Thursday Boot Company Captain in Canyon - Details of new Kingmaker Last, Unboxing, and Fit Review

[@rockymtnstyle]

Thanks for taking the time to check out the vid!

[@josephcase7004]

Great review, lots to digest. My 1 yo Captains in Brandy definitely feel narrow, but my 7 month old presidents in R&R Tobacco clearly use their intermediate last with the very round toe. I hope that with the very public announcement of the Kingmaker, Thursday will now be more methodical and open about when they make changes to their lasts. When I picked up my presidents, I expected an identical fit as my captains, but found them much more roomy in the toe (a good thing since I found the Captains a bit snug). Having to constantly play the guessing game with fit and sizing can be frustrating.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Hey, Joseph - great comment here. You're a perfect example of the possible frustration that can come from the tinkering. I plan on letting them know in my formal feedback that more info is definitely going to be a positive going forward!

[@sbentsen2714]

Dude you hit the nail right on the head with my situation as well, I've experienced the exact same thing owning a pair of captains that I got in July of this year, and a pair of presidents in matte black in the following month, and the presidents are a bit wider in the toe box and way way more comfortable. I was under the impression they were the exact same boot except for the cap toe, but I'm realizing that these captains I bought are not comfortable because they're too narrow in the front. 🤯 my mind's kind of blown right now having found the issue. 😄 Thanks for sharing!

[@rockymtnstyle]

Glad to hear we were helpful! Just FYI - I did pass this on to one of Thursday's founders with some suggestions about how to help identify which boot people have so they can make better choices in the future. We'll see if anything comes of it! :)

[@josephcase7004]

@@rockymtnstyle Thank you for passing along. Thursday’s customer service is usually spot on, so I would be surprised if they didn’t act on this feedback.

[@VictoriaStobbie]

You know what’s crazy? Just received my boots a few weeks ago. Everything you’ve shown is according to the Kingmaker last. Except the reinforced eyelets.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Hmmm interesting!

[@Zemity_]

7:01 I noticed the “splatter of glue” on soles on my new boots too. It shouldn’t affect how it wears. But it wigged me out when I saw it, because I was all like; “all I did was put them on in the house, where did this glue come from?!”. It’s not a defect. But on the other hand… damn, that stitching is on another level 😅

[@rockymtnstyle]

Hah! Yeah that's kinda weird right?

[@megasoid]

Good review as always, cool boots. Nice autumnal decor as well. Thanks bro.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Appreciate it! I'll tell the Mrs...she'll be stoked. 😎

[@gearhed7348]

i have some canyon captains with deep patina - very, very unique and cool vintage looking boot.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Nice! They sound cool. Hope mine get to that point. 👍

[@erikk.5202]

Excellent in-depth review, Patrick. You are right on about Thursday's customer service. Had a QC issue with their Heritage belt, and they quickly sent me a new one, and I got to keep the other.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Thx man! Did you snap a metal piece? I did that, but just like you I had a new belt in hand in like 4 days.

[@erikk.5202]

@rockymtnstyle No, the leather started to split. I did not have the belt but a couple of months. They just requested some pictures of the split, and if I still had the card of who did the QC on it. When they said I could keep the one that was splitting, I used Super Glue to "repair" the belt. It has held. The new one is still wrapped up in the bag it came in. I really like their Heritage belt and plan to purchase another one so i can closely match my Scout chukka that I have in Safari Suede.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Interesting. I guess they could go to a 1 piece construction if they wanted to avoid that! I really like the huge selection, too. Matching is cool. :)

[@mithrandir0704]

Thursday are my preferred price point, however I would like them more, and buy more of them if they had a rounder and larger toe box.

[@tnan123]

Nice thorough review. Thanks for the summary of the changes.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Thanks, Tnan! Glad to be able to get some info and share it!

[@jaythenihilist4689]

I think my biggest issue with Thursday is their QC. I have 8 pairs. 6 were perfect. 2 I had an issue with. The good thing, though, is that they do an easy hassle free exchange. I sent the ones back I wasn't happy with and had a new pair in less than a week, at no cost to me. Overall, I love my Thursdays. I think you get a great boot for the price. Just inspect them before you wear them.

[@rockymtnstyle]

You're not wrong. After my own experiences and reading about others, I think it's pretty safe to say they have a business model where they save some money on QC but understand that they need to basically give brand new product to anyone who complains. For them, that must work in the long run. I've had 2 QC issues myself (one boot, one belt) and another that could have been. So yeah - definitely agree.

[@stanleyblack6427]

I’m buying my very first boots and plan on going with the captains an do you suggest the Arizona adobe or the canyon? I’m a jeans, chinos, pants guy, and will use the boots for casual wear.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Congrats on your decision! Either is great, but I like the canyon for better coordination with a wide range of items. It's darker and can even go better with grays and blacks which the Adobe would take more finesse to do!

[@niks7643]

Great review. Very thorough and informative. Nice job.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Much appreciated! Wish I had more time to polish it a bit more, but wanted to get it posted!

[@MemphisCorollaS]

That’s great content explaining the differences between the Thursday lasts. It’s the one negative thing I’ve run into while considering Thursday for my next heritage style boot. Different reviews have said contradicting things especially about sizing within a few years of each other. Now I known why.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Thx for the comment. I brought this to them and they are aware. They have "release notes" now on boot pages so you can look at changes with dates. Definitely a step in the right direction.

[@MemphisCorollaS]

@@rockymtnstyle awesome! I don’t have any problem with them constantly trying to improve. It would nice if a lot of other brands put this much effort into improving fit & sizing in their lasts and adding width options actually. It’s the drastic changes in fitting and last shape without warning from an otherwise very transparent brand that would be the problem. I’m glad that they’re taking constructive feedback when they partner with content creators or even just see independent reviews. It’s probably why even some hardcore heritage boot people seem to respect the product.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Yeah, I agree with everything you typed. Well stated for sure!

[@jaythenihilist4689]

I have the Captains in Brown, from their classic line. And a new pair of Arizona Adobe Captains from their rugged and resilient line. The tow box on the classic line is definitely more narrow and pointy. On the R&R, it's more rounded off and roomy.

[@rockymtnstyle]

For sure. I've got the Natural CXL from the classic line and you're right. Different last. At the timing of this video, I was unaware that the classic line had a different last (Encore) and in my talks with Thursday, it never came up. I was a bit disappointed in the lack of info b/c they knew I was making a video about the last. Also they had just put up their "Release Notes" with the last name and I didn't notice it. This video, although it has some value still, could have been way better but I just didn't know what I didn't know. Thank's man!!

[@joshuacink]

The rugged and resilient captains and the classic line captains use different lasts. The rugged resilient/stormking now use the kingmaker and the classic line uses the encore last. I think they fit pretty differently especially around the ankle

[@rockymtnstyle]

Interesting that Thursday didn't mention that.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Also, that may have been true in past, but unless you know better than the co-founder it's not true now. He said all Captain boots now are on Kingmaker. Maybe he misspoke, but seems unlikely.

[@billf6103]

@@rockymtnstyle They are in fact currently still using the encore last for the classic line captains. you can click on the "release notes" link under each specific boot to see what last is being used. Also, I am currently working with customer service on an issue with a new captain in natural. She confirmed they are encore. BTW. appreciate the review and comparison. very helpful.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Hm. I'll be honest, I'm pretty embarrassed. I never even knew those "release notes" existed. In addition, in several back and forths the "encore" last never came up. Appreciate you guys keeping me straight. I'll put this incident in my report back to Thursday on the boot.

[@billf6103]

@@rockymtnstyle I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I also read several places where Thursday used the phrase "all" when referring to captains changing. I was confused as well. I had to look further into it.

[@Mil_Spec_Spartan_]

I’ve honestly moved past Thursday as my primary boot brand. They’re awesome value at entry level, but the step up in quality that you get from brands like Grant Stone, Ace Marks, Ranch Road, and Oak Street is just so noticeable.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Agree 100%. I actually haven't tried Ace Marks or heard much about them... You like, I assume?

[@Mil_Spec_Spartan_]

@@rockymtnstyle they’re awesome! Basically the Italian version of Grant Stone. They’re very dressy and elegant

[@rockymtnstyle]

Interesting... I'll have to give them a closer look and consideration! Thx!

[@longwalksguidemenerdwalk8866]

The main focus point here with Thursday boots is to make affordable boots. The owners said it on an interview.

[@sbentsen2714]

Dude this is awesome, bro I ordered a pair of captains and brown leather in July of this year. I kept the boots but it turns out they're not comfortable, and I've been trying to figure out what it is about the boot that's not comfortable. I then bought a pair of Presidents in matte black in August, and the toe box on that is a bit wider and it feels so much more comfortable, the difference is night and day. Putting the captain boots on again I think this is the reason why, the old last doesn't quite fit my foot. Thank you for sharing this, looks like I will be ordering a pair of brown captains pretty soon here to try out this new last 👍🏼😄

[@rockymtnstyle]

Heck yeah! Thanks for sharing man! Glad to know this helped at least 1 person!

[@Angel-AbC9]

They are priced so right , from built to leather they are truly a 199.00 boots and nothing more. I bought two pairs of thursdays and do not wear them since my truman , Grant Stone and whites are such a bigger league than them .

[@rockymtnstyle]

Agreed. If you need a nice boot and $199 is your budget, Thursday has you covered! I don't wear mine too often anymore, either.

[@elyaquino2310]

Thank you for sharing this review, very informative 👌

[@rockymtnstyle]

You are welcome. Happy to do it!

[@tonydillinger2553]

2 pairs of Thursdays I had to send back to Amazon because of QC problems, waiting on third pair. Will show up this Monday. then going to buy made in America pair from their website, hopefully no QC problems.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Ahh that's terrible to hear, Tony. Sorry you had to deal with that. The main issue with making the boot to $199 is the QC, I think. I haven't had to send things back twice, but I have had 2 returns in my Thursday buying career (1 boot, 1 belt). Thankfully, Thursday's customer service is absolutely top notch in my experience. Cheers, mate! Hope your 3rd pair is what you want.

[@rogerr.8507]

WHat about their EE wide boots? there are not a lot of wide options, were those all changed too!?

[@rockymtnstyle]

The website doesn't differentiate between the widths in their release notes, so it's a good assumption that the EE Captain boots are also on the new Kingmaker last.

[@Highland_Paddy]

Like I said before, I don't know if the Kingmaker is an improvement for me over the previous last, but it's gonna be at least another year before I need another pair of their boots to maybe find out.

[@Highland_Paddy]

I don't buy boots just so I can make videos and return them, which may disappoint some people, but that's when they can send me the free ones if they really want my input, right?

[@Highland_Paddy]

"Constantly Tinkering" are not necessarily words that give me confidence or whatever, though. I think Tried-and-True is also a selling point, but if there's something seriously wrong, then of course it should be changed, but most companies just cut corners after time and try to pretend they are giving you the same quality and value.

[@Highland_Paddy]

They could tinker with the President ones and make THEM fit better, but I don't know if they can save the Diplomat. Mentioned this before.

[@Highland_Paddy]

I forget which colors are which. I got one that looked horrible and I sent them back and then one looked good but they didn't have my size in stock or something back in January or whatever.

[@Highland_Paddy]

Nasty stitch. Hadn't seen that before.

[@robertogarcia3092]

Que chulada de botas amigo

[@rockymtnstyle]

Gracias!!

[@bluenerve]

Goodluck with your channel!

[@rockymtnstyle]

Thank you!

[@Eunegin23]

Annoying when you have to order online. The fit / sizing changes with the last.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Thankfully now there is much info and discussion to help sizing with the new last!

[@Eunegin23]

@@rockymtnstyle well, still a gamble. And frustrating after having found boots which fit... Should have bought extra pairs.

[@josemanuel2244]

What do you they about Thursday Suede"version?

[@rockymtnstyle]

My wife's Thursday chelsea boots in the dark olive suede have held up very well for her. I think the treatment of the suede looks good and is interesting, and does seem to have the weatherproofing qualities they claim. I don't have DIRECT experience with their suede, but I'd consider a men's version of the dark olive suede sometime in the future.

[@rafaelmontero1386]

Hey man I like your jacket! Where did you get it from?

[@rockymtnstyle]

Thanks! That's the Keanu Jacket also from Thursday.

[@steveb2618]

Thank you for the review!

[@rockymtnstyle]

Any time, Steve! Thanks for the comment.

[@ripsimps]

It’s hard to tell but is the Canyon colorway like a waxed rough out or are they just sorta shiny ?

[@rockymtnstyle]

Good question! It's like a waxed rough out, but a very fine rough out. Not super neppy. It looks GREAT with some wear now. Really a big fan.

[@Alex-mj2tr]

Just bought the shoes and was surprised at how dark they were. After wear do the shoes ever look exactly how they're shown on the website? How long does it take?

[@rockymtnstyle]

I had the exact same thought as you saw in the unboxing portion. Yes, they lighten. I'm around 12 wears with mine and where they crease near the toes is much much lighter, and the scuff marks on the side is much lighter... probably 1/2 way to the look on the website. They're good, though. Take the time to break in and I'm sure you'll be happy.

[@JonathonNunn]

Same issue here. I just got mine. They're much darker than the photos but I must say I do love the leather feel and comfort. They're slightly more comfortable than my Vanguards. I think I'm keeping them with the assumption that they will lighten a touch over time.

[@liljuanito123]

Where did you send the jacket to for alterations?

[@rockymtnstyle]

Took it to a local tailor here in Colorado Springs. They did fantastic. It looks like it came that way.

[@davetip79]

The toe on the new last is obnoxiously long . Who needs an extra three inches of shoe past your toes ?? Why change a last ? Why not create a new shoe ? People who are on their 2nd or 3rd pair now have to start from scratch . For me the combo or making the shoe more narrow and the shoe longer makes them look clownish

[@rockymtnstyle]

They do a lot of tinkering, that's for sure. Although, in reality, they don't feel like they have any more room in the front than my other 2 pairs (an Encore last and an RT3 last). Thx for the comment, Dave!

[@jvr5018]

The only good part is that you showed the quality flaws. $200 for those kinds of shit flaws and then having to go through three process of returning is ridiculous. Thanks. I’m bummed but $200 safer.

[@rockymtnstyle]

Thanks for the comment! Totally fair. But, even with the flaws, my overall experiences with Thursday have been overwhelmingly positive on boots, bags, jackets, etc. You gotta understand it's not "highest quality" like they say... but I still feel it's good quality for money when compared to many other pricier options.