Tim Minchin and Richard Dawkins in Conversation

[@traffic-law]

Being a Dawkins fan, it was only via this video that I properly discovered the depth of Minchin. So I went on to see what the fuss was about. I now can't go single day without watching Minchin on youtube. Half of his views are probably from me. What an absolute legend.

[@chriskelly3481]

You lucky bugga! 😁👍

[@maryfitzpatrick3252]

Constantly roam KZbin daily for Tim. Fan for 17 years. Am 74. He rewinds my mood every time. 🇺🇸

[@cathismith2624]

As an Aussie muso, I've followed Tim since he was trying to break the mould over here...... He's got so much talent, and is such a deep thinker !

[@extramedium1]

@@maryfitzpatrick3252Mary, you are a cool lady and I like your taste.

[@maryfitzpatrick3252]

@@extramedium1 🥳

[@crepequeen643]

He broke bread with Dawkins instead of Desmond Tutu to be honest

[@joannabenson2279]

My son introduced me to White wine in the sun a few Christmases ago. It makes me cry every time I hear it. I've always taken against Christmas but every year we do a big family meal and they all love it. This song has made me realise how important our contribution is to our family and although we're not usually drinking white wine in the sun in south Devon in December, my adult children call our home their happy place and they know that wherever they are in the world, we will always be there.

[@nzkiwiange]

Aeroplane especially the version with Asmara Feik makes me cry my heart out big time, reminds me of my Late Mother 🥺

[@trashleigh87]

I love how Tim's a perfect mix of ultra-intelligent creative and down to earth self-deprecating Aussie.

[@jamesedmonds7519]

Tim Minchin is such a profoundly beautiful human being. His stand-up was life changing for 17 year old me. I had never really had access to intellectual thoughts and opinions that matched my own. My circle of friends at the time were more interested in drugs and alcohol than learning about this beautiful (and sometimes appalling) world we live on. Who knows where my life would be without the epiphany this brilliant comedian (plus everything else he has done) gave me. My entire life revolves around science, my work at a medical practice and my hobby as an amateur entomologist and I don't think I would be here without hearing Tim Minchin some 15 years ago, I bought that DVD impulsively, I had seen him do a 5 minute set on TV once, one of the best decisions I've ever made. He's a glorious man, a global treasure who deserves to be adored by everyone.

[@leeclarke4947]

I don't have a scientific background or even an academic background. I stumbled on this by watching Tim's previous concerts as I love his lyrics, voice and music. Congratulations. Why didn't this make news in Australia. What an award. What an Australian and what a great human. Well done you!

[@KickassUncle]

Get over the fact that his mother gave birth to him in Australia.

[@tzensunn]

@@KickassUncle First, this is not true (he is said to be UK-born), and second, being a graduate from a country is so much more than just being born there. You get formed by the country's narratives, its culture and all the stuff. Why would you take from people the joy of sharing the culture code with a great person.

[@plaguedoct0r]

Congratulations Tim, well deserved award.

[@kiwifeijoa]

I enjoyed hearing the maturity and broadness of view of all these speakers. Also that Tim Minchin doesn't see any need to be defined by his earlier creations, noticing that they were created in a certain time of his life. It made me consider that, when listening to someone, we can think about what time or stage of life that person is in, or even the time of life society was in. Worth watching.

[@Wertbag99]

I'm just disappointed that we don't have a video of Tim, Richard and Steven Fry having a round table discussion over dinner. That sounds like a really interesting meeting of minds.

[@PetroicaRodinogaster264]

Fry would have hogged the conversation

[@ash1983]

And Ricky Gervais!

[@EchoBravo370]

As a person who was raised in a religious atmosphere, being able to witness the thought processes of men such and these has been an incredible gift to my jour ey over the past few years. Thank you for your soundness and clarity of mind, as well as your dedication to truth.

[@chriswhitt6618]

Best comment I’ve read for a long time. Bravo sir.

[@Ozone280]

And the laughs!

[@whatabouttheearth]

Oh...check out Christopher Hitchens and Aron Ra

[@EchoBravo370]

@@chriswhitt6618 Madam, but no worries, mate.

[@chriswhitt6618]

@@whatabouttheearth agreed

[@13thAMG]

Massive fan of Tim, Australia's most articulate ambassador of what it's like to be truly educated, academically reasoned and fucking funny all at once. He embodies fact like Spacetime embodies our very existence. Such talent and an amazing example of atheism in humility.

[@paintedwings74]

I absolutely love how genuine and REAL Minchin is. He's a great counterpoint to Dawkins, who has a privileged professorial viewpoint that allows him to be more unthinkingly cruel, dismissive (I am not actually judging him; no one can escape their own experiences). Minchin is more emotionally aware of the impact of his words on the person right in front of him, and his allegiance is to "making people happy." Dawkins' allegiance is to the harsh light of truth. We need BOTH.

[@stevenaustin8274]

Tim is the hippy atheist ! but i dont understand what you mean about a privileged professional viewpoint regarding Dawkins makes no sense to me ! of course they come from different generations which can lead to different approaches and viewpoints but in no way is Dawkins cruel or dismissive he just seeks the truth and speaks plainly as he finds it no more and no less

[@mnewm21]

@@stevenaustin8274 I think it is the different method chosen for delivery of ideas. Tim is more conversational in his delivery whereas Dawkins is more authoritative in his. Tim is witty Dawkins is dry. Tim comes from an entertainment point of view, Dawkins is used to lecturing. They have different ways of delivering information and for some Dawkins is hard to consume and for others Tim is easily dismissed. Both are perfectly valid and luckily both are very intelligent human beings with interesting things to say 😁

[@tonyclif1]

Tim started off by showing what a good bloke he is, with a very simple act.... at an event about him, his first act was to pour glasses of water for everyone on stage. A humble genius!

[@littleelsematters-vd6wj]

but then he might have been quite thirsty, and it would have looked pretty bad, if he had just filled his own glass and left the other two empty, wouldn't it?

[@tonyclif1]

@@littleelsematters-vd6wj he generally has a reputation for simply being a nice bloke.

[@watts1012]

I cannot adequately express the level of enjoyment I get from Tim’s work. He is deserving of the accolades. I’m surprised and a little saddened (maybe even a little offended) they didn’t bring up his song “If I didn’t have you”.

[@markgigiel2722]

I'm a huge fan of Tim and Richard. This was great.

[@ironassbrown]

I found Richard's introduction of Tim very touching, brought a bit of a tear to my eye.

[@sweetsyerra]

I wouldn't know who Tim Minchin was without the internet, so there's that. There are sparkles of gold that come out of all that dirt. "You take the good, you take the bad, you take them all, and there you have ... the Internet ... the Internet!" 🎶

[@time4sanity]

Had never heard of Tim Minchin (huge fan of Richard), so I'm very happy this popped up on my feed. Tim just got a new fan!

[@stambo1983]

Oh you have an amazing rabbit hole to follow.

[@ozbrizzie8869]

Watch all of his utube comedic videos. He is awesome.

[@timmyeff6792]

Oh and Tim is a true genius!!

[@chriscoffee9070]

It's so good to see Dawkins seemingly firing strongly and smoothly on all cylinders again, I was a little worried last year. Well deserved recognition for Minchin.

[@jamesfurz7406]

What a bunch of spot on human beings! If 10 % of the world could be like them we could change the place for the better!

[@wendycohen9038]

It's such a privilege to listen to these folks. Like taking a shower in intelligence.

[@SylvainDuford]

Tim has been a hero of mine ever since I first heard "Storm". Absoluetly brilliant.

[@charliegunningham6259]

Love Minchin and Dawkins, and glad to say I will see Richard live in Perth in a few months time. Have been blessed to see Minchin perform live 3 times. Fills my heart and soul, both.

[@allenrhys844]

What a treat. I happened on this and stayed up way too late 'filling my spiritual cup' into the wee hours.

[@trippedmind]

I can not find someone more worth of this recognition than Tim. Kudos.

[@BrianBattles]

I've played White Wine In The Sun on my radio show every year ever since it was released. My favorite Christmas song.

[@Gottenhimfella]

I hope the sauvignon blanc of which he speaks is from across the Tazzie, not from Ozzie. Not that im a fan of sb, but even I can tell that the ocker stuff doesn't compare.

[@elizabethtout7163]

@@Gottenhimfella So you think “Tazzie” isn’t part of “Ozzie”?

[@Gottenhimfella]

@@elizabethtout7163 I wrote "across THE Tazzie", not "across IN Tazzie"

[@elizabethtout7163]

@@Gottenhimfella I guess I was just confused by your prolific use of zeds. Anyway, we may agree that Sauvignon Blanc is the fruit salad of wines wherever it’s grown, no?

[@therealzilch]

Two of my favorite minds. Wonderful and well deserved, Tim.

[@robinbeers6689]

Two of my all time favorite people, Dawkins and Minchin, on the same stage at the same time. I never thought this would happen but I'm glad it did.

[@ediej9975]

As a Sri Lankan born atheist now living in Australia I want to answer the question Richard Dawkins asked about why religion is still very strong in Asian countries. I believe it is because of poverty and low levels of education. Most charities in these countries are owned by religious organisations hence people feel grateful for their help and believe it is help coming from god. My mother-in-law who was once in a religious-based hospital said they will do the right thing because it is a Christian hospital. In Sri Lanka they don't teach critical thinking skills and questioning is frowned upon. If you don't believe in God or do not go to church they will ostracise you. There is pressure from family and friends to stay religious and we are always reminded that not going to church will land us in hell. Ayaan said how women in Islamic countries are constantly reminded to follow the teachings of Islam. Well, it is the same in most Asian countries. As long as poverty and low levels of education exist religion will exist in these countries. Religious leaders are also highly influential so politicians will not challenge them.

[@RickReasonnz]

I dare say you may just have answered your own question. There is a lot of power behind the religious when it comes to those who are forced to depend on them.

[@drabbit61]

Yes. education= wealth gives us freedom of ....thought, time to think. As an ex Tasmanian, 25 yrs in Asia....it is nice that we can connect, along with these wonderful guys. Thx

[@T0ASTYC0ASTY]

Answered own question? Wasn't this entire comment supposed to be answering a question posed in the video, not a question about the video. So yes they answered the question because the comment is supposed to be an answer.​@@RickReasonnz

[@trocarcat]

Dawkins and Minchin, two of my favorite humans, ever...

[@jeremykothe2847]

Incredibly how attentive Richard was to Tim. Obvious respect both ways.

[@LukeNewcomb]

I haven't heard of Tim before, but listening to them both talk I think I rather like his ideas and I'm grateful that I was able to watch this to know of him

[@ginamcdonald7854]

You should find Tim’s videos on KZbin! I now have to watch a couple of videos everyday. It definitely helps to laugh during these trying times!

[@wombats5128]

Be careful because once you start on the Tim adventure it’s nearly impossible to stop. Saying that , it’s so worth it . Enjoy the journey

[@laurajarrell6187]

I was a Dawkins fan from my first forays on KZbin quite a long time ago. I've never been on any other platform. Tim Minchin, again, from early on, he's amazed me! Excellent talk. Well deserved award. And the questioner did great! 👍🥰💝✌

[@doneestoner9945]

I love love love Tim Minchin 💜

[@jamesguenther2927]

The volume needs a boost

[@RLeaguer_Saint]

This was really wonderful: two individuals who have contributed enormously, in such different ways, to a scientific, rationality-based, empirical, secular approach to life, and whose output I have consumed repeatedly over many years. What a treat to see one reward the other! Tim finally got his wish that he'd "rather break bread with Dawkins than with Tutu to be honest"! It's interesting to hear the evolution of Tim's perspective: he's clearly of the same views and intentions, but it's clear he's increasingly uncomfortable in today's socially complex environment with the legacy of material that will make some see him negatively, which he clearly and reasonably struggles with, and wants to have a positive impact, not just on how people think, but also how they feel irrespective of how they think. His comment that he hasn't written material like 'Thank you God' for over 10 years, and that this was ok for a particular time in his life but that it's no longer appropriate at 46, was an interesting and understandable distancing, but sat next to Richard, who has done this relentlessly over a lifetime, was perhaps an awkward juxtaposition. I don't blame Tim, and the two are living through different eras, and have had to manage their different 'circles of influence" through different vehicles, which requires different approaches, I just feel it is sad when, in today's social tinderbox climate, someone like Tim appears to have to apologise for his perspective, and hope it doesn't change his phenomenal output. We stifle such creative geniuses at our collective peril. Anyway, it made him no less deserving a recipient of the CFI award, and I can think of no worthier person, and am happy to just have any opportunity for him to express his fascinating and thoughtful perspectives, in his wonderfully witty, affable, self-deprecating style Congratulations Tim - looking forward to your next creative output, whatever that is.

[@2fast2block]

Only losers like you share that lie. Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing." Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.

[@frogsong100]

@@2fast2block - How do you like being trolled?

[@2fast2block]

@@frogsong100 was this a private video? No. It's just that you losers love your comfy group as you ignore evidence. I'm here to crash your loser party.

[@bonkerz7997]

@@2fast2block religious nut

[@frogsong100]

@@2fast2block - What is the name of your creator God?

[@ssgtmole8610]

Great program, but as someone in their 60s with failing hearing, I find the volume of this upload to be too low. 🙃

[@highbaritone]

You can’t turn it up enough. Try earphones, I’m having no trouble on my phone.

[@ssgtmole8610]

@@highbaritone I'm on headphones that are cranked to their maximum volume.

[@FakingANerve]

@@ssgtmole8610 It isn't just you. The volume is indeed low.

[@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself]

As someone whose ear drums have been shredded by too many loud heavy metal concerts, I agree.

[@leona5581]

As a 25 y/o with hopefully still healthy ears and earphones, I still find this a bit too low as well. Can’t listen to it when on the tube bc the background noises easily drown it out.

[@colmastro4373]

FINALY!!!! I've been waiting for this to be open to public viewing since the award a couple months ago. Also, i've had "white wine in the sun" on repeat this Christmas. Tim is a GENIUS!

[@2fast2block]

No, Tim is a loser like Dawkins. Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing." Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.

[@colmastro4373]

@@2fast2block but makes sense that your sky wizard came from nothing huh? Seek help champ, you clearly have many issues.

[@franitafranita]

@@2fast2block 🧀 more 🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀

[@2fast2block]

@@colmastro4373 you are a graduate of Loser University. All you have to do is remember "Who created God?" and you can mix things up a bit with the same basic question. All the laws of nature somehow suddenly disappear for you losers, that one STU--P1D question is your cure-all. So in your way of shallow thinking, if a supernatural creator created the natural realm, then that supernatural creator who created the natural realm with its natural laws has then become also bound by those natural laws the supernatural creator created. So explain why a supernatural creator is also bound by the laws the supernatural creator created. Or, show how smart you are and just give your science for creation happening naturally and don't forget to give your science how the natural laws were created, too. If you want to act smart, it may be a good idea to actually show you are.

[@frogsong100]

@@2fast2block - Here you rave on about the God creator, and that is what I care about. Is the Bible your holy book?

[@lauraw.7008]

"Love without evidence is STALKING" LOL - so good.

[@MilesDavisKDAB]

I didn't think I could like or respect Tim more...oh how wrong I was. I'd love to spend a weekend just chilling and talking to him.

[@melanielewis-flegal4910]

I am a huge fan of Tim Minchin... his music, acting, songwriting etc. To hear him speak on an intellectual level is just as wonderful and for some reason, he makes me wish I was Australian....lol. Congratulations Tim !

[@wombats5128]

So proud of Tim he is a great example to everyone to never give up your dreams. If you work hard , believe in yourself you can be successful. Tim is a legend

[@MedusaEcho]

I absolutely love TM and how he merges poetry, music, comedy into this extraordinary art performance! To articulate himself without compromising a single form is his most powerful skill/tool! Whenever he starts his performance, for me, as I start concentrating on the narrative his use of the music in the background it almost feels as if I'm under some kind of a spell....ironically. He's such a brilliant pianist who is not only using music as a background/stage/performance side effect but his music is integral part of the delivery as he actually uses music to play with viewers cognitive processing. Music in his performances different roles and only if we listen Tim without music it shows how much he's using psychology and is taking viewers through the experience that reveal how masses have been manipulated, controlled and captured by the religious and any other ideological ideaz. I am starting a Cambridge postgraduate teaching English program in January and I can't wait to start teaching topics where using TM material is appropriate to use to help students understand English grammar and literacy! Apart from TM rap music is another from that is perfect for teaching English to foreigners! In addition to being very useful to teach different aspects of the grammar I have experienced a huge shift in students motivation to learn. Not only that it stimulates students to be more engaging during a lesson but their motivation shifts from only trying to pass that requirement but many students delve deeper and start coming up with their own ideas, bring rap songs of their own choosing as an example of how it might be applied to the study of language. Tim's performance of Prejudice is one of my favourite examples!

[@LastUserNameChoice]

I found Tim some six months ago, Dawkins way back when. Both are awesome.

[@silverfish8059]

Simply wonderful!

[@linmonash1244]

So many brilliant insights. As a mental health clinician the perspectives about the benefits and harms of internet use / misuse and the Circle of Concern discussion was particularly relevant to both my own interest & to my work. I have had recent discussions with Secondary schools educators who are trying to formulate training modules tailored to topics surrounding safe internet use for teens. My own view is that this should start way earlier, in Primary schools, however, now I want to bring this more broadly centered within the information saturation immobilisation framework . So thank you for that. The other thing that really hits hard - right now - is the international reactions to the War in Ukraine and the selective "Outrage Flagging" through "Likes" attached to various forms of coverage - which give people a sense of 'agency' when in fact Nothing has translated into mobilisation to action.

[@krisbest6405]

Also remind students there are health issues with overuse. L,m suffering by really sore neck for a month with 8hrs of utube per day.

[@sabinee731]

Thanks for that. I am a Minchin-Fan and I really enjoy watching this.

[@jeffmccloud905]

love Tim. saw him live at one of his first live shows in the US, in Providence, RI. still hope to see Dawkins one day

[@NorsePJ]

Why was it recorded at such a low volume? I needed to turn it all the way up for it to be at a proper level. Lucky there were no commercials as one would have jumped out of one's skin.

[@trinacairns9509]

Spot on, Tim - you are freaking awesome! Congrats! 🧡🥳

[@chriscoffee9070]

The scientific method is also the process by which a sound engineer might get the levels right.

[@jeffwatkins352]

I had no idea! All I knew of Minchin before this were the comedy routines of his posted on youtube which were funny, odd, and quirky, but gave me no real idea of what a profound thinker he is. If it's any consolation, Mr. M., the Internet has at least introduced me to you!

[@jackwhitbread4583]

His comedy should have been a clue to his intellect many of his comedy songs have very clear message and contain complicated language showing how verbose he is. He was privately educated and comes from an intellectual family

[@OldFliersGroup]

Richard and Tim. Wonderful way to examine your beliefs!

[@franitafranita]

Thank You so much for uploading this .

[@2fast2block]

Two losers got together, no big deal. Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing." Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.

[@frogsong100]

@@2fast2block - You, 2block, are like any of several clumsy, flightless, extinct birds of the genera Raphus and Pezophaps, related to pigeons but about the size of a turkey, formerly inhabiting the islands of Mauritius, Réunion, and Rodriguez.

[@kernelsmith]

I wish this conversation went on for several more hours

[@annford6640]

Growth matters~~ Thank you Dr. Dawkins. Thank you Tim. I plan to work on prioritizing my "circle of concern" as vehemently as otherwise... and at the very least, striking a more accurate balance. Looking forward to Dr. Dawkins' current writing endeavors. The comment regarding camouflage was, as usual, staggeringly thought-provoking. --Love from the Midwest, US.

[@2fast2block]

Ann, it's your choice to follow the path of those two losers. Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing." Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.

[@emilyjeffery2082]

@@2fast2block so sad that someone would call this genius man Richard Dawkins a loser, sad sad sad, listen to science , read read

[@freddan6fly]

@@2fast2block reported for spam.

[@anthonycraddock6739]

@@2fast2block being a troll loses hands down

[@2fast2block]

@@freddan6fly yes, when losers are stuck and shown what losers they love to be, you report them. How dare I show truth.

[@markgigiel2722]

Tim is kind of past all those old songs already. But, I would love a few more. They made me laugh hysterically.

[@jackwhitbread4583]

Not going to happen, he is retired for comedy and has been for more than a decade

[@FakingANerve]

Damn... what a wildly worthwhile conversation! Thanks for the upload. Cheers. 🍻

[@rfresa]

It's really interesting to hear these three discuss the differences in religious skepticism and politics in Australia, America, and Europe.

[@TheJamesRedwood]

Skip to 8:00 for the competent speakers

[@godamid4889]

I was and am with Tim, George Pell is a monster - and so are his supporters.

[@annanovitskaya4432]

Thank you for the upload!

[@tmntrpntl]

I really wished for a recreation of the end of "Mitsubishi Colt" as soon as David asked about Tim's inspirations.

[@kymfortescue6737]

I'm an Australian who lived 30 years overseas. Coming back recently I have to say that it's not as "secular" as I remember. I see dangerous comparisons with the US. Even in Australia, the institutions and the real power houses are wrapped up in religion and the Facilitator's comments on retention of privilege in the US are also at play in Australia. It's scary.

[@digigalbytes2445]

Hopefully now that we’ve kicked the happy clappy Xtian marketing guy out of Kirribilli, we can move in the right direction again. (Fingers crossed!)

[@absofjelly]

I haven't noticed any real change.

[@MrNeilandrew]

Richard Dawkins and Tim Minchin together! There is a God!! Oh wait a minute…

[@robertbritt6134]

You gave me a giggle there! 😂

[@freethinker--]

All human are free to eat the apple of knowledge (Wikipedia) So 🖕 god.... or should I say his inventors.

[@chriskelly3481]

"The bard from down under" I like that.❤

[@MilesDavisKDAB]

Saw Tim in Edinburgh in November, lovely intelligent man. Dawkins = legend. Read the selfish gene at high school and loved the man ever since. Thanks for the upload.

[@OghamTheBold]

My brother is now in Great Scotland 666 miles from Prince Andrew's morally bankrupt London

[@educationrepublic9273]

"The Bard from Down Under" - what an honour! Indeed he is. We love him

[@educationrepublic9273]

I also agree with King Timothy the 1st: decentralisation is the key.

[@martinmills135]

23:33 to skip to discussion

[@victoriagolmehdi8506]

Tim is Australia's treasure. Take care of him.

[@Gen.Rocker]

Too bad about the audio. Thanks for posting this recording.

[@neorich59]

Wow. Amazing, a long time fan of Dawkins. I know little about Tim Minchin, but I did download "Cardinal Pell" a few years back and have it on my playlist often. It's like a direct line from piano men (and women) like Sedaka, Gilbert O'Sullivan, Billy Joel, Elton John and Carole King with some biting satire thrown in. Love it. But, after hearing this fascinating insight, I'll definitely be checking out some more of his stuff.

[@kellydalstok8900]

Check out his latest album Apart Together.

[@neorich59]

@@kellydalstok8900 Thanks Kelly. Will do! 😉

[@lusti6511]

May i suggest "Thank you God" from Tim Minchin to you, if you hadn't found it already. If not, tell me how it was to listen to it for the first time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4vIiIOJmNOiotE

[@doctorshell7118]

This was excellent. Thank you for posting.

[@RobertQuinn1975]

Response Ability - My Ability to effect change, my Ability to Affect a positive outcome + my Ability to Respond = Responsibility.

[@Calligraphybooster]

Very wise words from Tim at about 1:00 h

[@sportz_scarred]

Loved this. I always listen carefully when these guys speak. I take comfort in having very similar outlooks to these 2, especially in a world that just gets crazier and dumber every day it seems :)

[@diaryofnricom163]

23:20 Conversation start

[@PianoDiary85]

Completely agree with what Tim is saying about tribes, which is why I felt a bit uncomfortable with the way this was introduced. Telling people that if they think certain ways then they should leave felt a bit awkward and really went against the whole purpose of awarding someone for enlightening others. I feel that Tim may have humbled a few people there when he said that.

[@fr1nkly]

CFI please boost the volume on this.

[@RickReasonnz]

It's great to see a songwriter take on topics such as science and skepticism, and I dearly wish more popular music would do so.

[@mnewm21]

yes interestingly you have to head into the metal world to find scientific and real world topics discussed in song. Nightwish's last two albums have dealt with the human and scientific world and Sabaton deal regularly with historical and war topics as two examples.

[@RickReasonnz]

@@mnewm21 As I'm exploring more and more, I am drawn far more to Scandinavian metal than to American/English metal. Not just the music, but the lyrics are often interesting and insightful which, considering many of these who choose to sing in English, is impressive being not their native language!

[@mnewm21]

@@RickReasonnz so true, maybe it helps if you write music in another language as you feel compelled to make it mean more than you would if you wrote in your own language? Even the more silly of bands such as NanofWarofSteel (Italian band) write parodies that are actually clever and still musically really high quality 🤣

[@ThisTrainIsLost]

Facts are finite while truth is boundless.

[@marypalmer8223]

Excellent - thought-provoking - perceptive - thank you!

[@2fast2block]

and one loser talking to the next loser. Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing." Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.

[@frogsong100]

@@2fast2block What did Jesus say about slavery? Did you just get blocked, 2fast?

[@frogsong100]

@@2fast2block -Speak up, 2fast.

[@erinmoriarity4775]

This type of discussion can save humanity

[@CreedenceTheBass]

I think when we talk about regulating social media and the internet it should be a focus on the regulation of algorithms. The issues surrounding freedom of speech are more difficult, I think, than the issues surrounding "Should Facebook have the ability to tweak their algorithm in order to affect an election?" If the algorithms can be tweaked to create an echo chamber; I believe there should be a way they can be tweaked to display more diverse information.

[@adamjcohn]

I was surprised nobody said anything about the term “unbelievers”. We are not unbelievers, we are just existing and everyone else is a believer and maybe while right moral are harmful incorrect. That splitting of “right” is a FANTASTIC method reaching people I love who would be hurt by my “beliefs”.

[@TheScreamingFrog916]

This is wonderful ❤❤❤

[@jeremykothe2847]

Richard is amongst the most influential minds of the last 50 years. Tim is... well he's fucking funny.

[@bluetoad2668]

Tim is spot on at 59 mins in. Something had better change because this is a downward spiral.

[@chrispbacon3042]

I wonder if Sam and his mother still go to Tim Minchen concerts?

[@rufus1346]

Richard missed out my favourite line from 'storm' Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved.

[@erikbrush]

I love Tim Minchin. Brilliant mind!

[@Ballbagsaggins]

I liked this. I think and I hope, for the right reasons.🙂

[@rogerroger5649]

@33:40 David's question shows just how sad the situation is here in the US. My understanding is that in many European countries, atheists/non-believers are common and not thought of as bad people. It's embarrassing to know how the rest of the world has to look at us with that in mind.

[@zak3744]

Every society's slightly different, but certainly in the UK I don't think it's so much a case of it being common or uncommon. I think it's more that if religion plays a part in your life that's something for you to make a positive statement about. Not that you have to defend yourself or whatever, just: "I'm muslim." "Oh cool." Or: "I'm an atheist." "Oh cool." Or whatever it may be. It's only at that point that we assume religion has any kind of relevance to you. From my outside perspective, the USA seems different in that it often appears people are assumed to have some kind of relationship with religion even if they haven't said so, whether that relationship is pro, anti or somewhere in the middle. So that's the real difference I think: you're not assumed to have a particular view (of any kind) on religion until you say so. Think of it like, I dunno, horse riding or something. You might be a super keen horse rider. You might hate horse riding. You might never have really thought about horse riding. But unless you mention horse riding or someone asks you on your opinion of it, there's no reason why anyone is going to assume horse riding is a particularly relevant issue in your life. I mean even if you say that "unaffiliated" people in the USA are increasing, to call someone unaffiliated is to define them in relation to the idea of religion.

[@2fast2block]

Roger, they're just losers and so are you. Richard Dawkins teaches the universe came from "literally nothing." Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't get anything from "literally nothing." We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.

[@rogerroger5649]

​@@2fast2block lol, ah yes, the selectively edited and interpreted by layman "something from nothing" explanation stated by (insert whomever you are trying to discredit here). I will skip all the other points here since it is Christmas and get to the heart of the matter. Tell me, exactly, how it all demonstrably leads to whatever deity you think created "something from nothing"? And please, please don't tell me your answer will be "who else could it be?" or that it has something to do with faith.

[@MilesDavisKDAB]

Don't be so sure. I live in the UK, I came "out" as an atheist and immediately lost 30% of my customers.

[@frogsong100]

@@2fast2block - Try to not be a total azzz whole.

[@rajanogray9088]

Hi work "Storm" is one of the greatest songs of all time.

[@moonsharn]

This is old, but came up on my feed when I was happily listening to some of Tim’s songs. It’s funny, last night my son said “mum, you get more conservative by the day”. I had to laugh because my leftist views never changed. I’ve always been logical, fact and data based decision making critical thinker. An environmentalist and all about equality. Nothing in me has changed in any of those respects, the left has changed. It has become irrational and ideological, removed from reality. As Tim said, I’m also concerned that current trends of division will not age well at all. The left has moved a long way from the true concept of equality and understanding.

[@PatrickPecoraro]

Couldn’t have been awarded to a better guy.

[@Samuel_Giba]

44:07 it is interesting the silence after what Dawkins says, everyone knows it is true, everyone knows it is likely to be the biggest shame of our current society compared to future societies. It is the Big elephant in the room, that even when pointed out it is dismissed with silence.

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

Science is the process, scientific knowledge is the product.

[@markgigiel2722]

Love without evidence is.... stalking. Tim is a deep thinking genius.

[@kdmill7563]

I appreciated Dawkins pointing that out. Tim’s jokes floor me, they make me laugh in surprise and joy at the genius behind them. Other people don’t always recognize that.

[@eltonlovell9898]

'Happy shopper' Christopher Hitchens

[@sueizzard4358]

Tim Minchin, my new hero.

[@RobMacKendrick]

I was already a giant Tim fan, but if I weren't when I came I would be now because he used "to beg the question" properly. There should be a knighthood just for that.