Tim Lerch - Breaking Out Of the Cage (Getting more out of the CAGED system)

[@JaffaRoad]

Intermediate and advanced guitar players can study Tim’s videos to not only get better at playing guitar but also to get better at teaching guitar, this is great on both counts.

[@shallyshal1]

So my wife listened as I played this video. She said, it made sense to her There you go. My wife is Always right And I told her you are a great teacher Thanks so much, Shally

[@niklet805]

Great new perspective on the CAGED system. Thanks.

[@holierthan]

I wasn’t ready to be this impressed. It opened my eyes.

[@lucienne66]

Tim did a great job of keeping it simple, but in case anyone’s interested: The R35R shape can also be transformed into other very common chords by moving the 5 up to 6, b7, and 7 (and moving the 3 to b3 for the minor versions). And also moving the top R up to b9, 9, and #9.

[@morganrussell6335]

As a caged user for a year or so I was consistently taking time to think: where is the 5th in my C shape, or where is the third in my A shape, etc. This has completely removed an extra mental step, I feel like I’ve cut out the middleman, thanks Tim! -Signed, a perpetual novice (who maybe just moved up a step or so…)

[@MetaphysicalMusician]

Morgan ?...Sax player

[@jonathanavery7583]

I needed this. This one is probably a lightbulb moment. Awesome Tim, thank you.

[@erlingwesth7055]

Hi Tim, thanks for an inspiring lesson. Although I have played for more than 65 years you still keep opening my eyes and ears. That is teaching!

[@7775Kevin]

As a long-time player who learned the CAGED system a long time ago I think your way of thinking about it makes a lot of sense and it’s the way I will look at it from now on. Thanks for yet another very helpful video.

[@eggmarket]

The epitome of caged system lessons!! Thank you for sharing. This is going to become the video I send people too when I get questions about the caged system and how to really utilize it

[@robertmercure1740]

Tais si the best way to learn chords ❤️🙏🙋🏼‍♂️🇨🇦

[@johnhigney5640]

This is great, Tim! I made a handout for my students about 20 years ago that was very similar to your approach. I reduced everything to root, octave of root (to be dropped as you did), and third (major or minor). The other CAGED chord members were implied but still important to the concept. I did this with roots on strings 6, 5, 4, and 3. All chords are in root position, of course, but it generates usable voicings quickly and gets students thinking about the location of chord tones in a practical way. Inversions become much easier to deal with once they work through the whole handout. I dealt with aug and dim chords, etc. separately. Thanks for the vid!

[@seanmarshallmusic]

This is a really essential theoretical companion to the CAGED system, especially if players want to truly know all the intervals they are fretting as they go across the fretboard, which is inarguably integral to playing better guitar.

[@j.rozman7016]

Tim, great approach. Where to get paper on this topic? :) Cheers!

[@RossHelmot]

Thanks Tim, you've mentioned this to me before...I mustn't have been paying attention or asking the right questions. I get your point now...It's really simple and makes a lot of sense to approach things this way. Thanks again.

[@To.Si.Ma.]

Hey Tim thanx for all the videos!

[@petercook3911]

This is brilliant, thank you Tim! It's really useful knowing that the E, A and D are, in effect, the same. They're all 1,5,1,3 but with the root on the E, A and D strings respectively. And the G and C are also the same as they're both 1,3,5,1 but with the root on the E and A strings respectively. This feels much more logical and simple to me. Thanks again!

[@captainkangaroo4301]

The Nashville numbering system allows for a great deal of freedom. But it is easy to get stuck in a rut. I spent about 2 years stuck in the BB box.

[@emlyngriffith5846]

I’ve never used the “CAGED “ system and I can see why using the numbers makes more sense. Great lesson 👍🍷

[@mauricerandell8119]

A viewpoint only reveals part of the landscape until you gain some elevation. You’ve found some high ground here that could open up vistas. Thankyou.

[@DodgeDartSongs]

Tim, that is a much more practical way of looking at the chord--shape-based approach to guitar. Very smart, and thank you!

[@Sammywhat]

Ooooo!! I'll be chewing on this one for a while. Thank you, Tim!!

[@BrentStuder]

Thank you, Tim. I always appreciate seeing the big picture when learning and your approach and examples help so much. Other lessons on the CAGED system I've tried haven't impressed the intervallic shapes enough and left me feeling I'm missing something. You showed me I was, but now I get it. I still have a lot to learn, but you've helped fill some of the missing parts of the big picture for me.

[@guitarhans]

Good lesson. I learned the caged as a teenager, just by exploring the fretboard. Never thought about it as a system.

[@pyannaguy4361]

Just subscribed, &, as a piano player who doubles on guitar (& other things), May I just add & break it down even further? YES! Think more NUMBERS...less LETTERS! It's why it's valuable to use terms like the I-IV-V or ii-V progression - 'cause it's easier to have that template to throw over the neck OR keyboard instead of lugging around TWELVE sets of LETTERS! ...It's loosely the same principle @ work & why this is a valuable 10+ minutes!

[@RockYourTeeth]

I also like calling it "fifth string root with first finger" (A shape in caged), or "sixth string root on fourth finger" (G shape in caged). Saw that in a book somewhere.

[@rudivorster4442]

Brilliant! Thanks Tim

[@3cardmonty602]

Tim - I miss your Tele’s. I love P90’s, but that neck pickup on a Tele is so sweet.

[@TimLerchGuitar]

Thanks, I posted this a few days ago, she’s still going strong. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqjJYnV8a8d5Zpo

[@kennvillegas2014]

Loving This. I am an (old) intermediate student and I really dig learning new ways to dig deeper into these intervals and scales. Like literally old school as like pick a key (or number) at random and drill the different modes for 15 minutes before real practice starts.

[@dkwvt13]

I've never had a problem unsticking the chord names in the caged system however... This is more fuel to the fire of how useful it is to understand the intervallic relationships and what you can build out of them. Really fascinating material here and 2 dogears to boot...! Thank You...! B-)

[@georgechristiansen6785]

You are nailing in just the first moments of this video what I have actually been working on myself to tweak CAGED: I hate the extra layer of translation of calling an F an E shape, ect and I hate that we lazy guitarist don't learn the intervalic happenings in chords, which is one of the things that make the gulf between lead and comping so difficult for may. Then there is the impossibility of playing some of those chords as barres, which has me considering narrowing things to 3 shapes/positions.

[@kathleenhutton1566]

There's no"Easy Way"!But to be honest if it wasn't for music theory(and obviously practising)I wouldn't have anything to think about,that meant anything worthwhile(for me)

[@stevespayde7469]

Tim,you are a great player and teacher with humility...win-win-win.Appreciate all your videos!

[@paulbrown7775]

Calling the notes by their numbers (1-5-3-1 etc) makes it easier to find where you want to land on a solo whatever key you're in.

[@christophervolas7523]

your welcome Tim Ive enjoyed trying to learn from your videos and be entertained, Im wanting to get some courses from you here soon, I need to set up a pay pal account or figure out how i can order safely online.

[@Rampersand]

Tim, I've been playing guitar for more years than I want to admit, looked at all kinds of methods for understanding chords, and never saw how simple this view is! When conditions are right, things reveal themselves, right? But THANKS for delivering this one!

[@danobrien9925]

Great teacher

[@RockYourTeeth]

I learned using caged, and I agree that it's confusing to say "I'm playing A with the C shape". But I still think it's a useful tool to learn with, then discard once you've mastered the concept.

[@hermannpallasch2153]

I'd call that shape 'the left-hand side major chord with the root on the fifth string (the related right-hsnd side chord would be the' A shape', also major, from the same root on the fifth string.

[@DLee1100s]

Jimmy Bruno also has a different naming system for the CAGED shapes. Although he is thinking scales not chords. It's based on which finger is on the root and which string the root is on. So he would call the C shape a 4/5 and the E shape a 2/6 etc. I feel your system is way better as it has functional meaning.

[@imannonymous7707]

useful and thoughtful knowledge that is invaluable

[@Mike-rw2nh]

Hi Tim, Having learned the basic CAGED system, I’ll use your approach for learning triad inversions. It makes more sense this way. Stellar content good sir. Thank you.

[@lancerigby3662]

Makes a ton of sense. Thank you!

[@eldonwatkins2066]

This is revelatory and I have a music degree… why did I not learn this way to begin with?!?!?!?

[@SinnGread]

this was awesome, could you also do a whole video on using shell chords?

[@portsideguitar1981]

Interesting and valuable stuff Tim! Thanks so much for this.

[@brianr1615]

I've never understood why people consider caged a "system", e.g., if you have a D major shape, then move it up two frets, it becomes an E major shape. That's how the guitar works, and you don't need a system to understand it. Nonetheless, Tim does an excellent job of helpfully, and politely, pointing out a better way to look at things.

[@MatthewSpringer]

BTW, Tim your triads course is absolutely fantastic.

[@ohpotatoesandmolasses]

This is excellent -- thank you!

[@jazzflounder67]

thanks Tim!

[@adityanemlekar]

Thanks!

[@TimLerchGuitar]

thank you

[@audiquattros6]

great lesson

[@TheLiam85]

Nice guitar!

[@timsmith190]

I've heard it said that it is also important (perhaps equally so) to know the note names and their position on the fretboard. I seem to find the invervals more useful for the reasons you mention. When and where do you think knowledge of the note names is needed/useful? (not a trick question and I'm not trying to start a debate; just want your opinion, which I value)

[@TimLerchGuitar]

I think knowing the names of the notes is very important, not as a system but just basic knowledge of the instrument. The moveable nature of the interval system needs knowledge of note location to make it work.

[@garybrotman4734]

Nice Tim, they do sound like songs The Beatles. George Harrison style, Great Guitar, Gary.

[@VitalBigras]

Great lesson! And by the way, your channel "Solo guitar sensei” is fantastic !!!

[@TimLerchGuitar]

Thank you.

[@bernardparent8340]

Hi Tim, a side note about tuning: James Taylor uses a temperate tuning : I.E. -3 -7 -4 -8 -10 -12 cents from highE to Low . Is it only for acoustic guitar where the strings are rather high from the neck ? Maybe not so useful for an electric.any advice? Take good care, best regards , Bernard.

[@freddymclain4955]

down here in Texis we call that 'lawyer wood.' Hope they're giving you that guitar and labeling it the Tim Lerch model.

[@Digitalpapii]

wheres texis? 😝

[@Squid3d]

@@Digitalpapii it's in the desart. if you've never been, you've never livid :)

[@freddymclain4955]

@@Digitalpapii starts at the Canadian border and runs down to Mexico.

[@CBGypsy03]

I think you just really want an I30lc...haha

[@freddymclain4955]

@@CBGypsy03 No, I'd buy an Eastman T-64... sound great, plays great, and affordable

[@MetaphysicalMusician]

Hey Tim where's the arppeggios lesson..that you mention ..can't find it

[@TimLerchGuitar]

I’ll have to finally make it I guess :)

[@allkj123]

🤯

[@newgunguy4176]

Who invented the CAGED system?

[@TimLerchGuitar]

Some dude named Nicholas I think 😃

[@newgunguy4176]

@@TimLerchGuitar 🤣🤣🤣

[@joelvalade9377]

Commentaire référencement. Merci. And sorry if i speak french, i have nothing interesting to say here, except to keep the algorithm working for you.

[@Squid3d]

first and yet last. seems i have work to do :

[@robgarrett3216]

Much better explanation of caged system....intervals create chords so why not understand them that way instead of generic open position chord names/shapes?? I get the original idea makes it easier to grasp initially, but its a slower road to understanding those positions from an intervallic standpoint! Great lesson...thank you

[@MetaphysicalMusician]

Great lesson