Tiberian Sun - The Best Post-Apocalyptic World in Fiction

[@devinhallsworth5531]

I love how the aliens showed up and basically said "They're still alive?! AND THEY'RE STILL FIGHTING EACH OTHER?!?!?"

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

@@devinhallsworth5531 Still fighting over the ash heap. I loved the full introduction of the Scrin in C&C3.

[@BaxterAndLunala]

​@hhc_snowmangaming3309 A lot of people seem to have issue with the idea of the Scrin, believing aliens was the dumbest thing Westwood could've come up with. And yet, that begs the question of how Tiberium even got on Earth in the first place then, the odds of it happening by chance are extremely low.

[@skyvipers]

To be fair, they were tricked by Kane to coming to Earth way *WAY* earlier when he detonated (via the Ion Cannon) the liquid Tiberian bomb in the temple. The Scrin were thinking the planet was fully converted and ready to be harvested, nope lol.

[@andhikasoehalim3170]

@@skyvipers Dude spoiler jk

[@antimarmite]

welcome to Earth, alien bastards, this is not to be our tomb, but yours.

[@Luke_Danger]

"The bleaker the world, the greater opportunity for heroism." This is EXACTLY why GDI is one of my favorite factions in fiction, especially the Tib Sun era. They're not perfect by any means - it's clear that they have prejudices as we see with their relations with the Forgotten being frosty at best when TS starts, and Solomon ran a mean game with Hassan - but despite that... they're genuinely trying to save everyone. They're here to protect humanity from tiberium, even if in this era the best that GDI has is running away from the alien murder rocks. Nod probably got as far as they did because between cyborgs and the promise of Divination, by comparison Nod sounded like they had an actual plan. Yet GDI never gave the false hope that Nod did with their promises of Divination and becoming a divine people as humanity died mortally - they stuck to their guns and kept trying to save everyone. I came into the series with Tiberium Wars, but even though I prefer it as a game as far as a setting goes... Tib Sun was exactly where the series hit the right tones. It's bleak, but that bleakness doesn't mean that there aren't people trying to make the best of it. Lone Trooper as a track perfectly encapsulates GDI in my opinion - it's grim, it's dark, it's melancholy... but pushing through that and building steam is a defiant hope that sings clear, even if it is still melancholic. And aesthetically, you're right: TS felt like an actual terraformed world (especially Firestorm which really leaned into the tiberium flora and fauna), and that GDI and Nod were fighting through the ruins which also were mixed in with shiny new prefabs. By contrast, TW just made the Yellow Zones generic dusty ruins like it's Hollywood southwest Asia and the Red Zones were just the same with some tib glaciers, with no signs of the locals doing anything but live in decaying ruins. Tib Sun at least showed us people adapting and trying to build something, even if that quickly became weathered as well. Reclamation was basically just a background element tacked on rather than something front and center in the war. And of course, the swapping from Divination to Ascension giving Nod a complete rewrite that I think lost a chunk of their charm as amazing villains in contrast to GDI. All in all, a great analysis! Really glad you made it and that it popped into my recommended list at home after seeing it while jumping between music to listen to at work.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Fantastic treatise, no joke. I loved reading through your thoughts on the Tiberium universe. Yeah, I didn't mind C&C3 breaking the Earth into 3 zones, but I hated their take on Red Zones. Like you said, just giant Tiberium glaciers, but no Forgotten, no mutant creatures, no ion storms, no veinholes. Also, your take on Nod makes me want to replay Nod's TibSun campaign and do a video essay on them.

[@Arenumberg]

I think its fair to say that the Red Zones had just become a complete hell, a resource field ready for harvest, the end state - the Scrin weren't looking for anything to still exist at that point, not even tiberium life. Yellow Zones were a bit of an iffy one, but it was a good reflection of Nod being out of the game for a while, whilst GDI poured all its resources into their blue zones, and the saving grace of finding tiberium's resonance from the tacitus, getting that sonic tech and putting it to securing and even in one case pushing out those blue zones that they could. Its one of those stages we don't normally get to see in Post Apocalyptic fiction - where the end of the world as it was has happened, but it didn't do the whole job, the way to pull something back was found and is now being used in that "rebuilding" era, which is one that is often alluded to but rarely shown.

[@GeneGear]

I think the problem with TW was that they left behind the mutating ecosystem of Firestorm in exchange for generic crystalization of everything. Literally, they just went "naw, all tib-mutated life just upped and died, and what little still survives is slated for death too." Where in firestorm the constant brown was contrasted by bright phosphoretic neon life (which was absolutely a trend-setter for alien ecosystems from then-on), they just went full brown for TW with on occasion massive chunks of Tiberium. And that made it aesthetically not as pleasing to look at. And also broke their own lore in the process. The whole point behind the Scrin, Forgotten, and Nod, was that Tiberium WAS survivable...just not for a baseline human. That Tiberium was an evolutionary catalyst that WOULD bring new life, even if that new life was violent and horrible. That the battle between Nod and GDI was one over post-humanism vs. "a place safe for children to play." And instead of focusing on the human elements and overcoming, they just made TW typical post-apocalyptic: Tiberium=bad and Kane=bad because Kane=Tiberium. Instead of "Kane is bad because he isn't helping out the Red Zones as much as he pretends to do so, which causes tension among brotherhood leadership who want to save their people no matter the cost after being abandoned by GDI" they went "Kane secretly has good intentions yet bad methods, and the Brotherhood is bad because it is made up of selfish and greedy people that only Kane's religious fanaticsm keeps in check. GDI is objectively good, but keeps breaking the secrets to actually fixing the planet. Oh no, Scrin happened! Will these two factions come together to kick alien ass? NOPE! Kane isn't even human to begin with, and has instead been manipulating everyone into pointless wars just so that he can escape the planet (thank you title-that-shall-not-be-named-for-the-sin-of-killing-the-franchise)". Instead of...you know...waiting around for a few more centuries for humanity to naturally achieve spaceflight. Like, Kane could have just become a GDI scientist and worked his way up the political ladder, and could have achieved EVERYTHING he ever wanted, while not having to herd a flock of psychotically-religious cats and warlords with chronic backstabbing disorder. I get the point he was trying to attract the Scrin, and needed a really big bang for that to happen; but they very much portray him as focusing too much on R&D to actually pay attention to the administration and politics of his own goddamn organization.

[@yami122]

One thing I strongly disliked About Tiberium Wars Was that Kane is just arbitrarily back all of a sudden with no explanation And no one seemed surprised by his appearance so he's obviously been back for a bit And they pulled back from the Sci Fi elements both in the story and in the factions themselves with both earth factions having technology not that much more advanced than the first games going back to just normal tanks and planes And as you pointed out the scenario and the earth around everything doesn't seem as science fiction he as the second games with just Tiberian glaciers In the red zones and no more ion storms or exotic life and I really dislike that that both the forgotten as well as the Tiberium life forms that we're starting to form in the second game are just mostly gone and even the method that Tiberium used to spread was made less exotic and was more simplified where it just spreads from itself instead of using heavily mutated trees Although actually I would argue that kane was ultimately the good guy of the story As you discover at the end of the third game's expansion pack as well as in the nod ending of the second game that He was correct about Tiberium and the importance in changing to adapt to Tiberium it is not majorly focused on there is the background element to that the global defense initiative is basically Working to protect the first world Countries Europe and the United States and that the global defense initiative is largely made up of rich countries with poorer countries abandoned and exploited while the Brotherhood although it does target civilians it is ultimately working to serve the interests of the greater bulk of humanity there are more human beings in the Brotherhood of nods Territories than there are in the global defense initiatives territories

[@Luke_Danger]

@@hhc_snowmangaming3309 Glad you enjoyed! Maybe one day I'll get around to using them (I've got an Arcane/C&C T fic that I've been slowly cooking this past year as an excuse to really delve into the neglected of the tiberium 'verse and the fun parallels with the Arcane cast, but while I've got a ton of the worldbuilding it's at a point where I gotta write the story...) Yeah, if the C&C 3 RZ's were a "Red Zone desert" in contrast to the Firestorm's "Red Zone jungle" but we saw both, I think it would've been fine. Even if the Scrin wanted everyone dead (and this is something created in C&C 3 so we need to mind that), the Scrin existing would mean that it is possible for there to be tiberium-based life. The mutated ecosystem may not have been well suited for the multiplayer sphere, but it would've been perfect for campaign and building the world if our Red Zone deployments had the environment be as much of an enemy as the Scrin or other human faction. Instead we just get the glaciers and no garrison buildings, play as usual like being able to send in standard infantry rather than being forced to rely on Zone Troopers. Haha, glad you liked the take on Nod! It's a really fun faction to delve into and figure out because you've got a combination of psuedo-Abrahamic history and myth, mad science, warlords, and also Nod trying to bolt everyone they could into the faction to create a many-headed hydra and welding it into a cohesive whole. They talk a big game about helping people, but it's actually against their interests to deliver in full because they rely on whipping up mass anger to distract from the fact that Nod's promises of Divination never actually panned out (or what has panned out like Tiberium Infusion is conspicuously *not* used on anyone but expendable bullet fodder and suicide bombers)... but they also have genuine believers and all the potential shenanigans there as everyone takes it a bit differently. Is Divination a giving up our humanity to become something utterly alien, or just adapting our genome to handle tiberium?

[@dan_thesaint]

I am simple man, I see tib sun video, I click

[@BoyKhongklai]

Carpaccio

[@MarktheRude]

Klepacki was a damn genious.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

@@MarktheRude And still is. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmfLoGagipmVsK8si=EJzAF-ch9Ono2m9t

[@Nyerguds]

To be completely fair though, all of the most iconic tracks in Tiberian Sun were made by Jarrid Mendelsson.

[@alienhunter3]

He truly, truly is.

[@KanesJuenger]

Brother, you dont know what you have done! You just earned the respect of the most devoted fanbase in videogame history! In other words: Thank you for making this video!

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

No, thank you guys. As you all probably well know, being a C&C fan is tough, being the fan of a largely dead franchise. Seeing all of you sharing your memories with these games makes the experience feel a little less lonely, haha.

[@Youbetternowatchthis]

@@hhc_snowmangaming3309true. I played the f out of these games. Those where the good times

[@KMCA779]

Kane Lives in Death!

[@steriskyline4470]

​@@KMCA779IN THE NAME OF KANE!

[@markzosemsuello4016]

Peace through power! In the name of Kane!!!

[@0warfighter0]

Not to mention CABAL causing basically another apocalypse CABAL and firestorm are my favorite part of the setting.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Love CABAL. Maybe I'll do a video essay on his uprising someday.

[@Nyerguds]

Ah yes. An ecological apocalypse _and_ a robot apocalypse, all in one shiny green crystal package. Well. Not entirely robot, I guess. CABAL's processing power was largely made up of human brains.

[@Gurra88]

I like the foreshadowing during one of the mission briefings. "The imprisoned commander may have information vital to my.... Your movement." I never thought of that slip until I played Firestorm.

[@frankvandorp9732]

@@hhc_snowmangaming3309 Have you ever looked into the Twisted Insurrection mod? It's an alternative universe where NOD won the first Tiberium war and the spread of Tiberium is even worse than in Tiberian Sun, and it's really well made with awesome new units, it captures the same mysterious alien atmosphere even stronger. Unfortunately the mod is no longer being developed, but I had a lot of fun playing it.

[@wimdyslim]

Tib Sun was a horror game masquerading as an RTS game. I played this with my dad and brother a bunch, my dad loved the artillery Nod had. Thanks for covering this game, I feep as tho it gets overshadowed by Red Alert 2 and Tib Wars, both of which are fantastic but dont scratch the itch that Tib Sun does.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Excellent way of putting it. And my dad loved Nod artillery, too, haha. So glad they finally nerfed it in Firestorm and gave GDI the Juggernauts.

[@senpainoticeme9675]

@@hhc_snowmangaming3309 10 artillery tanks for defense is what you need to hold off 7 murderous hard AI.

[@Eschatonin6666]

GDI, 5 minutes after Tiberian Sun: "Looks like tanks are back on the menu, boys!"

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

For real. Unless you play as Steel Talons!

[@InnaSecond]

​@@hhc_snowmangaming3309Steel Talons rule!

[@Dulleron]

@@InnaSecond Guess who lost 3 MARVs to nod.👆

[@randomka-52alligatorthatis34]

How much Budget did GDI have before they went back to Treads lol.

[@saladinbob]

I wish they'd remaster Tiberian Sun. It's one of if not the finest RTS ever made.

[@claireredfield7368]

Me too.

[@TheSouthern1cross]

they'll ruin it... those OG dudes are loooong gone from the industry, just look at what they did to tib 4... that was a crime.

[@zaygr]

@@TheSouthern1cross The remasters of TD and RA were done by Petroglyph, most of them are ex-Westwood.

[@Meridiu5]

no need, other than bug fixes re-release honestly. game artwork was perfect as-is.

[@esbenm6544]

@@TheSouthern1cross Why look there when C&C and Red Alert remasters exist?

[@Hortifox_the_gardener]

Finally someone who get it. "Evacuate the civilians from the town" - *town is literally four bunkers with half a dozen people* - yes. Technological limitations of the time but they could render so many more infantry units. That is simply what is left.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

There's not much left of humanity, but GDI will defend it to the death, anyway.

[@MarktheRude]

It could have been potentially interesting experience to have a settlement or city builder-game to take place in the setting, with all the perils that whole setting entails.

[@tereninsecundus6084]

@@MarktheRude I would play that in a heart-beat.

[@Saviliana]

Most Post-Apocalyptic world in fictions: Deep-Fried McDonald's. Tiberian Sun: Moldy Orange.

[@mrfrankiej932]

One of the things I loved most about Tiberian Sun was despite being futuristic and post apocalyptic, it had the right amount of grit. It was absolutely unapologetic in it's portrayal of this world.

[@alphaecho3094]

Tib sun remains one of the most unique sci fi settings to date. Thanks for for rekindling my love for it, hopefully Totem arts gets RenegadeX firestorm out soon so we can experience it in first person.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

I've been following Renegade X Firestorm for what seems like forever.

[@nostro3546]

I like the nod news program that just casually talks about an execution

[@Luke_Danger]

It absolutely sets the mood for Nod in TS, doesn't it?

[@emultra759]

Tiberian Sun, along with the original Deus Ex, to me represents a direction of gaming that didn't end up happening, a potential future lost to the post-9/11 world of crises, wars, public pessimism, demise of the middle class, mass surveillance, technocratic corporatism, and anarcho-tyrannic world rule that we are now experiencing. It was a culmination of 1990s optimism and technological advancements that could be named “techno-optimism”, perhaps-a cyberpunk for a better world.

[@swangre]

I really liked C&C3. It is a super well made game and had some grandeur, but man I wish to see the world of Tiberian Sun explored further. It's so 90's, dark, mysterious, dangerous, unpredictable and super interesting.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Oh yeah, I loved C&C3, too. Especially the GDI Campaign. I'll probably do a video on that someday. And I think Kane's Wrath improved a lot on the initial game. But yes, there's something so 90's (almost grimdark) about Tiberian Sun that I miss from C&C3.

[@swangre]

@@hhc_snowmangaming3309 Exactly 👍

[@OAM47]

The Tiberium line of C&C games are my all time favorite of any video games. TD was my first video game ever, and I still have a soft spot for TS, with C&C 3 being much loved but decidedly behind them. Still, once 3 came out, I actually kind of appreciated the setting of TS a bit more, imaging as if the entire time I had been fighting in that game as GDI the blue zones had been out there needing to be defended as well. For me, that made it feel like the stakes were higher, though I can see how others might believe it actually lessened the stakes.

[@Parisbre56]

I think you'll appreciate this playlist. The world of TS recreated in the unreal engine set to some great music: kzbin.info/aero/PL_T-ak7K7OlYz13RPoWoJ9_0HshfrkWRB&si=PRiv6HExDOzrEWKV

[@emultra759]

TibSun has this late 90s mix of “bright” sci-fi (like Stargate SG-1) and bleak post-apoc. It's neither optimistic like Star Trek: TNG nor grimdark like WH:40K. It's just a great atmosphere.

[@CABAL_REBORN]

I am very pleased to see another video Praising Tiberian Sun for its superb atmosphere. Bravo!

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Username checks out

[@CABAL_REBORN]

If by chance you do actually make a Video revolving around CABAL, let it be known I have done voice work in the past to recreate his iconic voice. I'm the voice behind the new lines in "Tiberium wars Advanced" mod for Tib wars. Also a side note: if you have not seen it yet , Tiberium Genesis for ARMA has made some pretty great strides this year.

[@Pendrokar]

Or just use the TTS voice from the online demo: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKTGeYmmiNyci9k

[@CABAL_REBORN]

@@Pendrokar I have seen your video before, crazy its been 2 years since then. The issue I have with such a recreation is allot of the (ironically) Human elements to CABALs voice are lost. The air of superiority in every line, the absolutely demeaning attitude that is delivered by his original VA (Industry veteran Milton James) is what makes CABAL such a great character. Firestorm is the best example of this with CABAL taking center stage, and Milton's VA work in the cutscenes stands out to me.

[@MoistJas]

After playing C&C & Red Alert, Tiberian Sun was the first game bought once my family got a PC, it blew my mind. I went in expecting to play more fun army mans but got sucked in by all the things you laid out in your video. I'll never forget the two Nod Light infantry that die during mission one intro scene.

[@Nyerguds]

A few notes: * Carter was in the gunboats assaulting a Nod base that would be the first sighting of the Nod Obelisk. He did not survive that, so he didn't get the chance to succumb to his tiberium illness. * The Tiberium fiends might be called "DOGGIE" internally in Tiberian Sun's internals, but I doubt they are mutated dogs; they very clearly resemble pigs/hogs, even having visible tusks on the sprites. * Veinholes are _not_ actually new in Tiberian Sun; while they didn't appear in-game in Tiberian Dawn, one was already shown in a cutscene of a helicopter flying over a tiberium-infested desert. Note that visceroids also already existed in Tiberian Dawn; they spawn randomly in the game's multiplayer mode.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

All true. I didn't know Visceroids showed up in TibDawn's multiplayer. That's crazy that Westwood was worldbuilding that far ahead.

[@Nyerguds]

@@hhc_snowmangaming3309 Actually, all the concept art we got from the Tiberian Dawn development era _are Tiberian Sun concepts._ Jumpjets, cyborgs, aliens, microwave cannons... it's all there. They deliberately made Tiberian Dawn as prequel to the post-apocalyptic story they _really_ wanted to tell, probably because they knew the technology of computer games wasn't ready for the stuff they had in mind.

[@Nyerguds]

Another indication of this is that even the very first release version of C&C1 already had a Tiberian Sun trailer in it.

[@Henskelion]

As a kid, I always interpreted the Tiberian Fiends as more pig-like, since they make a weird oinking sound when attacking. Though the game does make what they actually are a bit confusing still, seeing as in one Firestorm mission, a Mutant soldier refers to them as "hounds".

[@Infinitelyperplexed]

@@Nyerguds I thought that was Dune 2000... (released '98)

[@tibrochief7896]

Kanes lack of ageing becomes even more curious when you see his appearance goes unchanged from the second world war (aided stalin and soviets from red alert) all the way to TW3. From world war 2 (alt 1950s) to TW3 Kanes Wrath (2052) he has lived over 100 years unchanged as far as we know. Renegade also hints that Kane may be the original Kane from the bible, as a shrine dedicated to the killing of Abel as a special spot for the leader as he says "careful Parker, you tread on sacred ground".

[@vonshroom2068]

Correct but he does die everytime you defeat Nod. He just doesn't stay dead is all. Kane died in Tiberium Dawn. Kane died in Tiberium Sun. Cabal "Kane as a murder AI" died in Firestorm. Kane dies in Tiberium wars. In Firestorm it is revealed in the end Kane was Cabal and had a meriad of clone/resurection tubes ready for Tiberium wars. Also in renegade we get reminded of the Kane resurection tubes. My main gripe in Kanes wrath (or was it tiberium wars?) is that they had to really show the metal casing wasn't attached to him linking to him being another resurected clone. They could have done a bit better with the make up making the reveal a bit more surprising for those that don't know Kane keeps cloning/resurecting himself since the dawn of man. Also it would have been nice for Kane to be revealed as the defacto outcome of red alert 2 and 3 making his omnipotence even more compelling. As for the one we do not talk about they really botched the story assuming everyone knew who and what Kane was. And then leaving with not a hint as to what would come next.

[@Nyerguds]

@@vonshroom2068 CABAL wasn't Kane as a murder AI, quite the contrary; CABAL _stopped_ being murderous when he retrieved Kane's body and linked it up to himself. The people in the tubes looked nothing like Kane. CABAL stands for Computer Assisted Biologically Augmented Lifeform; he was a true "cyborg AI", using human brains for his processing power.

[@VallornDeathblade]

Have you seen the most recent video from Joseph Kucan? He doesn't look like he's aged a day.

[@Nyerguds]

@@VallornDeathblade Only because he dyed his beard, though.

[@tibrochief7896]

@VallornDeathblade sure but you don't look unaged after 100+ years of living

[@madness5157]

This is probably one of the best explanations of the Tiberian world I've ever witnessed!

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Thanks! I had a blast making it

[@alienhunter3]

This video hits all the feels. I've been telling everyone that likes SciFi for a long time about how awesome this universe was. It's a strategy game, but the thought that went into crafting the universe is next-level. Humans struggling to survive as the world is literally terraformed (xenoformed?) around them into something unrecognizable, being helpless to actually stop it. They absolutely NAILED the atmosphere for it. I don't think the game could have even worked without the soundtrack; it was brilliant. I don't always like depressing stories, but this one is bleakly beautiful.

[@hudo108]

I wholeheartedly agree. The post-apocalyptic setting depicted in Tiberian Sun is my favorite as well. It's one of the most atmospheric games I have played. And one of my favorite games of all time.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Westwood really made something special with TibSun

[@peacefullcat2408]

I have been trying for years to formulate why I love Tib sun even though I like generals and Red alert 2 gameplay better. And here I find a video that describes it perfectly! It’s the setting! It’s the feeling of fighting a world war as the world is actively going through an apocalypse! I love that about the game. I also do enjoy the gameplay, I enjoy how I can’t ever feel completely safe in my base because of the constat fright of Nod underground tanks. I enjoy that as it gives me a reason to use walls and concrete. Also how super weapons would deform the ground, I don’t think any other of the games in the series did that? Anyway thanks for the video, you gave me a great moment of joy!

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Exactly. And I could do a whole video on the unique gameplay mechanics of TibSun like subterranean units and deforming terrain that never got used again in C&C

[@nekophht]

@@hhc_snowmangaming3309 Imagine if the dropship loadout concept hadn't been scrapped for TibSun too. C&C2 was wild. :D

[@scienz0220]

The Carry all and different mechanical skills like disruptor diagonal fade aways, and sub apc harassment are examples of why it was the best. I could never play red alert because it was a mess comparatively

[@alexshank1414]

Tib Sun is definitely my fav C&C and I played it religiously. It had such a fantastic combination of plot, actors, soundtrack, new tech, and art design. And the flora and fauna in the game makes it extremely uncanny in its own right. Something C&C 3 lost, but is still a great game. I will always remember the “KANE LIVES!” reveal and the haunting NOD ending cinematic of the Philadelphia destruction “Peaceful…isn’t it?”. Favorite song: Scouting. I’ve commented before saying that Tib Sun would be a good starting point for a movie or tv series. With its distinctive dystopian future, idiosyncratic factions, intriguing new tech, layered characters, unique tiberian lifeforms, and a backstory grounded in the first Tiberium War. I should have been a screenwriter.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Dude, a TibSun streaming series would be legit

[@nazgir5343]

Oh boy, SLAVIK! Slavik was such a great character, and being a pretty C-list actor vs some quite top-notch ones like Michael Biehn and especially James earl jones, held his own so much. Cnc 3 did him such an injustice killing him offscreen. The Peaceful line still gives me chills. And I totally agree about the series thing!

[@KanesJuenger]

As the Forgotten say: "Tiberian sun will NOT be forgotten!"

[@TUXmint]

A rare GDI enjoyer appears, neat! I mean. HERETIC! KANE LIVES!

[@Doldykins]

PEACE THROUGH POWER!

[@KanesJuenger]

Brotherhood! Unity! Peace!

[@Insanir]

@@Doldykins One vision, one purpose

[@GunRunner106]

i love tibsun and firestorm. in firestorm i like how a lot of the missions were more related to another. in one of the nod missions you have a team of commandos to infect ppl with tiberium to incite a rebellion against a GDI base. in the GDI campaign ya the commander who has to defend that base. was neat stuff. just a shame they didnt had enough time to make the forgotten a fully fledged 3rd faction tho~ it is still one of my most cherished games tho.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

@@GunRunner106 Yeah, I loved the interconnectedness of Firestorm's campaign, too. And yes, Westwood was planning on making the Forgotten a full faction in the base game, and they were planning to make CABAL his own faction in the Firestorm expansion instead of a reskinned NOD. Ah, what could have been.

[@jonrhoades1845]

A man of culture I see. I absolutely loved Tiberian Sun. A shame the same aesthetic wasn't kept for CnC 3.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Agreed. I missed the TibSun design aethstetic in TibWars. But I get my TibSun fix in Kane's Wrath by playing Steel Talons.

[@Templarfreak]

the way you described earth here made me realize: Tiberian Sun in a way is Gemini Home Entertainment 20+ years before it ever existed. except the big evil eldritch planet that wants to eat you isnt making its way to us from outer space, *it's already here and you're living on it.*

[@navyrotc2012]

Command and conquer vids is a excellent way to boost a channel with the most dedicated fan base with no new game in 14 years to follow you religiously. Glory to Kane.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

I hope I don't get pigeon-holed into just doing Command & Conquer, but I agree. No one has a fanbase like ours. I look forward to doing more C&C vids in the new year. I honestly didn't expect such a response to this vid. Especially for TibSun.

[@KanesJuenger]

Kane lives in death! Command and Conquer lives in death!

[@MagralhoPT]

Peace through power!!!! Cant wait for the 4th game in the series

[@Sk00maPipe]

Probably one of the toughest RTS games I've ever played as well. Truly an amazing and stand-out example of the genre.

[@andhikasoehalim3170]

As a kid I had no idea what was going on since I barely knew any English at the time. But I will always remember how cool the Hover MLRSs were. I also agree that Generals is the most enjoyable game for me. I remember hotkey-ing individual Raptors and have them kill every tank the AI had before rolling in my own tanks to steamroll everything.

[@bananarepublic5655]

I was too young to appreciate this when the game came out. But eve at that age, I could recognize that the world was really bleak comapred to Tiberian Dawn.

[@RaderGH]

12:34 Valves, for me the track that takes me back is Valves. So many late nights playing this game. Love it! Peace through Power!

[@frostburn3736]

*_"The world will end not with a bang, but a whimper. Quiet, stagnant and green."_* - That's world of Tiberian Sun in nutshell. I'm also big fan of C&C franchise since early childhood and TS was my first game ever in the series. Hell, not long ago I ordered avatar of GDI soldier based of fanarts and graphics from the friend (looks great so far btw). The series and this installment in particular are surely underrated. But the one thing that always keeps me enthralled with this universe is the irony of the whole ordeal: that our silent killer is also our omnipotent savior. *_We hate it, but we can't live without it._* And Joe Kucan playing as Kane is just so iconic you can't turn away.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

@@frostburn3736 Absolutely agree. Tiberium is such a cool world ender in fiction, and it's a shame EA is just sitting on an IP with so much potential. Although, at this point, benign neglect might be better than what Blizzard is doing with their RTS franchises.

[@AAK625]

My favorite game. I love you for covering Tiberian Sun.❤

[@BlakesSanctum]

Thanks for making this. I often tell people this is one of my favourite dark apocalyptic universes and they look at me surprised cause they'd either forgotten it or thought of it as a scifi game. RA2 is prob my favourite in the series for gameplay but for me nothing beats CnC2 Tiberian Sun for atmosphere and universe. I loved all those night missions and green tiberian fields glowing in the darkness. I loved all the cutscenes and the actors involved even more! Assembled together they actually make a pretty cool cheesy retro 90s apocalyptic scifi film hence why you see people putting them all together as a 'movie' on youtube. The fact that to this day we have more and more truly amazing fan mods (eg Twisted Insurrection, Shattered Paradise, Tiberium Crisis, Tiberium Resurrection, Crystallized Doom etc) coming out continuing the Tiberian Sun story shows just how powerful and immersive CnC2's world was. Hell it's dark apocalyptic world also inspired me to make a Tiberian Africa scenario for Sid Meier's Civilization 2 which I'll be releasing soon! I really hope EA let Petroglyph remaster CnC2 one day!

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Yeah, it's tough being a fan of such a long forgotten game in a long forgotten franchise in a long forgotten genre of video games. The best part about making this video for me is seeing how many other people were also inspired by TibSun's worldbuilding and atmosphere.

[@iokuu]

The fact that almost every RTS adjacent game with a big modding community has some sort of Tiberium mod is telling.

[@edwardmorrissette5817]

What do you mean this man has less than 300 subs? S tier video

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Thanks! Honestly, I'm just super thankful, regardless. I had 34 subscribers earlier this week, haha

[@edwardmorrissette5817]

@hhc_snowmangaming3309 you deserve more big guy. Keep putting out the good stuff

[@wahlex841]

Fallout and TibSun absolutely left a mark on me back in the day. If I had to describe the atmosphere of those games, the word 'viscous' comes to mind, and it's something I've been craving more of ever since.

[@techstormdarkvision3590]

The great thing is this game is freeware, and maintained by a devoted community, so anybody with a Windows PC can play.

[@GoonerDefenseInitiative]

I absolutely adore this games artstyle and unit designs

[@texanpotato8349]

Nothing ever captured its essence as well

[@RatmirOdekov]

Nice job! Happy to be in the first hundred of viewers of this video

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Thanks! Happy to have you

[@DarkDramon]

You just made recover my old ea accoubt password to play this again. Amazing work reminding us what this game is like. And i agree, C&C 3 didbt have that "feel" to it like tiberian sun did and i couldnt put my finger in it.

[@Insanir]

Kane lives! I'm fascinated with the Tiberium Universe since Command & Conquer 64. Tiberian Sun's atmosphere and Tiberium as a concept are truly unique.

[@SupremeRTS]

The world building in tiberian sun and tiberium wars is some of my favorite in any fictional universe

[@ecclesiastesbuilds]

This game was such a gem! And like you've highlighted, the world building was top notch!

[@Henners1991]

Very well done! Command & Conquer is one of those childhood franchises that I was obsessed with as a kid. I think Red Alert was my first PS1 game! Anyway, was interesting stuff about the campaign in C&C 1 - being a dumb kid at the time, I didn't get any of that foreshadowing. It's interesting to think that Westwood really must have been thinking ahead for what they wanted to do with the universe later on. On a surface level, the plot/premise for C&C 1 seemed quite simplistic, so it's surprising to see there was depth the whole time.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Yeah, Red Alert 1 was my first C&C game, and I only played Tiberian Dawn due to the recent Remaster. I was pleasantly surprised how well the story and universe was crafted even from Westwood's first game. 100& Agree.

[@CarlRaven91]

You made me relive my childhood so much! Gosh, I remember revisiting Tiberian Sun before the C&C Remastered Collection got released, and those two definitely brought back my childhood memories! GDI was my favourite faction to play as in both games. Also, can't forget that amazing OST by Frank Klepacki and Jarrid Mendelson!

[@yehudamenachem8357]

Great video man, I was too young and stupid to really appreciate tiberiun sun, but dang did I love those graphics

[@mrlucasftw42]

The audio on this game really built the atmosphere up too.

[@Ash-iu7bu]

Amazing video analysis, I couldn't agree more with all of the points. I'm always glad to see video essays on this game as it has definitely been a major influence in my life, especially with the well designed atmosphere and music.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

I'm glad to see so many people here who also saw TibSun as a formative experience.

[@Itachi21x]

Great video! Tiberian Suns atmosphere is unmatched.

[@josh113866]

Damn, this is my jam, awesome video. Tib Sun is my favourite RTS of all time. There really isn't another game that has such atmosphere that I've found. Nailed the soundtrack too, Pharotek and Nod Crush are just the best, instantly takes me back.

[@albertakesson3164]

Thanks for making this, this series really need more attention!

[@DrWhite]

Love to see someone else in love with this game. It holds a truely special place in my heart

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Holy Crikey, Dr. White! I still remember seeing your Tiberian Sun video years ago. Happy to have you here!

[@pyramidsong]

Wonderful video that perfectly articulates my feelings about this game. I listen to the Tiberian Sun soundtrack constantly while I work.

[@KalleBowo]

Love Tiberian Sun, good job with the video!

[@CarlWoe]

There were so many tiny great things about this game. The "genesis pit"? The name alone was promising answers to the mysteries. Sometimes I would take the moment and hover over the neutral buildings, premium condos, joes steakshouse, waterpurifier, tier 2 dwellings and would then start to puzzle the world together.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Absolutely. I used to do the same thing with all the civilian buildings in TibSun, too

[@cabalcore2555]

Started my C&C journey with the original when my mom bought it. Somehow, I was never exposed to Tib Sun and jumped straight to C&C Red Alert and RA2 and continued from there until GZH. Once I became an adult, I always went back to play RA2 and played thousands of hours of it. However, whenever I bought the complete collection about 8 years ago and played through all of them in release order. I ALWAYS go back to Tib Sun the most just due to the atmosphere and gameplay. With Twisted Insurrection and The Second Tib Wars mods being stand-alone and free, I keep on playing. Thanks for making this video. I wish more were out there to watch!

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Interesting C&C journey you've had. I hope to make more C&C content like this in the new year.

[@cabalcore2555]

@hhc_snowmangaming3309 it's definitely a weird one lol. After Dr White's videos, I can't get enough C&C content. I'm definitely subbing

[@obsidianspectre4281]

Huge fan here as well. Great tribute video. I took my bike 10 kilometers each and every day to use my sisters computer for this game. I lived in this world.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

It's an easy world to get lost in, for sure.

[@Altaranalt]

14:55 that's crazy. I was about to leave a comment about how this line haha

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Iconic line

[@RogueDawson17]

Holy crikey, without a doubt this is the most engaged fanbase ever! I feel so out-of-place having only played Firestorm and Generals 😂

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

I mean, you've played the 2 best ones in the series, in my personal opinion. (Here come the RA2 fans, haha)

[@desertmammoth3159]

@@hhc_snowmangaming3309 Just don't make my mistake and innocently tell people in the Remastered Steam forums that you really enjoy playing OpenRa...

[@Alixir_of_Life999]

Pretty sure that the last appearance of Carter, who I doubt is your subordinate, was just before he sailed his missile ship into the path of Nod's brand new Obelisk laser. Always loved that mid part of the GDI campaign where you're lucky if you got an MCV cause of the budget cutbacks

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

You are correct. Although, given the fate of many who succumb to Tiberium poisoning, that may have been a blessing. I loved the middle mission of the GDI campaign, too! The idea that real-world politics and Kane's media manipulation would hamstring GDI is such a cool idea. It's cool that that concept kinda makes a return in C&C3.

[@pauldudley1273]

i was just about to comment that i wish i could experience that first mission again.. and you ended the video with it :D very nice. also 1 of my favourite games from back in the day. As a kid I used to get my mom to take me to an internet cafe just to play it.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Glad you caught it at the end. "Where the hell are those reinforcements?!"

[@bringbackmy90s]

Best video on Tiberian Sun I have ever seen here in Germany since 1999. (It was called here C&C3 back then).

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Really? Was it because Red Alert 1 was considered to be C&C2?

[@bringbackmy90s]

​@@hhc_snowmangaming3309 exactly my friend. And during the year 2000, you would find all the german magazines talking abour C&C4 when referring to Red Alert 2, although it was not officialy named 4 on the cover, unlike Tiberian Sun ("Part 3"). So there was much confusion in Germany after the "real" C&C3 and C&C4 were released😅.

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

I find it tragic that no other game manages or even tries to follow up on Tiberian Sun. Even Starcraft falls short. In Tiberian Sun the world itself is alive and hostile. From the blossom trees, to the spreading Tiberium fields to the fiends, the floaters and the visceroids. The veinhole monsters and the Ion storms... You fight a dying world whilst waging a meaningless war.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Same. Why has no RTS since TibSun showcased gameplay where the world itself is fighting back against you, in addition to the main conflict?

[@stevensegal4294]

Man i love this game, had the special edition with firestorm in a big ass golden box, played it online and on lan with friends. May your channel grow like a tiberium.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Thanks! The crystals must flow...

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Tiberian Sun needs a remaster like the first two games

[@sayaanamalinovskaya]

Tiberian Sun is one of my favorite settings! The game is older than I am, but I played it when I was young as one of my first games and it influenced my interests greatly. I wrote fan fiction of it and I ran a tabletop RPG campaign in it, and I am considering doing a solo RPG in it again too! Thank you for this video and showing people how amazing and evocative this world is!

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

You did a tabletop RPG of TibSun? What system did you use?

[@Greippi10]

Calling it "the best post-apocalyptic world in fiction" is a bold statement :D but who am I to question that, I admire your passion! Tiberian Sun is one of the coolest RTS games ever! I loved the GDI unit designs, such strong MechWarrior vibes!

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Definitely MechWarrior vibes. Also, a lot of Colonial Marines influence from Aliens, I feel. And definitely Terminator.

[@OrderRed]

agreed. Even as a kid I liked TS the most, and now as an adult I come back to it every once in a while. The other games are just not that replayable. There were so many things, story and even gameplay/unit wise I wish they had continued. The hover craft in C&C3 can't even fly over water...

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Yeah, unfortunately, limitations of the SAGE engine used in C&C3 meant removing a lot of the gameplay mechanics from TibSun. I still enjoy C&C3 a lot, especially Kane's Wrath.

[@Redeyes0815]

I agree with you on many points. I do like Tiberium Wars, especially because it combines newer elements from Generals with classic elements from C&C (e.g. you have the classic construction bar on the edge, but it is now organized in such a way that you can still operate several weapons factories, barracks, etc. at the same time, instead of only producing in one and additional factories only giving a bonus to the construction speed), that you learn something about the possible origins of the aliens and Tiberium with the Scrins, or that the story has now been written in such a way that the events of the two campaigns complement each other instead of contradicting each other (and thus the story of Nod is basically simply declared "non-canon" with the next part), but I think it's a real shame that they have "backtracked" from the more futuristic setting. EA has tried to explain why it looks like GDI and Nod have regressed technologically, or why Tiberium now behaves completely differently, but in my opinion it doesn't really make sense. Tiberium is now described as a self-replicating crystal that simply converts all matter it comes into contact with into Tiberium (which should explain why there are no more crater monsters, flowering trees or other strange Tiberium flora and fauna... I think they even wanted to remove blue Tiberium at the beginning wtf...) but they have apparently overlooked the fact that this makes no sense. Tiberium is so valuable because it sucks nutrients and minerals out of the ground, spreads as a result and is easy to harvest. If you change that, it would no longer make sense to harvest Tiberium (at least as a resource, liquid Tiberium research excluded for now). The same goes for weapons technology, according to EA, for example, the GDI shut down their mechs (except for the Juggernaut) because they were too expensive to produce and maintain and so they switched back to classic tanks (which feels like a step backwards). Yeah, sure, if there's one thing we know then it's that the modern military pays more attention to reliability than to efficiency (in order to keep maintenance, logistics and personnel costs low, training an infantry soldier is probably easier than a highly specialized engineer) so the mechs from Tiberian Sun were efficient and reliable enough for years to keep them in service for over 20 years and now they're suddenly too expensive and maintenance-intensive? nope... I don't buy that from EA... especially since Nod is fielding their own mech unit with the Avatar... and there are many examples like that... as much as I like the Vertigo Bomber, even it feels like a step backwards compared to the Banshees... (but to be fair, Tiberium Wars also has a lot of good units that feel like a step forward, such as Venoms, Zone Troopers, FireHawks or the Avatar mentioned above).

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Yeah, I agree. Tiberium needs to still be leeching ores and materials from the ground or else why are they are harvesting it? I always assumed Tiberium still was even if it was never said outright that it was. C&C3 is a mixed bag for me, but I do still love it, too. I can't help but love Mammoth Mk. III tanks despite my love of the walkers, Zone Troopers are awesome and would be way more useful if Tiberium spread everywhere on the map. But Nod developing walkers never sat right with me, personally.

[@skyvipers]

@ 10:45 - Your Dad seems real based, probably even researches shoes for his GLA "workers".

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

My dad is awesome, haha. He prefers USA Laser General, though.

[@skyvipers]

@@hhc_snowmangaming3309 100% my old favorite as well, 2nd favorite is China Infantry General. Laser Crusader and Turret are OP 🙌🏼💪🏼

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

@@skyvipers Okay, now I have to do a video essay on Generals for my dad, haha

[@skyvipers]

@@hhc_snowmangaming3309 subscribing right now then lol 💪

[@TheSouthern1cross]

just listening to the soundtrack takes me back to being 11 again... this game had an incredible aesthetic that captured that "doomed world" aesthetic, it was oppressive, depressive, and yet cool af!

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Jarrid Mendelson did a fantastic job with TibSun's soundtrack. Truly iconic.

[@89volvowithlazers]

the series i think did connect dads and sons and daughters in playing tbh, i know it did at my house. we would all share the events of our missions in all the games of the series it was good stuff, ...yeah ok yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah ok , clicking on the civilians was fun just in and of itself ")

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

C&C is the "Dad RTS", for sure, haha

[@martind5653]

Peace through power, my children.

[@rvr1013-e3e]

There are so many vids about C&C series which I always watched just to get some nostalgia about Tiberian Sun times, but this one strikes right at the heart perfectly summarizing why I love this game so much. I also played TS as a kid, in my part of the world it was pre-Internet era with games found only as illegal CD rips and by some miracle dad got an original copy with full soundtrack and cutscenes. I felt like living a secret life in 2030 after school, the immersion was that great. C&C series had many good games before and after, but none had that unique dark, looming and believable atmosphere in them. The soundtrack also got me into ambient music some years later (Ion Storm track).

[@pmather1296]

Twenty years later and Valves is still firmly lodged in my memeroy, ready to be recalled at any moment.

[@MrGregory777]

I played this game a lot in my teens on my Pentium 3

[@andrewminter3450]

Love the video you nailed why C&C fans still love this series. Even though EA killed it with that game, we never talk about And you are right. The game was great, but the music and aching of kane was perfect, and the world was destroyed slowly, and NOD was not helping at all with its destruction

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

@@andrewminter3450 Thank you! I still adore this franchise (except the game that shall not be named). And Joe Kucan killed it with his role as Kane.

[@Gurra88]

I remember watching the trailer for this game some time back in 1999 and I was absolutely fascinated. I was about 11 years old and couldn't just buy it because I didn't have that kind of money but I got it for Christmas the same year. Great success.

[@lachlanwilliams5818]

Love this game! It was the first time I lost track of time playing a game. We seriously need a remaster.

[@castedaway13]

I like how you wrapped exact my thoughts and feelings od desolate wasteland in Tiberian sun. However there are some missions in C&C3 that extended that feeling. But soundtrack is still unmatched

[@AnetaSuns]

This was my favorite game for many years! And I still play it from time to time :) Countless hours of map making and modding. Ahh. and mix tapes with tracks from this game... that was the times :)

[@michaelmutranowski123]

I know story-wise it's Command & Conquer, Tiberian Sun, Tiberian Wars, but visually it looks more like Command & Conquer, Tiberian Wars, Tiberian Sun.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

You're not wrong

[@colebehnke7767]

I’ve never played Tiberiam Sun, but I always felt it was the most thematic of the C&C games. What I would do for a mix between Tiberiam Sun, SMAC, and they are billions. Hows this, You play as the captain of the colony ship Providence, the second and last colony ship to be sent to the planet LK-9. Upon your arrival you find the first colony ship, the Dove, had crashed into the planet, and the cities built on the surface abandoned. Trapped hundreds of light years away from the nearest help, you must survive and find out what has happened on LK-9.

[@Nyerguds]

Tiberiam?

[@leuckmanndrvo1244]

Aah yes. Tiberian sun. The best RTS ever made. Let's not forget Westwood studios. Tiberian Dawn and dune 2000. We're my first even games. I was always fascinated by he story. I wish there is a book for it. It's so rich and full of mysteries. The story died with tiberian twilight. The last toberian games were poor story wise. Sadly. I slowly died. I guess. Like everyhting else. Thank you for the ideo man. This brought me back more than 20 years ago.

[@Amig186]

So true. I first saw Tib Sun when i was 7, I was more into Starcraft at the time and thought it was just another (and inferior, cause it lacked the flashiness of SC) sci-fi strategy game set in space. So it came as a surprise when I revisited the game much later, paying attention to the story this time, and found out it was set on Earth all along. Overall I find the transition between the original C&C and Tib Sun to be really cool, how the GDI - NOD war that started in '95 keeps going even after the rest of the world has basically died, like it's the only constant. C&C3 made the mistake of focusing too much on the blue zones, at least in the GDI campaign, Kane's Wrath seemed closer to that desolate atmosphere

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Agreed. I don't mind the focus on the Blue Zones in C&C3 since reclamation was learned from the Tacitus at the end of Firestorm, but I really wish the Red Zones still mutated flora and fauna instead of just causing mass extinction. Also, yes, I love the changes Kane's Wrath made. Steel Talons rule!

[@claireredfield7368]

Best C&C to Date, I need a remaster of this!

[@crashmatrix]

I don't think I've ever met someone who feels about tibsun like I do. Well met, commander.

[@SteinerArts]

Very good video and explanations. 👍🏻 I've been a fan of TibSun since it's release. Yeah, it's been 25 years...

[@nazgir5343]

THANK YOU! I've been saying this for ages, and I love how well you put my feelings into words. Tiberian sun, while its gameplay might be a bit clunky, captured SUCH a brilliant atmosphere. I hated how cnc 3 just disregarded so much of the worldbuilding set out by TS, threw away the forgotten as "they're just mutant savages now" and had only half-baked explanations as to why (not to mention mostly ignoring cabal and the ending of firestorm). It's been a while now, but I do try to occasionally boot this game up and play some games, campaign or skirmish, whatever. It's such a core of my gaming experience growing up as well.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

My sentiments exactly. Pretty much why I felt compelled to make this video. Tiberian Sun set the template for much of what I still enjoy in video games today.

[@ironresolveminiatures]

Fantastic Video. Great work. I love the C&C Series. Now i have to play it again, thanks :D btw i think the reasoning for not showing the same tiberium infestation in C&C3 was that humanity or better said GDI found a way to push Tiberium back. And if that idiot Doyle didnt fire the t-bomb, they might have succeded.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

@@ironresolveminiatures I agree, this is true for the Blue Zones and Yellow Zones, as the sonic resonant frequency to break down Tiberium was found in the partially decoded Tacitus at the end of Firestorm (a bit of an EALA retcon, but still). The Red Zones, however, I would argue should look worse than Firestorm depicted the Genesis Pit, but it doesn't. And that's largely due to the limitations of the SAGE engine EALA was using to make C&C games by this point.

[@Def157]

I miss this game !

[@Dirk102]

Its absolute the same for me. It's the most bleak and frightening Post-Apocalyptic universe. Even as a commander of a a Base with a lot of units, you really feld the desolation & lurking threat.

[@schaddenkorp6977]

“The probability of a favorable outcome can be increased if we return to the main base and engage the enemy as we move.” “Define favorable outcome CABAL?” “They all die.” Cabal and Slavic’s lines were some of the most memorable for me.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

CABAL was incredible. Even in TibSun's original Nod campaign, you can catch glimpses of CABAL's hidden agenda.

[@schaddenkorp6977]

@ They also did the same for Red Alert 2 and Yuri’s revenge, but yeah Tiberian Sun still remains my fav in the franchise. I hated the shift in art style that C&C 3 had, felt like they were trying too much to be like Generals, which is why I liked Red Alert 3 more. What were your favorite inf and vehicle GDI and Nod units? Mine were the Disk Grenadier and the Titan (iirc that’s what the tank walkers were called right?) and for Nod the Cyborgs and Flame Tank.

[@republic9299]

This was my first game ever played. My dad bought the edition that came with the art book and the figurines. I always thought it was the coolest game when I would watch him and then when I was allowed, I loved playing it. The desolate atmosphere mixed with the music really brought everything together. I do wish the gameplay had a bit more polish, but we can blame EA for rushing its release. As a young kid, I was too afraid of the mission where you're guarding the "Scrin" ship, and it's an all out desperate fight against Nod amidst an ion storm. Everything seems lost until the storm breaks and drop ships come down and rescue your limited forces. The mystery around the Scrin was nicely hinted at. And I agree about the fight for humanity and the hope it instills in you. The art book has a section I think the audience here would find really cool. It's a section where EVA is assessing GDI personnel: "GDI troops are ambitious and hard working, cooperative and loyal. These twenty-first marines want both peace and honor. More than that, they want to win - to destroy all traces of the Brotherhood of Nod. Rank and file GDI troops are unconditionally devoted to each other, to their squadron leaders, and to their highest commander, General Solomon."

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

There was a Tiberian Sun artbook??? Okay, I need to find one now.

[@republic9299]

@hhc_snowmangaming3309 I just moved and am currently in the process of scanning the pages (the binding is withering away lol) so I can have it digitally. It's really cool. Breaks down the factions, gameplay, and behind the scenes info. There's even a part telling you about Tiberium and how it has been spreading over the years. There might be an online version somewhere too.

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

@@republic9299 Thanks! I'll definitely be searching for a digital version online. I used to read the game manual over and over as a kid.

[@republic9299]

@@hhc_snowmangaming3309 lol same, I would bring it with me to restaurants and stores when my mom would take me out.

[@TheGamingDefinition]

I wish the Tiberian Sun atmosphere/wildlife continued in C&C 3, but a lot of that was completely left behind. Nice to see someone new taking a shot at C&C content!

[@hhc_snowmangaming3309]

Unfortunately, the SAGE engine used in C&C3 limited a lot of EALA's ability to make TibSun-like gameplay elements.

[@roguerifter9724]

The Tiberium universe. The first fictional strategy game setting I recall where I prefer playing as the bad guys. Attack Bikes are the greatest ground unit in the Tiberium setting only matched by the GLA Bikes from Generals which start as Anti-infantry units but can be easily converted into Anti-vehicle units.