What IF Sage Mode & Kyuubi Chakra Mode Swapped Fights?

[@ThunderGodTG]

Shout out my man @SatoriYT! he helped me out with a lot of Sage Mode Naruto stuff and I completely forgot to credit him in the vid. Vid would not have been as good without him 🙏🏻

[@Couldnt_think_of_anything]

Hi thunder bark

[@ExoticZah]

Another common Thunder God W

[@nicholasaugello2534]

Thunder BUCK

[@mickelsonsaint-preux6651]

Yo sm naruto use frog kuta on raikage like if his miss can js use nature energy around him and use tht to get a hit on him or use his iw like the same plan use on neji by hiding in ground when they think they won he pop up hit him wit double rasengan

[@davidsuper773]

Naruto forms multiplier video would go hard

[@UNKNOWNL3G3ND]

Pain being locked in is the new scalling meta

[@Black_Guy]

Kishimoto did a good job giving kyuubi mode and sage mode different strengths. He avoided the kaiyoken, super saiyan issue where one form becomes useless.

[@IAmRelXL]

This is a very true and very awesome comment. Kaioken was always a favorite of mines, then once super saiyan hit the scene, it was over. But the kaioken was very underutilized placed on the back burner when it didn't need to be.

[@hawksxnfl]

yea but once naruto hit so6p all other forms pretty much became useless

[@nirjhar4803]

​​@@hawksxnfl By the time Naruto hit KCM2 + Sage Mode, all of his previous forms become obselete other than for his shadow clones to use, or to conserve stamina..

[@fellowpassenger_54-67]

All the other forms becoming useless after that is fine considering that this happens in the last arc as opposed to Super Saiyan rendering everything else useless halfway through Z which would make the absence of those forms feel worse to sit through

[@maagic2031]

“But was Pain locked in, tho?” is my new favorite naruto scaling argument

[@ThunderGodTG]

I’m sayin fr

[@attackonyugioh92]

Spoilers are bad, m'kay. Even if that is something he says alot lol

[@Michael-mg5kq]

@@attackonyugioh92why the hell do people complain about spoilers in the comment section watch the damn video first

[@attackonyugioh92]

@@Michael-mg5kq you'll understand one day when you find your dream-content-passion thingy. Idk how to say what I'm tryna say, lol

[@K1wayne]

What time he say this

[@braxton2089]

your ability to pull out topics that address some of the contentious naruto scaling that hasn’t really been addressed in video format is unmatched

[@ThunderGodTG]

Hey! I appreciate that! Thanks a ton my man

[@maalikserebryakov]

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[@aytaf5430]

Sage Mode can ignore durability. And its attacks are potent. KCM is faster. And has more chakra.

[@vaughnjackson6297]

Susanoo counter😂

[@arclight7892]

@@vaughnjackson6297 yeah but the susanoo isn't invincible. People can brute force through it. Tsunade and Raikage managed to crack it. Jigen kicked Sasuke out of it.

[@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218]

Wait when did Naruto sage mode gain the ability to ignore durability, I thought sage mode only abilities were super strength, speed , toughness , recovery and attack extension

[@Chopper51138]

@@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218frog strike

[@adwaith6991]

Can you tell me detailed about it like who will win ,Kcm1 Naruto vs Sage Naruto

[@UberRoot3294]

Pain locking his rinnegan it's like complete revolution, never seen anybody notice that, myself included. I wonder if Madara or Obito uses that enhanced perception tho. Great work.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Bro I deadass was BAFFLED no one had brought this up before lmao appreciate it my man ✊ it may just come from Pain’s specific use of the Rinnegan or almost a Psuedo way of utilizing the Sharingan eyes they were previously that could see chakra. Which would explain why all the Sharingan users don’t even bother, since their eyes basically do the same thing.

[@takatotakasui8307]

I always viewed KCM1 as Naruto learning how to use Nine Tails chakra to become as strong as Sage Mode to make up for the time limit issues that Sage Mode had I never really thought about how Sage Mode kept getting amped throughout the war. Another W, keep it up TG

[@DZlegend]

Not a bad perspective tbh I can see it. I would put KCM1 slightly above sage mode just cause of the speed buff and amount of creative rasengans he began pulling out like mini rasenshuriken and planetary rasengan. But sage mode is definitely very close to KCM1 because of the cognitive buff,strength buff etc that sage mode gives.

[@takatotakasui8307]

@@DZlegend Yeah Naruto's creativity makes KCM the better form for sure

[@BlessedOrri]

Yeah Brother Sage Mode Naruto legit got stronger he went from struggling to beat the deva path to Taking out Half of Kuruma as well as defeating reanimated kages with Shadow Clones (using sage mode) it’s legit obvious he got stronger with it plus he can hold it out longer in the war he went from only being able to throw 2 rasenshuriken and running out of sage mode to being able to throw 4 and then run out he was definitely progressing with sage mode alone. And him being able to use it with kcm made it much more sweeter lol I think it was infinite atp while kcm2 was active.

[@takatotakasui8307]

@@BlessedOrri It's one of those things where I can't unsee it now

[@skrellb9659]

Funnily enough there was a whole filler what if AU where Naruto unlocked KCM during pain instead of during his training on the island. Bro literally one shots the deva path.

[@teatimedtm2879]

That’s what I’m saying Naruto cooks pain with kcm 😂

[@BlessedOrri]

Can’t go off of filler because that same filler arc MS(not EMS) Sasuke stalemated with KCM2 Sage Naruto which is completely inaccurate. EMS Sasuke would Lose to KCM2 Sage Naruto logically. So how does it make sense that MS a weaker dojutsus stalemates with KCM2 Sage Naruto don’t use filler for feats bro.

[@teatimedtm2879]

@@BlessedOrri realistically the stalemate was only with their two respective blasts the tail beast bomb and the flame arrow but they never rlly fought in the forms but it would make sense that a Naruto that’s stronger and faster than the previous self that beat pain would have an easier time with kcm beating pain

[@spacecowboy892]

You’ve truly become the standard bearer of this space bro. Every vid you put out is a banger.

[@ExoticZah]

Fr. TG is the most honest Naruto KZbinr.

[@ThunderGodTG]

I appreciate that a fuck ton my man 🙏🏻✊🏻

[@Proximacentauri543]

Sage mode is actually crazy because even after dodging him, the 3rd raikage kept moving forward without reacting which will mean he didn't see what happened until tge rasengan hit his arm

[@allmight3221]

This one was great fam. I like how u dealt with the KCM1 mental amp notion

[@Proximacentauri543]

You know I might not necessarily agree with all the takes, however it's so refreshing to see another person eloquently express their thoughts on the series I love so much.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Appreciate it!

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[@ThunderGodTG]

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[@cocoaguilar3622]

TG idk how you don’t have more followers, you’re putting out banger videos after videos

[@ThunderGodTG]

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[@unclephillymya]

KCM1 drops to fight Pain in Konoha Nagato: I WANT TO LIIVEEE😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@ExoticZah]

Don’t disrespect. Full power pain would still clap.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Nah this was funny 😂

[@unclephillymya]

@@ExoticZah Idk about clapping but it would be a good fight high diff

[@legalizetren]

Kyuubi cloak was soloing the war and beating kage level opponents with his clones unfortunately pain gets power cliffed into the dumpster

[@nwk1626]

@@ExoticZahkcm clones using rasenkyubikins to deal with pains strongest ability:

[@Scarface1121]

Back to back uploads the hero we need but don't deserve

[@TheEternalFlame57]

HE DID IT HE FINALLY MADE THE KCM VIDEO

[@ThunderGodTG]

“I can finally rest and watch the sun set”

[@nwk1626]

he knew he was late thats why his voice was shaky and nervous throughout the vid

[@infamousof3008]

One thing to note TG, is that between the pain fight, and GNW you can gauge how much time has passed based on Guy’s age in the data books. In the 3rd databook, which covers the pain arc, Guy is listed as 30 years old. His birthday is January 1st. While in the 4th databook, he’s listed as 31 years old which covers up to the Great War. Which only few days long. This implies the pain arc happened around the 4th quarter of the year. Although we don’t know the exact month it took place. With that said, let’s just hypothetically say it happened in December. From December to October, it’s been 10 months since pain the pain arc. This would mean Naruto had 10 months to train his sage mode. What gives credence to this is the insane feats he did against the Nine Tails and throughout the war. His sage mode simply progressed and got stronger off screen.

[@fellowpassenger_54-67]

I don’t think that’s accurate considering that all the arcs after Pain happened back to back without any time skips in between them, it doesn’t seem like everything takes place over the course of 10 months Than again, you might be right despite the pacing making it seem much faster

[@infamousof3008]

@@fellowpassenger_54-67 well it’s very accurate. If you seen the village right after Pain decimated Konoha vs how it looks when Sasuke visits it during the war, it’s a lot of growth. Then there’s Naruto sudden boost in power with sage mode during the war vs what we saw against pain. Everything happens over months, but us as readers don’t realize it. Also at the start of shippuden, Naruto is 15. The war ends on Naruto’s 17th birthday. So all of shippuden happened over the course of 2 years give or take.

[@fellowpassenger_54-67]

Good point, I didn’t take the village’s progress into account when thinking on this topic I always figured that most of those 2 years passed during the time from the start of Shippuden to the Pain arc, but it seems like I was wrong, thanks for enlightening me on that

[@hobbyhorse5848]

Thank god TG finally released his KCM video

[@nwk1626]

OMAGAWD THE KCM VID 🙏 🙏 🙏 the heavens have blessed us today

[@user_Z-]

Back to back videos? You’re going crazy bro

[@danieldeleon5216]

I was done with this side of anime scaling/analysis KZbin till I found ur channel👍🏽

[@ThunderGodTG]

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[@ObsidianMiner32]

Smoking weed popping bars kicking back and enjoying this banger vid

[@ThunderGodTG]

Appreciate that fam 😂🙏🏻

[@kodigibson8376]

Yo TG! Thanks brother 🙏 I have been watching naruto videos since the start of swagkage and swag got me addicted to these videos bro. I was legit sad when he stopped releasing videos because as I do like videos from other creators I was never hooked by there scaling and over all videos. But bro you have had me hooked again your videos and sick, your video topic 💯, and your scaling is top tier 👌 Also thanks for the swag video that was like my favourite collaboration video yet I hoped it would happen.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Appreciate it the humbling words a fuck ton brother 🔥🙏

[@ExoticZah]

TG is the most honest Naruto KZbinr

[@nwk1626]

his mewtwo feats say otherwise

[@spiritnge5797]

Yo TG, the nook you've made for yourself and voids you've filled in the community is awesome, never a dull video from you imo, keep up the great work and here's to more success🎉🎉🎉

[@ThunderGodTG]

Thank you sir! 🙏

[@NA-lf6ik]

Our boi putting out yet another banger ❤

[@lakithchandra8901]

Awesome video man

[@radomus8696]

Love your vids man. Cant believe you dont have more subs!!

[@ThunderGodTG]

My GOAT appreciate it 🙏🏻🔥

[@brassbeast8582]

sage mode is straight up stated and shown to be faster than KCM1. however the gap doesn't seem large, and once you get to kcm 2 and onward it gets overtaken

[@TheDON914]

FACTS

[@DubAct3]

Sage mode isn’t faster it has better precog so it’s better against people with extremely linear attacks like the 3rd raikage. It’s the same as how kakashi needed the sharingans precog to complete the chidori. Naruto needed sage modes precog(reactions) to counter attack the raikage

[@nedeemmalik]

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[@aleventador1234]

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[@samartcrafts_1910]

40:23 also remember that he throws a building sized rino so far and high that we never see it land

[@TheDON914]

Facts

[@DarkWorldxo]

Insane vid dog

[@ThunderGodTG]

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[@ThunderGodTG]

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[@Steven-rk3ky]

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[@Steven-rk3ky]

Multiple uploads in a week is goated

[@ThunderGodTG]

I had to step up after our last convo fr

[@Steven-rk3ky]

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[@WorseintentionsWorseIntention]

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[@___________0Z0X]

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[@kongchengthao9764]

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[@CH1C4N0444]

I need a KCM 1 vs Sage Mode vs V2 6 Tails Cloak video now

[@Black_Guy]

Fun video. I'll be honest, I don't like the time limit Kishimoto put on sage mode for two reasons. First, there's no time limit on the sharingan. Even if MS can't be over used, the three tomoe sharingan can be used until chakra is fully depleted. Secondly, if sage mode is created by properly fusing and balancing nature energy with the body's physical and spiritual energy, wouldn't sage mode only run out when all the physical and spiritual energy run out seeing as they all need to be balanced. The logic doesn't quite fit.

[@TheDON914]

BEST COMMENT ☝ aye fuck kishi for that .

[@AlanJia8]

I think KCM vs pure Blind Madara no Sage Mode would be more interesting but great vid!

[@caleb3639]

great concept

[@Enlightenment4035]

I think Edo Nagato never used that sensing amp mode but that can have an explanation and is that Kabuto diden't know Nagato was a sensory type (Itachi told Kabuto that Nagato found him sensing his chakra and Kabuto was like 🤨? Shit) I also don't think that the AUTOMATIC mode of the edo Tensei can use moves that the caster of the technique diden't programmed before with the tag.

[@DarkEye-re9zg]

He does seem to use this amp just before itachi cuts his arms off but it doesn't seem to do anything with his sensing as when sensing amaterasu, his pupils are small.

[@vaughnjackson6297]

There is no sensing mode amp😂that's all head canon😂. This happens when pain is focused on something similar to OG naruto vs Sasuke we see sasukes pupil size increase when he is focusing on naruto(trying to see narutos movements)which is different from a dojutsu increase

[@Pain-106]

Madara senceed Hashirama.. And Sasuke in Boruto sence Naruto in another dimension which he never did that with ms or ems so basically sensory is Rinnigan ability but Kabuto don't know that... ​@@vaughnjackson6297

[@ThunderGodTG]

Kabuto is good with the Rinnegan but, he’s not as good as its natural user. Part of the Reason Nagato lost the way he did was just pure oversight on Kabuto’s part which he does a lot in the war. He’s even visibly displeased when he loses Nagato.

[@sran438]

Really love your videos. Great job.

[@deadprecidents]

Good video. Another thing to note for Sage mode getting stronger is by the end of the series is that Naruto no longer has to hold back the Nine Tails trying to fuck up his chakra control..remember that Naruto became a perfect sage in spite of the nine tails constantly trying fight for control and mess up his own chakra control. Sage mode ties directly to the amount of chakra you have as I believe it’s just a matching of energy. So imagine you suddenly can access ALL of your chakra and no longer have to fight a massive chakra entity internally. Yeah. He’ll get a lot stronger and quicker with the draw 😂😂 people forget Naruto’s top3 chakra in the verse WITHOUT kurama.

[@TheDON914]

BIG FACTS ☝ PROLLY EVEN TOP 5

[@Kobofromda512]

Great Video TG! Do Edo Itachi and Nagato vs war arc Madara!

[@maxmustermann5682]

I like your content. Haven't seen any HxH or my hero academia stuff on your channel tho. What would you say about Phantom Troupe vs League of Villans? I think it would be a good and close matchup (:

[@ExoticZah]

TG I love your videos, you inspired me to stay consistent. I just reached over 300 thousand channel views!

[@ExoticZah]

Document my come up

[@ThunderGodTG]

Congrats! More to come!

[@Arcadia_warlic]

If Kyūbi Mode goes to strike Gakidō instead of Gakidō being knocked out, Naruto might be pulled out of Kyūbi Mode like B was pulled out of Version 2 (which is arguably using more chakra than Naruto's Kyūbi Mode since B has full access to Hachibi's chakra in that state, whilst Naruto is only using a portion of Kurama's [albeit, Kurama has more chakra to begin with], which can also apply to his own Version 2), and Gakidō still being in the fight by that point would then change other interactions as it would keep getting in the way of Naruto's ninjutsu, so I would not say it is all comparable, and it mitigates the reach of his chakra arms. Also likely a moot point if one thinks that Kakashi got exponentially stronger, but Kakashi was keep pace if not outdoing Kyūbi Mode in the war, and Pain had no issue keeping up with him for the most part. 15:40 this should have been edited to mention the previously uploaded video, methinks. Naruto and Sasuke lost their Six Paths link after sealing Kaguya. Naruto might have internalized the ability to sense negative emotions through Kurama, though, as he seems to sense Momoshiki and Kinshiki's arrival in base. Sage Mode might not be able to resist a soul pull long enough for Itachi's Susanoo to recuse him compared to Kyūbi Mode. Kyūbi Mode trying to lift blocks shattered them outright, and Naruto obviously is aware of how to handle Sage Mode levels of strength, which may suggest Kyūbi Mode is physically stronger. Naruto entered Sage Mode instantly when trying to escape Genbu. The issue is it causes it to not last as long.

[@ThunderGodTG]

We know even none sensory Shinobi can sense large enough chakra’s like Taka Sensing Naruto during the war so I don’t necessarily agree with the hatred sensing point. You let me handle the editing decisions my man. The block smashing arguments aren’t bad but, I think they more so suggest Naruto just has no finess over his power similar to him smashing his foot in a wall. He may not be used to chakra itself being that strong as opposed to his physical body.

[@redworm93]

we forget naruto just learned how to use sage mode when he fought pain. i think thats really why he could only use it for 5 minutes, he “mastered” it but was still a novice at using it in battle.

[@jasminetberi6702]

You really are entertaining

[@meowsquared]

Before watching I wanna give my two cents: KCM seems to be the more versatile form. It has negative emotion sensing, superior speed, chakra arms that neg the need for clones to make rasengans and rasenshurikens at that point, and presumably Naruto also has the benefits of amped up regeneration since we've seen that Kurama's chakra offers that. But Sage mode seems to be less costly to use, has the benefits of senjutsu-based precognition, and FAR better attack potency, at least until Naruto develops KCM2 The reason I give AP to sage mode is because the frog kata is shown and stated to be able to attack omnidirectionally without the need for physical contact, AND completely bypasses durability to destroy vital spots directly. So frog kata just has durability negation, full stop. Not only that, but sage mode can be replenished indefinitely, so long as Naruto can either find the time or finesse a clone elsewhere to charge him up. Lastly, Sage mode gives such a durability increase that even Pain, who was still vastly above Naruto by that point in their fight, was wary to approach Naruto until his sage mode was completely depleted; Naruto even expresses genuine doubt that Pain could even damage him while he had sage mode, and any time Naruto is using it, he straight up outclasses Pain in hand to hand. All of this to say I think KCM is faster and a lot more versatile, but sage mode is far superior by this point in terms of straight up combat.

[@Micheluzumakidekonoha4783]

😂😂😅kcm2 >>> kcm1 > mode sage >> naruto mode futon shurinken

[@TheDON914]

To put it short , if Naruto had sage mode throughout that fight , it would've BEEN over ALOT sooner.

[@TheDON914]

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[@treylearns634]

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[@ThunderGodTG]

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[@ThunderGodTG]

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[@MG-zx3px]

I'm gonna throw my two cents in before the video and say Pain gets absolutely curb stomped by KCM1. Pain's only real win condition is planetary devestation, though it comes down to wether or not he'd survive to use it (he wouldn't in my opinion). Sage Naruto gets slapped by the Raikage, by Madara. Against Obito I actually think he'd do better than KCM 1 considering Frog Kumite wouldn't be sensed by Obito, meaning he couldn't really use Kamui effectively and considering base guy kept up with Obito (neither had any reason to hold back), Sage Naruto is just fine in terms of stats. I think he'd get overwhelmed by the reanimated tailed beast hosts. Itachi and Nagato are really interesting fights considering Nagato is the second most busted member of the Akatsuki. Naruto could summon for the rinnegan monsters, Frog Kumite is busted again. I don't think the end result would change but it's a different fight nonetheless. Tldr Sage Mode is busted.

[@matthewbitter532]

War arc sage mode Naruto would also destroy pein. People don't realize Naruto's sage mode during pein arc was still experimental as he still couldn't enter it without the oil and at mount myoboku. The clones had to be summon which was a time consuming process. It was only until Naruto's fight against kurama did we get to see how busted his sage mode was, some of his feats in sage mode surpasses his kcm 1 feats. Eg: he created 25 ultra big ball rasengans (same size as the one that killed momoshiki) at the same time with shadow clones and still had enough for a rasenshuriken, he took down raikage in 1 blow, former the biggest rasenshuriken we've ever seen against Madara, harmed juubito with just a single rasengans. In pein arc, Naruto sage mode had a limit of 2 rasenshurikens before he's out, in the war arc he could throw up to 6 with shadow clones, halving his chakra each time as he do so.

[@MG-zx3px]

@@matthewbitter532 A single rasengan is devestating, Naruto used the raikages technique against him. He mightve learned how to do more techniques but I dont think he surpasses KCM in raw power

[@TheDON914]

ONLY reason pain pinned Naruto to the ground was thanks to sage mode having a shorter time limit , otherwise the fight would've been over MUCH sooner , not to mention in a one v one , pain couldn't hang with sage Naruto in hand to hand , an had he absorbed it's chakra instead of that other pain ? It's GGS lol the nine tails wasn't even needed in that fight.

[@MG-zx3px]

@@TheDON914 It wasnt the duration, imo. It was the energy consumption but overall yeah it didn't last. Don't forget though it was also an IQ advantage since Naruto had loads of intel. Also Pain had chibaku tensei

[@TheEternalFlame57]

Jerry approves this KCM video

[@theyoungfamily8295]

The way I explain Sage Mode Vs KCM1 Sage Modes Stats are: Strength: 8. Speed: 8. Durability: 8. Sage Sensory: 10. KCM1: Strength: 9. Speed: 9. Durability: 9. Negative Emotion Sensory: 7. - Okay IF someone with a speed of 10 or 11. Is coming at Naruto with KCM1. Naruto could possibly react to them. Via being able to sense their emotions. But it would take a minute to adjust to their speed. So he is still dodging but it takes him 5 seconds before he can actually identify the person. The adjust and move out of the way of said target coming. - Sage mode on the other hand is similar in speed to KCM1. So if someone with the speed of 10 or 11 comes at him. His Sage Sensory not only alerts Naruto way before they even move or where they're at. Because it can perceive movements faster. It only takes him two seconds to adjust to the speed of the person and dodge. While he is not dodging as fast as he would with KCM1 or doing as much damage. The ability to prepare for and react to the attack quicker. Makes the sensory worth it. Vs the stats you would get with KCM1.

[@Izanna3]

Thumbnail game on point

[@ThunderGodTG]

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[@JohnS-dp1mm]

W Video!

[@johnthomas6073]

Getting high on the ninetails chakra! Just in time for 4/20! 😤😶‍🌫

[@MZOver]

We all know KCM and SM pales into comparison with ThunderMeow Chakra Mode

[@terminalarray1047]

Deva path Pain also did the enhanced perception thing in the anime to block Sage Jiraiyas punch when the animal path couldn't react

[@Enlightenment4035]

I would love to see you making a video about the Akatsuki vs the Shinobi alliance (no 8 gates guy) you can give Orochimaru and Akatsuki Taka to the Akatsuki if you want

[@Jesscresent76]

One thing people forget is that Kushina’s chains kind of seal and restrict a person or entities Strength/Chakra, so even if it was at full power after Kushina uses the chains on Kurama he should be significantly weaker

[@justthefacts6902]

Naruto at the time of his statment about sasuke was not aware of the uchiha’s going blind with over usage of the MS. Almost no one was at that point. As far as Naruto knew, sasuke could STILL activate his MS, and just probably didn’t do so because he was fatigued. People need to stop pretending that Naruto was talking about sasuke in his current state. Naruto was predicting a FUTURE battle between them. Where sasuke would no longer be fatigued. He has an idea of what sasuke is capable of so Naruto makes this statment based off of all of the crazy things sasuke pulled off in this arc because this is what Naruto IS aware of. He knows nothing about the MS yet. Also it’s a stretch to make the random assumption that Naruto is for some reason referring to hatred when he says he needs kuramas chakra to defeat sasuke. Honestly just sounds like cope to me. But hey tell yourselves whatever you need to help you sleep at night lol. Also using sasuke’s statment about needing Itachi’s eyes to claim he needed more power to defeat Naruto is extremely disingenuous. Sasuke says that he needs Itachi’s eyes because more than ANYTHING he needs to SEE… It’s amazing to me that almost everyone ignores the fact that sasuke is almost completely blind at the time of this statement…

[@ThunderGodTG]

Completely irrelevant as Sasuke has even less of a metric to judge off of and he comes to the same conclusion. You’d be essentially saying Sasuke thinks he also loses based on Base Naruto’s feats which makes no sense he’d slaughter that Naruto. Naruto thinking Sasuke can keep using MS adds to what I said with Naruto sensing that and basing Sasuke’s strength on those showings. Naruto had no idea what Sasuke did this arc, he legit is basing it off of what he sensed and his encounter with Sasuke. All he knew was that Sasuke attacked the summit. You could never prove anything other than that as Naruto was no where near the summit nor had sensed it. He was just told of the events roughly by Gaara. Which I mean you can’t argue means Naruto used it as a scaling point since he is baffled & surprised by the Raikage’s speed later on who was prob in Gaara’s explanation. This next point ignores every ounce of the story and what’s happening with Naruto’s character in favor for mindless blanket statements. It ignores the cycle of hatred & Naruto’s approach to it handling it via Sasuke’s own hatred, Naruto at this point in the story was looking for a solution for the Cycle of Hatred which Sasuke had embodied and deduced he would never be able to deal with Sasuke’s hatred if he couldn’t deal with his own along with Naruto realizing Indra was present inside Sasuke, along with Naruto not wanting to risk the village in a similar situation to pain - after this arc Naruto did want to return to the leaf to wait to fight Sasuke so he fully planned on fighting him there. While Sasuke does need to see the blindness wasn’t the main issue for him it was a subsequent result, but at the end of the Danzo fight despite having degraded his eyes HEAVILY he still was going to go to Konoha. The blindness happened to line up with the express purpose being to crush Naruto - Sasuke also guns for Naruto right after EMS and says he’s going to where he is. I’m fine with saying 5KS over SM like that’s an entirely acceptable stance and one I’m partial to but, these points are extremely disingenuous. You don’t have to make these types of arguments or ignore what’s actually happening in the series to say Sasuke wins.

[@justthefacts6902]

@@ThunderGodTG well it’s relevant because a lot of people make it seem as if Naruto thought he’d be fighting a blind sasuke which is just stupid. Obviously in Naruto’s head the next time he and sasuke meet sasuke will have recovered to full strength, and be using his MS again. Sasuke doesn’t come to that conclusion. If sasukes eyes weren’t giving out then he’d have fought Naruto right then and there. It’s not that sasuke thought he needed more power to defeat Naruto, it’s that sasuke could no longer see. And obito says the exact same thing after sasuke’s fight with danzo, and on their way back to obito’s hideout. Naruto may not know the specifics, but he knows sasuke obviously now scales somewhere around the 5 kage because he’s attacked them and survived from what gaara told him. Similarly to how sasuke just knows Naruto beat pain. Sasuke doesn’t know pain like Naruto doesn’t know the 5 kage. But sasuke does know pain is one of the strongest shinobi of their time as the leader of the akataski. Also correct me if I’m wrong but sasuke actually reaches the full potential of his MS power when fighting Kakashi. He unlocked the armored susano when he power started to spike. Why do you believe Naruto didn’t sense this? “I’ll need the kyuubi’s chakra to fight sasuke” I agree that narratively it make perfect sense for Naruto to want to overcome kuramas HATRED before trying to take on sasuke’s. My only problem is that if that was the case then why didn’t Naruto just say that? Why do we as readers have to do these mental gymnastics to twist his statment of NEEDING kuramas chakra to fight sasuke, to needing to overcome kuramas hatred to fight sasuke? This just seems like a way of coping imo. You can’t seriously think that sasuke being blind wasn’t THE problem. The blindness was 100% sasuke’s problem aside from the pure agony his body was in. Sasuke doesn’t flee with obito because he thinks he’s not strong enough. Let’s create a scenario where sasuke could still fight Naruto in that moment. Say he wasn’t going blind, and zetsu healed him back to full strength. Sasuke would STILL CONFIDENTLY fight Naruto 1v1 in that moment. Do you disagree? Because if not, then you’d have to recant your original argument. Sasuke doesn’t think he needs an increase in power to defeat Naruto. He obviously needs to freaking see lol. So he tells obito it’s time to transplant Itachi’s eyes because he wants to crush Naruto. How on earth is sasuke going to do that if he can’t even see? He’s not a sensory so his vision at this point in the story is absolutely essential. Saying it’s not is just so stupid and disingenuous. I personally believe FKS sasuke was stronger than sage Naruto by a pretty substantial amount. All of sasukes MS abilities kind of neg sage Naruto like Amaterasu, flame control, heck just regular genjutsu oneshots. It’s makes so much sense that Naruto would claim he needed to master Kuramas chakra because ONLY with it can naruto hard counter all of sasukes MS abilities. I think Kcm Naruto is more relative to MS sasuke and actually has the edge. That’s just more narratively accurate with what kishimoto wrote. People always try to downplay sasuke but on the contrary kishimoto goes out of his way to convince us of his strength with statments such as these. “I’ll need the kyuubis chakra to fight sasuke”… and still fans try to twist the statment to downplay sasuke lol.

[@ThunderGodTG]

First point is irrelevant as it doesn’t matter what “most people” think. I’m concerned about the points I made and your issue with them. I do agree Sasuke would have fought Naruto there and then as he did but, after discovering he and Naruto would take each other out he was clearly unsatisfied and wanted to put himself a tier above that with EMS. Understanding the narrative behind the story and Naruto ver batum stating he’s attempting to deal with the cycle of hatred, quite literally begging the Raikage about it is not mental gymnastics. It’s just looking at the story for more than 2 seconds and thinking logically not just seeing “I need the nine tails chakra” and ignoring everything outlining it which was also outlined quite extensively in the previous arc. Naruto sensing Sasuke peak out hatred wise is not only said in the video but, adds to my argument again as he literally thinks that’s how strong Sasuke is and is basing it off that. Which adds to him having a better metric of Sasuke strength wise than Sasuke does for him which makes the two of them seeing their own deaths if they fought more valid. The Blind point is obvious of course he needs Itachi’s eyes at that point since he’s blind, but again right this is where you have to read the story friend. Sasuke hated the scenario Itachi wanted and vehemently went against getting his eyes, even again when he was near blind towards the end of the summit, Naruto being the main thing that spurred it with him also just needing new eyes. They’re not mutually exclusive, he can need new eyes due to being blind while Naruto is the main thing that spurs it on since they both saw their own deaths. I don’t care for the mini analysis of Naruto vs Sasuke here as that’s not what I’m interested in tackling. If you say 5KS > SM again that’s entirely fine I said before I’m partial to that stance but a lot of what was said in these responses were not valid. I don’t have a problem with your stance, but the arguments being made. Powerscaling is a big part of Naruto but actually ignoring every story aspect, theme, narrative, character motivation is not good analysis, and playing it off as “mental gymnastics” is insane. We can agree to disagree of course I just implore you to not use these types of argument as they’re outdated and ignore the series itself in favor for more simplistic thinking.

[@justthefacts6902]

@@ThunderGodTG true it doesn’t matter what most people think. What matters here is what Naruto thinks. And we can’t just sit here and pretend that naruto thinks he’d be fighting a blind sasuke I mean cmon… Naruto not knowing the effects of over using the MS is EXTREMELY relevant. Because it’s the difference between naruto thinking he’s fighting a full power MS sasuke, and just a blind sasuke at the time of the statement. I do understand the narrative that’s why I said you’d have a fair point IF we didn’t have to go out of our way to take such a simple statement out of context. Naruto simply says he needs the kyuubi chakra to fight sasuke. From just these 9 words your going on an unbelievable stretch claiming that he’s ACTUALLY some how referring to hatred in that moment… Yes that makes sense, I’m not denying that at all. But you have to admit that you are doing mental gymnastics on that one because it’s NOWHERE NEAR what Naruto actually says lol. He SIMPLY says “I need the kyuubis chakra to fight sasuke”. So just to be clear, Naruto did sense sasukes power when he manifested the armored susano against kakashi? Your right, sasuke originally did not want Itachi’s eyes simply because he disagreed with Itachi. Strange logic, but this was sasuke’s reasoning for not getting the ems at first, and he even tells this to obito. And obito actually brings this conversation back up to sasuke when sasuke changed his mind about getting Itachi’s eyes. To which sasuke responds he will crush Naruto. The fact that sasuke was WILLING to fight Naruto in that moment PROVES his power was not the problem, but his blindness. Because if sasuke thought he needed more power to defeat Naruto then why would he be willing to fight him in that moment? Thats why it just makes WAYYY more sense that sasuke simply wants to return his vision more than increase his power. He doesn’t even know what kind of power increase Itachi’s eyes will give him. For all sasuke knew he’d just be getting his eye sight back with MAYBE a little less draw back when using his MS abilities from not damaging his eyes so much.

[@ThunderGodTG]

@@justthefacts6902 Yeah to the reason it's not mental gymnastics is cause naruto mentions the Pain attack in the same page and how he doesn't want to risk another incident like what happened. Which makes sense since he was gonna go back to the leaf to wait for Sasuke, on top of the scene with Indra being inside Sasuke being very close to this as well with Naruto saying simply killing Sasuke solves nothing. Again it coincides with the previous statment, he wants to master the Nine Tails Power to make himself stronger along with all the narrative and reasons I listed previously, they're not mutually exclusive in any sort of capcity. Naruto does sense Sasuke before he burns out yes, he was tracking Kakashi's chakra the entire time and would have sensed sasuke in proximity. The Sasuke not minding fighting naruto point is actually helping my argument, b/c sasuke is FULLY willing to engage with bro despite being blind, it wasn't at the forefront of his mind Naruto was. Again they're not mutually exclusive it's a mix of Naruto being strong and him and Sasuke high diffing each other along with Sasuke being blind.. Naruto and Sasuke's power ups are not simply for the sake of power it's part of it but, not the whole thing. It'd be like saying Sasuke saw Base Naruto and was like aight I need an EMS to fight this dude despite never even seeing sage Mode. You'd never make that argument b/c it's horrible but, for some reason people reverse that onto Naruto despite it also being a horrendous argument. Again I got no probs with 5KS > SM but, my main point throughout the convo is that using the interaction between the two at the end of the summit blankly to spin sasuke as > isn't good since if you twist it around you can start making the same arguments for Naruto, it's just a weird thing people have done a lot in the community and I have no idea why.

[@GhasTown]

This may be a bit too much to ask, but it fascinates me, and I can't find any place that goes in-depth about this. Would you mind making a video on the differences between Sage Mode and KCM, plus their respective power levels, and how they differ? Specifically, Sage Mode Naruto and KCM Naruto instead of Sage Mode vs. KCM, if that's interesting or worthwhile.

[@HollowDragon_2119]

Damn only 20 views in 2min . Sucks. Jk jk lol appreciate the content bro 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@ThunderGodTG]

Blasphemous ass statement right here lmao

[@QdamasterAnimations]

@@ThunderGodTGkeep doing gods work bro 🔥🔥

[@HollowDragon_2119]

@@ThunderGodTG lmao 😂

[@CH1C4N0444]

One last comment cus, fuck it, but: Bark God on top, we love the Thunder Woof content 🙏

[@uviwekuro]

TG bro could you please do an analysis on the pain arc as a whole especially the ending... Like do you think the resurrection at the end made the arc cheap or do you feel the arc overall was great 🙏🙏 I would like to have your thoughts on the matter oh and great content as always 😅

[@Archer170]

It was very cheap.Definitely an editorial move but jiraiya’s death still gives it more stake than the war arc.

[@ThunderGodTG]

I def want to tackle some narrative analysis in the future just kinda pondering what topic

[@uviwekuro]

@@ThunderGodTG please consider this one cause personally I don't think it's necessarily bad just because it develops Narutos motivation to end the cycle of hatred but I don't know maybe it's just me 🤷🤷

[@kaison12205]

Wait finally someone has a take on sage mode that’s like mine Like boy my hot take on Naruto power scaling (or at least it seems like a hot take) People often seem to overstate the power difference between Kcm 1 and sage mode, often due to calcs and the fact that kcm 1 “seems stronger” and it is a little but not much stronger at all. Rather it seems to be on a similar level to sage mode maybe a little stronger but the advantages are more in other areas like stamina/duration and techniques/abilities and raw movement speed. Now let’s get into why 1st minato implies sage mode would not be enough to overcome the masked man and that Naruto would have to master the nine tails to be at that level. Kcm 1 isn’t Naruto mastering the ninetails. That’s Kcm 2 so that is what minato was likely referring to. This is supported by minato himself having Kcm 2 and therefore possibly knowing about it (if his sealed soul and fragment of chakra inside of Naruto share consciousness. Which they seem to as minato seems aware of that experience when he comes back.) 2: Kcm 1 and sage mode get interchanged a lot throughout the war arc this wouldn’t make sense unless the boost is in fact comparable and the primary difference is just movement speed and stamina which Kcm is better for. 3: Naruto uses sage mode to help him beat down kurama, Kcm 1 Naruto would be weaker than the kurama sage Naruto fought (as Kcm 2 is when he has all the power and has essentially mastered it by forming a friendship with kurama) Now sage Naruto had assistance from his mom and bee so he’d be a little weaker than kurama’s full power. So both Kcm 1 and sage mode are both a little weaker than the full power of Naruto’s kurama meaning as boosts they’d be comparable. 4: if the kurama avatar is comparable to a full bijuu transformation that would make Kcm 2 akin to v2 with bones and Kcm 1 likened to the 4 tails this interpretation removes far more power scaling contradictions and actually fixes a lot of the power discrepancies brought along by the war arc. And guess what 4 tails Naruto is about above sannin level which lo and behold is where sage mode Naruto’s power level is. So again while I think Kcm 1 is a little above pain arc sage Naruto I actually think this is more due to Naruto’s base getting a little stronger as opposed to any significant power difference between the forms. Since his base didn’t grow that ludicrously strong from pain to the war arc (he was already around kakashi’s level by the time of the pain arc and kakashi was considered the best candidate power wise to be hokage meaning base Naruto would be approaching the top joinin-low kage level) Kcm 1 Naruto is really not that much stronger than sage Naruto in the pain arc and is likely equal to his war arc sage variant simply having way more stamina. So yea I think sage Naruto does well against the kage. And oh look through this interpretation I’ve increased the consistency of shippuden power scaling massively. I wonder if this is the more rational interpretation of what kishimoto wrote and intended.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Man of culture 🤝🏻

[@kaison12205]

@@ThunderGodTG weirdly enough I was thinking about this today found this video left this comment and then saw you made basically the same arguments which was wild Good vid

[@sir_mystic4127]

Naruto picking up Kurama and the other bjuu is a slepted on strength feat

[@TheDON914]

FACTS

[@maalikserebryakov]

Lol Kurama is made of chakra. He has no mass

[@sir_mystic4127]

@@maalikserebryakov That's arguable, I'm pretty sure bro does

[@cesar6004]

6:52 So Pain has Michael's ability from GTA 5?

[@maalikserebryakov]

Michael is actually part Uchiha

[@cesar6004]

@@maalikserebryakov 😮

[@maalikserebryakov]

Pain: “So this is pain”

[@codeshak9962]

Good v9deooo

[@GhasTown]

AGGH!! I wanted this video before you even existed as a KZbinr! Also apologies my old KZbin account got BANNED and erased from the universe but THUNDER GOD IS THE ONE AND ONLY Naruto creator i truly fw like that. Gotta love Swag and Six but TG is THE nigga (ik ur race just accept it you're my nigga xD). This mf does baki, Naruto, Asura, GoW, and more. Truly an underrated creator

[@ThunderGodTG]

This comment had me ROLLING 😂😂 I appreciate that a fuck ton fam

[@yinsomniac4128]

36:00 what did he say!!!???

[@cxpidheartsx.]

whenever when naruto was at war and fighting pain some people wouldnt die unless u had sage mode.

[@LuiopK]

I mean Naruto mentioned that he is way stronger than before and even has sensory type but more experienced Naruto Sage Mode that allows a user to absorb chakra from nature, known as Senjutsu chakra, and make it their own strength. that's why he gets Strength and Durability probably battle IQ.

[@vertoij]

the voice crack at the intro💀

[@ThunderGodTG]

Cmon bro don’t do me like that

[@vertoij]

@@ThunderGodTG wild

[@maalikserebryakov]

@@vertoijnpc

[@naknowbte5951]

idk if this has been done before, but what if Naruto had KCM when he came back from the time skip. Then he can unlock sage mode before pain and during the fight kurama becomes friends with naruto and then BAM KCM2.

[@TheDON914]

He'd be the strongest in the verse .

[@czms922]

So kcm is Like Ultra instinct, and Sage mode is Super Saiyan God. In most cases ultra instinct is better, but sage mode is easier to maintain and has some small things that arent in the kcm

[@TheDON914]

Sage mode is more " Mystic " similar states

[@runeuchihawhatifsandgaming3783]

Hmmm, the only issue with KCM vs pein is n9 having sage modes senses, he doesn5 have the ability to sense everything around him, he does have emotion sensing though, but he can’t sense all attacks. He can also get his energy absorbed by the preta path, that’s the only issue, sure he’s stronger and has more chakra for jutsu, but he loses the hacks.

[@TheDON914]

Ever since his fight in the last aginst toneri ? I'm convinced he's a space buster .

[@BlessedOrri]

I always said this in Naruto and Sasuke final fight in there little hand to hand sequel in the beginning (which is filler btw) I wish Naruto would’ve evened the playing fields by going into sage mode since sasuke had sharingan and rinnegan active and swapped hands with him Naruto would’ve beat the dog goofy out of him that joint would’ve been so funny but nah he was holding back. 😭😭

[@justamago9602]

It would be funny If You do a Deva Path at Full Power (Nagato Full Focusing his energy on him) against The 6 Six Paths of Pain (In the Rain or the Leaf Village)

[@benogle4951]

Team up of edo Itachi, Nagato, and Minato vs Madara all at the same time

[@chrisvthe122]

9:45 😂😂😂😂😂😂 nah no cap Sakura timing was so ass she really been holding my boy back from day 1

[@CH1C4N0444]

Also, since you asked our thoughts on Sage Mode vs 4th Raikage Aye; I personally lean towards Naruto winning that match up, mid diff. Firstly, we know that the Base Sannin should be above the Kage (multiple statements in series and in the databooks ro support this) and we know that Sage Mode Naruto is above Sage Mode Jiraiya who should be above the Base Sannin. So, Sage Mode Naruto>Sage Mode Jiraiya>Base Sannin>4th Raikage. Secondly, upon hearing of Pain's defeat OM Obito tells MS Sasuke he's no match for Naruto and it isn't until after Sasuke has multiple power ups that Naruto (a Naruto who was accidentally poisened by one of the greatest medical ninja in the world at time, which NO ONE mentions BY THE WAY) considers Sasuke an equal. And just to have another quick scaling chain: Sage Mode Naruto~MS Sasuke>Danzo>4th Raikage Aye. I will say, I don't think that the Sage Mode Naruto just wipes the floor with 4th Raikage Aye, but I do think he wins more often than not. Also, while he definitely had help from Mount Myoboku in the Pain fight, its not like summoning the toads is outside the question for him. He can summon these toads whenever he wants and Fukasaku in particular is incredibly overlooked considering he was physically brawling with Sage Mode Naruto on more or less equal footing. His only concern at the time being Naruto wasn't taught Frog Kumite yet, since by his own words Naruto already mastered Sage Mode. All that to say, yea Naruto probably wins mid diff agaianst 4th Raikage Aye.

[@vaughnjackson6297]

So sm naruto beats ms sasuke then mid diff😂.ay cooks sasuke(yes sasuke was holding back with his full susanoo but the outcome would have been the same) sasuke cooks danzo but ay is weaker than danzo😂

[@geron0041]

Pain locked in is some kakuzu pure durability shit.

[@WZ4RD3]

9 tails mode is instantly scraping

[@clueXX.]

Another vid lfg

[@username2168]

Why are colors in the manga negative?

[@PinoHolly04]

strenght: sage mode Speed: kcm Power: kcm Chakra: kcm Perception: sage mode Time limit: kcm Abilities: both IQ: same Battle IQ: sage mode (is it only me or does sage mode actually make naruto smarter?😅😂) Close range: sage mode Long range: kcm Limitations: kcm (sage mode has clones limitations) Durability: tbh idk, I guess sage mode?

[@twocents3050]

I feel like this either isn't as interesting as it seems or is a niche idea, because objectively one form is weaker than the other on a technical basis but the utility the other gives is scale tipping.

[@KerrangR]

Quick question does Naruto need sage mode to throw the rasenshuriken?

[@ThunderGodTG]

Yes at least during like mid Shippuden it’s talked about on the Databook his durable body allows to use the technique with no lashback

[@Pack52022]

Genuine question why does Naruto and minato have kyuubi chakra modes and the ten tails madara and obito had a kyuubbi link mode but every other jinchiriki doesn't? A plot whole or is there some in universe reason?

[@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy]

Funnily enough, roshi has a chakra mode and its when he covers hinself in lava. But yeah its official name is named a chakra mode. But as for the other jinchuriki? Yeah idk

[@BlessedOrri]

The fact that people say “pain wasn’t that impressive”. Is insane MS Sasuke not even touching pain mans got man handled by killer bee. And couldn’t even beat the 4th raikage. The fact that people keeps trying to downplay Naruto feats to put Sasuke on a pedestal is insane when in reality MS Sasuke not beating pain nor doing as good as Naruto did vs pain. Mans struggled and almost died against danzo if he didn’t have Karin Sasuke would’ve most definitely died against danzo insane work. Stop it Sage Naruto Scales slightly above Five Kage Summit Sasuke easily even Zetsu stated that Naruto was stronger than Sasuke at that moment. Stop it!!!! Mind you Sasuke struggled and barely won against Danzo someone who’s equal to Hanzo if we’re being honest I’ll put hanzo a lil above danzo. And pain legit killed Hanzo and had Hanzo so shocked he asked pain “where did you get all this power”. Stop it. Pain would absolutely cook MS Sasuke. He’ll go blind mid fight.