Thunderhill Highside | Dave Moss Tuning | ZX-6R Laps | 8/6/22

[@streetbike_jpod]

Laying your own bike down to check on a fellow rider is very honorable. Bless you both. I hope to meet Mr. Dave Moss one day. Great video sir

[@cchief249]

Thank you sir I appreciate it!

[@o0cscore0o]

Brother, you are a good man to get off track to assist. Much respect to you good sir.

[@cchief249]

Appreciate that, I would hope anyone would do the same!

[@tartredarrow]

NEVER stop on a hot racetrack if you can avoid it. The poster made 2 huge mistakes here. #1 target fixating and running off the track. That's a mental skill error. #2 staying in the crash zone instead of moving on. That's just bad decision making.

[@cchief249]

@@tartredarrow I hear ya man and appreciate your perspective. I decided to go off track with him, if it wasn’t someone I knew I would have entered track. It does look like target fixating though! Staying in crash zone maybe wasn’t the best idea I’ll admit that, however I did see the red flag fly fairly quickly which for this org everyone stops where they are. Some mistakes for sure, I was too consumed making sure my buddy was alright, and all the instructors and medical crew thanked me for staying with him.

[@backho12]

@@cchief249 Poor Mike didn't even make it out of the entrance past the blend line. Sure hard not to target fixate when it's happening right in right in front of you. Glad he was okay, though. I've been wearing a tethered air vest for the last couple of years.

[@cchief249]

@@backho12 I figured I’d go off with him since that stuff brings out the red flag anyway, plus I wanted to help until medical got there even if it was just sitting with him. Vests are the way to go for sure! Had mine since this TD.

[@rytacarms]

Hot dayum that all black Zx6r looks good.

[@foolspeedahead]

Dave Moss is awesome.

[@cchief249]

He really is! Was a new bike when he was finished with it.

[@phelansanders]

He’s ok

[@backho12]

And, he’s very patient!

[@bearrage80]

@@foolspeedahead i think i might know Dave Moss. I was a WMRRA Racer #80 in 2005. Raced against Mike Sullivan in that era

[@IamLaR1]

Wow, that was scary. Assume the new tire was not on a warmer??? Hope he is okey. You are a good friend. Great job not moving his head. Long distance high 5 brother.

[@cchief249]

Correct, he had just finished with the rear axle nut and hopped on the bike. Appreciate that, I'm no medic but I know the basics, happy he ended up okay!

[@IamLaR1]

@@cchief249 man, we all need good souls like yours surrounding us.

[@SomeDudeOnline]

@@cchief249 Wow! I knew slicks lacked traction when not warm but I didn't know it was that bad (I'm mid B group at best so I've never even considered slicks). I was also under the impression that tires cool off really quick (like a minute or two). What happens if you go out to the hot pits and they don't let you on track right away because the previous group had a yellow flag or something? Is the cooling off that happens in a couple minutes just not enough to be a problem?

[@cchief249]

@@SomeDudeOnline yeah cold slicks are doable but you really have to be careful with them, 2-3 laps to get heat in them before you start riding normally. I won't go out unless they've been on warmers. Granted, this guy had DOT Q4s on but they're an aggressive, almost slick road tire. Up to temp slicks do not cool off that rapidly. You'll lose some heat but nothing to be alarmed about. A yellow flag or a few minutes stationary is fine. Great questions, ride safe!

[@SomeDudeOnline]

@@cchief249 I see. Thanks for the info :)

[@frankfeng6199]

brave of you to ride into the dust cloud like that, but big respect to you for being there for him!

[@cchief249]

Thank you!

[@treemerc101]

Beautiful bike, I like those fairings

[@cchief249]

Thanks! I’ll miss my ZX, was a great bike.

[@seanmcmichael855]

Man, that sucks to see your buddy go down like that. I hope he recovered quickly from that.

[@cchief249]

@@seanmcmichael855 yeah never a fun time. But yes he managed to come away alright and is doing fine now! Thanks!

[@dz_7142]

Nice job remembering to lay your bike down. Your name looked familiar and I realized that you raced on the East Coast last year at least at summit with WERA. It was one of my first race weekends. Small world. Hope your friend is all good now and those white plates look good!

[@cchief249]

Hey what's up man! Yes I remember, still have the time sheets, great stuff for your first weekend! That was my last race on my old bike, just getting going again with this ZX, having a blast. First expert race in 2 weeks, wish me luck! I'll be back on the east coast eventually, hope to see you again 🤙

[@dz_7142]

@@cchief249 Bike looks great. Best of luck to you in 2 weeks man. I'll be in Expert next season too getting rekt by the fast boys lol.

[@koicooker420]

You even got the photog in it! Great video, did not expect that high side.

[@cchief249]

Thanks!

[@andys8483]

Nice open track, but it looks a bit rough in places 🤔 My heart was in my mouth when your mate came off his bike 😮 Hope he's on the mend

[@cchief249]

Yeah I can see how it looks that way but it’s actually a really nice circuit! Few bumps into 3 but otherwise a very smooth track! Yes he’s all healed up now, no significant injuries thankfully, thanks!

[@carbocycle]

Nice job checking on your guy. I hate to see that and I hope he is doing ok.

[@cchief249]

Thanks! He's doing well now, appreciate it.

[@dennisobrien2578]

You’re a good dude man!

[@jasminebebe3455]

Turn 11 is where I always worried about high sides. Back wheel sliding at 120!

[@cchief249]

Yeah good point! lol thankfully I’ve never seen anyone do that there yet.

[@22onwheels12]

youre a damn pal for dumping the bike and keeping your mate company .. hope yall are well

[@cchief249]

Thanks man 🤙

[@bruhkab3814]

Target fixation is real! I had a similar situation except I ended up tapping the bike that high-sided.

[@cchief249]

I see how it looks like that but I didn't target fixate, I just wanted to stop and make sure he was okay. I wasn't worried about hitting him since he was a good ways away, but it definitely could have been worse with the bike I tapped, was hard to see with the dust lol.

[@bruhkab3814]

@@cchief249 gotcha. for me everything happened so fast and i quickly decided to go right to not hit the rider but then i got fixated on his bike and went right towards it. I was also much closer to the rider when he high sided

[@cchief249]

@@bruhkab3814 Ah, yeah on track complications are so tricky, you're right it all happens so fast it's hard to make the perfect decision every time.

[@78logistics]

I had someone drop his bike right in front of me second track day...I was slowing and looking to set up to turn right after a long straight , when he blasted past then grabbed the brakes....my view shift centre and I followed his sliding bike off the track, fortunately kept it upright, regained the pavement and carried on.

[@cchief249]

@@78logistics yeah track incidents can be tricky, good for you keeping her on two wheels though!

[@jamesbazel3384]

Sorry about your friend and I hope he has a speedy recovery, I'm just curios if those were dunlop Q3 tires that he was running.

[@cchief249]

Thank you, he’s all good now! It was a new Dunlop Q4 he had just put on.

[@langhamp8912]

I've seen a lot of cold tire and highside crashes on various trackdays, it's just a very common situation whereby you remember going a certain speed in your previous session, and you go into the next session remembering that speed but it's inappropriate with cold tire. That may no longer be true nowdays since street and trackday tires have virtually no warm up time but the racers running slicks or DOT race tires will always have risky out laps.

[@xinyuxue868]

Sorry about your friend. I had the same situation on my zx6r with brand new rear tire. I somehow saved it. Any advice on what you supposed to do and what NOT supposed to do at the second you know your rear has slipped out?

[@cchief249]

Thanks man. Yeah they’re scary situations. My advice is to trim off throttle but not cut the throttle. You want some throttle for the rear when it catches traction again to hopefully save it. It’s common to get scared and chop the throttle, however this leaves no wheel spin to the tire when it catches, making the snap back worse. And definitely do not hit the brake, you want to minimize the inputs to the bike, they want to go straight just let it correct itself. Hope that helps!

[@xinyuxue868]

@@cchief249 I appreciate of ur prompt reply. I'll keep that in mind, thanks! Hopefully I can catch u at TH next season

[@cchief249]

@@xinyuxue868 for sure! I’ll either be on my R1 or KTM 890.

[@cheetah740]

Oof...wonder what made him not use the warmers?

[@cchief249]

He had just gotten the wheel back from the tire truck and sent it, unfortunate!

[@Eubanks187]

Great video man!

[@cchief249]

Thank you, thank you. Get your channel going let's see some Yamaha rips!

[@Eubanks187]

Didn’t even realize my YT profile pic for like a decade has been stew on a YZ250 😱 Meant to be

[@cchief249]

@@Eubanks187 haha I saw that!!

[@richardcole1280]

Fuuuck. It always worries the hell out of me when they don’t move. Is he doing ok?

[@cchief249]

For sure it does, scary. But yes he is doing great, minor concussion initially kept him pretty still for a while but he was released the same day!

[@richardcole1280]

@@cchief249 I wonder if the rear warmer had an issue

[@cchief249]

@@richardcole1280 no he had literally just put this new tire on cold, it didn't have any time in the warmer (which he had been using). But the Q4 is a street tire and doesn't have to have a warmer, just went away from him.

[@richardcole1280]

@@cchief249 the exact same thing happened to me on my second track day ever. Bought race tires at the track, didn’t have warmers or even know of them, then dumped it coming out of the pits.

[@cchief249]

@@richardcole1280 oh wow that's crazy. Tires are a weird one to figure out, I'm still learning, pressures/temps/cycles/wear/etc.

[@ferociousfrankie]

Damn that sucks! Glad to hear he's OK. I'm curious with the logistics when something like this happens. Did they take him to the hospital?Who takes his bike back? Presumably he has a car/trailer that gets left at the track? What a PITA.

[@cchief249]

Yep you're correct! Ambulance took him to the hospital where his family met him, I packed up his bike and pit area and they had a family friend come drive the truck away. But that's what the track fam is all about! Help each other out.

[@Renaissance_cycles]

@@cchief249you’re a good man and rider! You were scooting over there. Glad to hear he bounced back !

[@cchief249]

@@Renaissance_cycles thank you!

[@mattberning13]

I know you’ve said “no”, but it really does seam to me you target fixated (not that I would’ve done better). The way you barrel into his dust in a corner you easily could have made, and nearly hit his bike saying “god damn it”. Anyway, you’re a better rider than I’ll probably ever be, I’m glad he’s ok and I surely appreciate the video.

[@cchief249]

Maybe there was! From my recollection, we meant to go out together to get riding in, so I chose to go off with him to see if he was okay but also just because I wasn’t going to go out and ride alone, that wasn’t the point of that session. Also been in Cali long enough that I’m conditioned to their red flags, which is to stop on track to let ambulance out, so I would have just been sitting in track anyway, might as well be by him to help in any way I could. Won’t fully deny target fixation, but this was just my decision I made at that time. Good or better riders I’m not sure matters, we all know there’s a bunch of stuff that runs through our head when this stuff happens. Anyway, cheers!

[@MrMotorider100]

Absolutely under no circumstances should anyone ever stop to assist. The emergency personel need to get out as quickly as possible and they need everyone to first pit out. This is the first thing that is stressed at any track event. Also offering first aid can make matters much worse it’s not for us to diagnose.

[@cchief249]

I appreciate your comments and see where you’re coming from! However, this track org requires everyone stop on circuit immediately during a red flag, instead of waiting for all riders to pit out to dispatch ambulance. I wasn’t diagnosing so much as I was supporting him, I’ve also had medical training in the past, but am no means licensed so I didn’t do anything crazy and was careful to not move him.

[@groundcontrolgainesville4841]

Always nice to have a marine at your side during a traumatic event.

[@Dv1demon]

Did you come off intentionally or did you fixate?

[@cchief249]

Came off intentionally, knew they’d red flag and I’d have to stop anyway, figured I’d see if he was okay.

[@mach5zx10r]

I thought thought he fct up too or maybe figured there was oil on the track but after watching a few times it looks like he was just rushing to his aid. Good job man.

[@cchief249]

@@mach5zx10r thanks man.

[@Supernova12034]

suddenly dave moss has an american accent

[@cchief249]

He’s probably been over here too long! Ha

[@mach5zx10r]

I trust he’s ok. So did he just get the wind knockout of him? I didn’t see an airbag or did he crack his head? Good job rushing to help and just throwing your bike in the dirt. Genuine concern is nice to see.

[@cchief249]

Appreciate that! No airbag suit, he suffered a concussion but came to pretty quickly, wind definitely out of him for a bit but he was breathing okay quickly as well. All healed up!

[@mach5zx10r]

@@cchief249 scary that he cracked his head with a moderate crash like that. I use a Spidi airbag vest over my leathers, it’s the only airbag system I found that fully protects the neck. Very happy his head injury was no big deal, I was knocked out for a millisecond once, threw up too but I was fine.

[@cchief249]

@@mach5zx10r yeah I bought my techair5 vest right after this weekend. They're life-savers for sure! He was definitely blessed to make it out relatively unharmed. Ride safe out there!

[@mach5zx10r]

@@cchief249 I wear it I even if I’m squidding at 90+ deg, once you start wearing one you can’t stop. Without, it feels like you’re not wearing a helmet.

[@cchief249]

@@mach5zx10r I feel the same way! Soon as you don't you'll need it, how the world works haha. Actually popped mine for the first time (no crash, high side out of the seat but saved it and it popped), it's in my most recent short, have a look. Coming out of the last turn at Laguna last lap going for a double pass.

[@raymadani270]

Be safe bother.

[@cchief249]

Thanks! Always try to be.

[@TriAngles3D]

Rider at 0:58 seems focused on getting his elbow down rather than riding and holding his line as he sways back and forth. Stop riding like your part of a photo shoot or want to look the part. Feel really bad for the guy that lost the rear and high sided. Hope that he is ok. Seemed like his first crash. How did he not know how to ride in new tires? His body position was all wrong and lazy going in as well. How is one permitted on a track without proper basic training?

[@cchief249]

Yeah I agree but it is just a trackday, probably wanted a nice picture, let him live! lol. My buddy was okay, banged up but nothing serious thankfully. He's a very good rider, was just in a rush to get on track after getting the tire on and got caught out, simple mistake anyone can make!

[@TriAngles3D]

@@cchief249Yeah, I hear ya, I know the feeling. There to ride but also have a good time. The only photos I have are the fractures to prove it. :) Enforce good bike code. Very glad to hear he is ok. He just needed a moment to recover from the impact I presume.

[@timothykamholz7222]

Dang dude total fixated

[@cchief249]

@@timothykamholz7222 looks that way for sure, but I didn’t, was just pulling off to make sure my buddy was alright!

[@bladetc]

buy tire warmers! and dont fixate on the rider in front!!!!

[@cchief249]

He has them, the tire had just come back from install. I didn’t fixate, went off to help my friend.

[@jerichom11x]

And for the love of fuck don't move his head.

[@cchief249]

For sure! I was careful not to disturb it, I held it in place as I raised his visor so he could breathe. Beyond that I was just trying to be there for him until the medics arrived.

[@alienxyt]

Why do people first on the scene think they need to do something when they have no training?

[@cchief249]

Are you talking about me?

[@MyRaceR6]

This was kind of a red flag instance and he would’ve had to stop anyways. When I high sided I was grateful to the rider who opened my visor because that air gets HOT at TH.

[@garry636]

Ain’t nothin wrong with moral support

[@cchief249]

Coming back to this lol. I understand your concern, but you don’t know me. I’m an active duty Marine with combat life-saving training, and trained in wilderness survival. I opened his visor for airflow so he could breathe as one commenter mentioned, being sure not to disturb his cervical spine until medical arrived, and provided moral support and made sure he was breathing, conscious, etc. I did nothing wrong here except for the fact I could have laid my bike over farther away in case of fire, but the bike wasn’t that hot as we’d just left the paddock. Cheers!

[@jerichom11x]

Really not a good idea to tip over your hot bike that is full of fuel right next to an injured person on the ground.

[@cchief249]

I see where you're coming from, immediate concern was for me friend though. His bike was already in the dirt and I was just trying to help.

[@jessefpv9217]

When you Wreck? Rider Advice!! If & when you Wreck Riders!! if you can Speak Then Speak! & let other riders know your ok Or injured. But don’t just lay there And Pretend your Dead.. So Stupid. It Causes more drama and unnecessary medical staff.. I hate that when somebody is perfectly fine but just lays there pretending he’s really really hurt for no reason. So stupid.. I guess for Attention…

[@cchief249]

Pretending? lol you're delusional my friend. While he may not have had lasting injuries, he was far from fine after a hit like that. He didn't speak for some time because he suffered a concussion, relax man.

[@videoaccount4323]

Nice to see organ donors doing a track day and only endangering themselves and not responsible motorists.

[@cchief249]

Well aren’t you a bright soul.

[@zeroprofileracing2204]

What’s up buddy! Don’t know if you remember me , but you showed up to Thunderhill, your first time, behind Ed and I and the morning. I have the Ducati V4s. I will be at T hill east sept 3. What’s your Facebook? Need to link up! Glad you didn’t crash and glad the guys was ok!

[@cchief249]

Yeah of course! Ed get the Yami fixed? I was planning for the 3rd as well so I'll see ya there! Jordan Eubanks on FB 🤙

[@zeroprofileracing2204]

R1 was totaled. He Picked up a Gsxr1000 .. so did I! See you Saturday brother. You should pit with us. I think we have 11-13 guys coming.

[@bearrage80]

Ive ride thunderhill once. The race surface is horrendous and too narrow too.

[@cchief249]

@@bearrage80 honestly haven’t found either of those to be the case, it’s a great track in my opinion. Not as wide as some larger circuits but still a good course.

[@bearrage80]

@@cchief249 i rode it 20 years ago when i was a racer so maybe it’s gotten better.

[@cchief249]

@@bearrage80 this makes more sense! Ha yes it’s a great circuit nowadays!