When will Wrexham reach the Premier League?

[@SuperMickyChow]

As a Luton fan, we achieved it through the perfect storm of the following: Fan owned club The best value recruitment in the top 4 divisions Never spending beyond our means Managers who understood the project and worked with it Good old fashioned hard work and luck

[@WilliamWallace42]

And unfortunately your getting relegated instantly

[@soulsleep31]

@@WilliamWallace42 Hahahahahah so true

[@drunkenhobo8020]

​@@WilliamWallace42Which to be fair, isn't a complete disaster as they're not overspending trying to stay up.

[@ek6352]

​​@@WilliamWallace42they invested in the stadium and with all that pl tv money they will probably be back up. Also they might not get relegated as all the bottom 5 teams are close in terms of points.

[@msfklfl123]

@@WilliamWallace42 yeah but they'll be making $$ this season.

[@Allardje10ifly]

Leave it to Tifo to assume you're not an idiot and therefore actually explain things properly and be really informative

[@friesneverdies]

alright but I am an idiot though

[@jgons]

He didn’t explain it right. His data is completely wrong because it assumes promotion and doesn’t include the teams that never make it. You have to use lengths in leagues of all teams. Not just the ones that succeeded.

[@tomo8235]

@@jgons the question wasn't "how likely is it to get to the prem" though it was "how long has it taken teams to get into the prem from the same level that wrexham are playing at currently" which they showed all the teams that did get into the prem from league two, why would u show the teams that failed cuz they didnt make it to the prem yet so they haven't entered that statistic as of yet, if the video was made last year im sure luton wouldnt be involved cuz they wasnt an example of a team to make it to the prem from league two as of that point in time, so his data is right within the context of the question, again if it was how likely are they to make it to the prem then yes u would use teams that HAVE and HAVENT made it to the prem from league two

[@jgons]

@@tomo8235 You don't think the teams that didn't make it would like to? MOST teams fail promotion. You absolutely have to include the failed attempts. It's how data analysis works. You can't skew the results by only the successful pool. I get what your saying, but his presumptions is faulty. It rules out the possibility that they may (probably not with what they're spending) be among the teams to NEVER do it.

[@tomo8235]

@@jgons again the question was not “if they can make it or not” the question was “if they will get to the prem, looking at the past teams that was successful, what is a good prediction” I’m sure if the video was looking at how realistic it is they make it into the prem they would use failed attempts but they was basing the video on the idea they do get the prem and answering a question how long would it take for that ideal situation to happen

[@zaneplatt3533]

Fantastic video. Wasn't too complicated or over simplified. Felt just right

[@Simargo]

Fantastic comment. Wasn't too complicated or over simplified. Felt just right

[@traviswebb3532]

​@@mftmss7086expand on that please?

[@Lus_nom]

AGREE

[@Ancestrally-Guided]

Ok Goldilocks

[@adb3067]

​@@Simargoyes

[@michaelpyatt831]

They might be able to blitzkreig league 2 and 1. But in the championship they will have to contend with teams with premier league parachute payments and that’s going to be the big question

[@ellipticalsoul]

As a Forest supporter who had to wait 23 years to get back in, I have to agree. Even League One is a massive ask with some big teams like Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland, Derby, Hull, Bolton etc having been in there recently or currently.

[@noahpagel2823]

@nickp9171 Go Reds!

[@Jack-sq6xb]

6 months later you called it. I wish them luck in league 1

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Didn't know combined Arms where allowed in football

[@jacksonlewis84]

Yes

[@jondubourg5390]

It always bothered me that I was losing money in fm. Now I know it's reaistic

[@Tom-qb1rj]

All owners spending just to hope the clubs stature improves and value goes up over time.

[@velderyx2135]

Be a farmer mate, always works 100%

[@zsertymiop7136]

I think an important factor to consider is that if Wrexham were to have a few seasons of stagnation, maybe stuck in League 1 would interest from the owners and outside parties diminish.

[@catramax]

They failed to get promoted in their first season, the owners double downed, they may do the same, spend anything and do anything to find success, at least until they get to the championship

[@zsertymiop7136]

@@catramax Obviously its all hypothetical, but could you imagine if they spent say 3 or 4 years in league 1, im just not sure how marketable that is. Doubling down in the Vanarama is considerably less expensive than doing so in League 1 though. It will he interesting to see.

[@somethingcleverhere]

@@zsertymiop7136 One aspect that's been brought in analysis for why Wrexham was picked for investment is regionally it doesn't have many rivals to share a fanbase with, so it can have a more stable base. Just one aspect, but underremarked is that the whole story is not the happy accident of two sports fans falling in love with a deserving town, but well-researched investment. They had to be ready for a few years of non-investment. I imagine the owners are in for the long haul? But the tv show will be long gone when the battlecry turns into "we're sustainable!"

[@mankytoes]

Yeah, the massive assumption here is that Disney+ stick around. A lot of non-football fans are watching the documentary, but how many years is that going to last? Five? Ten? It seems like a lot. It's a good show, but will enough Americans really watch dozens, hundreds more episodes about plucky little working class British football? It could go either way, but if I had to bet, I'd guess this will end in tears, not the Premier League.

[@zsertymiop7136]

@@mankytoes I can't imagine Disney being interested in a programme around a middle of the table side. If they is no promotion challenge can they really sell it? The finances of Championship teams compared to League 1 and 2 is a huge gulf, the assumption they would easily be able to find further finance is a big one. Saying all that, I like Wrexham and have a few mates who support them. Nice to see them having a good time after years in non league.

[@go-ek7sg]

Ryan Reynolds is from a place called Canada but no problem. It’s a state in northern part of USA.

[@ben7286]

Thank you! Quite difficult to recall the name of that 51st state of the U.S.

[@henrymarks1632]

I mean he is an American just not USA

[@helloweeny]

He's had American citizenship for a long time.

[@ballsballsballs3617]

@@helloweenyreps Canada tho

[@Avatar1977]

It's the Canadian border region of America

[@NR-fd9wv]

i think there was an interview with reynolds where he briefly mentions the possibility of outside investors. my guess is that they have already considered this once they reach the championship. with the popularity and attention wrexham has been enjoying since they took over, the fact that there are 2 famous guys who represent the club, reynolds previous business success and their hollywood connections, i'm sure it will be easy for them to find investors.

[@yuugael4010]

would be fun if they ask other stars who have interest in the sports and wanting to own a club

[@A-small-amount-of-peas]

@@yuugael4010 Will Ferrell might be a possibility, he's already a good friend to Rob and Ryan, a massive soccer fan with a net worth of $160 million thanks to his former production company being very successful financially before his split with Adam Mckay but in the world of business they are better off attracting a non celebrity. I think the best arrangement they could do would be to sell the majority stake in the club to someone of more means but keep a decent stake in the club for themselves so they can still be visible brand ambassadors for Wrexham, still take part in the documentaries and lend their celebrity to the club as i'm sure no Wrexham fan wants to see them leave the club for good as they saved them and more importantly have rejuvenated the local community

[@sususegar]

There's just one caveat in this data. This is all taken from teams that actually reach the PL, so this is assuming that Wrexham WILL get there. Not to say they can't, just that it forms a very optimistic view when you only limit the comparisons to teams that did make it.

[@dubbaphatt3368]

Yes I’d like to see a comparison to other similar sized clubs from similar sized towns who have attempted the same. None have succeeded as far as I can tell.

[@aaronflatt3525]

​@dubbaphatt3368 luton are the only comparable really, and we are a fluke. The championship is easily achieved but the prem is such a huge leap, as illustrated by the spending differences

[@dubbaphatt3368]

i dont think Luton are a good comparison at all. Its 5 times bigger than Wrexham and is on the verge of the largest city in Europe. Also has a history as being a previous top level club. A better comparison would be Barnsley or Huddersfield, but even they are more than double the size of Wrexham town,. @@aaronflatt3525

[@jgons]

That what I said too. It’s much more likely they don’t make it statistically so you have to include the lengths of all the teams that didn’t make. This is a heavily skewed data set toward success.

[@albinjohnsson2511]

Exactly.

[@TheLIMREPORT]

HOLY CRAP THIS WAS JUST IN WELCOME TO WREXHAM!!! I hope DIsney gave Jon McKenzie a credit!!!!

[@joshedge7485]

I think their recruitment will be very important. The average age of their key players lies somewhere a little over 30, making sure that they are building a team that can compete in 5 years instead of just signing ex PL players in their twilight years will be important. They have a good few younger players who show promise, hopefully they can get it right and continue to lower that average age, finding players who fit into the system and can offer more than just 2-4 years of high level play

[@CrabSully]

Yeah, this seems to be a common theme, where they splurge on guys who are amazing and can get instant results - but I don't see much investment into the future. They should really be trying to snap up young upcomers who can grow and be important in a few years time.

[@venettore3601]

tbh, I think their current recruitment approach isn't a bad idea from now until the Championship. Once there, they can develop their youth players right as their more senior players are on the way out in order to make that final push into the Prem. Keeping in mind, of course, that the higher they go up and the better their trajectory looks, the more likely they are to attract high caliber prospects.

[@XzMattyxZ]

That's Parkinson though, great underdog manager with experienced heads for the short term but I wouldn't entrust him to build medium-long term

[@mylittlethoughttree]

Good video as ever but the question on my lips is "when will Ipswich reach the premier league?"

[@anandmahamuni5442]

McKenna is cooking

[@ILLALLU]

Looking good this season!

[@John_Kennedy27]

Time's up

[@notyourfriend1634]

It's not your fault

[@mylittlethoughttree]

@@notyourfriend1634 are you referencing good will hunting, by any chance?

[@helloweeny]

A penny for Nathan Jones' thoughts. Leaves luton, fucks up at Stoke, Luton get promoted. Leaves Luton, fucks up at Southampton, Luton get promoted.

[@00dude3]

he'll probably be back at Luton again come January

[@anandmahamuni5442]

Don't expect at all, it's fookin difficult

[@deeznoots6241]

Yeah they got the money to dominate the lower tiers but they’ll struggle competing against the financial might of championship teams, many of which will of course have parachute payments

[@magicjack4076]

@@deeznoots6241my team Leicester who shouldn’t of been relegated anyway is destroying the championship right now with a new manager and system from just quality right now and not even playing that well. Wrexham would be stuck in the championship minimum 10 years

[@robinthebobin6537]

Excellent video from Tifo as always! Fantastic analysis that is in-depth, insightful and detailed, but delivered in a straightforward way. As others have mentioned, I think the one potential hitch with Wrexham is that the exponential growth is sort of tied to sponsorship deals and interest from the TV show. If they go up the leagues quickly, you could see their income increase rapidly and exponentially as sponsors become more interested. But on the flip side, if they were to stagnate in say League 1 for even 2 seasons (I know this isn't long at all in the grand scheme of things but for a tv show it may be), it might be very hard for them to continue to do the same numbers on WTW and interest from brands may drop off a cliff. As John said in the video, the net worth of Ryan and Rob alone would definitely carry them through for the 3rd and 4th tier, but immediately becomes difficult once they're in the Championship. That's when they'll need behemoth sponsors such as United or TikTok the most. I do hope they can continue to move up the leagues, because it's a brilliant show and would be great for the town of Wrexham. I also agree wholeheartedly with the idea that this is a club run in the right way, so would be sad to see Ryan and Rob lose interest (Imo this is inevitable if they stagnate for too long)

[@benry007]

I think it would still be interesting if they are in the championship for a while but I agree they need to get through the other leagues at a decent pace to stay relevant. They may also seek investors when they get to the championship. If they bring on some other popular wealthy stars it could also renew interest in the club if it starts to wane.

[@robinthebobin6537]

@@benry007 Bringing in other stars is a good shout for the sort of thing that could keep it going actually. Just to be clear, when I say "keeping it interesting", I'm not really speaking for me (a bit of a football nerd lol), the audience of Tifo (also football nerds) or average british football fans; I'm sure we'd all enjoy watching it and following the club for a while even if they were in the championship for a fair few years. I'm more talking about the American audience/non-football-fans who are fans of Wrexham from the TV show. Realistically (nothing against those people as they obviously have other interests), I think it might be hard to keep the tv show and following the club interesting for those people if there was a period of stagnation.

[@robinthebobin6537]

@@benry007 You're definitely right about investors, agreed. Ryan and Rob will probably be acutely aware when they reach the Championship of how much money they'll need in proportion to the money they actually have. What would be really exciting (and a logical progression for the theme of the project) would be if they got more hollywood megastars - but ones even bigger than Ryan😂😂, on board. Not sure how many of these exist with a much higher networth than him though lol. Also for progress in the prem (a long way away if they ever get there), they would definitely need an ownership deal with someone with serious money, and yes for better or worse that would probably be some sort of Saudi investment group I'd imagine.

[@huw7779]

I know I'm late, but can't believe John made it onto welcome to Wrexham! Congrats!

[@Talk3rs]

The thing to consider as well is, whether their star players have quality for Championship. And it would be maybe for a great video for Tifo. Check how many players stayed all the way (and played part in success). While the quality might be great right now and they might have stars for 5th, 4th or even 3rd level, once you get in Championship and challenge for PL, you need different level of players. I checked Bournemouth in 09/10 and 14/15 (their promotions from 4th and 2nd level) and they had 1 player, who started regularly (15+ matches) in their L2 promotion during the LC promotion season. That means they discarded their entire squad within 5 seasons. That is why these clubs as well utilize loans, because they know they cant would need to do 2-3 complete overhauls of the squad. Because there are very few players, who are LC promotion quality (and the wages of that level) who are willing to go to L2. So in the end you need to compete with L1/L2 quality players to get to L2, Championship/L1 level to get to L1, Championship quality to get to Champ and then do it again with TOP champ/PL calibre players. That means they have ahead at least 2-3 more rebuilds to even challenge for promotion level and it is always question, how quickly they can do that. On the finance front, they have rather smaller stadium (15.5k), which would rank as one of the smallest stadiums. And the matchday income is huge amount of money.

[@eamonreidy9534]

Tifo, proof that people do want detail and complexity as long as you can explain and teach it with clarity

[@BOABModels]

It's now been ten years since Portsmouth were relegated to the 4th tier and we look like going up to the Championship this year🤞but I'm not sure we will go straight into the promotion hunt in the Championship. I'd prefer stability if we do go up.

[@rurugby]

7-10 years for Wrexham seems very fast to me. I could see them making League 1 after the 2024-2025 season. And not sure how long it would take to promote there. And getting out of the Championship is very hard. I think the key takeaway right now is 3 teams should be promoted from the National League not 2. Considering how well National League teams do in League 2.

[@AlexRN]

We’re past the halfway point and Wrecham is firmly in 2nd place in their first season of League Two do you still think they can’t get out this same year.

[@laxuspoldish6165]

They are making League 1 now

[@collinmoeller1345]

I think they’ll get investment and super charged revenue if they make it to the championship asap. Think it’s crunch time for them as the publicity if they make it to the championship will help drive an actually sustainable fan base that much more.

[@liquidfungi]

Faster Than Most People thought was possible. They are one step closer.

[@Mogojoegotube]

crazy that they're already going into league 1, one season in league 2 that's unheard of coming straight up from the national league. The future looks bright for wrexham!

[@ChrissyboyH44]

So I recently found this interesting info: English football clubs who could possibly make the Premier League (1992-93 onwards) for the first time in their history within the next 5 seasons (from most to least likely): 1. Preston North End 2. Bristol City 3. Millwall 4. Wrexham 5. Plymouth Argyle 6. Oxford United 7. Leyton Orient 8. Peterborough United 9. Notts County 10. Rotherham United So Wrexham 4th as things currently stand to possibly make the Prem for the first time over the next 5 seasons, although it could well be longer. Who disagrees with the order of this? I am rather doubtful over Rotherham ever making it, however far into the future...

[@colinjohnson8511]

great video as always, But if i may . Mr Reynolds is Canadian ( which yes means dollars , but like all things canadian their dollars are just slightly nicer ) 9:08

[@dubbaphatt3368]

Probably never. The town is tiny. They’ll need Boehly level investment to push through to the top. I’d wager the backers will lose interest before they get close.

[@sctmcg]

Here after Wrexham took one season to get through tier 4 and are now top of tier 3

[@joshc1981]

Correction: if they can get to the PL. These things are not foregone conclusions. Just look at Salford.

[@SteRDLK]

Salford were targeting the Championship by 2029?

[@joshc1981]

@@SteRDLK and they're still stuck in the midtable of leauge 2. Bet the PL will be terrified.

[@SteRDLK]

@@joshc1981 2019-20 - had lost two of the last 10 before the season was stopped. Next two seasons combined nine points from the playoffs. Last season five minutes from Wembley. Get a clue

[@DeyCallMeWagzzz]

How does getting promoted in the first year of League Two impact the timeline and outlook?

[@tomatoisnotafruit5670]

it doesn't

[@tomatoisnotafruit5670]

it doesn't really because the real challenge for a "rich" club is the Championship not League 2

[@DeyCallMeWagzzz]

@@tomatoisnotafruit5670 understood but if they were estimating 2 years in League 2 would love to get an updated opinion on the success and trajectory of

[@Trainspotting13]

las personas estamos muy necesitadas de valores, de pasion, de lealtad... y Wrexham nos da la posibilidad de sentirlo, sobre todo a personas que no viven el futbol de cerca y no tenian un equipo al que amar

[@davidloveday8473]

Presumably that's an average 14.33 years to get to PL *if* they get to the PL at all. Your graphs exclude the many teams that have never made it from 4th tier to top tier.

[@teddybear-el5wz]

This video is exactly what it needed to be. Super engaging and interesting. Perfect delivery

[@bensmith7971]

The thing that people forget about Wrexham is that the position they're in (getting promoted from the National League) is not due to being a well run club or clever tactics or a supremely loyal fanbase; rather they were able to bully every other club in their division by having an artificially inflated amount of money and clout to tempt in players that they wouldn't stand a chance at getting otherwise - and even then they were run close by organically run Notts County this season just gone, and actually lost out to Grimsby the season before last. Paul Mullins ripped up League 1 the season before joining Wrexham, he's clearly a Championship standard player, do you think he'd join any other side three divisions below his level if they couldn't tempt him with Championship wages and a fancy TV deal? What about Ben Foster? The fact is that if (not when, if) Wrexham did get to the Championship, they wouldn't be able to rely on having more financial resources than any of the teams around them to sign players far above their level given the money in that league from serious investors + parachute payments. Then in terms of reputation - do you think players would rather sign for a lower Championship club than a Premier League/UCL side because they're owned by Deadpool????

[@patrickmccormack3209]

Thank you for mentioning Notts County, I feel like I'm the only one who is seriously more impressed by what they are doing than anything about Wrexham. Notts County just got promoted along with Wrexham but are top of the table (Wrexham are 7th as I write this), and yet Notts County are doing it without any of the fanfare and eyeballs.

[@crankfastle8138]

Well the fact is Deadpool is very very wealthy. He can afford this for a while, his girlfriend (Mac) doesnt have near the same capital. If they stagnate, rob might have to sell out.

[@shawklan27]

​@@patrickmccormack3209sad reality really when exceptional talent goes ignored because they don't have enough clout

[@mankytoes]

@@patrickmccormack3209 Notts County are a great club, but they were a massive club to be in non-league, it isn't like they were little upstarts. If Wrexham were the non league Man City, Notts County were the non league Man United.

[@DrFod]

There is nothing organic about Notts, they made a £2 million loss which isn't much less than Wrexham.

[@CaelanDafydd]

I think Wrexham need to stick by Parkinson until he gets them into League One. He's clearly a competent manager at lower league level, and has earned a couple of seasons in League Two after getting them up there. However, I don't think they should be going into the Championship with the direct style, as that may lead to stagnation and may become expensive Hiring a new progressive manager in League One would enable them to start rebuilding the squad at a level where they are very likely to be safe even during the transition. They might then take a few seasons longer than average at League One level, but they would be better equipped for the Championship, and wouldn't end up getting stuck if they did go up then

[@bulelanibotman]

i absolutely love tifo when it backs their findings with actually data & how you how they reached that point, fantastic video

[@AngryAnt0]

Cov fan here, just to point out that last seasons play off final was two of the lower end spending teams in the champ, which is pretty impressive considering how much money is thrown at teams. Personally I think they'll fly through L2 & L1 but then stop at the champ for a good number of seasons, unless they do it in one season and don't get found out (much like Ispwich are currently doing).

[@jaycartwright1170]

thing is with ipswich is that they were in the depths of league one for quite a while, so when they went up they were fully prepared for the championship. I agree they'll fly through l2 and l1 but I dont think a third promotion in a row is even a slight possibility

[@ASHSRV]

I have to add 2 things: 1. The championship is very difficult to get out of, especially when dealing with the relegated premiership teams and their parachute payments. 2. Getting to the Premiership is all fine and good, now try sticking in that league building for 5-10 years! Most likely find relegation within 1-3 years. I’m not sure on prices but looking to spend 100-250 million on players to keep up in the Premiership after your promotion.

[@1990DJB]

Probably never. Unless they get lucky, their realistic ceiling is probably to survive at Championship level for a few seasons if they are well managed. Also I think this video underestimates how difficult it can be to get out of League 1. In the past, far bigger, and better resourced clubs than Wrexham ended up being stuck there for years e.g. Leeds, Forest, Sheff Utd, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Ipswich, Bristol City etc. It takes a lot of money to compete with these types of clubs over a sustained period at the top of League 1, and even more just to survive in the Championship.

[@nueva681]

I love these football data dives! I wish I could do more of it myself. Still learning.

[@karlmckinnell2635]

Excellent work, well reasoned analysis with data and well presented 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@Mattyj3388]

They may get promoted to the championship this season, but then they will plateau for a while. It's a huge leap in football quality between the championship and the Prem. They will need to stabilise themselves in the championship, make some stadium improvements as well

[@edwardbrown7986]

My favourite thing about Wrexham is seeing two blokes new to the sport fall in love with it. Also they are very likeable which helps

[@hackett152332]

No yank is likably

[@debuthunter5389]

@@hackett152332 - Ryan Reynolds is Canadian.

[@frankf684]

@@hackett152332kinda like there’s no good teeth in UK?

[@antiussentiment]

The Sweetheart and I are Australian rugby fans that, thanks to the Welcome to Wrexham series, now keep an eye on League 2 also. The Dear Woman is also painting her Wrexham (away strip) Subbuteo team even. What a great video breakdown of how English football works.

[@lilbaz8732]

Can't see the viewing figures for welcome to wrexham holding up for too many years. Once they start to dip it might get cancelled. Obviously that will mean less money from sponsorship. We'll see though.

[@cliftonkid]

Completely agree. It's a great show now and I'm sure next year with them in League 2 will probably be entertaining, but if they get stuck in League One for a few years I can't see it remaining so compelling

[@mbitenas87]

Wouldn't be surprised if they manage to get amazon on board to get featured in "all or nothing" series if FX cancels them in the future.

[@somethingcleverhere]

It's got to be a stepping stone in the marketing, it's loss offset by the fans it does pull in. While a lot of fans won't stay after the show, a base of revenue will, and they'll have at least a few years of lucrative exhibition tours while it's running. Still a big if, but they need to run until they're more popular/financially stronger, not forerver.

[@MathewClarke-bp6rw]

Why focus on the clubs that got promoted quickly through Tiers 3 and 2 - Wrexham are still in Tier 4!

[@Rggg95]

Because he’s covering their potential journey to the PL

[@JoaoFederle]

because he said that tier 4 is the one that usually takes the least time, and that wrexham are currently well set financially for it due to their high revenue against the salary cap.

[@YeTism]

Championship is their ceiling. And they’d be lucky to get that far.

[@pownder]

You underestimate the power of money. Reynold is a genius of marketing and utilizing star power. As long as they are successful on the pitch, they'd be able to bring in unlimited money. The only barrier to success for them will be recruitment. if they recruit wisely and sustainably, they will make the PL in record time. Unfortunately, having money rarely translates to proper recruitment. I hope they overhaul the board and appoint a director of football once they make league one. This will be essential to escape the championship

[@walsh451]

Itll be interesting to see how they go, back to back promotions up to league 1 is impressive, but they had a decent league 2 side last year in the National League, most of their players could play top League 1 or championship now. A few years in one division is never an issue, but it might be for the owners.

[@thelastgreataudit8112]

Bring back the tifo football show!

[@EshBBX]

I sincerely doubt Reynolds and co. actually realize the scope of investment/money being dealt around that comes with promotion and degradation. Buying a club for 2M doesn't get you to the premier league, even the lowest ranked squad in the premier league probably has a total value of 150M+, nevermind the fact that they'd also have to build a new stadium to match during this time costing another 60-120M.

[@SqueakyWeasel247]

Wow, it's refreshing to see two up top!

[@dr_ubo]

I'll be honest, I doubt they'll ever arrive at the Premier League but I still find it extremely important if they land and become regulars on the Championship.

[@Sci1211]

I think where they’ll come unstuck is when people get bored of the tv series. People aren’t just gonna watch it forever

[@DarthRevan182]

Wolves were in the 2nd tier at the start of the premier league era, so not sure where 4th tier comes into it. Only had 1 3rd tier season since 1992

[@Citizen-ku8kv]

Great video! I don’t know much about British football and don’t follow sports in general. Still really interesting and I was able to follow ❤

[@blur7491]

Very well put together video, easy to understand and the speaker presents everything really expertly.

[@deniskuzmic]

Brilliant video, perfectly explained and I learnt a lot from it. Thanks

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

I like how Nathan Jones is the fundamental reason why Luton have achieved two promotions, yet he's never actually been promoted with Luton.

[@treasuren]

Not only have I heard of FFP, but I've also heard of all the other letters

[@DynamiteBobby]

Just unfathomable their wage budget isn't significantly higher now than it was in their first season

[@jgons]

Your data is wrong. You’re only comparing them to the teams that succeeded. You have to include the teams that didn’t succeed for an accurate sample of moving between the leagues. Most teams never make it and that’s certainly a possibility for Wrexham even though the way you’re analyzing it it’s acting as if it’s a given they will get to the PL.

[@noahsmith4505]

For people in the States, put Revenue in brackets next to Turnover

[@HTx78]

i’m happy to see them make and stay in champions

[@PKOB2]

they struggled to beat crawley town, so my guess is that it will take them awhile.

[@Vahapetautus]

Fingers crossed once the interest from the documentary dies down, and they suddenly have 30% of their legitimate revenue then they can’t support the wage bill, they’ll sell some players maybe pay out of the owners pocket and receive sanctions. Back to the national league for you Wrexham ‘fans’, try and get out of the hardest league without bankrolling it now

[@ianbanks3016]

I can see maybe one more promotion to League One before everyone gets bored with it, gets tired of losing money and they're ditched. I'd expect the cost of getting to the Premier League to be significantly more expensive given the fact they'd probably have to build a new stadium at some point.

[@Valpo2004]

Are you talking about the owners or the fans that have followed them? I don't think the owners are going to suddenly get bored, Reynolds has proven to be a long term investor in his previous businesses. The question is more of keeping the interest of the fans that have followed the owner and documentary. Which means it's critical for them not to get stuck in the mid table of league 1 or 2 for more than say 2 years. Otherwise if people lose interest, the revenue will start to dry up from the loss of the documentary series to the loss of big time sponsors. No matter how much they are willing to spend, the whole thing still hinges on the club attracting revenue that other clubs in their league can't match.

[@shawngillogly6873]

Losing money? How? The money they put into stadium renovation will make them money in the long term. Most of the rest of the money put into the club has already been recouped. As long as the sponsorships float the boat, they're fine.

[@frankf684]

@@Valpo2004Rob inferred on an episode he was probably done if they didn’t get promoted last year.I don’t know about Reynolds but I’d see Rob out as soon as the winning stops and no one cares anymore.His ego seems fragile

[@xBigBean]

Pretty barebones knowledge to figure out Ryan Reynolds, they main investor of the 2, is Canadian not American. It’s also pretty well known Canadians don’t like to be called Americans, for obvious reasons.

[@HayyBooBoo4]

Wrexham is a marketing club, I'll leave it at that.

[@vincemassara3283]

There's also the chance that the show stops being popular.

[@Bunnyone000]

Wow that was very insightful❤

[@PatrickKelly-lz3pv]

It is so difficult to gain all those promotions to get to the Premier League staying there while having to play the best teams in the English League is even more difficult.

[@suptee1]

Parky is probably a top league one manager at best.If Wrexham make to the Championship I doubt he adjusts.

[@PeteBaldwin]

The FFP regulations have made promotion much more difficult. In League 2, they're against plenty of teams that have no money so they can outspend them. In League 1, things will start to get a lot more difficult and once they reach the Championship, there are lots of clubs that are spending as much money as they are physically allowed to. At that point, it's more about how much revenue they can bring in to offset any costs... If they make all the right decisions and sign the right players, it's possible but the advantage they have at the moment won't work for them as they get higher and higher up the leagues.

[@NiBo608]

I agree with the risk of the direct approach. That is probably why they have the worst defence of the top 5 in League Two.

[@residentgrigo4701]

Now part of Wrexham lore due to Fx.

[@RevStickleback]

Recruitment is key. They can do well currently because they can outspend most of their peers. In League One it'll be harder. At Championship level, that will no longer be an option. There are much bigger clubs there than Wrexham, with owners who have deeper pockets.

[@timmy5876]

10-15 years i think as a wrexham fan. We won’t go up this year but we will definitely go up next year or the year after then again we’ll spend 2/3 years in league one so let’s say in 5 years time we’re in the championship which is very hard cus naturally 2 teams go up instantly then there’s the playoffs. We’ll be there for 5 years to 10 years cus u always expect 2 of the relegated teams to have a good go at the top then there’s another couple who challenge

[@Vahapetautus]

You’re not a Wrexham fan. You’re not even Welsh.

[@timmy5876]

@@Vahapetautus literally born in wrexham hospital mate lol

[@laxuspoldish6165]

Well, they are going up this year.

[@itsmychannel]

Per my current FC24 run with my Glasgow FC dynasty they made it to the premier league in 6 years.

[@danrodrigues3531]

If they were to get promoted to some of the higher leagues, at some point, does a larger facility for them to play in to be economically viable? At what point would that be?

[@afropunkx]

Man I thought a mosquito got caught in my headphones for a sec.

[@hoytoy100]

Wow. That system is super complicated and it is hard to see how teams stay afloat. Maybe it would be best to release the top tier teams to go play with themselves, and completely realign the system, leagues, and revenues.

[@vrushabhambade2965]

AFC Richmond is also a great case in point for moving up the tiers 😂

[@LiftandCoa]

im taking a shot in the blue: Staight Line plus 2 years from the release of this video outgoing (so the past season from 4th to 3rd tier included). Which would make 5 years, 4 to go.

[@chrisofnottingham]

TBH, I think that even if Wrexham just got solidly into EFL League Two and stayed there and was financially stable, that would still be a win for the role of the club.

[@user-tg6vq1kn6v]

It would make more sense to include the 5th tier if comparing since the start of the Prem

[@Phi1618033]

Wrexham is already at the top of League 2 at the moment, and if they continue at this pace, they'll likely get promoted into League 1 at the end of this season. I would not at all be surprised if Wrexham makes it to the Championship within the next 5 years. The real question is how long it will take them to get out of Championship and into Premier. That's what could take a very long time.

[@MebXVII]

I'm confident that they'll get into The Premier League long before a Glazer/RATcliffe United get anywhere near winning it again.

[@apple-on5pq]

I actually lead Wrexham to won the premier league when I was playing cm2 back in the old days.

[@ArmyofLove]

Stop putting pressure on this club, LEAGUE ONE will be a great achievement from non league. Everyone can dream of the PL. The 2 owners have done a magnificent job and the town has really benefitted.

[@TomWxm]

Owners are American & Canadian

[@WhatsTheDealWithSports]

great video, thanks guys

[@ms.antithesis]

i think the investors plan is, like with a lot of other reynolds busines projects, to try and find new investors and sell once you've used your name to make a name for the business.

[@VinVaris]

Notts will be waiting for them like the rival main character

[@laxuspoldish6165]

Actually, Wrexham will be waiting for Notts now.

[@CoysRamirez]

So from what I understand, owners might not even really wish to get promoted from 3rd to 2nd division cuz every team's basically throwing money trying to get to the prem to recoup losses and make a killing. I wonder if there are any teams that intentionally throw a promotion into 2nd div cuz they don't wanna deal with that

[@Lord_Shouty]

I tend to agree if they invest right 8 years, however other teams are also investing and they have to be really careful with FFP rules. I can see them getting stuck in the Championship for quite a while....

[@bkayser05]

I'm curious, how much did Wrexham spend to get from League 2 to League 1? It's rare to have back-to-back promotions and they obviously did it faster then expected

[@miketokles9451]

Great video, tought me a lot about soccer

[@kenzieross4247]

Ryan Reynolds is Canadian

[@jackmixxter_89]

what happens now because they got back to back promotion?

[@tomatoisnotafruit5670]

nothing, everything in this video still applies.

[@masterc05]

How do people always forget that Bournemouth had a billionaire owner?

[@XzMattyxZ]

Much as I love Parky for what he did with us (Bolton) he isn't the most sustainable squad builder and I don't think is going to be able to control games in the champ (his style of play with us was needed given the underdogs we were with no money and a bunch of rejects but at Wrexham where you can basically build whatever you want I don't think it'll last a poor run of results in L1, presuming they get up this year)

[@CezrDaPleazr]

This was such an incredible video, thank you