COD Vanguard vs Battlefield 5 - Weapons Comparison

[@HenryThe2ndAnimator]

I think the reason the reloads look super Modern is for an excuse for them to fit in Warzone's Modern era.

[@dbkwk9]

@DogSayingWoosh yeah

[@somestooperdguy]

Soldiers in WW1/WW2 also did not fire pistols with both hands

[@Settiis]

That makes no sense. It’s purely just laziness.

[@benjaminmhenderson]

@@somestooperdguy how would anyone know that was that just how it was taught at the time? Or an assumption

[@getthegoons]

So from what I understand, and this is all half remembered leaks and rumors so grain of salt, originally Vanguard wasn't meant to be compatible with Warzone, and then Activision said "Listen here you little shits." So because they had to retool so much, it affected Cold War (again half remembered rumor) because Treyarch had to cover for them. So it's possible that they just opted to reuse animations where they could, thus the more modern tactical ones.

[@ElViperr408]

Vanguard’s reloading animations really don’t fit well for a WW2 setting

[@jotarokujo4787]

I agree, i noticed that bfv animations fit the setting better

[@matthewg5502]

They fell kinda forced into the game since they want to go to MW’s trail

[@counterman-namreview516]

maybe Vanguard is play role of professional soldier (the origin of modern special operator) than average soldier like BF5

[@petorasuke]

@@counterman-namreview516 that doesn't make any sense for me, the training back in the ww2 is much more different than today. I don't have any deep knowledge but i think the training for soldiers in ww2 are merely focused on endurance, survival, and on how to shoot rather than today that is primarily tactical, gathering precise information, and the usage of new gadgets...

[@katanazero2631]

How do you know tho. Are you lived in ww2 era ?

[@meulchyarino]

The true 1vs1 fight of "V"

[@woodsnose2909]

True

[@vincentfiestada]

V v V

[@друг-з1ь]

Battlefield V-anguard

[@seanfernandolopez9139]

**Battlefield Vietnam sad noises**

[@Tourettes-syndrome-gaming]

Who will keep their title and emerge victorious

[@miloh2112]

When he reloaded the Panzerfaust in vanguard, i almost got a heart attack

[@eliososa6878]

Ye- AGHHHHHHHH.

[@pogieza]

Jokes on you im into that shit

[@welkingunther5417]

There were at least a few versions of the Panzerfaust that were capable of being reloaded so it's not that crazy, though they were made near the end of the war so it wasn't that many.

[@davidward3848]

I also almost had a heart attack

[@Morgan_Freeman_]

@@welkingunther5417 I think you’re talking about the panzershreck, that it is very different from the panzerfaust, one was a one time use and other was reload. But vanguard made a panzerfaust reloadable so not acceptable

[@CoreRealm]

It's Pretty hard to choose between the animation and models But BFV wins the sound easily

[@gradeequality4099]

The bfv animations suck

[@alejandrorodr765]

@@gradeequality4099 It's good, but not tactical like Vanguard

[@gradeequality4099]

@@alejandrorodr765Bfv lacks weight and punch. It looks floaty as hell.

[@CoreRealm]

@@gradeequality4099 that might be true but its still good

[@iamthefloor_0454]

@@gradeequality4099 true

[@tardarsauce1842]

That tactical animation kinda ruins the WWII immersion in COD Vanguard. The animation looks good, but I still prefer Battlefield V's simple reload animations

[@dutch4260]

I feel like people are criticizing BFV's animations too much for being simple, despite being extremely well animated. Not evey game needs to have overexagerated "tacticool" animations. As much as I like MW2019's animations it still feels way too much like my character is on three different kinds of coke.

[@BoxOfCurryos]

It’s not a WW2 game in the common sense, it’s about special forces in an alt-history WW2. creative liberty I guess

[@fifteen8850]

@@dutch4260 imo they’re well animated, but “extremely” well animated

[@OrRaino]

@@BoxOfCurryos that still doesn't make sense, yeah in that case Vanguard can add laser beams and Railguns too

[@BoxOfCurryos]

@@OrRaino yeah and if they did it would be fun as fuck let’s be honest… even better if they put a Easter egg story behind it

[@scorpionjimmy8734]

In terms of animation quality, I prefer Vanguard, but in terms of accuracy of guns I definitely prefer Bf5. That random popped out mag on the einhorn is just disgusting.

[@Krejii05]

Eh, i feel like the animations make the guns worse, it looks like a shitty tactical fps, in a ww2 era…. Which makes no sense, the concept of BFVs animations are more realistic, soldiers didn’t keep mags often, if at all. they didn’t c-clamp. They just shot them like BFV shows I always knew MW would just slowly ruin the possibility of cod changing as now if its not MW graphics, “good” animations, etc *like cold war* everyone complains

[@Krejii05]

Not to mention how they cant even be bothered to learn what a fucking luger is called, its not copyright worries as the company doesnt make them anymore.

[@max_-dude1683]

I like the animations more in bfv. To me they feel more natural and also they are more accurate (no tac reloads, no holding a pistol with both hands, no c-clamp)

[@beraetuestarz3696]

Don't forget that you physically can't Reload a fucking panzerfaust...

[@beraetuestarz3696]

They also butchered a HUGE number of iron sights

[@anomer19]

0:34 what's mind blowing to me is that the m1911 sometimes recoils horizontally a bit in battlefield 5, i like when games have small details like that

[@randomusernameidk]

Ikr. Not a lot of games do that. You should see how bf1 does it. It's way more noticeable and natural imo

[@malvinbanaticla6250]

Cod mw and codm has that i think, more noticable on cod mw

[@randomusernameidk]

@@malvinbanaticla6250 It does. But it only recoils to the right. It looks really realistic and a lot like how pistols recoil in real life tho

[@malvinbanaticla6250]

@@randomusernameidk in codm, it barely shows, or even some guns dont, but you can see it in cod mw, escpecially the akimbo, its so satisfying to watch because of how realistic it is

[@randomusernameidk]

@@malvinbanaticla6250 Agreed. The animators did a phenomenal job. Makes me think how well it would translate into an actual tactical shooter if the animations were slowed down to be a little more realistic.

[@muhammadnajmimurindo9289]

Mistakes on COD Vanguard : - 2:31, The Winchester 1897 Shotgun (Combat Shotgun) on COD Vanguard's animation looks funny when going to empty reload animations. Because the hammer moves (to hit the firing pin, so the gun shoots), but the other "Cocked Hammer" appears as if the gun has "Two Hammers" ... - 15:38, Rocket Launcher's (Panzerschrek and Bazooka) reload animations are inaccurate, where they need to attach the cable that is from the rocket to the power source that is on the Launcher's itself to fire the rocket ... - 3:57, the Browning Auto-5 (Gracey Auto) Reloads should be putting one magazine to mag-tube (or the chamber), and it should press the bolt catch button first to close the chamber / bolt and not auto loaded ... Mistakes on BF5 : - 0:32, The 1911 pistol, when it locked back. It doesn't locked fully to the back to the rear .... - 15:28, Rocket Launcher's (Bazooka) reload animation is inaccurate, where they need to attach the cable that is from the rocket to the power source that is on the Launcher's itself to fire the rocket ...

[@ALX_6.11]

For the 1897 it probably an oversight,because it looks more like a duplicate layer of it and they forget to delete it.

[@muhammadnajmimurindo9289]

@@ALX_6.11 right

[@minhquang2640]

You also forgot the Panzerfaust 60 that can reload in CoD Vanguard.

[@naphatpromkong3138]

I'm thinks I understands they both about rocket launcher reload tho :v if they make cable detail reloaded animation it will get more time time to load a new rocket and yes player will get rude specially in BF where in multiplayer you can meet enemy armoured vehicles or tanks anytime that's mean in game anti-armoured vehicles weapon should not reload too slow (btw the Panzerfaust in CoD vanguard is very burn my eyes and brain)

[@muhammadnajmimurindo9289]

@@naphatpromkong3138 well then, the winner for the most realistic Reloading Animation for WW2 games is The *Hell Let Loose* …

[@M0rshu64]

Fun fact about the Type 11: in real life it's "magazine" was actually a non detachable hopper that was fed individual arisaka rifle stripper clips. It was used in a prone position and maned by two soldiers. One fed the Hopper and another fired it.

[@elfraca_06897]

In this video, in battlefield 5, it only shows the upgrade reload on the type 11, that makes it reload faster, actually the standard reload on the type 11 in bf 5 without the upgrade is actually what you said, reloaded with arisaka stripper clips.

[@darrengarcia4937]

The hopper was detachable. That just wasnt the doctrine for reloading.

[@cripple8339]

@@darrengarcia4937 im pretty sure it was for maintenance, using it to reload would be like replacing the battery in your phone just to get it to 100 percebt

[@welkingunther5417]

@@cripple8339 Kinda reminds me of how the Lee Enfield is. More or less.

[@better-shotgun]

@@welkingunther5417I remember the first time I tried to remove a Lee-Enfield magazine when I was ~16. Accidentally shot a round and somehow scoped myself. They are hard to remove and the magazine release is in a questionable spot.

[@lemoncandy2707]

I’m a bit disappointed that we didn’t get to see all of the available reload animations that both games feature. For example, in both games you have the option to use either drum or stick magazines for the Thompson submachine gun. Or the belt fed reload animations for the MG-42 featured in both games.

[@elflordyt6830]

@Topan Lazuardi you mean m1 garand. The A1 was semi auto and mag fed in nam

[@lemoncandy2707]

@Topan Lazuardi I know, but I still wanted to see both the drum and stick magazine reload animations from both games.

[@ALX_6.11]

@@elflordyt6830 What r u talking about here? What A1?

[@elflordyt6830]

@@ALX_6.11 m1a1 is a CARBINE

[@ALX_6.11]

@@elflordyt6830 But Topan referred to M1A1 thompson

[@RolloTonéBrownTown]

Bf5 looks and sounds better but let me just say I really like how rough and desperate they made the Volkstrumgewher look. I've never seen that weapon so well done. Makes it seem like you're really using a crudely made, last ditch rifle

[@JV-bj4kx]

Yeah

[@Driemma0]

Yeah thats the one thing i like more about vanguard, other than that bf5 honestly did everything better

[@jesusdontlikethatimgaybuts9493]

too bad they fucked it up by making it fully automatic though

[@rosaria8384]

@@jesusdontlikethatimgaybuts9493 the semi auto version is available too, which is the correct one, at Assault Rank 20

[@Lisanicolas366]

@@rosaria8384 He was talking about the Volkssturmgewehr in Vanguard

[@UnfunnyFigs]

both have their merits. the vanguard reloads just feel a little too tactical for ww2 I think

[@Jester4460]

Tactical didn’t. Exist back but vanguards a bit odd Despite what people think vanguard is post ww2 and it operators are ment to be like the first spec ops soilders types Problem is if they are the first why do they reload like they are rhe 100th

[@NeedForSpeed.2004]

Vanguard’s panzerfaust is by far the worst offender in terms of reloading. Why you may ask? Because it reloads.

[@rayhezbroham7297]

I also appreciate the fact that the Vanguard soldier doesn’t have a shoulder and their gun bounces around crazy

[@pihlajafox]

You know that in ww2 they hadn't yet figure out how to make guns recoil more controllable. Its one of the only things that seems to be ok in vanguard

[@bitbat9]

@@pihlajafox i mean thats just not true. I have fired several WW2 guns and the recoil is not more severe than modern weapons.

[@Vemppu_Lutku]

@@pihlajafox et taida olla opetellu paljoa aseista?

[@Bestgameplayer10]

@@bitbat9 I don’t know if I believe that one. Some guns back then were made to not be heavy on recoil but I don’t believe that’s the case for most.

[@ruffleswinner2212]

I feel like that makes it more realistic?

[@creamchalice6405]

vanguard just makes me appreciate bfv more now

[@jovanlopez5284]

Both vanguard and 2042

[@CoreRealm]

Is it just me or a few guns in BFV is bigger and a few is smaller in Vanguard?

[@blobman1238]

Maybe it's just the perspective? Idk, I feel like same

[@HausAbendrot]

Yeah, Sledgehammer really doesn't know how to properly scale guns. Just look at both WW2 and Vanguard's M1911, they look like peashooters.

[@munanchoinc]

Guns in Vanguard is extremely small or they have huge hands. The size of the Bullets alone should take half of the hand and yet in Vanguard it's about the half the size.

[@kek621k]

@@munanchoinc AYYYYY ITS YOU

[@munanchoinc]

@@kek621k yes

[@theunknown4233]

the hammer on the vanguard M1897 looks like it's doubled

[@griz312]

It’s a big Goof, because there is only 1 hammer in the real model and quite baffling why there is even two to begin with.

[@theunknown4233]

@@griz312 bad model animation?

[@theunknown4233]

also the detail on the volkssturmgewehr is almost accurate since they were rushed in production

[@CoreRealm]

@@theunknown4233 no, it's just a rigging problem

[@theunknown4233]

@@CoreRealm ohh

[@modyphantom]

Battlefield 5: honestly the reloads and sounds are great except some. Models are good for its time. Call Of Duty Vanguard: some sounds are good and others are bad. The reloads are great. The models are somewhat bad compared to bf5. Moral of the comparison: both got great reloads and models, but bf5 wins at the sound department.

[@actdiff]

Recorded irl

[@modyphantom]

@@actdiff ik, Vanguard is obviously generated or smth like that.

[@coolcat-nq4mj]

Highly saturated colours doesn't mean it's better lol, the reason why it looks better in bf5 is unrealistic over saturated colours, eye candy

[@CoreRealm]

I might be high but sounds in Campaign is louder than Multiplayer For vanguard

[@modyphantom]

@@coolcat-nq4mj did I even talk about the saturation and realism bullshit? No. Vanguard graphics aren't even that good. Not because they used mw2019 engine it means the game will look good.

[@ponch0429]

I totally prefer the BFV reload animations, i know Vanguard animations are really cool but being that tactic just doesn’t fit the era for me, i do know both games aren’t realistic we already know the controversy that these games had, but BFV at least saves a bit the immersive essence sometimes. Just a point, Realism ≠ Immersion.

[@eliasnicolasmiranda4940]

both games sucks you wannt real WW2 immersion play Hell Let Loose or other many great WW2 games

[@ponch0429]

@@eliasnicolasmiranda4940 I made clear that it wasn’t my point but ok

[@atfyoutubedivision955]

You're 100% right. I think there's a nunance there that people on both sides miss. When people say "we want realism", they're usually asking for the game to feel like a ww2 game with correct animations, sounds and characters, and not a modern tacticool fps game in a ww2 skin.

[@Yeahimman32]

@@eliasnicolasmiranda4940 they don't suck if people are still playing it also we're not talking about WWII immersion Battlefield players want apple and you history nerds want orange that's different

[@redactedgamersgd1788]

@@eliasnicolasmiranda4940 honestly BFV deserves that good ww2 game spot for the "i like ww2 but i despise realism" type of people

[@clumsygarage1578]

The MG42 in BFV just sounds comically powerful in a way that very few guns in games do and I love it for that.

[@JAB6322]

Anyone notice something weird on the M1897 Shotgun in Vanguard? The hammer animation doesn't look right.

[@chrislee3720]

I think it's the animator mistakenly put 2 of the hammer model on it and animated only one of them.

[@nothingtosay135]

it's wired that M1897 has two hammers....

[@WhatsThisOwO]

They just forgot to remove that cocked hammer after firing while still including the uncocked one

[@HeCometh232]

It also doesn't have a heat shield

[@GuraiMockery]

@@HeCometh232 M1897 doesn't need to have necessarily heat shield, the one in Vanguard is the Riot version which Didn't have either bayonet nor heat shield And had longer barrel.

[@shadowtrooper262]

I kinda suspected the Sledgehammer audio team is using similar reload audios from COD WW2. Its a little improved but I still hear similarities. Firing feels suppressed on rifles and noticeably on the BAR and I do hear the same clinking or water pipes on any metal weapons. Someone check the credits for COD Vanguard and see if its the same audio team as COD WW2 because I don't think they have much knowledge of how WW2 firearms sound like.

[@admiraldesto2170]

Both games look great with models and reloads, but bfv has WAY better sound design

[@bengheing7722]

I like how for the 1911 in battlefield they actually hold the gun with one hand which is a nice little touch.

[@redactedgamersgd1788]

not so much, hell 4/5 ww2 themed cod games before vanguard does handle pistols 1 handed, evem cod ww2

[@chrxs61632]

@@redactedgamersgd1788 Yup Vanguard doesn’t even try. Even WaW was one handed even though every other game was two handed

[@Joe-ss9is]

I personally prefer Battlefield 5, but imo the more tactical animations of Vanguard are pretty satisfying to watch, DESPITE THEIR HISTORICAL INACCURACY. There reply section, are you happy? Jesus christ

[@nonoman3246]

I'd take vanguard since I have BF1 which is better than BFV and well BF1 is just better than BFV but I enjoy COD more

[@vedolre]

I could agree on this on their mechanically and practically accurate animations

[@Nottagilla]

@@nonoman3246 That's like saying "I preffer a Breda M30 over an M249 SAW".

[@endercomt2380]

@@nonoman3246 each to their own I guess, I personally enjoy BF way more than COD

[@CoreRealm]

@@Nottagilla common sense term please?

[@StarkRaven59]

Battlefield 5 pays more attention to the proper operation of its firearms, but the animation quality is less constrained, a bit more loose and bouncy. Unfortunately prone to some animation hitching on things like the shotguns. Sound design is more varied, and generally more punchy. The model quality is acceptable, but the FPS hands are pretty crunchy and have some clipping with certain weapons. Vanguard is generally more fluid with its animations, and more constrained with reduced movement intensity and bounce. Unfortunately due to the Call of Duty Crunch, Vanguard has some rather glaring animation errors, and is very much walking in MW19's shadow. You wouldn't see many of these reloads in the documentaries. Sounds are almost like the shots are being recorded from some distance away, and with what feels like a microphone that can't handle all the decibels. They lack punch, and some of the handling sounds are very samey. Model quality is good, but the guns being modeled are generally of the cheap Chinese knockoff variety because they don't want to bother with licensing. This is pretty heavy generalizing, and there are outliers among each set of weapons. All opinions are my own.

[@chrysecreative5575]

Spot on analysis 👌

[@ran_3221]

I think the reason for the modern style reloads are because of the special forces theme of the campaign, who know, maybe they trained to fight differently from the typical army techniques

[@Krejii05]

THANK YOU STARK This is what i mean, MW19 in the long run just has fucked them into doing the same old “everything must be tactical otherwise we get complaints”

[@Baolong-Phan]

I did see that with the kar98 im vanguard there is some hitching when cycling whilst aiming down the sights

[@vergy]

As someone who fires a crap load of different guns I agree with everything you said by both games except the sound design is actually horrid in BF. To someone who doesn't really shoot guns it sound great but it isn't. There is way to much echo from the 1st person perspective. From the shooters perspective there is almost no echo, the sound should just be blunt or a straight thump if you want to word it like that. Followed by the echo after. You should have none or extremely minimal echo when you pull the trigger. Vanguard is also guilty of this but not on all weapons. MW 2019 actually did an amazing job at capturing the weapon sounds from the shooters perspective. BF sounds is as if you are standing 20 feet away from the actual shooter and not the shooter himself.

[@naphatpromkong3138]

Panzerfaust 60 reloaded in Vanguard is absolutely hurt my both eyes and brain Note : Panzerfaust 250 was only Panzerfaust that can reloaded cuz it's used a reloadable tube like RPG (RPG-2 based on this Panzerfaust) but Panzerfaust 250 development was never complete and non of them ever in production

[@no-bodymr6419]

Literally most of the guns in BF1 and no one said anything about it.

[@EvanJefferson1]

Your grammar is absolutely hurt my both eyes and brain

[@agentlinrov1474]

Considering that Vanguard is part of a team of Task Force soldiets, they would get top of the line tech and prototypes that they can use in the battlefield, meaning that they can get their hands on a Panzerfaust 250.

[@Frozander]

@@agentlinrov1474 Vanguard is allied, they ain't getting hold of unproduced german prototype before germans.

[@agentlinrov1474]

@@Frozander With the timeframe of Vanguard including the 50s, they may have actually acquired prototype german weapons.

[@blookester6583]

One other neat little sound design detail that not too many people will notice in BFV is that there's a distinct difference in sound when it comes to the Open bolt guns (SMG and MG) compared to the Closed bolt (AR and Sniper) guns: When you fire with an open bolt gun in BFV you can actually hear the bolt move forward before the round is fired out the gun, which is why most of the SMG's and MG's when firing sound's like "shPOW, shPOW, shPOW" as if the gun is chugging along, compared to the assault rifles that just go "POW, POW, POW" and sounds solid and snappy. What's even better is the fact they added the detail of the FG-42 being both an open closed bolt gun depending on the fire mode. *Try firing the FG-42 in single shots while switching between full and semi auto and hear if you notice a difference.*

[@JoaoVictor-vd9fn]

i prefer bfv animations for their smoothness, but cod vanguard animations are pretty good

[@NeedForSpeed.2004]

I swear Vanguard’s reloading sounds for some of the SMGs sound like someone moving ice around in their mouth

[@HeavyTanker-vx4oq]

Vanguards M1911 looks like it's chambered in 25acp. Not 45acp.

[@scrumbungulus]

BFV's 1911 looks like it's chambered in .50 AE

[@charliefoxtrot5490]

BFV's 1911 must be chambered in 50 BMG then

[@adelinoschafer9778]

@@charliefoxtrot5490 no its definitely 45 acp lol

[@scrumbungulus]

@@adelinoschafer9778 1911s are not that big at all. Those are some Desert Eagle proportions.

[@adelinoschafer9778]

@@scrumbungulus Actually the 1911 from ww1 was slightly bigger the one in CoD looks like its a 380 acp.

[@Antimanele104]

Say what you want about BFV, but DICE f*cking NAILED THE M1 GARAND. Magnificent work and a thing of beauty. Just don't attach any scope to it, for Christ's sake.

[@irishkiwi477]

They even had multiple reload animations, they poured so much love into that weapon

[@comradejack5376]

@@Antimanele104 wait seriously? Let's test that. Shit

[@Antimanele104]

@@comradejack5376 Ok, so far, so good. I guess KZbin will delete comments if they have more trivial words in them.

[@iMost067]

M1 in BF5 have 14 reload animations, including thumb

[@rosaria8384]

The scope for the M1 Garand in BFV is correct, but is incorrectly placed. It was used on the M1C and M1D Garands.

[@ZNR-om9yn]

Imo BFV wins easily. 2 reasons why: It doesn't try so hard to be tacticool like cod. And secondly, the sound design is excellent. (Much better than this COD imo) Vanguard tried so hard to be like Modern Warfare, that forgot what make that game so good... it was unique, and fresh, and so well made that the gunplay was considered on par with milsims. But now, everything needs to be exactly like MW. Not better, not different, but a clone. Except it doesn't work. Not if the devs responsible for the success of MW wasn't present to make Vanguard. The point is, COD devs, stop trying to copy. (Also, it wasn't only the animations that were good. The sound designs and attention to details were two other major components for that level of quality. And let's be honest, Vanguard sfx are nothing special at best.)

[@1upproductions423]

Idk the animation looks more realistic in vanguard and looks like you're in a gunfight the reloads look like hes struggling instead of taking his time although you make good points

[@kawaiidestruktor7809]

@@1upproductions423 yes reloads in vanguard are a bit more realistic, because everyone in ww2 gunfights were like a fkn john wick or something

[@dutch4260]

@@1upproductions423 Nobody shot pistols two handed in WW2, people shot them with one hand because 1) That's what they were taught & 2) That's just how people shot a pistol back then. There's no way in hell people swapped magazines like that either, especially with a Thompson where it's a challenge in itself just to get the magazine alighted with the guide rails, let alone doing that with two mags in one hand.

[@fifteen8850]

That’s a pretty shallow take on Vanguard imo

[@kiloklavdi1185]

@@fifteen8850 the game is as shallow as it can be with its attention to details

[@sonyviva308]

I like the finger animations in Vanguard at 10:38. Very well made

[@nassa5367]

U sus

[@Pearloryx]

10:42 especially when you see the hand magically snaps 😂 Truly immersive

[@MG42-]

Battlefield V owns sound, recoil and some animations are great. Sad to see a 2021 game in these conditions, but hey.. it's cod, that's normal. Battlefield = Quality Cod = Quantity

[@KinkKush]

and somehow vanguard has more content in its game on day one than BFV does 3 years later. so do you care about the game... or the coat of paint??

[@GothicHellhound]

@@KinkKush I mean if you call a stuf without a recoil spring content

[@M0D776]

Nah, both suck

[@BVA07]

@@M0D776 nah, bfv is good

[@M0D776]

@@BVA07 you'd rather play BFV? I'd rather play BF1

[@Blitzinity]

1:21 Triangle shells still haven't been fixed

[@WaltherWA-bb2dl]

Battlefield 5: has the full name and only changed the C96 Carbine and Auto-5's names Call of Duty Vanguard: changes the name of the gun to "avoid copyright"

[@Nottagilla]

Other than the Auto-5 and C96.

[@WaltherWA-bb2dl]

@@Nottagilla yis

[@CoreRealm]

If you're tired of the fake names then just call it the way you want

[@WaltherWA-bb2dl]

@@CoreRealm so i can call a trench gun an "ak-45"? sweet

[@CoreRealm]

@@WaltherWA-bb2dl yes, I called the MG42 "German Rambo"

[@mishmash4760]

With Battlefield, they either 1. Sacrifice gameplay for details- BFV 2. Sacrifice detail for gameplay- BF4 And with COD they either 1. Make the worst fucking game you have ever seen- Vanguard 2. Or They pump out a stunning masterpiece I feel like BF1 and COD: MW19 are they best of the 2 franchises

[@DerpyUniverse]

U agree with u on BF1 being the best of the franchise but as good as MW2019 was it still doesn’t top Cod4, mw2 and bo2

[@clank7298]

Take note, we’re comparing two games that have a lot of time apart, not to mention one is brand new and probably has had more work done than the other. I’d say they’re both good in their own ways.

[@davidward3848]

no

[@BuddySpike101]

It’s funny because the one that’s new is the worse one.

[@clank7298]

@@BuddySpike101 I wouldn’t say worse; but I don’t care about COD anymore, last good one for me was Black Ops 2.

[@davidward3848]

@@clank7298 it is. The sounds are ass, the animations are ass. Im not defending bf5. I hate bf5 but holy fuck vanguard is just lazy

[@pihlajafox]

@@davidward3848 I understand that bfV isn't the best game but why everyone hates it? I actually think it's a good multiplayer fps

[@ajirajend584]

If Vanguard is a futuristic ww2 game, it'll be on top. But Vanguard takes place really in ww2

[@jovanlopez5284]

The games just inaccurate

[@91vadel]

M1A1 with a drum magazine? 😱

[@Nottagilla]

Despite people calling Battlefield V dog shit in 2018, honestly I'll have to say that BFV wins in terms of animations, sounds, and even graphics. It's just a shame that it was abandoned after they added the Pacific Update, it had so much potential at that point.

[@modyphantom]

Bfv isn't actually that bad, it's not even bad.

[@Nottagilla]

@@modyphantom Exactly, once you get pass the SJW shit and having no other updates than the Pacific Front, it's actually a good game.

[@WaltherWA-bb2dl]

Pacific update is the update that kept the game alive lol

[@modyphantom]

@@Nottagilla true. Idk why people hated it, because of women ingame? They served in the war but few of em.

[@wisemonke194]

@@WaltherWA-bb2dl yep, I'm sad that they stopped but hopefully BF 2042 makes up for it. It seems like it will with Portal and Hazard Zone

[@taiezer9585]

The sound design is just way more realistic in bf5

[@Spillow-C]

BF5 all the way, it looks and sounds so much better and the non-tactical animations fits better for a WW2 game. And btw and how gun models react to lightining is beyond horrific in Vanguard, 3:16 look the 2 models, lol.

[@Ajay-dy3xw]

BF5: *deafening gunshots* Vanguard: best i can do is pow pow pow drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@ramahikari1014]

Old NEGEV soind in csgo: Are you challenging me?

[@AlessandroVillarrealFiestas]

The worst thing is they got that eco on interiors lmao idk who tf designed the audio

[@Ajay-dy3xw]

@@AlessandroVillarrealFiestas they sound like someone searching through lego bricks.

[@Ajay-dy3xw]

@@Jake-eu6kw Lol, i'm not insulting Vanguard. In fact i actually enjoyed it. Having to mess around with gunsmith is funny as hell.

[@Jake-eu6kw]

@@Ajay-dy3xw Lol sorry for the misunderstanding my fault

[@electrogamingrepublic]

BF5 has good really good and realistic animations. The way the weapons are hold and the recoil works is both satisfying and realistic. *Not to mention the mind blowing and satisfyingly realistic sound effects!* COD V has improved on it's weapon animations and details from the horrendous things they've done in WW2. I'm not complaining. but the sound effects for the weapons are down right bad tbh by todays standard. They all have this fat bass sound effect for all their weapons which shouldn't sound like shooting a firearm. Not much difference in different weapon's sound either. Although it's more on the tactical side of how reloading works, BF5 looks more satisfying in my opinion. It's just my personal preference. The graphics is also much better in BF5 compared to COD V which looks like a game from 2015. Honestly, I'm not expecting much from this COD game and I'm definitely never playing it. I'm waiting for BF2042 instead. The guns themselves are bad, the guns are trash and they look like complete joke. Animation alone won't save your game Activision.

[@raizenlord2169]

You're joking, right?

[@starcypress9664]

@@raizenlord2169 did he stutter?

[@counterman-namreview516]

dude today is 10th Nov already, Vanguard already released almost week ago. Its not in Beta anymore

[@samsim594]

Wdym by "it's the beta ver" for Vanguard? What u seen here is the full game being recently released

[@electrogamingrepublic]

@@samsim594 thanks, didn't really know it was fully released. I overlooked it or perhaps just didn't care to know.

[@Cjnator38]

BF5: smooth and fluid Vanguard: WiGgLe

[@Komyeta]

Jiggling like Jill's Mountains

[@chrislee3720]

@@Komyeta BiG tItTiEs

[@iateyourlizard3497]

Watching the GEWEHR reload animations for BF5 is probably the most satisfying reload animation I’ve ever seen.

[@PlumbCarton5607]

Ikr I sometimes just use it without the mag reload upgrade on purpose for that animation

[@some_random_guy146]

I always loved battlefield for not making there guns so small lmao

[@JV-bj4kx]

Yeah, the Luger looks like a fucking key chain

[@max_-dude1683]

I really wonder what some people in the comments section have consumed to say that vanguard's animations are better. The bfv ones feel more natural to me and I mean, my grandpa didn't really tac reload back then. Also, he wouldn't hold a pistol with both hands, or c-clamp an mp40. Also, the models in bfv are if not perfect, close to perfection. In vanguard, they aren't. I mean, just look at that tiny m1911 or that weird looking m1897 shotgun. If in bfv the models look bigger to you its because there is something called FOV (the camera in this case is closer to the weapon). Also the details like the barrel getting too hot and the character replacing it with a fresh one are insane. And the sound of the weapons? I think theres nothing to discuss here, right? Don't get me wrong cod did a really good job but c'mon dude... Not even close to bfv.

[@FED0RA]

its your opinion but you assume that we have smoked something to say vanguards anims are better? it is inaccurate to ww2 yes but if it wasnt ww2, vanguards anims are gonna be way better.

[@FED0RA]

@Jojo Betzler better LOOKING anims, not better in ACCURACY

[@jaaaaaaaaaaaaaay]

@@FED0RA the vanguard ones feel kind of off tbh, the way the gun wiggles around while he's reloading it is off puting

[@igorislankin6184]

In Call of Duty Vanguard, MP-40 and STG-42 fire rates are shown incorrectly. This is not a Thompson, whose rate of fire varies from 600 to 900 rounds per minute. You can see how the Call of Duty series has degraded.

[@kawa9265]

Thats so much true. Vanguard shows a lot stuff incorrectly. They just make vanguard because they need to realese cod game every year.

[@iMost067]

Should show all 14 reloads of M1 in BF5. There realy no competition for animation quility and quantity with BF, They simply do it even if its not required.

[@Ajay-dy3xw]

Are you really asking for M1's BFV to show for like 2-3 minutes lmao

[@iMost067]

@@Ajay-dy3xw that only fair) also should compare 3rd person Runing animation since we here, none other game had it at bfv

[@killian9314]

Picking an african american skin to use the Trench Shotgun, Class! Reminds me of the Harlem Hellfighters in BF1

[@CesarHernandez-wd4pz]

I know the reloads looks anachronistic, but we have to take in count that we most likely will have Price and/or Woods using these guns.

[@TheFinalOutpost]

BFV had it's controversies, but its weapon models and sounds are far superior than Vanguard's IMO.

[@as0bi]

I like the animations in Vanguard but it’s just weird to see modern tactical reload in a WW2 game.

[@929Finn]

I kinda wish you got the attachments (perks/specializations/etc) for the weapons in both games a lot closer to eachother for a more direct comparison. Maybe same with the lighting on the maps recorded. Still nice work nonetheless

[@fish_birb]

Animations are on par with each other but given how Vanguard reuses the same old dogshit reload sounds of COD WWII irks me so goddam much.

[@Kuraimizu9152]

I'm guessing the first one is Battlefield V and the second is CoD Vanguard... I like the auto ejector animation of the Webley revolver from CoD than BFV, it looks more natural imo

[@bup3493]

1:32 this sound will forever be buried in my brain from the days in which i would squad wipe with this thing

[@sharpkniveinlatvian1746]

Sounds: BFV Animation: Vanguard

[@rambo-cambo3581]

BFV weapon models are better And tacticool reloads don't fit right in WWII game

[@Jake-eu6kw]

@@rambo-cambo3581 You forgot to say that BF is boring

[@idontcare718]

@@Jake-eu6kw And nobody plays that crap

[@FED0RA]

@@rambo-cambo3581 theres a little thing called personal opinions, also i dont think he wasnt talking about the accuracy or the animations, rather how good they look.

[@rambo-cambo3581]

@@Jake-eu6kw nah

[@seal8008]

If you take all of vanguards animations and apply them to mw2019 operators reloading the guns then it fits far better

[@Thomas_Angelo]

Love the smartness of BF reloads.

[@wesleymiles8756]

Alot of Vanguard’s animations feel out of place, but here are some that I think are really good: M1 Garand MP-40 Thompson Double Barrel Combat Shotgun Einhorn Revolving Top Break MG-42 All bolt actions

[@darrengarcia4937]

Huh? The bolt actions all work and sound the same. No grit in the mosin, no cock on close in the Arisaka or SMLE

[@hostilegoat]

Vanguard animations are jarring. They're obviously 21st century weapon manipulation techniques in a 1940's setting and they make no sense. BFV does it better.

[@Shocktop35]

Fun fact about why bfv characters hold guns with only one hand because in real life soldiers were trained to hold guns with one hand. This is yet another detail that vanguard has left out.

[@Freedomlander_101]

What's Up Tigerfield? Also: BF5 gets the upper hand in sound effects

[@Ajay-dy3xw]

DICE actually cared about realism and details. Sledgehammer be like: "eeeeeh, no. just put drum mags in every gun"

[@WaltherWA-bb2dl]

@@Ajay-dy3xw drum

[@CoreRealm]

@@Ajay-dy3xw "realism" I literally just blow up someone and they somehow return like normal after being revived

[@c0rruption775]

@@CoreRealm Ah yes. Getting your arm ripped of by an smg in Vanguard is sooo "realistic"

[@Ajay-dy3xw]

@@CoreRealm Uh, i didn't say in terms of gameplay? Are you okay.

[@OrreFan54]

That BF5 MG42 is just 👌

[@MahoNishizumifrfr]

Stg and mp40 and kar 98

[@cupapi2712]

Ah yes firing panzerfaust on your chest 15:06

[@purpleguy_009sexy_meme_boi2]

Big brain moment

[@czar_fz]

Kinda sad how DICE was already completely capable of making animation work to rival the modern CoD games and literally just didn't for some reason

[@Khalid-pb2ft]

I prefer the animations and tactical reloads in Vanguard, but the guns sound in BF5 is way better.

[@max_-dude1683]

Tac reloads in ww2... Yeah...

[@Khalid-pb2ft]

@@max_-dude1683 it’s a damn game after all who cares

[@carljohnson-fc6el]

@@Khalid-pb2ft they keep saying that too

[@FED0RA]

@@max_-dude1683 im going to find all your comments and explain to you that opinions exist

[@jagger8164]

@@max_-dude1683 cod fans when someone has an Opinion: 😡

[@herrschade3169]

In vanguard, every reload sound is (ar‘s, smg‘s and lmg‘s) is the same. It’s so cheap. Which is pretty weird since the animations are really good.

[@chrisdotdash5154]

Imagine if the level of weapon animation from MW19 or Vanguard was in BFV? That would be so awesome, because BFV had such amazing weapon sounds.

[@ImKent]

Lol no

[@norandomstuff]

Imo i kinda prefer bf5's animations over vanguard and even mw as it feels natural and more realistic because in a real life war, you dont do tacticool reloads all the time in war because youll waste precious time trying to mimic reloads from mw2019 which might leads to death in the battlefield

[@spaceman-pe5je]

@@norandomstuff lol you realize the MW19 reloads are mimicking.... real life operators they worked with during the development. they didn't invent the reloads themselves. of course not every infantry soldier would be using these reloads, but that's why MW19 has the whole thing that everyone is an operator,

[@tsuaririndoku]

Both games can be fantastic, and I’ll never touch the Gunsmith area of Vanguard… I’ll never, ever get into that area, ever again. I’ll gonna use stock weapons, even that cause some disadvantages. It’s too curse to even get onto Gunsmiths….

[@soldier1stclass987]

2010-2018 all magazine are accurately insert with single try

[@navox4658]

Battlefield V focus on WW2 While COD Vanguard only COD MW19 with WW2 skin

[@RaitoYagami88]

The animation quality is good for vanguard but those tactical reloads are very out of place for the 1940s.

[@Shupidesu2307]

Soldiers don’t use two hands for handguns during WW2, that’s why the reload animations seemed more fitting in BFV than Vanguard

[@noobthro5630]

14:53 Cool 15:07 Not cool, but Cursed and Ugly. 🤮

[@bagasangga]

Ah yes, *R E L O A D A B L E P A N Z E R F A U S T*

[@v12ts.gaming]

You should know that a reloadable Panzerfaust prototype do exist called the Pzf 250. It has visual differences, but surely SHG use that variant as a reference to make normal Pzf's reloadable where it shouldn't have been irl.

[@baronfriday989]

I'm surprised Vanguard animated the selector switches.

[@rosaria8384]

Reloading in BFV feels more "natural"; Vanguard is trying too hard to be shaky and modern, especially the two-handed stance. Sounds is where BFV shines - the meatiness and the punch kicks harder than Vanguard did. Details goes to BFV, again. No gunsmith to ruin them (even if there are options for weird muzzles, grips, and aircraft/incompatible sights), and even are detailed down to the ROF and mechanics. Vanguard just says "fuck it" and just slaps about anything.

[@nonoman3246]

Just a redeemer and just calm down about BFV and vanguard they won't be that different since they're both FPS games

[@drakelucian3685]

@@nonoman3246 the fuck?

[@kiloklavdi1185]

@Johannes MMM yes, polymer shotgun shells in WWII settings,M1928 with M1A1 model, comically large Garand rear sight,two handed pistol stance. Perfectly detailed and definitely correct

[@kiloklavdi1185]

@@Jake-eu6kw I was mocking this guy for the so-called details and models he said. Not about the fun

[@capturedsilence]

At 2:28 the vanguard shotgun has two hammers when it fires...

[@phamanhtai2824]

no one: not a single soul: CoD Vanguard: reloadable Panzerfaust

[@rashmikalia1304]

What is that and could you give a timestamp

[@phamanhtai2824]

​@@rashmikalia1304 The Panzerfäust is an anti tank launcher that meant to be single used, which BF5 demonstrates in 14:53 But CoD Vanguard just shoves the reloadable mechanism in a normal Panzerfaust (15:05), this feature was only available in the Panzerfaust 150 which had a pointy head and this was only a prototype, never seen in combat

[@kalebwhitrockdingus]

The combat shotgun in vanguard has two hammers after it's fired .one cocked and the other not

[@takdeorang4394]

Cod:win at reload Bf:win at sound Both win at model (This is my opinion)

[@billythesawlee7097]

Cod should lose at reloads cause they look too 2021

[@furrywolfxfox7948]

@@billythesawlee7097 And the attachments too lol

[@takdeorang4394]

@@billythesawlee7097 only because that?are you dumb

[@billythesawlee7097]

@@takdeorang4394 I can list out more if you want 🤷 But my guess is that you don't know WWII history & fire arms well enough, so you probably won't get it🤔

[@takdeorang4394]

@@furrywolfxfox7948 are you time travel?did you know how attachment look like at ww2

[@lordmilchreis1885]

The thing is with handguns in Vanguard, they're all held wrong, it was common practise, even mandatory to shoot handguns with only 1 hand.

[@FenixOutdoors]

Battlefield 5: amazing gun shots. Me, after playing Vanguard: "Perhaps i treated you too harshly".

[@cloudstrife2025]

Unfortunately we can't say the same about the game itself.

[@jensenthegreen6780]

Vanguard and BFV both had good animation in a different way so i'll put them both. As for sounds, I wont say vanguard is bad, But BFV wins, Battlefield series as a whole is the king (for me) on gun sounds.

[@blobman1238]

Reload animations : cod vanguard Reload sounds : bfv Firing sounds : bfv Models : both Vanguard reloads look really smooth and I like that (except for the stg44), but the only problem is they are the tacticool style of reloads which doesn't really fit WW2. So from a realism perspective BFV has better animations, but I'm going to ignore realism for this and say vanguard is better because they feel very smooth. (This is my opinion btw)

[@CinemaHanwil]

15:06 German Officer: NEIN! You can't reload panzerfaust! It's disposable panzerfaust!

[@rodolfohernandez3303]

Whats with names in COD Vanguard guns Klauser Top Break Itra Burst

[@deutschlipinoblazer3976]

The C96 Carbine in BF5 doesn't even had full-auto selector, even though it is known as "Machine Carbine/Pistol" But there's still a P08 Carbine which is much like a counterpart

[@ToriusHeart]

Trench carbine is not related to M712 in any way other than having a detachable mag and being based on Mauser C96 though. Its just as correct as the P08 carbine.

[@ЛеонидМосковой]

Firstly "machine pistol" is a type of a pistol and secondly the mauser in BF5 is a 1917 Trench carbine and it didn't have a fire selector The C96 that was shown in COD:Vanguard is an M712 mauser pistol and that one had a fire selector please, next time find out which is which and then write commentaries like that

[@ToriusHeart]

@@ЛеонидМосковой its not really a m712 since it doesnt have an actual fire selector on the model (yet again, i should note, thanks shg)

[@ЛеонидМосковой]

@@ToriusHeart didn't notice that

[@Stefan-Astro-Art]

Details, reloading and sound in bf5 is much better. Even you hear the echo. And even in bf5 the type 11, you see the clips are falling out and in vanguard not?? Not correct

[@smileydastronkcat3826]

BF5:oh this panzerfaust is not useable YEET Vanguard:*casually reload panzerfaust *

[@brucestevenson1006]

CoD never beats Battlefield! BF always have better sound, graphics textures and realod animations!

[@jeremiahooms4716]

NOOO MUH CALL OF DUTY RELOAD ANIMATIONS ARE MORE FLUID! WAAAAAH!

[@atfyoutubedivision955]

Debateable, debateable, and true enough.

[@juanagonzalez5751]

Sound is better in BFV, but everything else is up for debate

[@rashmikalia1304]

@@juanagonzalez5751 bfv has much better graphics than vanguard

[@JV-bj4kx]

@@jeremiahooms4716 In cods there arent any levelutions or even crates left by explosives, how do you think it beats Bf

[@johannesclips1685]

the vanguard reloads are very well animated but damn does it feel weird to see tactical reloads and retention reloads in a world war 2 setting. battlefield V's guns look alright but theres something off with the hand on most of the models

[@thefreelancer6958]

Battlefield 5 smashes vanguard

[@joacot0487]

In 2:29 you can see that the hammer on the shotgun just duplicates in vanguard, that’s messed up

[@Wind2000channel]

it is a pity that there were no Soviet troops and weapons in Battlefield 5 :(

[@CoreRealm]

There is one but it's not even a rifle

[@CoreRealm]

It's a type of grenade rifle

[@bro3217]

The eastern front has been done to death already. World War 2 isn't just the red army vs the germans.

[@CoreRealm]

@@bro3217 and its also not just Britain vs Germany, USA vs Japan

[@bro3217]

@@CoreRealm what you just describes was multiple armies in multiple fronts all over the world. Not one front between 2 countries. And yes, most of the war was in fact the eastern front, the western front, the pacific and the Mediterranean/North Africa.

[@DerpyUniverse]

The reason vanguards reloads are so modern is because it’s just copy pasted from Modern Warfare 2019