WHAT IF | Each Akatsuki Duo vs Naruto/Konoha

[@ThunderGodTG]

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[@gr81disp]

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[@ThunderGodTG]

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[@V-Battousai98]

I think you're not taking into consideration the tailed beast release conditions. What if orochimaru kills Sakura or hinata infront of him and Naruto could show up at any point during the infiltration

[@imverygerby]

The thing with Itachi and Kisame against Naruto is that itachi ultimately is on the side of the leaf. Also technically as soon as itachi activates his eyes kotoamatsukami should activate

[@mjtcry4566]

Would it even affect itachi if it hit him? He already was supporting the leaf so it shouldn’t change his mindset at all. Maybe kisame though. That would be interesting

[@imverygerby]

@@mjtcry4566 yeah I think it would cause him to openly protect the leaf. It wouldn’t activate for kisame also with kisame being a chakra absorption guy he might get turned into a frog

[@Youngsickbacchus]

@@mjtcry4566it wouldn’t change his mindset but thats not what that koto does, Itachi was extremely aware of what he was controlled to do in the war arc, he knew why he was being controlled to do so and his body still moved on its own to protect the leaf. Therefore regardless of what Itachi thinks in the matter if hes hit with it again he will just take out the biggest threat to konoha that he’s at least aware of. Which in this case would be Kisame.

[@imverygerby]

@@Youngsickbacchusthanks for the follow up I was thinking the same thing.

[@Youngsickbacchus]

@@imverygerby no prob I like pointing out shit like that

[@austinherzog8465]

Deidara alone is a massive problem for the leaf village, C3 is decimating half those fools.

[@giannixx]

I contend that the artist duo have a real chance of capturing Naruto, specially if they overwhelm him to prevent him from replenishing the SM by summoning the clones. I mean, one can launch multiple guided missiles, the other has 100 puppets, and Naruto only needs to be hit once by Sasori.

[@themegacactus]

​@@giannixx theyre NOT allowed to kill naruto

[@6bluntsdeep]

​@yes thats ok Sasori can still cut his arms and legs and and sides and paralyze him

[@babaG819]

Deidara blasted Gaara to near death with one little spider. Precisely enough that he was alive but comatose, unable to fight. If he went somewhere in between with Naruto, it would likely end up the same. My point being that characters are as durable as plot dictates so anything is technically possible.

[@kevinmalcolm-du9fi]

@@giannixx yeah but kakashi can kamui it

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

Hidan and kakazu is something I'd call mission impossible in this situation Hidan is getting taking out pretty quickly I love kakazu but he's definitely not that guy 💀

[@whatwhy6349]

Kakuzu raw durability tho

[@painvillegaming4119]

@@whatwhy6349 tsunade fist in jaw tho

[@55thstreet66]

@@whatwhy6349 LMAO Tsunade was boxing susano in war arc lil bro Kakuzu ain't tanking her punches

[@whatwhy6349]

@@55thstreet66 you missed the whole point. Noone can compete with raw durability of the goat 🐐 kakuzu. Durability so raw Gordon Ramsay will kick your ass out of the kitchen.

[@KeizerSosebee]

If Kakazu didn’t have a shitty teammate he might be able to do it. He’s a monster.

[@kuelimika]

As for Sasori and Deidara vs the leaf village. You guys completely dismissed the anbu and the other clans who actually dealt with pain summons. Ibiki is another powerful jonin. Choza Akimochi is a powerful shinobi too.

[@meetthemoo225]

Exactly , sasori and deidara vs naruto Alone is different but sasori and deidara against anbu+kakashi, the aburame clan that took 0 losses against Konan , etc it’s a whole different story . Kakashi has way different mastery over kamui and could more likely than not snipe deidaras head. The aburame clans bugs can become immune to sasoris poison given a little time in battle (shown by shino) etc. tbh the huge sealing statues/space time ninjutsu the anbu used against pains summons could even potentially best deidara permanently at the very least and catch him off guard even in the air . How sasori gets sealed is anyones guess though , naruto himself can’t seal him until he learns magnet style rasengan a couple arcs later.

[@IllusorySpectre]

@MeetTheMoo22 you do not even need to seal sasori you just need to destroy his core.

[@gjahmato8704]

Ibiki is not a Jonin, he's tokubetsu Jonin. This means he's a chunin who is an expert in torture and interrogations, so he isn't really that strong considering the skill that makes him a Jonin is not strength based

[@Sweetlesishere]

@@meetthemoo225 I think it was foolish of them to assume Deidara wouldn't be forced to use C3, considering Pain's chaotic shinra Tensei was used in a similar manner. I think C3 would deal with a lot of them, forcing Tsunade to remain healing. I don't think Kakashi can snipe Deidara's head off given Deidara is fast enough to fight Ohnoki

[@meetthemoo225]

@@IllusorySpectre he can transfer his conscious to different puppets before being 1 shot

[@toze2145]

9:00 Yura wasn't made to be a spy through mind control, he was Sasori's spy and his true allegiance was sealed by Sasori, so others would discover it or distrust Yura

[@SupaYoshiXP]

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[@uchiharainy]

i'd be interested in seeing how you would scale the individual paths of pain. each of them were taking on 2-5 jonin at a time and we only ever see that from S-Rank ninja but then i'm not sure if a single path could beat people like Hidan, Suigetsu, or Jugo and i wouldn't consider them s-rank so its a but weird.

[@mjtcry4566]

Maybe it’s just their abilities that allow them to do so, rather than their physical stats rivaling the characters you mentioned above

[@r4nd0m1zer2]

I think it is really hard to accurately scale the power of 1 Path of Pain due to many uncertainties. When there are 6paths, the Deva Path is no doubt the strongest physically and durability wise and also has the strongest abilities. At the time of "Pain vs Naruto" the Deva path in close proximity to Nagato could debateably Chibaku Tensei GG easy every person alive except Obito. The durability difference of the paths always confused me, how could KoNoHaMAru defeat a Path with a Rasengan while the Deva path was swapping hands with 6tailsV2 Naruto. Its even more absurd in the Anime where he gets clobbered by the 4Tails for a bit as well. I just think its strange that the Paths would have such a large gap in durability for no reason since they all are chakra controlled corps-puppets. Because the Deva path has better abilities it would make sense for Nagato to unevenly distribute his chakra and prioritize the Deva path. Also, when there are 6 Paths, each of them is only "normal level smart" since Nagato is basically playing an MMORPG with 6 screens, keyboards and mouses at the same time and has to operate 6 characters at the same time. When the post Chibaku Tensei Deva Path fought vs Naruto Nagato was basically exhausted to death and fooled easily so we don't know how battlesmart he'd be if he were to fight with 1 path from the get go. To get back to my point, it could be the case that if Nagato was just sending in 1 Path to battle, he could boost the durability and physical abilities such as taijutsu of each Path to the level of the Deva Path that went head to head with Sage Naruto or even a bit further, since he wouldn't be fatigued. But if you think that line of thinking is headcanon bullsh I'd say the Paths rank like this 1. Deva 2. Animal 3. Asura 4. Preta 5./6. Human and Naraka The reason being that if you don't have hax or mega massive attavk potency you can't defeat the Dog and the Animal Path hiding on top of the Bird at the same time. The Asura Path has enough ap to rip off the arm of Sage Jiraiya who defeated the Human, Animal and Preta path on his own. Preta Path can absorb and Human and Naraka are more supporters. With the durability and physical ability boost theory I'd say each Path is at least superior to the 8Tails which would be crazy. Since Killer B < Raikage < old man Hiruzen < Orochimaru < Pain (without ChibakuTensei) < 6tailsV2 Naruto. With that theory the Preta Path becomes a beast that probably only can be taken down by the Totsuka Blade, Kamui and Hirudora. Basically taijutsu to keep up but not hurt Sage Naruto but chakra based attack nullification and the raw durability to just tank almost every physical attack.

[@uchiharainy]

@R4ND0M1ZER @R4ND0M1ZER I'm not sure I agree, for one i think I think there's a hard limit on how strong certain paths can be. The 1st animal path didn't seem any more impressive when it 1v1'd jiraiya vs when the 2nd animal path attacked the leaf. Also I don't consider getting one-shot by konohamaru as an anti feat because frankly who isn't getting one-shot by an off guard rasengan? You gotta remember the 2nd animal path wasnt even trying to block a fang over fang without using a corpse as a shield ahowing that they werent necessarily able to just tank hits from jonin class ninja. As far as the deva path vs v2 Naruto you gotta remember that v2 3/4 tails is sannin level for sure. Both jiraiya and oro took L's to 3/4 tailed Naruto so it's consistent that a stronger naruto's v2 4/6 tails would give problems to a sannin+ tier fighter. The way I see it in regards to scaling the individual paths is that the lower 4 paths are around Asuma level in strength, while the animal path is solidly kage level (only by virtue of the summons being stupidly strong) and the deva path is high kage.

[@r4nd0m1zer2]

@@uchiharainy What you say sounds very reasonable, dunno about the realive power of lower characters but I didn't see a large deviation in how I would rank it. Some extended thoughts (I'm bored out of my mind from studying banking all day) I was just having fun with a bit of rambling and thinking in the moment with that line of thought regarding chakra boosting the paths differently. I don't think it is the intent of the author but we can't say for sure. But I don't think I was doing something ridiculous either when I explored why the dead body that can push and pull things should be orders of magnitude more durable than the dead body that can summon big animals or rip out people's souls. At the end of the day they are all dead bodies with chakra rods in them with none of their original abilities. As for the 1st animal path vs Jiraiya, we don't know what the other paths were doing at the time. 2 got summoned immediately when Jiraya went sage mode after dealing with the animal summons. In Sage Mode Jiraiya owned 3 paths super easy and didn't even get hit once. Then the rest happened. I'm still confused how the Asura Path managed to "sneak" up on a sage mode user who has his sensory capabilities pushed to the moon and back but it happened. Regarding durability: Part 1 Kabuto tanked a Rasengan, granted he was on guard but still got hit with the Rasengan full on xD, but its not that bad to be defeated by it, I agree. Not sure about 3Tails Naruto being Sanin level since all he did was just punch an almost dead, nerfed arms Orochimaru in the face. The 4Tails is probably relative but still weaker to serious full power Sanin. It managed to land at least 1 clean hit on probably base Jiraiya. We got 1 panel of Jiraiya chilling on the ground next to a destroyed building asking Naruto if he didn't remember anything. If Naruto was rampaging vs Jiraiya as he was vs Orochimaru it is very unlikely that he went 4Tails, hit Jiraiya once and then just deactivated the form 1 second later. I mean it could have happened but I think there is enough circumstantial evidence be able to guess that more than just 1 attack was thrown. The 4Tails was stated to have enough ap to defeat the same nerfed and almost dead Orochimaru if his bijudama were to hit. We have absolutely no idea how a healthy Orochimaru with ninjutsu would do vs the 4Tails tho. Also no idea what sage Jiraiya could do. But there are not many people who could just tank a 4Tails bijudama to the face so low Sanin level seems to be a good spot for the 4Tails. The 4Tails was able to easily break out of the rinnegan rods after the Deva path defeated Sage Naruto, then 1 panel later Naruto went berserk and entered 6tails mode. Dunno if that means 4Tails > Sage Mode or if the 4Tails' properties were just more suited for the job. I'd say 6tails naruto, the one with bones, probably low dif shlapps everybody alive at the start of Shippuden at the time it was shown except for Pain, Itachi and Obito and arguably Guy. So where do I rank the 6 Paths individually... I'm really not experienced in thinking about and ranking the strenght of characters weaker than Hidan. I consider Hidan to be the entry point to the "Relevant tier" since he is the weakest Akatsuki. So I dunno what Asuma level would mean. Edit: I just wrote that from the top of my head, maybe I forgot some people. Also, I don't rank edo only characters. I personally rank the characters in Tiers. The strongest is "Post Juubito absurdity tier", pretty self explanatory. Then come the ones with the reasonable chatacters. "Demi God Tier" for characters stronger than the full Kyubi (Rinnegan Obito, Minato, KCM2 Naruto, mega boosted EMS Sasuke, Madara, Hashirama and Juubito). Then I have the "Human Limit Tier" for characters that could beat old man Hiruzen (Itachi, Pain, Obito, Orochimaru, strong MS Sasuke, KCM1 and Sage Naruto, Tobirama (since its old man Hiruzen), Sage Kabuto, Guy and War Arc Kakashi). Then I have "The Strongest Tier" where people who can beat Killer B belong to (Raikage, Jiraiya, Tsunade and Ooniki (one could maybe argue Kisame but B was nerfed in that fight)) Then I have "Relevant Tier" with everybody stronger and Hidan in it (the other Kage, the Akatsuki, Jinchuriki, Curse Mark Sasuke, Kakashi and all the rest of them.) Deva Path with Chibaku Tensei is above Hiruzen but below the Kyubi Animal Path is below the 8Tails Asura is above Hidan The other 3 are below Hidan I never really thought about Asuma since he got owned pretty hard in a 4 on 1 vs Hidan and then insta died when it was 4 on 2. The absolut strenght gap from Genin to Hidan is smaller than from Hidan to Killer B. Below Hidan it gets very hard imo, I never tried to rank the people who are so close in strenght. Dunno about Kage level, never thought of it that way. The Raikage can beat the 8Tails and Gaara got defeated by Deidara so 🤷

[@isshinkurosaki252]

If we're using (Hiruzen fight) Orochimaru then in the databooks he's stated to be equal to base Jiriaya meaning his Hydra should be relative to Sage Mode Jiriaya whose fastest attack was blocked by a path of Pain who Sage Mode Naruto effortlessly dealt with, while all the other paths were present. Also the Preta Path caught Sage Mode Jiriaya's strongest jutsu then got one shot by Sage Mode Naruto so any Orochimaru pre War Arc is getting folded and wouldn't touch Naruto. 😊

[@mattnamikaze7887]

I’m curious as to why you gave the Edo hokage to Orochimaru since Hiruzen re-sealed them with the reaper. Which would make them unusable just like Minato was.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Literally of whim

[@weatherreport3249]

@@ThunderGodTG You know what? Fair shout.

[@babaG819]

He could have gotten them back from the reaper death seal like he did at the end of the series. Which makes me wonder why he didn't do that and get his jutsu back sooner... like he just "revives" and immediately goes to the place to get all those things back... did he learn about this while he was sealed?? Also why didn't he use edo during his fight with 4tails naruto? It wouldn't be a waste cuz they can't die. Free play. He also surely had more than the 3 kage but only used those 3 during his Hiruzen fight. Plot armor that's why.

[@Black_Guy]

I don't think Orochimaru passes phase one of this challenge. First, the Sannin are considered equals. If Orochimaru comes into the village, Tsunade's looking for a fight. Byakugou seal Tsunade should be able to kill Orochimaru. If you add Kakashi and Sakura to the mix, she can definitely win. Plus, there arecso many clans in Konoha that I don't see Orochimaru making it. He doesn't have the Sound village or the Sand village to support him. It's just him versus Tsunade, Kakashi, Sakura, the Hyuga clan, the Nara clan, the Abarame clan, the Yamanaka clan, the Inuzuka clan, the Akamichi clan, the Anbu, and more. That seems too much for Orochimaru from my perspective.

[@komlat253]

Tsunade is slept on but as long as orochimaru stays hidden in phase one then he can do it. We knows he is able to sneak in and get Intel pretty easy in the leaf and he's literally done this in the sand and cloud village already so . As for fighting, it'd hard to say he takes tsunade down so fast but I don't think he kills her. They stalemate in a none drown out battle so that means orochimaru literally loses before naruto gets there cuz orochimaru is fighting the 5th and the main cast at the least like Kakashi and chozo and altho they don't add much against him ,I don't think he's fighting all them and the 5th. Considering she wouldn't just die when Madera fought her,there's no world where that's a fast enough fight for him to take everyone else out. But if tsunade isn't there then I see him going far but idk if he can really go against sage energy tho. U need specials hacks for that

[@foresightmystery9845]

The sannin are definitely not equal and are never implied to be. Tsunade did well against Madara because he ALLOWED it! When he put a miniscule amount of effort he was clapping her with ease. Orochimaru is blatantly stronger than Jiraiya and Jiraiya is blatantly stronger than Tsunade when in Sage Mode. Base to base, Orochimaru is definitely the superior combatant. Jiraiya compared Tsunade to 4 tailed kid Naruto and Orochimaru was holding up against 4 tailed TEEN Naruto who massively outscales! Against her alone, Orochimaru claps especially since he knows her Jutsu now after that 3 way deathlock. Against the whole village, he'd still clapped, but do the most damage cuz he already did it 🤣

[@Black_Guy]

@foresightmystery9845 I'm glad you made yourself laugh. I guess it's helpful for people who like to feel superior about anime debates if others don't agree with them. There are assertions you made that are unproven, like Jiraiya scaling to not scaling to 4 tails Naruto because the circumstances around that incident are dubious. There are also assertions you made that are irrelevant, like scaling Tsunade to Madara because Orochimaru scales are nowhere close to Madara at all. Then there's conjecture, like Orochimaru blatantly outscales Jiraiya and Jiraiya outscales Tsunade because there is no empirical evidence for either of these things. Lastly, the last time Orochimaru attacked the village, he had two separate villages aiding him. He had the Sound village and the Sand village. Neither of which he will have this time. Just cool it with the arrogance over anime/manga arguments, bro. It's just fiction.

[@foresightmystery9845]

@@Black_Guy bruh you're the only one mad here 🤣 ur rage quitting over actual evidence from the story. Orochimaru beat Jiraiya at full power which means including Sage Mode and he hadn't even dabbled in it yet with the cursemark. And even when all of them were "nerfed" Orochimaru still handled both of them together. When Naruto entered Sage Mode, it was stated that he was in a completely different league from everyone else just because of that transformation and Orochimaru beat him. Tsunade NEVER scaled to Madara. He was playing with them the entire time so while all of her best feats r there, she does not scale to him. Orochimaru was the closest to Hiruzen and he clapped 3sannin level ppl when Orochi summoned the nerfed Hokage. They're not comparable

[@j.a.hernandez9742]

@@foresightmystery9845 Orochimaru literally bends Tsunade over in a blitz

[@Stan2171]

I think ur downplaying how powerful the rasenshuriken is. It literally attacks u at a cellular level and completely disrupts your chakra network all together. It objectively one shots orichimaru

[@diondadigger]

I'd just like to say that Sasuke was mad cocky around that part of the series. If people distract him and Tsunade runs up on his Susanoo he might end up splattered across the leaf. I'm confident that she could definitely blow through his Susanoo at this point. The real question is how he reacts to it. If he's already surrounded by enemies like Choza and Kakashi when Tsunade breaks it, Sasuke might just die.

[@painvillegaming4119]

She broke madara susanno sasuke SUSANNO Is fucked

[@Headsuporheadstone]

Naruto was out speeding/matching Pain and having Ma and Pa is gonna increase his sensory abilities, he would easily detect Obito and in sage mode he would be able to tag the crap out of obito because obito only dematerialzes himself when he's about to be touched, but since Naruto can literally punch people with out touching them he is clapping Obito. Perfect counter to Obito honestly.

[@dillonlong7910]

Rhonda "roosey" 😂

[@robtheservantof6257]

38:30 😭😭😭They really showed up and told bro he's gonna get folded if he goes. And bro listened 💀

[@loslaynes]

Can you make a video about making your own Akatsuki! Like Kakuzu & Orochimaru, Tobirama & Minato, 3rd Raikage and Guy, or Kinkaku and Ginkaku. Already liked for banger video!!

[@loslaynes]

Or what if Kakashi went to the Rain Village with Jiraiya at his PA counterpart

[@dimitrilitovsk2372]

These are the kinds of videos i love. And awesome guest too!

[@_Seru_]

Actually Kakashi nearly died against Kakuzu and has his ass saved by Shikamaru in the last moment. Kakuzu and Hidan vs the village depends on how well they work together and if Kakuzu can stop Hidan from acting like a fool and getting disabled by losing his head - but Kakashi without support is definitely not taking those two out together. They definitely get stomped hard against sage Naruto though.

[@cloversgood_luck9290]

This! If Kakuzu combines his hearts to increase his AP he'll stand a better chance not only that but its stated that he can only store five hearts in his body but Its not stated whether he can control more then five hearts. But yeah Both get clapped by sage naruto low diff

[@_Seru_]

@@cloversgood_luck9290 Plus Kakuzu can replenish his hearts by simply taking them and I imagine there'd be many dead fodder shinobi on the battlefield, so he'd have a supply if he needed it.

[@jojomacandrew]

You have to remember that was base Kakashi. He doesn't like to use his MS, but he said he could have won with it.

[@_Seru_]

@@jojomacandrew You also have to remember that Kakuzu was already missing one heart there and Hidan was taken away by Shikamaru. Kakashi either barely wins with EXTREME difficulty if he has to face both of them at once or blatantly loses. He also can't exactly spam kamui.

[@jojomacandrew]

@@_Seru_ but Tsunade is also there, and so are Shikamru and Sakura and Izumo and Kotetsu, and every other Chunin and Jonin who isn't on a mission. If it's debatable whether or not Kakashi can fight both of them alone, then there's really no need for further discussion when you add a sannin and her village.

[@jason15212]

Tsunade is more than likely able to counter Sasori poison a lot quicker than Sakura did. If Kakashi Choza Choji Shino Shikamaru Sakura the Anbu etc… can hold them off which I think they could, Tsunade should be able to create a cure.

[@paytonmurphy244]

The Tsunade downplay in this is insane. Some fights she wasn’t even brought up lmao. Jiraiya even said Kakashi was still not hokage level when he was about to leave saying Tsunade was the only person qualified to be hokage at that time.

[@chiloutdude5130]

Sasori's spy thing isn't a mind control jutsu. He takes a loyal person, blocks their memories of being on Sasori's side, and then when he needs their intel, gives them their memories back. Yura was always on Sasori's side, he just didn't know it for a few years. Kabuto was supposed to be on Sasori's side, but even after getting his memories back, he chose to continue working for Orochimaru instead. For Sasori to be able to gather intel with that trick, he'd have had to put a sleeper agent in Konoha years ago.

[@takatotakasui8307]

We've been waiting for this collab

[@GeneFOX70]

Fun Fact: Base Guy did more damage to a weakened base Kisame than KCM1 Naruto did.

[@jms7265]

Plot convenience

[@Jusaguywithbrain]

Tbd post ts kisame probably was stronger than pre ts i mean i dont see post ts kisame being intercepted by asuma

[@djbballer7389]

i don’t think tsukuyomi would hit because naruto doesn’t need to look at his opponent to fight due to sage mode

[@patty1c390]

the itachi matchup is also so weird because we never see itachi going all out, granted todska blade doesn’t work here bc he needs naruto alive, however any other fighter in the what if gets gg’d by todska blade

[@patty1c390]

sasori scales above sakura because she needed granny chio AND sasori was literally trying to kill himself

[@solusanimefan]

Short selling Kakuzu is wrong. Kakhzu and Kakashi in their fight aren't even comparable. Kakashi managed to damage Kakuzu one time, with a sneak attack. Kakuzu, head on, solo, almost killed Kakashi twice. Kakuzus only weakness in his arc was plot armor for his victims.

[@shafeckbrown496]

Naruto doesn't need to look. He can just depend on sensory to not get hit by genjutsu.

[@Taruukc]

SM Naruto bends the first half of the Akatsuki over his knee.

[@jason15212]

Kakashi with help of Choza Choji and others is more than enough to take down Kakuzu and Hidan . He was doing well when fought them by himself.

[@Xela-1603]

And if not just through a Nara in there and and they should win very easy

[@Sweetlesishere]

26:37 I disagree because Frog Song isn't a weak jutsu and actually hasn't been beaten. It's stronger than Tayuya's sound genjutsu. I still don't think Itachi loses to it however because Kisame is alive and can break him out. Plus, sound doesn't travel as well in water so it may not even work correctly on Kisame

[@cookiebear1330]

But i thought pain was nurfed a lot after the push, thats probably why he had trouble damaging naruto in sage

[@melmisery835]

In terms of naruto vs orochimaru. It's not necessary for naruto to seal the edos away if the user of the edo is there. Ma and pa can put orochimaru under a genjutsu and force orochimaru to dispell the edo ( like itachi did to kabuto). Overall great video 👍

[@Youngsickbacchus]

The frog song doesn’t do that lmfao it just seems to immobilize opponents definitely doesnt force them to relive a freezed moment in time over and over until they reflect on the sins of their existence and decide to be a good guy 😭 you could argue he could hit them with the song though

[@austinwinston1231]

If Itachi could freely reflect genjutsu like you claimed then how come he is affected by Tayuya's sage enchanted audiotory genjutsu by Kabuto and needed Sasuke to get free? This is also a sage mode enhanced auditory genjutsu so your point doesn't make sense respectfully. Additionally, Itachi can not just use Tsyukiyomi with no eye contact. That's his finger pointing genjutsu.

[@ThunderGodTG]

For the first point I would argue he actually needs to be looking at Kabuto to some level or that it was faster to have Sasuke free him, but he does have the ability to do so, you could also say Tayuya’s genjutsu is > Kurenai and that this technique doesn’t extend to sound based genjutsu, either way he can break out it. second off I was strictly talking basic genjutsu with that I believe that Itachi could force Naruto to look at him in some manner.

[@austinwinston1231]

@@ThunderGodTG I wouldn't be so sure that Itachi would be able to resist frog song since the Rinnegan posseses immunity to the infinite Tsyukiyomi while a normal MS does not so in a way, it scales higher in terms of genjutsu resistance and was still affected by frog song. (Or you could argue that the resistance provided by the Rinnegan is just it's innate property but we can't prove otherwise anyways). For the second point, I can see Naruto getting caught in a genjutsu and being forced to look Itachi in the eyes. It's not that crazy but what's stopping Naruto from fighting with his eyes totally close like Kabuto since he also have the same sensory perception? (Itachi couldn't put Kabuto in any genjutsu except izanami while he has his eyes closed and I doubt that jutsu will be useful here).

[@uchiharainy]

Sasori and deidara vs the leaf would be interesting. Both of them can combat multiple enemies with clay minions and puppets, both have large scale Insta-kill(ish) type moves with c3/4/0 and sasori's huge iron sand spikes so they could definitely destroy the leaf at the very least. Now idk how either of them fares 1v1 against pain arc kakashi, they definitely both lose (Individually) to sage naruto so honestly it'd end about the same. Obviously the only duo who could actually achieve this is Kisame and Itachi, i don't think this really requires too much explanation lol.

[@kyte5648]

Imagine a combo of sasori's iron sand and deidara's bombs. The explosions would push the sand in all directions. They could also push the poison gas into the entire village. Sasori's puppets also could carrie bombs and deliver explosions close to opponents, or just blow up once destroyed.

[@meetthemoo225]

Deidara doesn’t lose to sage pain arc naruto and kakashi literally explains why narutos a horrific matchup for him in the previous arc when they actually chase deidara together. Deidaras a long to mid range fighter and all of narutos (no jinchuriki forms) jutsu before the war arc outside of rasenshuriken are short range and deidara is always keeping distance in all of his fights . Kcm1 and above blitz though . Also we’ve seen from utakata jinchuriki in their V2 State arent 100% protected from explosions and with enough firepower can still immobilize and defeat the jinchuriki. Sasuke only got so far against deidara in his fight because his curse mark transformation had wings and he could meet deidara in the air at times. And I don’t think the rasengan/rasenshuriken shadow clone fakeout he used on kakazu would work on deidara since he also uses fakeout clay clones and spams them and he’s also smarter. Also naruto can’t defend from deidaras microscopic bombs , he MIGHT be able to sense them but due to their range all he’d sense is deidaras Chakra all around him and at that point nothing can save him . Even if he evaded it somehow he’d have to leave the general area of the leaf village and leaving the field by default is a forfeit/loss. None of narutos new sage jutsu are long range either .

[@meetthemoo225]

@@kyte5648 nobody remembers the fact without granny chiyo , sasoris poison no diffs nearly anybody in the leaf at the time. Pain arc naruto is bad for sasori and deidara off the strength he’s a majority short range fighter at the time and they’re both long range/distance keeping fighters .

[@HeavyCrown316]

I think they got the best chance out of all of them besides pain.

[@IllusorySpectre]

@MeetTheMoo22 that is literally mentioned in the video since the akatsuki have to capture the jinchuriki alive so deidara would not be able to use some of his most powerful bombs becuase they would likely kill naruto. Also, naruto in sage mode and in base is very strong and could literally launch clones and then make new clones to launch off of. He also had 5 toads with him and gamabunta and ma and pa are both able to use ustsu like water bombs and other things so in the situation as described in the video naruto can possibly beat deidara the toads can also jump very high as well. Sasori is a tuff one due to his poison but he was not particularly fast and mobile and naruto with sage mode has insane sensory and his rasenshuriken is busted plus he has multiple toads with him. You can possibly even argue that sasoris needles would not even be able to penetrate narutos skin while in sage mode as they mentioned in the video based on the ap the needles and iron sand portrayed. Also, the only reason deidara performed so well against sasuke is because he had prep time and had already modified the battle field.

[@akiraman7664]

Love these kind of video

[@heroman_567]

Banger video my dude!

[@ThunderGodTG]

Aye bro this is a professional space I best not see you comment again

[@heroman_567]

@@ThunderGodTG lmaoooooooo

[@Tempest1018]

W mans 10K otw man I believe in you brother

[@ThunderGodTG]

Thank you brother we all gonna make it

[@folechno]

Karin is a sensory ninja who could very quickly determine that Naruto isn’t in the village.

[@saawysorenson]

Could Obito pull up to leaf and yoink the nine tails? Yes. He did. When 14.

[@virn333]

Sasori and deidara is probably the most even out of them, but I still give it to the village+ naruto.

[@mattyb9708]

The Anbu would do a lot more work than y’all give credit for. If it wasn’t for the summons they would have clapped a pain

[@itachi16ful]

Can’t itachi and kisame infiltrate the village, gets into via itachi. Kisame then floods the village literally black panther 2 all over again. Kisame makes giant shark bombs. Itachi just chills or goes to work and kills the village like he wiped out the uchiha clan.

[@CanadianBoardCrew]

Saw the thumbnail, had to click IMMEDIATELY

[@catchdog]

Great Video TG. Kisame and Itachi would be unreal!

[@rarerelent]

Your video idea concepts are groundbreaking. Sss need to put you on their pod. NO SHADE im not super familiar with your content but the times i seen you, i think, man i would like to know what swag and seth think about this topic.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Appreciate the kind words friend ✊🏻🔥

[@rarerelent]

@@ThunderGodTG continue to grow and prosper bro🤘🏽

[@topcat59]

Great vid bro.😺

[@austincooper5336]

The only problem with the Orochimaru fight is that canonically speaking, in order for a Richard Mario to use Edo tensi - at least for the first and second hokage- you would then have to disregard the fact that the third hokage sealed them in the reaper's belly; ultimately rendering them unsummable.

[@Youngsickbacchus]

Well okay but by this logic we’d also be ignoring the fact that not only is Oruchimaru not a memeber of the akatsuki at that point but was uhh inside sasukes body.

[@Sweetlesishere]

Richard Mario is crazy

[@scrollingdownonlytofindcom2663]

lmaoo Richard Mario for Orochimaru....that gave me a good laugh

[@dominiccampbell181]

I think you guys seriously underestimated Ma and Pa's genjutsu. They caught 3 of the paths of Pein in their genjutsu, and the Rinnegan is more resistant to genjutsu than the Sharingan is, as it's the weakest level of dojutsu that can resist the Infinite Tsukuyomi. If they caught them, they'll catch Itachi in it as well. Orochimaru can't use Hashirama or Tobirama anymore since they were sealed away by Hiruzen, since you said they were in the same fight conditions as Pein, aside from fatigue. Rasenshuriken is absolutely taking down Orochimaru, because it severs the chakra paths on a cellular, meaning Orochimaru can't use chakra to heal himself.

[@Black_Guy]

Very interesting topic. I don't know how much I agree because I haven't looked into the topic. But I liked the video.

[@keemwill6821]

Love your vids bro. You deserve a lot more recognition! You know your shit. Keep it up my guy👍🏾

[@ThunderGodTG]

Thank you for the kind words friend ✊🏻

[@BunchyPanther42]

Naruto wasn’t implied to be stronger than Jiraya, he was straight up stated to be stronger

[@ThunderGodTG]

I say implied as the statements made about it are posing it more as a question rather than objectively. Only fukasaku says so and imo that relates to SM mastery. Not saying SM Jiraya is > just clarifying

[@tevincollins2869]

@@ThunderGodTG please go read the chapter Naruto is stated to be way stronger lol

[@jasonmoukala8909]

Not really

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@tevincollins2869 no he wasn’t

[@tevincollins2869]

@@jasonmoukala8909 yes he was perfect sage while Pervy sage wasn’t only thing jiraya had was ma and pa would fuse with him so he can gather sage chakra more easy

[@WEAREALLJUSTMEAT]

Naruto could definitely tag obito with frog kumite. He needed to befriend the ninetails to overcome hatred and because obito can control the ninetails

[@brettwilliamson7129]

If I remember right ma&pa's sound genjutsu is supposed to be one of the strongest genjutsus because it's sound based. Itachis genjutsu is ocular based, can itachi effectively reflect the genjutsu even though its sound based.

[@Mission868]

Taka is getting packed up I kanoha fym a good chance

[@komlat253]

The pains are weaker away from the rain village. Specifically away from his original body .it's literally way yahiko pain runs away to get closer to himself so yea

[@juyghare1373]

I’m confused how does Itachi reflect a sound based genjutsu?

[@historyking9984]

One thing rg your forgetting is how fast Naruto ran out of sage mode and how he needs to summon a clone with a scroll. Pain even stopped him from doing that and he needed pa to summon it. So the sudden loss of sage mode would be an issue

[@drowning.macaco]

26:26 its audiotory genjutsu itachi can only do that with visual genjutsu and only to people who are way below him

[@felixlara2945]

I'd love to see hidan get the ritual on Tsunade and she just fucks him up anyways

[@ashuprice9719]

Decap

[@ekayn1606]

3:50 the video starts

[@OutlawTruth]

Goat!

[@Nekowhite93]

Orochimaru is getting folded by tsunade if it’s the ones that fought hiruzen! Like WHAT

[@AnxietyAttacksMusic]

sasori could def use poison against naruto, he has the antidote & could paralyze him, then keep him alive w that. doubt he could actually hit sage mode naruto tho lol

[@thepharaoh7king71]

I think kakashi would definitely be a problem for orochimaru. Their encounter in part 1 is what motivated him to train seriously again in the first place. Considering the stakes and his ability with the ms at this point. This kakashi also has some really good feats imo he did better versus pain than jiraya and orochi. Also tsunade would probably want to be the one to confront orochimaru. I don’t see him passing phase 1. The rest of the leave village would be enough to hold of the summonings and the edo

[@evolvedHE]

Yeah Pain-Arc Kakashi would definitely contend with Orochimaru, and anything after that I think Kakashi wins

[@thepharaoh7king71]

@@evolvedHE i agree

[@thesolokingitachi4555]

With his hand hanging out of his cloak, the Solo King would casually walk through the Hidden Leaf Village and solo everyone he encounters. In the meantime, Kisame would stop by and buy some drinks and sweet dumplings from the closest restaurant. P.S: No version of Naruto prior to KCM would be fast enough to avoid Amaterasu.

[@anunluckyguy7586]

hebi sasuke was fast enough to dodge amaterasu for a bit, how would sage mode naruto not do the same or even better than that

[@Barsee23]

the only problem is that itachi would have to destroy that restaurant and it's owner as part of his mission to destroy the hidden leaf

[@painvillegaming4119]

Itachi literally already being half death

[@painvillegaming4119]

@@Barsee23 well Rip itachi bro just awakened the 9 tail naruto cause he destroyed the Ramen shop and here he bowl of six path ramen guy

[@hihi-nm3uy]

To be fair, Kisame has a lot of hype arguments. He fends off V1 Bee, outboxes V2, and has a standoff against 7th Gate Guy (I disagree with the idea that Kisame scales to this Guy, but the argument is there). If you go down this road, you could maybe argue Kisame could fight Sage Naruto.

[@ThunderGodTG]

I generally agree with this it just kind goes where the discussion does, against certain people he can have some really high ends

[@pepeelghetto1231]

Bruh taka ain't taking on Kakashi AND Tsunade come on 💀

[@livinnrgyt5084]

26:10 I do want to note that Naruto is actually very knowledgeable in Itachi's mangekyo abilities he's seen it three times (Tsukiyomi) and he's seen Amaterasu. Now to be fair. Itachi can't use Amaterasu because it's a killing technique and they need Naruto alive. Secondly Tsukiyomi would not work Because Sage Naruto doesn't need eyes. He can sense. Additionally the way Tsukiyomi works at this point in the story I believe Naruto could actually muster through Tsukiyomi much like how Sasuke did but with greater effect. It should be noted that once someone challenged Tsukiyomi the instant happening no longer applies seen during Itachi v Sasuke where Zetsu notes they have just been standing there. Additionally because the Akatsuki are actually at a disadvantage unable to use their instant kill techniques meaning no Totsuka blade or Amaterasu. Even if Itachi pulls out the Susanno the shock wave from the Rasenshuriken would just bounce Itachi inside the Susanno and at that point its a GG. I see a Rasenshuriken fake out defeating Kisame Soundly. If 7 gate Gai could, Sage mode Naruto definitely could as a wombo combo from Sage Mode Naruto would just obliterate Kisame at this point and let's not forget that Kisame's sword might just go to Naruto over Kisame. For Itachi as much as I love Itachi I do think his experience would be shown and he would put up a fight but his sickness will do him in as any jutsu needed to even HURT Naruto would significantly increase his sickness and to keep up with Sage mode he NEEDS mangekyo so he would go blind far quicker than he did against Sasuke

[@livinnrgyt5084]

Also Also Also 7 Gate Gai is supposed to be Equal to Kakashi with Lightning Blade. They are rivals with Gai edging out in terms of 8 gate and being able to use 7th gate longer than one lightning blade but the reason I bring this up is because Kisame wouldn't be able to do what he did in this video. Despite him being a beast. He is base bee level or slightly below the Sannin(Kisame's statement) which I agree with since Aye is Base bee level (base to base) and Aye is sannin level from showings and statements. I say this because Kakashi would focus on Kisame first if Kisame attacks people in the leaf, because no mass destruction is used I see many of the Aburame coming to aid and despite Choza and Choji basically being walking absorption pillows. Them pausing Kisame for a second ends him. Kakashi will Speed blitz with the Raikiri or he will Mangekyo kill. I'm not trying to go against you guys fully. I do see some win cons but if you give the entire situation no. They don't win. Kisame gets murdered because of team work yes team work that will be even higher than what we saw Against Pain and then Tsunade + Kakashi could 100% Hold off Itachi if he tries to save Kisame

[@kyleching2036]

yata mirror will shield against rasenshuriken lol

[@mictain139]

I think you really ignored the fact that if the Akatsuki members did find out where Naruto is they would have to go to Mount Myboku where there are many strong toads and also the fact that Ma was not even in mount Myboku so if things get really hard she could just use reverse summoning to go back to the village and also if they do attack Naruto probably won't be ready with three clones in taking Nature Chakra like he had against Pain and would probably be caught by suprise.

[@generalkarn9356]

I think it could be debated whether Itachi can actually can reflect that strong of a genjustu

[@ThunderGodTG]

I agree with this especially since he didn't against kabuto, you may just argue he can't with sound based(strongest type) of genjutsu

[@tevincollins2869]

He can’t unless sasuke is there

[@Youngsickbacchus]

@@tevincollins2869well no sasuke isn’t gonna help that Itachi lmfao he still wants him dead

[@powerspro3553]

I genuinely wonder if it would've made a difference if Konan fought alongside Pain against Naruto, if they would've captured him.

[@xxxtimeghostxxx]

pain already did

[@mosshead6986]

Sasoris poison isn’t a realistic win con when tsunades in the leaf she was bodying chiyos poisons and she also fought Hanzo who did the same poison strats she would definitely get intel and be able to make a cure

[@B00MR0ASt3D]

I believe you man but if I were to want to reference “Choza being the highest war potentials” where would I be able to see that?

[@ThunderGodTG]

I actually forgot to drop that in, it’s in my Tobirama video that was dropped more recentyl

[@B00MR0ASt3D]

@@ThunderGodTG thanks bro 💪🏽 great vid as always

[@B00MR0ASt3D]

@@ThunderGodTG ngl though maybe I’m just blind but I didn’t see it in the Tobirama video either

[@ThunderGodTG]

Nah that's on me I should have shown it and it's at 11:32 in the Tobirama video

[@B00MR0ASt3D]

@@ThunderGodTG 🖤

[@thanosbambi]

13:39 naruto only fight 5 paths. we don't know how well the asura path would do. 17:15 kakuzu lost 2 hearts due to their prep-time, and he was still going to kill them 1v3. kakashi and hidan clashed a few times, so they're only relative. kakashi is not that guy.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Naruto blitzed the Asura path blatantly and the point is Kakashi alone can combat Kakazu + 2 Hearts without being forced to use Kamui, if he has an entire village with him he can definitely compensate.

[@thanosbambi]

@@ThunderGodTG my point was about naruto's durability, but you right. i thought it was because it was a surprise attack. i should've reread before commenting. kakashi spent most of the fight running/defending. the only damage he dealt was with teamwork and planning. with slightly worse timing, he would've had to use kamui, or died. he got deus ex machina'd twice in that fight. maybe it's different in the anime. i think you also mentioned choji boxing with kakuzu(?)

[@ThunderGodTG]

That part I definitely misworded that, that is strictly anime material and even then Choji doesn’t do well. I just believe there’s a difference in opponents with Kakashi about to chakra exhaust himself against pain compared to Kakazu where he’s pressed just not to the same degree where he’s forced to use such niche strategies. I definitely think Kakazu > I just believe the gap isn’t so wide that Kakashi isn’t able to combat him.

[@nassrnassr4215]

Havent even watched the video but such a sick video concept

[@Slyrock-1000]

Deidara even with his C0 explosion Sage Naruto could probably feel those microscopic bombs coming sense he has threat perception and could move away from it. And Sasori posion would never be able to hit Sage Mode Naruto and even if he did i doubt hed be able to pierce his skin to poison him. Sage Naruto is crazy durable

[@thegrizzlyssinofslothking2955]

No offense, but I think you guys did a poor job on explaining how things would go down if Sasori and Deidara were to attack the Hidden Leaf Village. Even though both of them have large scale attacks and can battle multiple enemies at the time, they will ultimately fail. Not because they don't have the necessary power to complete the task, but rather because they can't bring their whole arsenal to the table. They need to capture Naruto alive, which means C4/C0 is out of the questions for obvious reasons. Case 1: Deidara would wreak havoc from above using C1/C2/C3 bombs, while Sasori would gather intel and poison any enemy he encounters on the ground, basically splitting the forces of the Hidden Leaf Village. Case 2: Both of them fight from above, Deidara throwing C1, C2 and C3 bombs here and there, while Sasori would release poison gas, spreading it through the village, or scatter the iron sand over a wide area (Iron Sand Shower technique). The speed of the particles is so fast that it is difficult to see them coming with the naked eye, and are powerful enough to easily penetrate solid rock. Even if the jutsu itself doesn't cause lethal damage, the poison would paralyse anyone and kill them slowly and painfully. Either way, the Hidden Leaf forces would go down relatively quickly, taking the power gap aside, most of them aren't long range fighters, which means if they were to engage Deidara, or Sasori in combat, they would clearly be at an enormous disadvantage. The biggest threats to the Akatsuki duo would be Kakashi and Naruto. I don't count Danzo as a threat, simply because he didn't attempt to defend Konoha back then either. Tsunade would not interfere directly either. She would minimize the casualties by defending the village from Deidara's explosions and treating those that have been poisoned by Sasori. Kakashi has the proper tools to take down Deidara or Sasori. Deidara would probably lose due to the fact that he cannot afford to use C4 or C0. While Sasori would probably lose because of the bad matchup. His Sharingan can see the chakra threads and most likely his heart which Kakashi could destroy using Kamui, unless the iron sand or the amount of puppets is blocking his path of view. Moving on to the Naruto fight, Deidara would go down for the same reasons as the one mentioned above. Sasori might be able to pull out a victory, depending on whether you believe his attacks can bypass the Sage Mode durability or not. And although I'm well aware of Naruto's precognition skills in Sage Mode, as well as his speed/reflexes feats, there is no guarantee that he wouldn't get hit at least once by Sasori's attacks. Especially since he has no knowledge of his abilities/tricks, or an antidote at his disposal. The summonings are a non-factor in this fight because they would go down rather easily due to the poison. For the sake of discussion, let's say Sasori takes down Naruto, then what? By then, the reinforcements will arrive, along with Tsunade and an antidote to counteract the effects of poison. Sasori is not getting out of there alive. Therefore, the artistic duo fails.

[@ThunderGodTG]

They're seperated into rounds, Naruto isn't present for the first round so they have access to all of the hax you just mentioned they couldn't use. I'm basically just subbing them in pain's position, please listen to the video before commenting.

[@thegrizzlyssinofslothking2955]

@@ThunderGodTG I did. Just skipped the sponsor and the introduction part where you talk about Naruto's strength. My bad 😅.

[@ThunderGodTG]

No problem appreciate the honesty, if you watch my vids I recommend the intro just since I lay out the premise/conditions usually there

[@SajSen02]

Honestly I think those summons may be pretty usefull bc they are just that big so the poison may not work or there would have to be A LOT of it.

[@africangiant8638]

Itachi & Kisame may clear Phase 1 but they’re definitely not clearing Phase 2 lol For Phase 1, I think you’re greatly underestimating Tsunade and the rest of the village. 1 on 1, I think her Seal would surge her with chakra to break out of any Genjutsu and regenerate practically everything. The seal counters even Tsukuyomi quite comfortably because her mind would be regenerating faster than Tsukuyomi could damage it. She would then have deployed Katsuyu and other high ranking Ninja to save villagers as soon as Kisame flooded the Village. Word would have gotten out pretty quickly that the Leaf was under attack. Itachi may succeed in gathering intel but he would be a bit fatigued after Phase 1 from constantly using Genjutsu to gather intel. For Phase 2, Kisame would have to lead the way against Sage Naruto. However, with the toad summons and Sage Mode, it wouldn’t be easy. Also, 1 Frog song and Itachi is cooked because Kabuto’s Sage Sound Jutsu was enough to immobilize two Mangekyo users. They can also constantly cover the arena in smoke so Itachi can’t see. Ma and Pa would break him out of any Genjutsu and again, Frog Song makes Itachi’s Sharingan useless so Itachi with his pitiful stamina would eventually get handled one way or another. If Kisame absorbs too much Sage Chakra, he will get turned into a frog and Naruto would pretty much outclass him 1 on 1. In addition, Ninjas from the leaf would be there for support Naruto if necessary because the damage Kisame would have done isn’t nearly on the same scale as the damage Pain caused. So no, I highly doubt Itachi and Kisame win Phase 2. People underestimate Toad Style Ninjutsu and the Leaf Village lol

[@descendantofartorias2067]

Naruto could also negate all of Itachi's genjutsu aside from Tsukuyomi by fighting with his eyes closed and relying on sage sensing.

[@MrNocturnOwl]

@@descendantofartorias2067 he would be able to negate Tsukuyomi too as you need eye contact to inject chakra

[@noparadox6690]

It's incredibly worth noting and something people KEEP FORGETTING that itachi can make a person relive their entire life through genjutsu in the span of one PICOSECOND. That is an unfathomably fast thing. That is too fast for absolutely any outside entity to help you should you be caught in tsukuyomi.

[@nihonzaki7048]

Bro is not spitting

[@africangiant8638]

@@noparadox6690 Obviously if a ninja isn’t mentally strong enough Genjutsu can overload their brain to knock them out or at the very worst, kill them. Kakashi got hit with Tsukuyomi and was in a coma but could have still recovered with time except Tsunade expedited the process with her medical Ninjutsu. And the example you’re using is a specific person. Itachi’s childhood love who he knew everything about so he could get very creative and decided to show her life with him. He can’t do that with everyone lol Also, you have to get caught in Tsukuyomi before it starts which can simply be avoided by smoking the area, closing your eyes, hiding in a toad’s mouth or even using a Shadow Clone to take the hit. For Tsunade, there is also nothing saying her seal can’t rapidly repair her brain from being damaged if she’s hit by Tsukuyomi. As she’s the one who woke Kakashi out of his coma and even downplayed Kakashi for being defeated by it. And also, idk if you count this, but in the anime Tobirama, who fought hundreds of Uchiha, would casually avoid Uchiha Genjutsu shenanigans by using smoke bombs to obstruct their vision and also by simply closing his eyes. lol

[@renrac20]

@ThunderGodTG My biggest question is: How does Orochimaru summon the Hokages with Edo Tensei when their souls are sealed in the Death Reaper?

[@navels553]

Idk Sage Naruto was explicitly able to fight with hus eyes closed and Naruto knows about how Tsukuyomi works - so i dont think Tsukuyomi is the win con. Susanoo definitely cleans shit up though

[@enakchandler3812]

Low key deidara and sasori probably win that fight against sage naruto tbh deidara just camps till sage mode runs out and to top it off sasori could legit just ride with deidara and defend the dragon with puppets seems broken to me

[@Sweetlesishere]

14:17 Lmao so killing Naruto is possible but capturing him alive isn't bravo Sasori and Deidara

[@TheLastSliverback]

Orochimaru wouldn't be able to access the edo tensei summons of the 1st and 2nd hokage. They got sealed along with hiruzen with the reaper death seal.

[@ThunderGodTG]

I said I was just using that Orochimaru in that fight, not any current version

[@TheLastSliverback]

@@ThunderGodTG ohh right my bad I missed that bit. Appreciate the response tho, recently discovered your channel and love the content. Keep it coming 💯💯

[@ThunderGodTG]

Appreciate the love and support brother

[@coldiceburnz8746]

Kakashi in pain arc, don’t wanna say would solo sasori, but would make it a damn close fight. Add shikamaru or Sakura to that fire and it’s ggs. Kakashi probably knows a little bit puppets since his Dad fought the sand village. Sai could arguably distract deidra partly. Whether that’s strictly being a target or competing in an actual fight not sure. But Tsunade would be able to join the fight once bombs stop falling. But they’d be no winning that fight since once it’s over deidra would blow himself up with the village.

[@RealPrxdigy]

Sasori is not messing with kakashi imo. Good video though man🔥

[@ThunderGodTG]

I generally agree with this, and appreciate it. The Sharingan super hard counters puppet users in general

[@virn333]

@@ThunderGodTG I especially feel that Kamui is a GG against sasori

[@Geoemophobic]

People really flex sage mode Naruto being able to beat blind Sasuke when sage mode Naruto won only because of his plot armor against pain and then felt like he is equal to blind Sasuke with almost no chakra left sage mode Naruto can't beat taka especially not when jugo or suigetusu can go kill ma and pa and when he doesn't have natur chakra anymore he loses he gets blitzed because Naruto is always slower than Sasuke and if you compare Naruto in any of his form other than base it just proves the point that her is slower than Sasuke if ma and pa are dead then jugo can pin Naruto for a while and Sasuke puts him in genjutsu if Sasuke uses his susanoo and keeps Karin next to him he can just keep taking chakra from her and use the susanoo constantly you kept ignoring the fact anyone can go kill ma and pa to weaken Naruto

[@ashuprice9719]

lol at kakashi soloing kakazu and Hidan.

[@giannixx]

In the manga he breaks the control rod punching it from the side, it doesn't mean his skin can't be pierced or scratched by it while in Sage Mode. Also, is there an instance of the control rods piercing a biju chakra cloak lv 2 besides the one in Utakata's filler arc? That said, I think you should give more credit to Sasori + Deidara. There is a possibility that Naruto can be scratched by the puppets' weapons, and specially by the iron sand, and one hit is going to end the fight. Of course, SM Naruto would be very hard to actually hit. As for Deidara's explosions, sure Naruto is going to dodge most of them, but Deidara could overwhelm him launching multiple guided missiles, and Naruto even in Sage Mode is not going to tank those hits unscathed, specially the C2. All the while Sasori is also trying to hit him with the Kazekage or the 100 puppets. The land mines are useless unless Deidara is able to plant them without Tobi haha. And the poison is actually useful, since it only kills in 3 days, so they would be able to take Naruto to a hideout alive. Also, it is very likely that Sasori would have an antidote in hand so Naruto doesn't die before the extraction is complete, as he always likes to be prepared, otherwise it doesn't make sense for him to use poison against someone he needs to capture alive (remembering that Sasori wanted to fight Naruto as Deidara already had captured his jinchuriki, so that tells me he must have had an antidote to his own poison). But I still think Naruto wins more than 50% of the times. About Itachi... If he really wanted, he also could use the crow with Shisui's eye and cast Kotoamatsukami on Naruto.

[@MajeedBelle]

I can't believe I just listened to someone making an argument stating that sasori can't scratch Naruto. Holy s*** the head cannon

[@ThunderGodTG]

What’s the strongest thing Sasori has broken with his sand? Which is the only thing that could potentially damage Naruto. Everything else shatters against him.

[@boilingman972]

​@@ThunderGodTGsasori would solo sm naruto

[@MyNindo2000]

​@@boilingman972Keep telling yourself that

[@EchoDragonHawk]

@@boilingman972you’re drunk lmfaooooooooooo

[@xieotv2386]

That's a lot of hot takes

[@myagu6723]

w vid

[@wilfredofigueroa7970]

What if Kisame was the nine tails jinchuuriki and born in konoha?

[@brendonohagan1946]

Its strange that the copy ninja kakashi doesn't seem to do it as much dince zabuza. I mean couldn't he do the same to kisame. Technically

[@Spacewizard606]

Homie took over the whole video

[@ThunderGodTG]

I actually had to re record my side completely since my audio got messed up which made it so I had to cut out some of truth too unfortunately

[@Spacewizard606]

@@ThunderGodTG why

[@ThunderGodTG]

cuz

[@Spacewizard606]

@@ThunderGodTG can’t argue with that

[@ThunderGodTG]

Jokes aside it just wasn’t coherent that’s all

[@moeketsigeorge1932]

Sakura has good feats against Sasori, given that she was fighting with granny Chio. However add Shikanara and Aburame clan, Sasori is dead. The insects would dismantle the PUPPETS, and Shikanara would tale control of some of them, and come up with a strategy to bear him. Either way, The Lead wins comfortably. Deidara: let Kakashi and Tsunade deal with him, remember Kakashi is why more proficient with the sharing an at this point than Sasuke. So whatever Sasuke did he can do possibly better.

[@billiondavid]

Why do you keep on saying all they need to do is interrogate one person to gain intel on Naruto But you forget that NOT everyone knows of Naruto's location? Only a handful of people know of his location. If everyone knew then pain would have interrogated the few shinobi he killed outside the village. Naruto's location is sensitive information especially when the Akatsuki is looking for him.

[@ThunderGodTG]

What I meant was they need the ability to interrogate and extract intel, that's exactly why it's important for someone to be able to fend off large groups of shinobi or have AOE as it's variable who knows and who doesn't

[@billiondavid]

@@ThunderGodTG If you say so then. I disagree with one thing you said in the video. You said Itachi should be able to reverse the toads' genjutsu. I don't think that's possible. Senjutsu enhanced Tayuya's genjutsu was able to trap MS Itachi AND EMS Sasuke and they had to break themselves. This is from Kabuto who just got sage mode. The toad's are years older than even Jiraiya. They have had all the time in the world to perfect that genjutsu. Itachi's shouldn't be able to reverse or break it. He hasn't shown any proficiency in sound genjutsu.

[@BunchyPanther42]

Naruto wasn’t implied to be stronger than Jiraya, he was straight up stated to be stronger

[@Youngsickbacchus]

Also shown to be stronger didn’t he oneshot the pain that tore off Jiraiya’s arm with a punch?

[@gx9183]

@@Youngsickbacchus Tbf the Pains themselves aren’t exactly durable. A lot of other characters one shotted them, that’s why they work so well as a team because they cover each other’s weaknesses

[@SSJUnderDog]

@@gx9183 like which characters? If we’re talking about konohamaru that was one of the weakest paths and we can see the paths of pains throwing hands and blocking hits from sage jiraiya. So I would say most of them are durable. Also that path of pain speedblitzed jiraiya AND tore off his arm. jiraiya was off guard but you can see him reacting in the panel and still being tossed out the building.

[@felixlara2945]

@@SSJUnderDog the pains are just normal dudes with rinnegans, they make them very powerful but doesn't offer much protection

[@DrNasrooo]

I’m pretty sure it was just implied. Naruto may have mastered senjutsu better than Jiraiya (somehow), his base for still sucked