The harsh reality of Premier League relegation

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@jubs4383
@jubs4383 Жыл бұрын
You summed up Everton's positon perfectly. With our insane wage bill and new stadium there would be literally no money left in the championship. Lucky for us were in the best position to avoid the drop at the moment, I just hope and pray we dont bottle it against Bournemouth.
@peccogamble3578
@peccogamble3578 Жыл бұрын
I hope u loose
@TheOriginalEwan
@TheOriginalEwan Жыл бұрын
Here’s hoping. The idea of Everton going down to the championship after so many years in the premier league doesn’t sit right with me.
@aldev4832
@aldev4832 Жыл бұрын
I genuinely dont get why people think Everton are nailed on to beat Bournemouth...I see Bournmouth as a much better side and they are now playing without pressure I expect them to blitz Everton. If Bournemouth start well Evertons fans will create a toxic environment and their players will crumble
@Eso20213
@Eso20213 Жыл бұрын
​@@dickbuttkiss1991 agreed, Bournemouth are a good side and Leeds will beat the bottlers Edit: just to clarify I meant Tottenham, although there is two bottlers in the premier league this season so I can see why people would get confused
@lordhenrywotton95
@lordhenrywotton95 Жыл бұрын
At least the owners got something right. Sean Dyche is exactly the sort of no nonsense coach Everton need.
@bigbearrecordingstudio7921
@bigbearrecordingstudio7921 Жыл бұрын
It's insane how Leicester miraculously won the league what seemed like only yesterday
@RafPos13
@RafPos13 Жыл бұрын
in 3 years its gonna be a decade since they won it...
@aarnethn
@aarnethn Жыл бұрын
Blackburn Rovers felt that pain before 😢
@mcsqueeb187
@mcsqueeb187 Жыл бұрын
What's more miraculous is we managed to win the FA cup while we've been on this downward trajectory.
@bigbearrecordingstudio7921
@bigbearrecordingstudio7921 Жыл бұрын
@@mcsqueeb187 back stronger bro, also a plus side is we can now do fifa career mode or football manager saves for leicester championship road to glory 😄😄😄
@saif_roblox762
@saif_roblox762 Жыл бұрын
Now they’re in the Championship…. Possibly the greatest downfall in the Premier League’s history. Champions to Championship.
@dentonyoung4314
@dentonyoung4314 Жыл бұрын
Basically, if you get relegated and don't bounce back right away, once that third year hits you're just another team battling it out in the Championship. Look at Stoke City, for instance. Once they couldn't bounce back in the first two years, the last of the parachute payments was in year 3 and now they're not going to come back for a long while.
@adamwallis3235
@adamwallis3235 Жыл бұрын
And i think Norwich just finished 12th this year too and they were the poster child for "Yo-yo clubs"
@kevindodd4363
@kevindodd4363 Жыл бұрын
I don't hear a ton of people wishing Stoke were back in the Prem
@mrwabbit9576
@mrwabbit9576 Жыл бұрын
Swansea is another. Lost 2 playoffs against Brentford and then when the 4th year came they had to sell their key players like Ayew, Mark Guehi left and others leaving Swansea battling it out in the lower mid table.
@filmonewaldeabsebhat
@filmonewaldeabsebhat Жыл бұрын
Leeds fan. We know this all to well.
@rgi44
@rgi44 Жыл бұрын
​@@mrwabbit9576 how about Cardiff, they literally almost got relegated to League One
@DJVm4GOD1
@DJVm4GOD1 Жыл бұрын
Sunderland might even be another example. That club should've went down many years before they even did, and by time they did, it really damaged the club, to the point it took them years to get to where they are now, but if you look at it in context, they're in a far better position, then they were before. Relegation can hurt clubs for sure, but it's always looked at in a negative light, when there are positive lights there too.
@BhBc8f8
@BhBc8f8 Жыл бұрын
Lol true it brings you back to humble beginnings and reminds you what's actually important in Football. Damn that made me emotional, someone should make a relegation movie 🤣
@redx11x
@redx11x Жыл бұрын
I don't see it as a positive if you arwa run badly. Villa went down. To compound things we got taken over by a fraudster from China. We were lucky that Grealish took us up and kept us there for two seasons. We have good owners now but the spending was poor, poor management and running of the club. Lucky we have Emery now. Now we can relax and let the real professionals do the job
@MichaelGGarry
@MichaelGGarry Жыл бұрын
We (Sunderland) are in such a much better position now than we were - but we really skirted utter disaster on the way. The right ownership is vital - and that doesn't have to mean super-rich either.
@nkenchington6575
@nkenchington6575 Жыл бұрын
should've gone
@khalid8185
@khalid8185 Жыл бұрын
People loose their jobs what you on. Relegation is bad.
@osheafoster7519
@osheafoster7519 Жыл бұрын
Leeds going from UCL Semis in 01/02 to being relegated in 03/04 is nuts
@lobaxx
@lobaxx Жыл бұрын
As we say in Sweden, “Up like the sun, down like a pancake”
@chevyjacob5678
@chevyjacob5678 Жыл бұрын
@@lobaxx no one cares
@FootkerSnooball
@FootkerSnooball Жыл бұрын
@osheafoster7519 Because it didn't happen lol They got to CL SF in 2000/01 they just missed out on qualifying again for CL in that season (4th with only 3 qualifiers) and the following season the same (5th with only 4 qualifiers) then they had a relegation battle season n 2002/03 where they still had a chunk of their players at the start but were selling a lot during the season and they just survived that year but then were relegated the year after in 2004 and would've sold the last of their players that summer I.e AlanSmith to ManUtd, PaulRobinson to Spurs etc...
@b9l_onion758
@b9l_onion758 Жыл бұрын
​@@lobaxx good saying
@hughg.rection8567
@hughg.rection8567 Жыл бұрын
@@chevyjacob5678 dude get a life
@DJVm4GOD1
@DJVm4GOD1 Жыл бұрын
Burnley is another example where relegation can help a club, rather than put it under huge disadvantage. Sure, they got destroyed by Man City, but come on. It's Man City honestly. Burnley were stuck playing a certain way, as it helped them win matches. Now, they're got more about them, and could be ready for the step up. As I'd argue that bottom half of the PL is very beatable for some clubs in the top half of the Championship.
@sharish7845
@sharish7845 Жыл бұрын
And the championship clubs can also beat many top tier european teams too
@Mad_Intellect
@Mad_Intellect Жыл бұрын
@@sharish7845 Top tier, LMAO no...stop with the hyperbole. They can beat mid to lower level Europa league teams smh.
@antmanandthecod6073
@antmanandthecod6073 Жыл бұрын
What a load of rubbish 🤣
@vlz.matthew
@vlz.matthew Жыл бұрын
Burnley's relegation doesn't help them at all lol being a yo-yo club is a terrible spot to be in, its easier to just be a mid table championship side
@kokonor2844
@kokonor2844 Жыл бұрын
Burnley is the worst club, they rarely buy new players so their squad looks the same all the time. And the most important, their playstyle is so boring.
@mashu69
@mashu69 Жыл бұрын
Relegation also hurts for the large number of ordinary employees when they're made redundant by the club due to the deplorable effort and incompetence of the first team football squad
@followhim.8543
@followhim.8543 Жыл бұрын
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@Matthew-bu7fg
@Matthew-bu7fg Жыл бұрын
As Forest fans, part of the lure of promotion was "well if we go down first season back then we at least get the parachute payments for the following season" sad but true.
@tomw6947
@tomw6947 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but losing all your best talent and players is far more damaging.
@jakowako7157
@jakowako7157 5 ай бұрын
But,did they die?
@DJVm4GOD1
@DJVm4GOD1 Жыл бұрын
While I get this, at the same time, relegation can help save a club that's just pushing along and doing the wrong business. If my club Newcastle didn't go down when we did, we would've still had certain poor players in the squad that needed shifted out. A year in the Championship also helped solidify us better under Rafa, and got his play style and such ready to go. Yes, finance wise, would've see a major drop off. But that relegation in effect, bettered us in the long term.
@AurioDK
@AurioDK Жыл бұрын
It will of course always be an economical downfall but not necessarily a disaster, depends on how well the club is run and whether it knows how sustainability works. Brentford wouldn´t f.ex. have taken a big hit if they went down due to their wage structure, sure, they would sports wise once again be stuck in the mud but financially they would be fine. So, you are absolutely right, it very much depends on the club in question.
@ricecrispyman1582
@ricecrispyman1582 Жыл бұрын
Relegation was literally the best thing that could've happened to Burnley.
@ironicvirus1496
@ironicvirus1496 Жыл бұрын
Same with Aston Villa, they needed a wake up call, and sure it took longer than the others but they got new owners and are progressing well
@thatracingguy5694
@thatracingguy5694 Жыл бұрын
Fulham under silva as well
@nichonr95
@nichonr95 Жыл бұрын
Also being bought by a nation who has laughable human rights helped
@lwandomadikizela2213
@lwandomadikizela2213 Жыл бұрын
Relegation is what keeps most leagues engaging and the the financial repercussions it brings to a club should they suffer relegation. Clubs after relegation will either get straight back up within a season or two like Burnley and Sheffield United in that case or take years in the 2nd tier to get the their act right in the case of Leeds United and Aston Villa or never to be promoted ever again due to continued poor decisions in finances, player recruitment, club infrastructure and fan engagement like in the case of Sheffield Wednesday, Derby County and Portsmouth. It's really fun and cruel to see when top league survival is necessary to balance the books.
@nuraby_9228
@nuraby_9228 Жыл бұрын
RIP Oldham
@wrestler-kickboxer2524
@wrestler-kickboxer2524 Жыл бұрын
Bolton, Portsmouth, Bradford, Swindon and of course, the late Oldham 💀
@AlfieFenton
@AlfieFenton Жыл бұрын
villa was only there for 3 years, the same as sheffield utd
@mainangatia2039
@mainangatia2039 Жыл бұрын
There isn't a single human being who watches relegation fixtures. You're lying for no reason. We watch for the winning teams. Not the ones struggling to win and TV ratings prove this. Broadcasters don't sell relegation fixtures because they don't sell and what is sold is what is engaging. There is no reason for relegation. It doesn't make sense as a concept at all. Imagine if your business or employer was told they're going to have an arbitrary earnings cap that would be 50% less the previous year's earnings. You'd think it's stupid, wouldn't you? It's the same as relegation.
@Mnu103
@Mnu103 9 ай бұрын
​@@mainangatia2039lmao I love the way you're saying there's no human being who won't watch that, there are some midtable clubs which actually play football and this is coming from a guy who supports a top 6 club, lemme guess you support Manchester city or something? Fake glory hunter
@leobestbote4244
@leobestbote4244 Жыл бұрын
Wow these Tifo pieces are just what I need every single morning before I start work, thank you guys for these whenever you produce them, thank you so much I didn't know that a club getting relegated slashes their TV revenue by that much damn it makes sense why clubs celebrate relegation survival like it's winning a title, yess staying in the top flight is great and prestigious and all but the financial impact to dropping is really really devastating, l salute those club who bounce back immediately
@jubs4383
@jubs4383 Жыл бұрын
Its a unfortunate side effect of the Prem being as rich as it is. As soon as your out of it you lose signifigant money and relevance.
@Hamza-zu7pl
@Hamza-zu7pl Жыл бұрын
​@@jubs4383 Yep true
@BhBc8f8
@BhBc8f8 Жыл бұрын
@@jubs4383 people want to watch quality players play agaisnt quality players. The first division has the most quality players in the country, it's only natural.
@rayantonioking
@rayantonioking Жыл бұрын
​@Bhlack Bishop I agree 💯
@centurion8446
@centurion8446 Жыл бұрын
Also the reason why the Championship playoff is the most lucrative match in all football, arguably more lucrative then one with a real trophy at the end given the club changing wealth that potentially occurs (depending on how it's utilised)
@CentaurMoe
@CentaurMoe Жыл бұрын
Another factor is the economy surrounding the clubs, When I was younger I used to work for a company that had a catering contract with Craven Cottage, when Fulham was relegated in 2013, a lot of ordinary working people lost paid work as a result at the club had to cut back on running costs.
@nikotesla23
@nikotesla23 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Could you do a version on how much not being in the Champions League (or other European competitions) affects or benefits any given team?
@firmana.8618
@firmana.8618 Жыл бұрын
Straight to forward. It's Chelsea
@santiagolerda435
@santiagolerda435 Жыл бұрын
@@firmana.8618 or barcelona in the last 2 seasons
@corvusglaive5769
@corvusglaive5769 Жыл бұрын
I doubt this has that much of an impact. Arsenal have been out for years and yet it did little to damage their finances.
@MasterGordon5115
@MasterGordon5115 8 ай бұрын
@@santiagolerda435 Isn't Barca still playing in the UCL? apart from like this season
@derrick1916-i7d
@derrick1916-i7d Жыл бұрын
Nicely done. I'm worrying about Wigan and Blackpool, who have both suffered in the previous years, and are now dropping to League 1. Wigan even had a problem this season with wages. I hope the best for their situations.
@Westhamsterdam
@Westhamsterdam Жыл бұрын
Wigan, Bolton, whoever, most clubs are massively in debt!
@highnoon7097
@highnoon7097 Жыл бұрын
Wigan have been slapped with another points deduction too so will probably lose more players
@BOABModels
@BOABModels Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you were able to talk about how damaging relegation is without mentioning Portsmouth but I assume that the extent of their administration means Pompey were quite an unusual example of a relegated club. Whilst we haven't even recovered to where we were in the '90s at the moment, I still believe the club is now in a healthy position.
@highnoon7097
@highnoon7097 Жыл бұрын
Portsmouth were screwed regardless of relegation. There's a very good book "waste of money" about shady financial dealings and mismanagement in football. Portsmouth feature. The situation was bleak even when they were in the prem
@billem16
@billem16 Жыл бұрын
This was awesome. I love watching the PL from USA and i love the relegation/promotion system but I am always interested to learn more about it. Make more like these pls
@johnnywilson3071
@johnnywilson3071 Жыл бұрын
Clubs with Traditionally strong academies are able to handle relegation better than other teams. Southampton was the prime example, got relegated from the Premier league, went into admin yet still managed to get back in 7 years thanks to their stacked academy (and getting a good owner to bail them out). Middlesbrough have been out for a while but seem poised to go up soon and they have a pretty strong academy as well.
@OrhtejTheGreat
@OrhtejTheGreat Жыл бұрын
You mentioned the likes of Fulham and Norwich losing a lot of revenue in the 2019/20 and 2020/21 seasons respectively but there was something that we all know about that happened (but wasn’t mentioned) which made a massive contribution to that.
@milokat179
@milokat179 Жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on Vice Versa, i.e how much will a club improve once they are promoted to PL and also how relegation affects other major leagues
@kikiandjasmine
@kikiandjasmine Жыл бұрын
It's substantially worse in Spain if you get relegated. Some big names in Spanish football have been consigned to the wilderness of the Segunda Division for years. Espanyol may have some serious problems getting back to the Primera Liga when they are relegated.
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 Жыл бұрын
I’m guessing there isn’t any parachute payments in Spain?
@lel_werewolf2692
@lel_werewolf2692 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact is Leicester will lose all their best players since they actually have decent players but they don’t have a structure at the club. The Maddison miss will hurt them so much. He will move to Newcastle and become an absolute beast in their midfield alongside Guimaraes and Joelinton. Also he will for the first time be able to play UCL
@surpriserakins9067
@surpriserakins9067 Жыл бұрын
That appears to all the relegated teams.
@CPFCJeffMangum
@CPFCJeffMangum Жыл бұрын
As an American who fell in love with the Prem BECAUSE of Leicester's title win, their relegation really hit hard. Up the Palace.
@lbridet
@lbridet Жыл бұрын
I hope Everton does not view Dyche as a 'relegation specialist'. A relegation specialist is an interim guy who comes in February and tries to save your club from the axe. Dyche has a project and a vision, he can do it for the right club, squeeze a good product out of low resources. But you need to give him time, a say in recruitment, multiple preseasons...
@seandelap8587
@seandelap8587 Жыл бұрын
If Everton avoid relegation again then they would basically be immune to relegation at this point
@jimmyg5102
@jimmyg5102 Жыл бұрын
​@Matty Kelly horse punchers of the year for the 10th year In a row for Newcastle
@TheGiantKillers
@TheGiantKillers Жыл бұрын
In fairness to Everton, they've only been in danger of relegation going into the last three games of the season six times since their promotion in 1954. That's 63 out of 69 campaigns, which only Arsenal can match. Yep, they're a terrible team at present but their overall consistency as a top flight side is actually incredible when you look at it, only four seasons missed ever, and they've produced title winning teams in seven different decades, which [ I think but I'm sure somebody will check] can only be matched by Liverpool and Manchester United
@guillermogallegos8477
@guillermogallegos8477 8 ай бұрын
We’ll see this year
@dkfjblilahd5595
@dkfjblilahd5595 6 ай бұрын
Well said
@everydayrealist
@everydayrealist 7 ай бұрын
Super late to this video but the quality is incredible. The animations, information, formatting is immaculate. Fantastic work Tifo team!
@control2XS
@control2XS Жыл бұрын
4:08 in fairness, Leeds were relegated before parachute payments were a thing. We were already in financial free-fall, and then dropped out of the League losing a huge amount of our revenue with nothing in place to slow the financial crisis, sending us into administration.
@tomw6947
@tomw6947 Жыл бұрын
Alot of the financial rules and parachute payments came about because of what happened to Leeds, it showed how owners like Ridsdale put a club into such chaos and walked away free of any punishment or debt (as everything was under the clubs name)
@alexnowis2468
@alexnowis2468 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, thank you! Please can you do a Newcastle United specific video? Focusing on CL Qualification & what that means for their spending power given their current financial circumstances? % of wages to turnover etc 🙏🏻
@emt0072
@emt0072 Жыл бұрын
As a new fan of the sport, I found this very informative. I had no idea the financial impact was great.
@lilbaz8732
@lilbaz8732 Жыл бұрын
Look at it another way. Luton winning the championship playoff yesterday guaranteed them between £135m and £265m (tv money and parachute payments if they get relegated). Not bad for a one off game.
@n00bma5ter69
@n00bma5ter69 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget that most clubs have relegation wage reductions for most players
@Louisejames23
@Louisejames23 Жыл бұрын
I do think that if a club is doing terribly (hello Derby, Watford, Southampton etc) the fans would rather see them go down and perform better than a perpetual struggle in a higher league. This season I’m just grateful Chelsea aren’t in the end of season scrap, because given our terrible season we should be 🙈😬
@MichaelGGarry
@MichaelGGarry Жыл бұрын
Sunderland fans used to say that. Then we got relegated twice in two seasons. Took a while for that "see us perform better against weaker teams" bit to actually happen....
@mariadanielalavia8877
@mariadanielalavia8877 Жыл бұрын
@@MichaelGGarry also that common jobs and people who work at the club get fired immediately, maintainence staff, people working in publicity and human resources. u10 football coaches, etc, etc. their future even if they have an average wage is managed by how well the 11 players on the pitch perform.
@davidneraas750
@davidneraas750 Жыл бұрын
The worst thing about relegation is that the championship is a very diffecult league to bounce back from and win.
@MrDboydeluxe
@MrDboydeluxe Жыл бұрын
As a Leicester fan it’s been a disaster of a year! I keep going back to I guess three years ago when they signed Soumare, Daka and another scrub I can’t remember the name, espn and every other outlet had them in the top 5 of any team in any league for that transfer window, bust, bust and bust, impossible to recover from that, eventually took its toll.
@depekthegreat359
@depekthegreat359 Жыл бұрын
This is a harsh reality unfortunately for the teams that would be relegated from the English First Division football to the English Second Division football,good friends!!!🙏
@rhodephorus7733
@rhodephorus7733 Жыл бұрын
imagine being so experienced at managing bottom 5 clubs that you are being looked at as a 'relegation specialist'.
@anthonycokoye
@anthonycokoye Жыл бұрын
Unless you are Norwich City, who have financial prudency on lock down, relegation can feel like the end of the world for most teams. I'd argue a 50% wage-to-revenue ratio is a better benchmark to strife for, though.
@garymason7
@garymason7 Жыл бұрын
Parachute payments needs to stop. It blatantly is an unfair advantage. If a team is hurt so badly by being relegated then they should handle their finances better.
@sandeepakariyawasam5216
@sandeepakariyawasam5216 Жыл бұрын
They should be given a chance to make up for their mistakes
@YayaTourney
@YayaTourney Жыл бұрын
Without parachute payments no team in the bottom half could take the risk of substantial investment in the squad, and the gulf between the haves and have nots become unwatchably wide
@garymason7
@garymason7 Жыл бұрын
@@YayaTourney But isn't that still happening? It's just pushing the problem further down the league. The gulf is now in the Championship and down...
@YayaTourney
@YayaTourney Жыл бұрын
@@garymason7 50 clubs have played in the Premier League since its inception. That means ~40 clubs have benefited from this payment. It's difficult to argue that the Prem redistributing less money down the chain is better for the pyramid.
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 Жыл бұрын
@@YayaTourneynot entirely true. Parachute payments only came in after Leeds got themselves into real trouble financially so several teams that haven’t been in the premier league since 2004, didn’t get that help (eg Wimbledon, Ipswich, Coventry, Oldham, Bradford etc). Parachute payments should be allowed but only for teams that have been able to stay up for at least one season. The yo-yo teams should have it
@rockstar78970
@rockstar78970 10 ай бұрын
It's insane that Leeds United played Champions League in 2000/01 reaching quarter-finals and then sold almost all players in next 2 seasons and got relegated in 2004, that's why they say "doing a Leeds"
@SteveWalton-z7w
@SteveWalton-z7w Жыл бұрын
One major inaccuracy in this regarding relegation is that away fans will see an increase in their ticket prices not a decrease as would be expected due to the cap at 30.00, surely if the FA actually cared about the fans as they claim then an element of the parachute payment should used to keep this in place
@centurion8446
@centurion8446 Жыл бұрын
This is why I can understand why some clubs like Norwich would do the yo-yo club thing, like Bournemouth more or less this season, just don't spend too much as you get up, pocket a lot of the 100 million, and even keeping 50 million of that instead of going for players means they can be a financially healthy Championship club who can use that money to flesh out good facilities and training grounds etc and keep out of debt. I would say Bradford was the worst example of throwing too much money and debt at trying to stay in the EPL Bournemouth seem to have done very well through staying up without too much outlay while Nottingham Forest would have been in trouble had they not survived given how much they spent
@d3po607
@d3po607 Жыл бұрын
Still need a video on relegation release clauses and where to look them up
@mrstefon_8954
@mrstefon_8954 Жыл бұрын
Do you know how long I’ve yearned for TIFO to go back too these animated videos…..it’s the whole reason why I subscribed.
@OchitheWarloch
@OchitheWarloch Жыл бұрын
As a Fulham fan who was living abroad when we got relegated back in 13/14 I was gutted I wasn't able to watch matches. Why doesn't the championship televise all matches? Surely they'd be able to bring in more money even if it meant some decrease in match day revenue?
@MrShaneHardy
@MrShaneHardy Жыл бұрын
They didn't have anything at the time but I'm fairly certain the EFL do now have a streaming service where you can buy a season ticket to watch your own club
@trip2themoon
@trip2themoon Жыл бұрын
Parachute payments pretty much ensure the same teams keep coming up and down. Millwall as an example came their closest to a play off spot in years but ultimately fell short against the teams still receiving huge amounts of money from the Premiership's TV deals.
@TheYoutubeUser69
@TheYoutubeUser69 6 ай бұрын
That's why football is king. American sports have no stakes
@DavidN16792
@DavidN16792 5 ай бұрын
because watching the same 2 teams dominate a league is entertaining? 😂
@benmaynard6077
@benmaynard6077 Жыл бұрын
Can you please do a video explaining the benefits of promotion and all the logistics that go with it?
@benyoung4305
@benyoung4305 Жыл бұрын
Ive never heard anyone except from this video use the term "doing a Leeds". Now, us in the know have often used the term "pulling a Ridsdale". Which is a reference to the guy who caused the problems at Leeds (amongst other clubs he also chairmanned).
@lilbaz8732
@lilbaz8732 Жыл бұрын
Heard the term used quite often.
@harper-leightonscott4566
@harper-leightonscott4566 Жыл бұрын
I love how relegations strongest supporters are from fans that will probably never experience the drop.
@bigfudge2031
@bigfudge2031 Жыл бұрын
People used to say that about Everton, yet here they are 2 seasons in a row fighting relegation on the last day of the season.
@IVIRnathanreilly
@IVIRnathanreilly Жыл бұрын
People also tend to play football. It isn't just about the team you support. Also, what alternative do you propose?
@omaralkayal7598
@omaralkayal7598 Жыл бұрын
perhaps because they hate those certain clubs
@laoch5658
@laoch5658 Жыл бұрын
football is a meritocracy. you earn it unlike American sports were theres a new champion every year and no risk for poor performing teams.. in America the worst team gets rewarded with draft picks
@Ovenman940
@Ovenman940 Жыл бұрын
Every club in the top flight has been relegated
@eavyeavy2864
@eavyeavy2864 Жыл бұрын
If teams are coming down from the Premier League, they might get £43m from the first year parachute alone,” Chris Winn of the University Campus of Football Business says. “That’s usually more than all non-parachute recipients will generate across all their revenue streams in a season.
@MrMArsenal
@MrMArsenal 7 ай бұрын
I never understand why they don't show the championship on TV at 3pm! It'll create revenue for the clubs so they'll be more financially sound! If they're not going to show the premier league teams at 3pm, why not have the championship on the TV?
@mrlogic7196
@mrlogic7196 Жыл бұрын
COME ON YOU HATTERS !!!
@simokojamesphiri7924
@simokojamesphiri7924 Жыл бұрын
At this point, isn't Sam Allardyce just a reputation merchant? His last 2 relegation jobs haven't been successful and Leeds look like they are about to make it 3 straight duds. It's a shame that Leeds made such a U-turn in their approach especially because Ralph Hussenhutl was there to be picked up, someone who has actual experience with relegation dogfights but also someone who can work with a basic squad to elevate their floor. I hope Leeds consider hiring Hussenhutl should they go down, or stay up. I think that much like Bielsa, he'd be a big hit with the added benefit of not being as difficult to work with and a good sense of how to use the loan market to build a squad.
@dundabird3203
@dundabird3203 Жыл бұрын
Just look at Sheffield Wednesday, the last club to be relegated without parachute payments. They frequently competed for silverware in the 90's, and are historically one of Englands most successful clubs. Now its been over 20 years wince they were in the premier league at all.
@henners1k92
@henners1k92 Жыл бұрын
I think the answer is to abolish parachute payments, so as to prevent this kind of unfairness (which affects all clubs not in receipt of those payments)?
@bongoseakhoa5092
@bongoseakhoa5092 Жыл бұрын
Just a note from a data scientist, I noticed you used the average a lot in the video the average is okay if you have normal distributed data if the data is skew then the median may be better at getting your point across. The numbers may not be as dramatic but it will convey information more accurately.
@procrastinatingpuma
@procrastinatingpuma Жыл бұрын
There is a reason why Pro/Rel Leagues are top heavy, it's simply too risky to invest in a club that could start hemorrhaging money after one bad year.
@KrompirProdukcije
@KrompirProdukcije Жыл бұрын
Great video, you should make a video about Partizan Belgrade, before was amazing, always first or second even once in the final of the UCL. They just finished 4th. The board is awful just like the current players.
@swaggingcone
@swaggingcone Жыл бұрын
im a United fan, but ive always loves Leicester, and i almost cried watching them get relegated
@samjga
@samjga Жыл бұрын
Oh no! We're still going to receive the best part of £50 million in a league where everyone else gets about £8million in TV revenue (TV plus Solidarity). The struggle is so hard. Although I certainly feel for the employees who get made redundant, if you're at exec level of a PL club and you don't have a contingency plan for relegation when EVERY YEAR 3 teams MUST go down your head is well and truly buried in the sand. There's a reason why certain clubs are constantly yoyo-ing and the phrase starts with a "P" and ends in "arachute payments". If you can't get promoted after 3 years of parachute payments you deserve to sink down the pyramid
@digzsolutions
@digzsolutions Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Bolton, Blackburn, and Portsmouth
@newspaperface
@newspaperface Жыл бұрын
I never heard about them parachute payments before and before you hinted at the unfairness of it i thought the same
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 Жыл бұрын
It’s mainly unfair with regards to teams that have yo-yoed between the leagues . Those guys barely spend in the premier league, go down and therefore can then spend more than the Championship teams due to ffp not causing them issues.
@wrenches3
@wrenches3 Жыл бұрын
Do a video on the financial impact on getting promoted/ relegated. Or of making the champions/Europa league
@CardinalThumb
@CardinalThumb 9 ай бұрын
Great video! Also, nice work with the Partridge easter egg on the Norwich City badge.
@benjaminlampp1993
@benjaminlampp1993 Жыл бұрын
Maybe a good standardized financial rule should be that every team has to include relegation clauses in their wage contracts that state player wages will go down by x% if the team is relegated. If it is standardized, no clubs can lure players away by saying they won't have a relegation clause. This would make sure clubs won't have massive wages to pay after they have significant losses in revenue. At the end of the day, a club gets relegated due to low player and/or manager performance, so their wages should go down as a result.
@Stephen_Platt
@Stephen_Platt Жыл бұрын
Easier said than done. Whilst I agree with the idea in theory, there’d have to be a minimum required clause or teams would just offer a 0.1% pay cut. But then if you did set a minimum %age it would likely further inflate wages as players want their salary to still be good in the event of relegation.
@alexbaxter3730
@alexbaxter3730 11 ай бұрын
Great video, but how you didn't mention or include Wigan as an overwhelming case study that suffered every single factor in one since being relegated in 2013 is surprising considering the massive suffering they consider to face as a result of administration twice etc
@c4me540
@c4me540 Жыл бұрын
Funny enough, leeds are relegated again smh
@alaskanmalamute101
@alaskanmalamute101 Жыл бұрын
They really need to massively increase the championship teams TV revenue rather than parachute payments. Parachute payments give a handful of championship teams an unfair advantage which the rest can't compete with because of FFP.. Clubs received £233m in parachute payments in the 2020-21 season, an average of £33m per club. The average revenue of clubs without parachute payments was £20m Clubs receiving parachute payments generated an average points gap of +16 in 2020-21 The average points gap over the five seasons, for clubs in receipt of parachute payments, was +8.6 Clubs that have parachute payments are far less likely to get relegated from the Championship than those that do not have them The Premier League is clearly not contributing enough to the league system..it's by far the richest League in the world the least they could be doing is putting substantial amount of money down the pyramid and still been better off than any other top tier League. It should be considered a pension plan in football terms. Instead of giving 250m in parachute payments I think the premier League should just be bumping up TV revenue for the championship but by 500m so each team receives on avg 20m more on top of the 5-6m. I think this would make competition better in the long term and start to reduce the massive gap between premier League and championship. Maybe even put it in the TV revenue rights that broadcasters have to pay 20% of premier League revenue to the championship.
@trbd
@trbd Жыл бұрын
Well now the prospect of promotion to premier leaguse soubds scary too. I heard luton town have to invest in better stadium to get it up to premier league standard, now imagine how hard it'll hit them if they don't stay
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 Жыл бұрын
They don’t have to change much plus they’re already have plans in motion to move to a new stadium (original planning permission was obtained in 2019 with a view to moving into it by 2026 regardless of whether they would be in the premier league or not) . Also they didn’t spend millions to get promoted. If you look at their net spend, they’ll be fine even if they go straight back down.
@FootballsGreatest
@FootballsGreatest Жыл бұрын
super nice video,maybe you guys can do one with the reverse, what happens with a club when is promoted how is that impacting their finances, cheers!
@AotearoaChef
@AotearoaChef Жыл бұрын
Portsmouth is another, we used to a prem club in 2006/7 and got all the way to 2nd league. Be great to see them in championship or prem again. I think at best we would be a championship club at best these days
@mhansen9255
@mhansen9255 Жыл бұрын
LOVE these relaxing and educational videos from Tifo Football… BIG LOVE FROM DENMARK ❤️🇩🇰
@jevoniworthy
@jevoniworthy Жыл бұрын
Wonder how Luton will turn out
@aidanlynn
@aidanlynn Жыл бұрын
All empires fall, PL clubs receiving hundreds of millions every season, spending it on dud players and being relegated is the kinda wake up call they need to get their act together.
@mandyd473
@mandyd473 Жыл бұрын
Feel like Southampton are far better suited than any other team to bounce straight back. Small squad with no journeyman on high wages (Walcotts contract is expiring). Players that will be marketable to top teams (JWP, Lavia) are all on long contracts and will command hefty fees. Other players such as Tella, Che Adams, Armstrong etc are proven at that level. Find it hard to see how a club like Everton that are crippled by their previous financial mismanagement are going to cope or if there will be many takers for some of Leicesters OAPs that are on massive wages.
@scpjack7856
@scpjack7856 Жыл бұрын
The Everton of now could be the Leeds of 20 years ago if they go down on Sunday. A massive, historic club getting relegated while spending for Europe, and the ensuing financial crisis leading to a 20 year absence from the top flight.
@they1373
@they1373 Жыл бұрын
What club is not 'historic' ? or 'massive' in the eyes of people who know them.
@bigfudge2031
@bigfudge2031 Жыл бұрын
They had a warning last year and didn't change, they honestly deserve to go down.
@pixelpotato4874
@pixelpotato4874 Жыл бұрын
Leicester achieved the unthinkable in 2015/2016 by winning the EPL Trophy,and I believe Tottenham can achieve the unthinkable in 2023/2024 also...by dropping down to the Championship
@wmyates17
@wmyates17 Жыл бұрын
Parachute payments are creating a huge imbalance in the championship. When non-relegated clubs are in financial trouble, they’re told to sell players to make money by the EFL, and it should be the same for the relegated clubs.
@zachstolpa6521
@zachstolpa6521 Жыл бұрын
Are you just wanting the championship and lower leagues to get more of the revenue the premier league gets? Unless you’re just outright furious about how much money the premier league brings in lol
@MrReese
@MrReese Жыл бұрын
Will the TV revenue for Championship clubs change significantly with the new TV deal they struck recently together with League 1 and League 2? That maybe should have been covered in this video.
@lilbaz8732
@lilbaz8732 Жыл бұрын
The efl are currently in negotiations with the prem about the distribution of tv revenue and spending controls. The efl want the parachute payments scrapped and some extra money. Tifo will probably wait to see what the outcome is before doing a vid.
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 Жыл бұрын
It’s still going to be smaller than what premier league clubs will earn tv revenue wise. As the video said, championship tv revenue is £100 million lower than what the premier league is. It won’t be a massive increase where it’s significantly closer and if it was, it would essentially create a premier league 2 and the vast difference in tv revenue would then be between the championship and league one.
@princem5155
@princem5155 Жыл бұрын
It’s hard to come back from it
@harper-leightonscott4566
@harper-leightonscott4566 Жыл бұрын
​@The LIM Report the teams who can't maintain a place in the prem for a few years at a time?
@indiekiddrugpatrol3117
@indiekiddrugpatrol3117 Жыл бұрын
No it's not these days with parachute payments it's pretty easy to bounce back as long as u look after the books unfortunately
@Jack-sq6xb
@Jack-sq6xb Жыл бұрын
This is why a league like MLS won't implement relegation, it risks massive losses in a league where teams cost hundreds of millions of dollars up front and if a team gets relegated it will massively damage a sport that's growing in the us
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 Жыл бұрын
Plus most US fans of sport don’t get the idea of relegation given how the nfl, nba etc work. Had they started the mls as a pyramid idea eg making 2 divisions instead of 1, they might have been able to do it and then the North American league teams would be able to join in tier 3/4 or whatever.
@tmac3444
@tmac3444 Жыл бұрын
I think Leeds will be better prepared for relegation this time especially since back in 2004 there were no parachute payments.
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 Жыл бұрын
You say that, some of their apparent relegation release clauses for some of their players are very bad. Eg Rodrigo apparently has a release clause of just £5 million. They bought him for £27 mill! Not to mention some of weirdness Radrizzani has been doing with apparently including elland road as collateral when he was making a bid to buy Sampdoria. Thankfully looks like he’s out after selling to the 49ers but they’re only going to come back up if they get the right manager in. Team has been very rudderless and panicky since sacking Bielsa. Out of the 3 relegated clubs, it’s actually Southampton that right now are best placed to go straight back up. There’s also a very likely scenario of none of the teams going straight back up.
@tmac3444
@tmac3444 Жыл бұрын
The handling or Rodrigo does look bad but this season has been his best ever season for Leeds compared to the two previous seasons if we were to give him a contract extension after the first two I think quite a few would of said he wasn’t deserving. With one year left on his contract now what we will be looking at? I’m just happy that we’re not looking as bad as last time we had the second lowest wage bill in the prem last season and now there’s apparently clauses in contracts protecting the clubs finances. Idk who’s going up best thing about the championship is it’s a free fir all it’s anyone’s game and I’ve more of a chance of getting away tickets. Every silver lining
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 Жыл бұрын
@@tmac3444 yeah plus you got decent money for both Raphinha and Phillips. Think financially you're sound. It's really fixing that defence as tbh it's gotten worse year on year and who the starting keeper should be. Needs to be the right manager as well
@craigchalmers6228
@craigchalmers6228 Жыл бұрын
Wow I never realised just how much being relegated from the premier league impacts a club financially and mentally it's a shame that most of these high performing epl sides aka man city man utd Chelsea etc etc are pretty much owned by overseas investors its become now more about ownership than love for a club and its sad to think that the person that suffers the most is us the fan we need the football clubs back with us and not with overseas companies who buy the club as an investment not because they support it ....sad that leeds and Leicester got relegated I'm a liverpool fan but would never laugh or make fun of any other clubs because it's not nice and best of luck to both clubs for Instant promotion back to the premier league next season
@Kevin-yz2xb
@Kevin-yz2xb Жыл бұрын
As a child i really hate MLS league format where no relegation and favouring traditional promotion-relegation system. But as i grow up, i started to realize that no relegation system is becoming much more make sense in financial and stability of the club
@bertko1710
@bertko1710 Жыл бұрын
Maybe next video can be "the reality of promotion"
@MasterControl-MCP
@MasterControl-MCP Жыл бұрын
Pompey fan here. Yep. 🤦‍♂️
@Liam021
@Liam021 Жыл бұрын
PUP, they’ll be battering scum soon enough!!
@Colin_Fasoli
@Colin_Fasoli Жыл бұрын
your owner caused your problems, not relegation
@MasterControl-MCP
@MasterControl-MCP Жыл бұрын
@@Colin_Fasoli true in part, but we could have paid the debt caused by the owner of we’d stayed in the Prem, he’s left by the time we were relegated.
@xAA7
@xAA7 Жыл бұрын
Seeing this makes me happy Everton stayed up. Would not want Liverpool's rival to spiral into the depths of financial instability.
@Noobie2k7
@Noobie2k7 Жыл бұрын
I mean Leicester City are only the second ever Premier League Champions to have gotten relegated from the division. The only other team to have won the Premier league title and then been relegated are Blackburn Rovers when they got relegated in the 98-99 season.
@robertmason6366
@robertmason6366 Жыл бұрын
My team coventry over the last 25 years have had 2 eras of contrasting strategies.
@subboid
@subboid Жыл бұрын
Nottingham took a lot flak for their ballsy strategy but it seems to have paid off. Imo Everton deserve to go down but looks like they’ll scrap by
@mljh11
@mljh11 Жыл бұрын
"... so too has the prospect of relegation become more imperious"? Don't you mean perilous?
@bengoacher4455
@bengoacher4455 Жыл бұрын
Financial hurt post relegation can be softened by owners prepared to put money into the club to regain the position in the Prem. In the billionaires club, no one want's to the that guy who owns a championship team when all the other billionaires own prem teams.
@IVIRnathanreilly
@IVIRnathanreilly Жыл бұрын
Or maybe running the club sustainably. Parachute payments are already enough of a leg up over other championship clubs.
@humor1095
@humor1095 Жыл бұрын
Parachute payments are a life saver for the relegated teams from the EPL. 75% usually bounce back up. Hopefully, the Foxes pull of a great escape and Coventry City to make return to big time 👕👕👕
@TheMrFishnDucks
@TheMrFishnDucks Жыл бұрын
Very informative video. Keep up the good work.
@josephdawson8073
@josephdawson8073 Жыл бұрын
So basically AFC Richmond keeping all its players (and even expanding its staff) in Ted Lasso was wildly unrealistic. Such a shame that a fictional TV show is fictional.
@user-np3tq4nf1t
@user-np3tq4nf1t Жыл бұрын
If Chelsea got relegated this season (17th in form since January) surely they'd be facing administration.
@Leeds1919LUFC
@Leeds1919LUFC Жыл бұрын
As a Leeds fan, it annoys me how much Everton gets away with it. Can't see them making the same mistake 3 times in a row next season.
@andrewfinnin9943
@andrewfinnin9943 Жыл бұрын
Great vid! I find the truth is that prem teams can’t be bothered too much about relegation… you get around 100 mil for promotion which is probs more than winning a top flight title is any league other than the prem. Just my opinion🤷‍♂️
@50pence59
@50pence59 Жыл бұрын
That’s why fans need to understand that a well run club without trophies isn’t something to be scoffed at. The amount of Portsmouth fans who have told me they wouldn’t give up their day out at Wembley, despite ending up all the way down in the fourth tier, is just stupid. Also, players who ‘fail’ might have still been worth their money. Andy Carroll kept West Ham up twice by performing in crucial games either side of injuries, so he earned his cash.
@ifeanyikennedy1047
@ifeanyikennedy1047 Жыл бұрын
Parasuit payment is inequitable. Championship teams should bring a representative suit or class action against the FA.
@epicmarschmallow5049
@epicmarschmallow5049 Жыл бұрын
Lmao what laws do parachute payments break?
@nameanteater4772
@nameanteater4772 Жыл бұрын
I mean if the premier league wasn’t so greasy and reduced the gap in revenue between leagues (thus able to getting rid of parachute payments) and making not only the championship and premier league more competitive but even Europe
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 Жыл бұрын
That would just shift the problem further down the pyramid . The championship would essentially become a premier league 2 and league one would then be in the situation the championship is in right now. The gap should definitely be reduced but also let’s not leave behind the 3rd and 4th tier teams that are a part of the football league.
@nameanteater4772
@nameanteater4772 Жыл бұрын
@@tombardsley3081 my point was if you give a percentage to each league and increase it the higher the tier
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 Жыл бұрын
@@nameanteater4772 that is what it is currently. It's what the solidarity payments are. So as long as the tweak doesn't then skew the gap between tier 2 and 3 and tier 3 and 4 then it's fine
@nameanteater4772
@nameanteater4772 Жыл бұрын
@@tombardsley3081 I just think they should scrap parachute payment and increase the percentage (at similar ratios between Champ, L1, L2 etc)
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 Жыл бұрын
@@nameanteater4772 you can't scrap them all together. Especially for teams that had been in the premier league for multiple seasons. Without them, Leicester would be in loads of trouble financially given their contract and player situation. Agreed for teams that have only been up 1 season but others that have been there 5 years plus, they need that money
@Nickjwj
@Nickjwj Жыл бұрын
What it does for a club’s fans is probably far worse. Newcastle is a prime example 14 years of misery was rough but look at us now HWTL
@dontmindme2375
@dontmindme2375 Жыл бұрын
Oil money.
@firestarter1888
@firestarter1888 Жыл бұрын
​@@dontmindme2375Yea sweat shop owning mike ashley was a lovely fella.
@Jesseg-rj6xf
@Jesseg-rj6xf Жыл бұрын
What’s the point of a relegation of the big teams can spend all they want and buy all the best players. no salary cap. All there needs to by a playoff system as well. Having a league winner before the season ends is a joke
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