOTO ON THE PHONE TO CONFIRM OR IT'S HEADCANON! It's unreal.

[@fictionschmiction4478]

@@yagamifire7861 You're literally right.

[@wesleyowens4089]

It is possible that him throwing it would be slower than him running with it but I still don't see how you think it's so much slower that konahamaru would be faster than it

[@shane1010]

absolutely loved all 4 hours of this! been watching swagkage since like 2017-18......

[@kaip122]

Noodles 100% needs to take a chill pill and apply Occum’s Razor to like 90% of the arguments he makes. I am an hour into this and I feel like a timer needs to be set. Noodles doesn’t let Swag get a point across while repeatedly straw manning him. This is just dishonest Edit: I’m around 2:47:00. I cannot understand why Noodles debates like this. There is no possible way he actually thinks that recoil damage from an attack is the same as getting hit with it. Additionally I think they should do their next debates as a formal debate, opening, closing and a QandA section. Noodles is being a child and taking bad faith at every opportunity. Also around 3:03:00 Noodles admits to shotgunning, and Swag calls him out.

[@APerson-si8jr]

Would you say this debate is worth sinking the 4 hours into?

[@yagamifire7861]

@@APerson-si8jr No

[@adrianherbert5844]

​@@APerson-si8jr If you are doing a job that doesn't require 100% attention, then yes. Otherwise, probably not.

[@quentin6669]

Swag should’ve brought the will of fire argument to konohamaru hitting one of the pains with a rasengan lol

[@keybladeking1151]

i feel like it's incredibly disingenuous to say that the rasenshuriken is slower than naruto, the whole act of throwing it would narratively imply that it at least gives him some advantage. if it is worse to throw it then are you saying kishimoto really intended for the rasenshuriken to be best in close quarters? even though for the rest of the series naruto mostly throws it compared to close quarters use.

[@Azamingg]

But isn't the point of the rasenshuriken being thrown that it doesn't start detonating in Naruto's hand? So he doesn't break his arm everytime he uses it? Not to say whether or not Naruto is faster than his thrown rasenshuriken or not, I am not enough of a powerscaler to give an evidence based opinion on that, but the reason for it being thrown, as far as I know, has nothing to do with its speed.

[@azureflow9972]

Kishimoto did intend that funnily enough. The Rasenshuriken was originally supossed to be used like a normal rasengan like Naruto did against Kakuzu. Then Tsunade explained how bad the drawbacks are on Naruto hence why he throws it. I don't think throwing it is slower tho, based on the interaction with the 3rd raikage

[@keybladeking1151]

@@Azamingg it may be the case for as far as just sage mode naruto, but chakra mode should be able to handle using it close range

[@keybladeking1151]

at least from feats of other attacks he's tanked in the war. like with the tailed beast bombs in the crimson formation.

[@umbralowl]

I think it does give him does some advantage not throwing it. But he *ALWAYS* throws it so regardless it doesn't matter, Honestly I think it's cause of when Tsunade yells at Naruto and yells at him to never use the jutsu again, then he learns to throw it removing all risk so look Granny you can't yell at me any more

[@Bruh-ff3sq]

Before naruto killed tendo with a regular rasengan, Tendo thinks to himself it’s fine he can’t throw that one. Does that not imply rasenshuriken is faster than naruto.

[@TheSodaShop]

What a great point

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

We really needed this fight

[@LuciferArc1]

It would be cool if kishimoto would do chapters of fan fight matchups. Just to see how the author would do it too. I think kishi would go absolutely wild with this fight

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@LuciferArc1 has that ever happened before? Studio Pierrot and Kishimoto’s editors are so goddamn greedy yet they don’t get the quantity they’d get from these what if fights

[@Velocirodger]

Noodles acts like he’s an edgeworth but really a gumshoe. Man couldn’t win an argument with a light pole

[@TheAssassin13th]

W Ace Attorney reference

[@jonathangrover3176]

Thanks Six for hosting this. Ive listened to the Sakura vs Madara debate with you and Swag vs Kabuki and Afro, and the Pain vs Kakuzu debate with Noodles and Swag, probably dozens of times over the past years. Certain that this is going to provide a lot of entertainment as well. Much appreciated

[@XO_Keo]

Just listened to the ENTIRE THING! I won't spoil it. But my conclusion is Swagkage won. The majority of Swag's statements and debunks were cut and dry. And directly from the manga with the most favored interpretations. While Noodle's statements and debunks were majorly stretches. Like I guess you can interpret it that way but in the long run those points don't hold up and Swag pointed it out. Some of Noodle's points did stick. But not enough to confirm victory. A lot of good points Swag had literally got pushed to the side because Noodle's kept pushing the finish line farther back. Smart tactic but nah Swag took this one

[@briankeithevans7972]

Ill spoil this shit. Noodles is a loser and literally did NOT provide a SINGLE POINT to his argument even tho he had itachi who has 4 one shot abilities

[@briankeithevans7972]

Ill spoil this shit. Noodles is a loser and literally did NOT provide a SINGLE POINT to his argument even tho he had itachi who has 4 one shot abilities

[@briankeithevans7972]

Ill spoil this shit. Noodles is a loser and literally did NOT provide a SINGLE POINT to his argument even tho he had itachi who has 4 one shot abilities

[@briankeithevans7972]

Ill spoil this shit. Noodles is a loser and literally did NOT provide a SINGLE POINT to his argument even tho he had itachi who has 4 one shot abilities

[@ZaharJudah]

Swag loss , they gave majority vote to noodles .

[@joshualopez796]

Chibaku Tensei is the ultimate win con here. A non fatigued Pain is suffocating Itachi 100%. Why even argue Pain can’t hold it up for longer? It’s a jutsu and jutsus are chakra based, if he uses a very taxing jutsu (chaotic Shinra tensei) then obviously his chibaku tensei will not last as long. The debate that it won’t be much of a time difference is also bad considering the chakra output of chaotic and the fact that Noodles said that if he were to use chaotic again it will kill Pain.

[@theredscum4202]

Susano tho?

[@Kmarks_]

He can’t hold it up so he’s waisting chakra,itachi can sub out of it or use a clone or izanagi & more but Itachi is stated to be light speed & pain has no light speed feats nor statements & pain has no feat of stopping genjustu so itachi would just blitz him kill him with anything he chooses

[@nirjhar4803]

​​@@Kmarks_ You cant simply sub out of the gravitational pull of Chibaku Tensei, and clearly using a clone would be ineffective considering the pull tends to be universal to all objects in range. Edo Itachi himself doesnt attempt either of these techniques to escape Chibaku Tensei in the first place. Itachi's never been blatantly stated to have been light speed, although I personally believe he scales close to lightspeed in terms of feats. Although depending on the paths I dont see him blitzing all the Paths of pain in a single go. Especially if he's using susanoo.

[@Kmarks_]

@@nirjhar4803 itachi had plenty of ways dealing with the CT,but like I said he can use izanagi & pain didn’t know Naruto shadow clones from the original so Itachi could use that but pain is slower wen all 6 are up, if konohamaru can react to a pain itachi is blitzing them Pain has no feats on stopping genjustu so there’s that,edo itachi is even faster he’s protecting sasuke & holding back on kabuto who was bout to no diff sasuke til itachi saved him,ems sasuke & kcm1 was relative in speed & ap…Itachi is faster & stronger than ems so no itachi is far above light speed.

[@dukarah115]

4hrs debating SICK Itachi vs Pain who pulled up to the leaf, beat everyone in it, blew the entire thing up, and then proceeded to beat Sage Naruto😭

[@kimberly4275]

Yeah, but Konohamaru is faster tho xD

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

@@kimberly4275 the Sarutobi’s are built different. Prime Hiruzin is the strongest Kage ever. Second to Kakashi and third to Prime Naruto

[@reallydave9517]

@@TheUncivilizedNation featless/ probably retconned .

[@SpadedL]

@@TheUncivilizedNation you saying hiruzin beating hasirama?

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

@@SpadedL in his prime yes

[@CoolOkay_]

Noodles just comes off as passive aggressive sometimes; he's quite a personality that's easy to dislike.

[@theredriver2070]

The fact that we all had to sit through the rasenshuriken arguments is crazy Anyone wanna trade memories and forget this

[@bread2945]

W upload, bout to grab some food and watch this all night

[@swagglikebillyjoel]

Noodles would read "Mammals have fur" in his biology textbook and then say "well it doesnt mean all mammals because it doesnt say "all" mammals"

[@TFF_Onida]

imma let you finish, but not all mammals have fur my guy...

[@christianrowe992]

No I know where noodles is coming from I was actually hoping I could jump in just to defend him and I like swagkage better. What I would have said in noodles defense is a bullet proof vest is stated to stop bullets. But we all know it doesn't stop ALL bullets. So same logic can be applied. Not saying noodles is right but when you and swag came for his explanation that unless expressly stated that all of something is blocked by an entity rather than a blanket statement such as that something is blocked by an entity than you could argue the statement might not mean all

[@theprinceofthebadlands5204]

I see your point but on that front he would be right. Quite a few mammals don't have fur.

[@josephrogers3666]

Humans are mammals so not the best analogy

[@coin4898]

Tried to make a point and ended up making yourself look foolish, lol

[@LeoConklin]

Noodles argues like a flat earther

[@Pickledog-ig9nf]

Noodles is so scummy with his arguments and when swag tries to call him out or play just like noodles, he just deflects the arguments or calls swag out on being underhanded.

[@matejadimitrijevic8967]

Kakuzu : Nah, I'd win

[@Gmel405]

Swag you a strong soul for being able to maintain your sanity thru 4 hours of talking to this person 🙏🙏🙏 shout out to you frfr

[@udayhd]

was waiting 2 years for dis man

[@jbriggs06]

Noodles did nothing to make me ACTUALLY believe Itachi wins here... he just pushed debate bro nonsense. Noodles is all like "here's a claim I won't firmly establish now prove I'm wrong"... instead of him laying down a fondation and showing he's right he just gives Swag a claim he can't refute because Swag obviously isn't trained to deal with debate bro shit and doesn't have live calcs... then at the 3+ hour point Swag was giving up ponts just to finish because lulz 4 hour debate lol... even if Noodles "technically" won on scoring because points he still loses the actual debate... So you might be like isn't that the point? Swag "lost" because he's worse at debating right? No... no because Rocky 1 exists... Noodles is a debate bro! Imagine me some guy off the street fight prime Tyson and he has to hit me once then run the clock for his dub? I'm the hero at the end in this situation because why didn't you just ko me? Why are you the accomplished fighter using dirty underhanded tactics to win? Noodles boxed Swag for like 45 mins then just went aggressive debate virgin for 3 hours after that... Swag had to stop like a dozen times like bro you asked me a question let me actually respond to it... so... you win Noodles I guess 🙄 but Swag is by far the hero here and it has nothing to do with audience size that's a cope. This debate was Rocky 1. As the ref announced "Noodles wins!" The audience sadly didn't hear it because... we were too busy cheering for Swag and that's 100% on Noodles for that.

[@bungeboy007]

Noodles did not win this debate imo swag refuted the points that mattered and noodles scales contradict them selves which swag pointed out of the judges gave it to noodle they were wrong again this is just my opinion

[@Troy211]

What’s the point of a debate if dude won’t let swag talk? Also noodle keep calling swag out for assuming everything meanwhile he himself has nothing but assumptions.

[@thegreatkabukino6639]

Dude did the same thing the last time they debated 😅

[@borger260]

Swag interrupted literally almost as much as Noodles. Swag made more assumptions as well.

[@Troy211]

@@borger260 yeah, trying to finish his sentence.

[@MaxJakkz]

@@borger26099% of the times he interrupted was trying to finish what he was saying after being interrupted 💀noodles argues like a child

[@ZaharJudah]

@@MaxJakkzit’s a debate tho that’s the point don’t watch it if you don’t like how noodles debate

[@TheRealWoopSlap]

This one was a lot closer than last time from everything I've seen

[@laurierhebert-jodoin5716]

Half of it is Noodles doing some growing up. Half of it is Itachi vs Pain being a legit matchup lol.

[@joaquincasascortes624]

Noodles made the debate 2 hours longer than it should've.

[@Redacted_Ruler]

This debate could have been over in 5 minutes if Swag just asked what Itachi is doing against Chibaku Tensei. Unless Noodles breaks out the RAW DURABILITY argument for SICK ITACHI the argument ends there.

[@collinleivas9605]

Six smart for recording this

[@rhysjonsmusic]

Got to document Noodles getting cooked again

[@jayanmazumder359]

Bro noodles is so disingenuous, the all ninjutsu argument, the konohamaru stuff, the failed debunk on pushing pains out the way and I’m only an hour and 30 mins in.

[@joaquincasascortes624]

That semantic shit was annoying asf.

[@Neo-925]

2:30:00 bro acted as if tanking the recoil of a shotgun is the same as getting hit with a shotgun 😂😂😂

[@ZaharJudah]

Your not literaly creating the attack from your body with a shotgun tho flaud comparison

[@justinmathis8078]

@@ZaharJudahusing the rasenshuriken is not equivalent to being hit by it.

[@chrono733]

@@ZaharJudah bruh after hitting rasenshuriken the enemy gets blown anyway but naruto back then still took damage from the recoil of blasting rasenshuriken this ain't even a debate kinda using a little brain could literally make u realize that landing rasenshuriken and recoil of it isn't even close to equal

[@KIDInuyasha96]

Swagkage debates more fairly. I don't know the other dude but the way he was debating was mad annoying. Bro was trying to push his agenda and argument way too much.

[@barbarrox]

"More fairly" prohibites any canon fact about itachi except blind and dead itschi version vs sasuke. Noodles is a cloen but swagkages is an bad debater. He literally dven lost to noodles

[@QuitTheDownplay]

“He was trying to push his argument too much” you mean, like, the entire point of debating?

[@KIDInuyasha96]

@QuitTheDownplay there is a difference between debating and cutting someone's argument off to push your agenda. If you're going to cut someone off because you don't even wanna factor in a counterpoint, then there is no point debating.

[@QuitTheDownplay]

@@KIDInuyasha96swag cut him off multiple times too you are simply bias

[@KIDInuyasha96]

@QuitTheDownplay i quit listening after 20 mins. I do got a bit of bias because I've heard Swag debate before. The other dude came off unlikeablein my opinion within the first 10 mins. 🤷🏾‍♂️ he was trying too hard.

[@OmegaRed1229]

I'm definitely gonna sit back and grab snack and enjoy this debate

[@Kobold1650]

This debate was kinda ass overall. It was basically 4 hours of semantics. Few solid points were allowed to be made, and very little was actually gone over. It's sad because this stuff can be interesting to discuss or listen to, but they kept hanging up on the most asinine or ridiculous bullshit.

[@Hip-Gnosis1134]

They definitely should have ended the debate versing each other in ninja storm 😂

[@kelvinallen9327]

In that case they both have infinite chakra and the fight would go on longer than this debate 😂🤣

[@Joseito27]

Kaguya did not see Sakura cause Sakura came in through her byakugan blindspot. Noodles what are you saying ??

[@adamdonovan7269]

Not defending Noodles here by any means. His debate tactics are terrible and disingenuous but there is plausibility to that theory. We know the Byakugan has a blind spot and it's an assumption to say Kaguya wouldn't have one just because she's an Otsutsuki. Saying that though the blind spot is incredibly small, smaller than Sakura. It took Kidomaru weaving an incredibly small arrow with perfect precision to take advantage of the blind spot on Neji. For Sakura to remain in the blind spot she'd have to do the same only with her entire person which is a lot bigger than the arrow. So while plausible it isn't very likely. To add to this she should also be able to sense Sakura being there as she has all the same sensing capabilities Naruto has, seeing as those abilities originally came from Kaguya so its not really an argument. Even if Kaguya couldn't see her she could definitely sense her. What makes it worse is it's Noodles job to know this stuff. I'm just a regular guy that likes Naruto and even I know this stuff. Kind of embarrassing on Noodles part

[@brandito5480]

@@adamdonovan7269was so weird cause our brain literally can completely block certain things we see out as we’re currently seeing them just because it’s not relevant information to our brains or just to fill a gap so to speak

[@kelvinallen9327]

Maybe it was a big blind spot 😂🤣

[@ryanfeddeler2516]

I've never in my life seen someone talk someone into answering a specific way. Thats not debating. Noodles literally talks to hear his own voice. Dude says Mangekyo is the strongest dojutsu. Dude doesnt undedstand what recoil means. 🗑

[@dukarah115]

Can we please get a Six v Swag / Itachi v Nagato debate? I feel like that should’ve been a thing already and it’d be much more constructive and entertaining than this

[@2406west]

I'm pretty sure they made an edo itachi vs nagato video together i can't remember if it was an actual debate though

[@thegreatkabukino6639]

​@@2406westI think that was an opinion piece iirc but thanks for reminding me of it.

[@2406west]

@@thegreatkabukino6639 i think so too and i think they both agreed edo itachi wins. i agree with that too but sick itachi vs pain is a wash imo. itachi would need prep time and an off guard pain for a shot and might still not have the juice to get it done imo

[@Asesino1535]

no no no no i need orochimaru vs itachi base. So my boi orochimaru can get some respect

[@thegreatkabukino6639]

@@2406west 100% agree homie

[@Gmel405]

Hour and a half in, Swag 3-0 so far, Jesus Christ 😭😭

[@prolastmedia6171]

Yes because Noodles isn't smart enough to come up with good points

[@user-ch8gd7lp9s]

The “Prove Kishimoto wrote that”part was incredibly scummy, Swag clearly won the debate.

[@TheDrdressup]

So cool that this continued

[@sharkgod4572]

Loving the longer videos

[@Nye999]

LMFAOOO thought it was gonna at least go up tmr 😂

[@ChaoticHeretic]

Dude, Noodles is kinda unbearable here. comparing Konahamaru to pain and saying all the paths of Pain are equal in speed... THEN he brings up the expanding Rasen shuriken panel which proves that they all aren't the same speed. because one of them had to be saved while the others were jumping away. It hurts my ears hearing him worm around this debate. Lol

[@hypnotic_o]

Bro, this really about to be a banger to listen to

[@2406west]

9:47 this is already such a bad faith argument. to say that it doesn't matter that nagato wasnt expecting itachi to attack him is delusional. i legit cant believe anyone would even try to argue that. so if thats the logic then does danzo scale to shisui? does black zetsu scale to 3 eyed juubidara? sakura scale to kaguya? does himawari scale to hokage naruto? they must since it doesnt matter if youre ready or not

[@ClawCyber]

2 hours in might need to pause for now, but dirty tactitcs on both sides, however so far at the very least swag is the lesser offender. If you use the opponents claim to support your own arguement you have to concede your stance, noodles does not do this, instead he uses swags claims when it benefits him while still standing by his own which doesnt make any sense. Swag not giving early shippuden itachi the mirror and blade seems dirty, but its not unwarranted considering how noodles is going about the debate so far Edit: the more I watch the rattier and worse noodles points get 💀

[@GodPharoh]

Noodles is such a sleezy, dishonest debater, and he just isn't enjoyable to hear debate.

[@Mrgraduation]

Im 2 hrs In and Swag has been 10x more dishonest during this debate Ive heard some awful Noodles takes before but he doesn’t have very many 2 hours In, not as much as swag

[@LilShiro05]

@@Mrgraduationhes a sheep bro😭

[@bruis1527]

@@MrgraduationI’m 30 mins in, but how has swag in any way been disingenuous? 90% of noodles arguments have been speculation and not really widely accepted interpretations of events, and the one time swag had a reasonable speculation to an answer, that’s pretty widely accepted, noodles goes “so we’re using speculation now 🤓🤓” when speculation is the basis of everyone of his arguments

[@Tripp247]

@@Mrgraduationnah, bro lost the plot when he said konohamaru was as fast or faster than the path of pain. Bro acts like blind caughing itachi has the same feats as edo itachi

[@Mrgraduation]

@@bruis1527 Yeah no the first 2 hrs Noodles really wasn’t all that bad but for the next 2 hrs after that Noodles goes back to being noodles, but both were definitely being disingenuous the whole debate tho Swag did it just to be funny sometimes

[@auxpersonal]

Noodles attempting to debate "what if an editor wrote this statement" was genuinely insane

[@JonTheMaven]

Especially since he tries to use the same sort of "editor statement" to suggest that Itachi is the strongest akatsuki member and that he's "hiding in the bushes looking for Naruto." It's pretty hypocritical.

[@RageGS]

I was there from start to finish It was a fun listen to while I was at work

[@Redacted_Ruler]

I hear “Can you prove that” in my nightmares now

[@demontiming3234]

Noodles is a terrible vs debater. He would be a great lawyer tho, because all he uses are tactics rather than just plain and simply arguing his case.

[@onizukasensei5321]

no offense but try debating him then lmfao he is not a terrible debater can say some annoying stuff for the sake of debate and winning but doesn't make him a bad vs debater u all in the comments actually losing it lmao nonetheless it was a lot closer than last time could get painful to listen to at points but it was back and forth clearly

[@demontiming3234]

@@onizukasensei5321 what are you e to talking about? This is literally my only comment on this video. And also if you think this was a balanced debate then you are wrong. To put it simply, Noodles is a hypocrite, he’ll try to use headcanon for feats and then if you call out that it’s headcanon his rebuttal is “prove that it’s not true then” when he should be proving that it is true. Swag was too nice and trying to be respectful and that was the problem, Noodles kept taking advantage of that. Noodles uses tactics in his debates It’s a tactic used to make the person you’re arguing with backtrack and second guess their points to give yourself the upper hand wether you’re right or wrong in the argument

[@MaxJakkz]

@@onizukasensei5321noodles is a giant hypocrite. He does not hold himself to the same standard as others. He can say a shit argument and thinks it should slide but would NEVER let that same thing slide for someone else. He is dishonest

[@onizukasensei5321]

@@demontiming3234 how does "you all in the comments" imply that i am saying u made multiple comments i am saying u all as in the hoards of people commenting a similar take to this

[@onizukasensei5321]

@@demontiming3234 "he’ll try to use headcanon for feats and then if you call out that it’s headcanon his rebuttal is “prove that it’s not true then” when he should be proving that it is true." swag literally used headcannon examples too in fact it is far more common for him to do so than noodles why did u even try saying that I can agree he can be hypocritical at points tho but there were points where they were BOTH going back on their points and contradicting themselves. and saying swag is too nice and trying to be respectful was the problem as noodles wld take advantage of that isn't even funny. How did you come up with that. If anything it was much closer to the opposite did you even watch the livestream? Baffled you even attempted to claim that. and i don't see what is wrong with using tactics in a debate. I don't see what is wrong with trying to find inconsistencies in someone's arguments. but to each their own not gonna argue on this again

[@revolvers34]

Dude I love watching these debates, where can I go to watch more of them by swag or even by six?

[@hakaytypebeat7982]

I loved every minute ngl

[@JARMIDz]

I have finally finished this video, and I gotta say, swag could've talked about the 2 other instances where naruto chose to throw the rasenshuriken at madara, instead of trying to melee him with it. The moment that takes the cake for me, is noodles arguing that konohamaru can take pain off guard lol

[@enesk.e.2886]

Noodles: Rasen Shuriken is not faster than the Caster, so he wouldnt have to go CQC with Pain! Swagkage: If it isnt faster than the Caster, why would he throw it, if its better to be upclose Noodles: Because he'd take damage Swagkage: He doesnt (proves it with Sage Mode) Noodles: Proof to me, that my statement is wrong, by assuming my statement is right! Noodles: Idc what a potential Editor has to say in a volume Swagkage: But Kishimoto was still narrating everything since it was weekly releases Noodles: Narrator says that Itachi is the strongest Swagkage: Why isnt the other valid then Noodles: Proof to me that my statement is wrong and yours is valid!

[@Accelerator20004]

Hi six how did you get your or make your profile picture just looking how to make my own inspired by yours thanks

[@Leonslowpoke]

I don’t mean to sound like a bozo, but where do they stream? Twitch?

[@abrahamlincoln7907]

Swag won btw (i havent even watched it yet)

[@donovan4222]

Kakuzu wins

[@forthe3136]

Damn bro wipe yo chin when you done

[@josephrogers3666]

​@@donovan4222raw durability solos

[@spicyboi544]

Im sorry, I know this is 4 months old and no one will see this comment but the recoil argument REALLY upset me, the fact that noodles would just not understand or comprehend how recoil damage works is so dumb - NARUTO LITERALLY HAS RECOIL DAMAGE = the gates have recoil effect - just as guy trains his body to be able to hand the recoil of gate 6 without any draw backs to is health is the exact same as naruto in sage mode not taking recoil damage because his body is stronger. that was SUPER disingenuous

[@JonTheMaven]

I see you. And you're absolutely right. Swag's 50 Cal Analogy was on point. There's a difference between "tanking" the recoil from the shot, and tanking a bullet to the chest, a difference Noodles can't seem to grasp.

[@spicyboi544]

@@JonTheMaven thanks for agreeing

[@evancool1555]

Thank you six!

[@bossmden9312]

4 hours of naruto debate is this a dream 🤩

[@BeatsDaCreator]

Bro Noodles makes debates hurt to listen to

[@CGR1410]

This shit longer than LOTR extended edition 😭💀

[@epicmemelord2258]

Who needs sleep when I can watch a 4 hour six and swag debate 🔥

[@IndexInvestingWithCole]

Im using it to sleep

[@vanillamilk7575]

@@IndexInvestingWithCole💀

[@RYNCRRLL]

“it’s not ninjutsu but it has the same properties as ninjutsu”-so then it can blow away the susanno too since it has the same properties as ninjutsu? that would also mean genjutsu is vulnerable too as it has ninjutsu properties such as chakra…..

[@Labiasandwich]

I was excited to listen to this until I realized who Swag was debating. No thanks.

[@ChaoticHeretic]

Also, just to point out. Noodle accidentally proved Naruto characters aren't light speed. If they were, the 5 second delay between shinra tensei would be made trivial. There are plenty of panels showing an attack closing in on Pain with a count down. Light speed travels the planet in one second by the way.

[@prp_loading]

One hour in and swag hasn’t used the rasenshuriken sfx yet, i am disappointed.

[@HeartbreakHertz]

i took two naps during this video, only to realize my mans six was neva gonna argue

[@Goober-ie1tt]

I like how swag argued rasenshruiken is around narutos speed and the other guy twisted it into swag saying “no reason to throw it” when swag only said that “if its not relative why would he throw it”. He twisted swags argument to work in his favor.

[@theultimateuchihaderp3311]

This is how I know Swagkage is secretly a masochist. No man or woman that values his or her safety and health would willingly wanna have a prolonged debate with Noodles. Let alone a debate for 4 hours. Having to sit through that long period of time of the man’s mindless yammering and yapping is enough to drive you insane.💀

[@evancool1555]

Let’s go!

[@jarviscormier4718]

yap no jutsu funny debate tho these happen in the disc?