Ticket To Ride: Iberia & Korea - Beyond The Base Game

[@grungekids11]

The Iberian Peninsula contains both Spain and Portugal. The Portuguese people might feel slighted if Days of Wonder had gone with TtR: Spain.

[@Lostrom-1]

Yeah. Luke does great reviews but could use a geography book. He did mention “Lisboa” during the review, so should have noticed :-)

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

Never visited Portugal so I kind of forget it's there sometimes 🤣

[@theonemarlowe9117]

@@TheBrokenMeeple It. Is. On. The Map. It even has a different color!

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

@@theonemarlowe9117 he he, well when you're used to hearing one thing over another. 😅 I guess I'll just need to pay a visit. Or maybe I got burnt out on recent Lacerda games who knows? 🤣

[@panchitaobrian1660]

@@Lostrom-1 What do you want from an American. They do not go to school, after all. I mean, that thing that they call school is actually a kindergarten for big boys and girls

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

Yes I'm an idiot and forgot Portugal is a thing, my bad!!! 😅

[@Vadimaster]

I know you’re not big on history, but to see you drop the ball as well on geography was surprising.

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

@@Vadimaster when you're on a tangent on camera, you just carry on.

[@tarvivor]

South Korea looks really interesting. Can't wait to play that!

[@MrFrizads]

1:55 those words make me ache into a ball as a portuguese...

[@christopherleary7934]

Just received my copy yesterday and hoping to play it tonight. When I read the Iberia rules, that 2nd card draft seemed sketchy so glad to hear you confirm that. Shuffling nearly 150 cards also sounds awful. For Korea, I also think accelerating the end game via the majority board is interesting.

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@MrHepp]

Great review. I agree with almost all of your points. Just one comment about the hassle to remove the Festival cards from the deck after playing the Iberia map: It is no hassle at all, they separate themselves. You easily to through the deck in a game, and then all Festival cards are drawn, and are either taken or placed on the board.

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

Actually you don't always go through the whole deck.

[@vittoriagnecchi5783]

I wonder if Andorra is considered to be part of the peninsula too or not? They should have totally connected it to the train system btw.

[@chriss.8863]

1:55 Why call it Great Britain, why not just call it all England? Same is true for Portugal, Andorra and Gibraltar, why don't they just go by Spain as umbrella term?

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

@@chriss.8863 I'm just used to hearing it one way over another. Slip of the tongue!

[@panchitaobrian1660]

you cannot compare it like this. Portugal and Spain are two different independent countries. Scotland, Cornwall, Wales and Northern Ireland are occupied countries inside Great Britain

[@sladjj]

Portugal is older than Spain. Portugal never lost a war to Spain. Portugal was the first Global empire. Should just call it all "Portugal"no? Joking aside, There's an umbrella term you ignorant, Iberian Peninsula.

[@wendylane585]

I agree but Andorra and Gibraltar are not shown on the map.

[@elainetyger]

The three people that I played both these boards with are people I've played dozens if not hundreds of games of Ticket to Ride with before. We all preferred Iberia. The second draft comes after all the festival cards are gone and makes it like having a new game starting. Most of the festival cities have ways to get into them with one or two trains, and most of them also reward you getting one festival but not two, so there's no need to be greedy about the tickets, just try to be in as many cities as possible. You don't have to separate anything at the end of the game, because the festival cards are already separated from the train cards, since they are in each players hand for scoring. We thought that Korea suffered from the same problem of rails and sales, where you need one kind of card but you are looking at 20 cards before you get what you need for a three card route, each color is only related to one area of the map. If we play it again, we will use the same house rule as rails and sails where we have always said that five random cards is the same as one wild. that way the person going in the north who has all my colors isn't stopping me for the whole entire game from getting where I want and they don't even want those colors.

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

Not all the festival cards will be necessarily gone, you slot the card in two thirds or three quarters in. Still plenty more that can be below them Biggest problem is that a player can literally win the game by luck of the ticket draw in that second draft with no extra effort. If you are hunting a specific colour, do something else while you wait for it to appear rather than draw blindly.

[@elainetyger]

@@TheBrokenMeeple very true there are a few more festival cards I forgot. However, if every route you have is in a blue area and you don't pick any blue cards, what are you going to do in Korea? I think the thing is to go against the traditional logic of Ticket to Ride where you try to get routes that complement each other and overlap as much as possible, and insteadgo for shorter routes in different places, so that whatever color comes up you're OK. This is like the opposite of what people who play a lot of Ticket to Ride do, which is to lean very heavily on more and more tickets.

[@arrebator]

РЖД lol. Nice review!

[@sanderrobenek]

Gibraltar & Andorra also Iberian countries!

[@kevinbhieey9188]

(Psst... Gibraltar isn't a country.) Also, the southern part of France is technically also part of the Iberian Peninsula. Hence its inclusion on the game board. (Though the islands are obviously NOT part of the Peninsula, so going to Palma annoys me.) As for gameplay, what you call "luck", I call "tactical gameplay". The Festival Cards bring in a press-your-luck mechanism that is absent from most TtR games. "Yeah, I can claim the route I need into Porto right now, but there's only 1 Festival Card. I'll wait until more appear - CRAP THEY TOOK MY ROUTE!!!" There are already so many maps where hoarding benefits you; and so many where you need to claim routes immediately. It's nice to play one of these where both tactics come into play. I also enjoyed only 35 trains, which makes this one of the shorter TtR games, without having to resort to those city map games of garbage.

[@ninjabiscuit1095]

Do you think you could play Iberia without the second draft? So just one draft at the start, then tickets during the game as usual?

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

Yeah I don't see why not honestly.

[@mikolajwitkowski8093]

1.Avcesible games get a lot good rating but also bad ones. People who play heavy games usually are predisposed to like them. 2 Iberia because it's Spain and Portugal.

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

Yes I've had to admit my balls up with Portugal!

[@Leiderg]

Second draft happens at half or 2/3 of the deck, not the game. Deck gets shuffled a few times during a game, That seems like an error done by an out of rulebook review instead of actually have played it. And don't get me started on the Portugal thing I guess we should also start calling the UK , the "Scotland map"...

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

We played the game with 4 players, no the deck doesn't get shuffled multiple times during the game. Our first game didn't even finish the deck. People had enough cards to not need to draw out the deck past the second draft.

[@DreamReaver]

Good review! But we need to have this conversation: how can you not know the geography of some of your closest neighbors? Spain and Portugal are top destinations for Brits. Why is it so difficult to find cities on the map without a visual aid on the tickets? One of the merits of TTR is that it teaches you a bit of geography and it would be even better without the aid on the tickets. Oh, and if too many festival cards come out, that can be seen as "thematic" - more party, less work, trains don't run :) Ok, i'm being unfair, present day Spanish Railways are top notch, some of the best in Europe.

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

Just a brain fart at the time! :P And I've never even really looked at Portugal so it just blends into Spain for me! :P

[@draheim90]

Your scoring scale may need a little work. On it, 5 is considered average and 6 above average, but on a 1-10 scale the mid-point is 5.5 and both 5 and 6 are equally far apart from “average”. So shouldn’t 6 be above average and 5 be below average? In other words your scale is positively skewed (a 5 is technically below average but you label it as average), which I know is something you’ve criticized from other reviewers ;). Nonetheless, really appreciate you doing expansion reviews. It’s a little disheartening how difficult it can be to find them. And despite being a sub and also having a lot of TTR in my somewhat recent watched/search history, for some reason my YT feed never had your Iberia/Korea review in it, only found out about it from your recent podcast.

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

The KZbin algorithm makes no sense frankly. Favouring some people at random and curtailing people like me. I don't think we need to get too nitpicky about the 1-10 scale ;-) At least I use all 10 points on it unlike some! :P

[@panchitaobrian1660]

good description of the game strategy and rules. Btw, this kind of maps (that are not USA and not bordering to USA Canadian territories) is very benefitial for your intellectual development :)) You obviously have no clue about a little thing called geography. Here you can exercise in it