Tim Ross & Princella | Addressing what happened | The Basement w- Tim Ross

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[@jaemoore7881]

We’re only 1:36 in and my daughter and I are both waving back at the screen 😅😅

[@coutureleotards]

Tim I was there live with the conversation. Thank you for showing Kingdom Behavior and Kingdom culture in that conversation. Highly Initiated is really growing and on the path to healing a lot of people. It was a very valuable experience for those who understood your behavior in that moment. ❤

[@shazj1842]

Wow this is embarrassing is your ego satisfied from this display, using your jacket to get your ego stroked, so performative. Looks like it worked for your demographic

[@dr.michellejtoma5910]

We (the body of Jesus Christ), no... I have work to do. We cannot dismiss the power of forgiveness.

[@ChooseU4ever]

Im an atheist, recently discovered Princella and Tim. That discussion was the first time i listened to Tim and he gained a fan in me. I felt his compassion and towards this young lady. Thank you Tim for modelling to other men on how to be better men. We need more men like you.

[@GGCanLove409]

I'm atheist too...I like this show the only thing is the YT algorithm is about to flood you with Jesus content lol

[@connectedtoserve]

Perhaps the correct word is agnostic.

[@evelynjones5286]

It’s because of his belief in Jesus that he had empathy & understands the importance of extending Grace to others.

[@connectedtoserve]

He is a kind and patient person, something we all strive for. He’s very mature.

[@unknownx7252]

Yep, agnostic is where I am with this whole thing. ​@@connectedtoserve

[@broscience1108]

Also.. I’m a male and I can listen to her endlessly, because I have a basis of understanding. My mothers was a college educated woman. She explained the women’s suffrage movement and the deferences between matriarchal and patriarchal societies.

[@stellaraze3794]

Exactly she ppl keep pointing out she’s in pain and are deflecting from the truth

[@stephaniewynn8291]

👑👑👑👑👑

[@colettehylan19]

​@@stellaraze3794They'll have to answer to their God and their Jesus about the lies they tell, but I seriously doubt they care. The church has no shortage of false prophets.

[@mainstay7887]

👑 🔱 😊

[@Ava44322]

@@stellaraze3794what truth are you referring to?

[@Chelle1Love_]

I really appreciated how Tim was so compassionate and empathetic with the young lady. Tim didn't even let the agitation of the 2 male hosts drive him into a rabbit hole.

[@ItsabrandnewV]

Right!

[@addiewilson332]

Yes! He had to have been lead by the Holy Spirit because that was like a 4-hour intense warfare. Only God can do that.

[@Chelle1Love_]

@@addiewilson332 Seriously.

[@sheenac2756]

Soooooo true! The light skin brother was DEFINITELY bothered by Princella’s words/thoughts. I eventually turned it off , because it was a lot for me! However, It was evident the Holy Spirit was present.I appreciate Tim’s submission to the Holy Spirit!

[@Chelle1Love_]

@@sheenac2756 I almost turned it off a few times myself. She was expressing her hurt and the current state of her heart. But in the meantime, bleeding on other hurt people.

[@iriscage1948]

When we argue or debate about the "science" or proven research of human/male psychology and its dismissed as "she's hurt" or demonic, we are truly lost as a people.

[@kendriahudson4747]

Anti intellectualism is these people’s actual religion.

[@theREALESTrealistUNPOPULAR]

When people hear facts and it doesn't align with what they are used to, they say "you hurt and traumatized". But the ugly truth is, most married women are the ones actually hurt and traumatized. It's really disheartening how bad the humans race wants to live in delusion instead of seeking truth

[@pats8219]

@UpRyzeQueenand her message was also the patriarchal structure hurts men too.

[@R.O.M.E-dmac]

It’s because of her conclusions that people disagree with, and she blends in subjective and esoteric info and people who are not critical or willing to look things up give it the same weight as the scientific information

[@perrycrawdog161]

You don't need science if you have Jesus unfortunately..this is what I don't like about the religious view points.. facts and esoteric knowledge doesn't matter if the world is just a chess match between the devil and the Christian God

[@missmytime]

I think Tim gets it, but seems a lot of us still don’t. We’re still not listening and addressing the issues that Princella brought up. These issues are real issues, especially with our men. If the only thing you got from Princella was that she’s a broken woman, and you’re unwilling to confront the brokenness she exposed in many of you as men, then you’re continuing to perpetuate the problem, and your “compassion” for Princella is really condescension and a refusal to listen, like she said. Edit: for the record, I’m a follower of Christ that doesn’t necessarily agree with Princella’s solutions for the problem. I don’t believe that men and women were designed to be separate just because they’re biologically different, or that marriage must go against the original design simply because it’s hard. Even putting the Word of God and what it says about original sin aside, obviously female-female relationships can be toxic too, and females can be just as unloving as anyone else. (I assume that this is obvious, but I’d be happy to share anecdotes for anyone born yesterday that might doubt that inter-female relationships can be toxic - lol.) I do agree with a lot of her observations about too many men, though.

[@glamsimslv]

Truth, which is why part of me wishes she wouldn’t have shared her personal experiences. People love to deflect even with all the facts and statistics. However, I really enjoyed their exchange and respectful dialogue.

[@coreythomas3633]

YOU PPL SOUND DUMB WHERE IS THEIR TO GET EXACTLY

[@coreythomas3633]

​@@glamsimslvwhat facts is she speaking she not speaking fact's...

[@glamsimslv]

@@coreythomas3633 oh. Okay.

[@so0oochante840]

​@coreythomas3633 how are statistics now facts?

[@Knowledgeispower0909]

So many want to dismiss her as if she's lying and making this up. Thank youuuuuu Tim for acknowledging that this stuff is true. This is the ONLY way we can heal as a ppl

[@chrisdrums100]

Anything is a lie without evidence

[@Ava44322]

It’s not that there isn’t bad men. It’s the emphasis on only men being the problem and not huMAN.

[@nomakeupcutie]

​@@Ava44322this is like guilty by association.

[@user-je7db7bi7i]

​@@Ava44322well then you are missing the trees for the forest. Womens bad behavior 99% caused by men..the 1% of womens behavior are HUMAN misbehavor, not demonic. What she's also not saying is men are responsible for 99.9% of ills in this world.

[@QueenChrist4Life]

​@@Ava44322HuMAN BEGAN with a man! We must follow God's order to fulfill the promise!

[@gomolemomanche257]

How are you treating someone who presented facts like a child? This is the constant, the thing that keeps happening: men aren't making an effort to hold their brothers accountable, despite the fact that women are frantically trying to communicate and find a solution. Worldwide, there is violence against women and children in addition to high divorce rates.

[@advisorywarning]

It’s so insanely condescending

[@user-je7db7bi7i]

Ummm why are y'all still confused about their behavior?? Theyve always been against women like this. And they will continue to do so bc theyve understood first and foremost that THEY are in a gender war, the war women habe been ignorant of for ever. It's why no matter what women say, they must make it sound stupid and dumb. They cannot let you win bx they are weak and dependent on you. If they let up, THEY lose. And the price is the loss is literally their lives. THAT is the weakness of THEIR gender. Women can lose and not die. But they lose, they DIE. That is why they will NOT listen. And that is why it's up to women to correct the world...

[@Hero-and-Hooligan]

Lesbian divorce rates are over 75%, do you blame men for that too.

[@user-je7db7bi7i]

@@Hero-and-Hooligan this is a LIE!!!! STOP LYING!!! Lesbian divorce rates are NOT 75%.

[@almostafa4725]

@@Hero-and-Hooliganexactly, they are always blaming men for everything including their own decisions

[@Dreeham87]

In psych we call it "Parroting" when you repeat back to a patient what they've just told you. It shows that you were listening and gives them the opportunity to clarify things as well. I watched that whole "debate" By the end I was smiling from ear to ear. I told my husband "Tim was definitely Spirit led during that whole conversation"👍🏾

[@Chell6626]

Yesss this is what I thought as well and he repeated the message of Christ and a need for a savior multiple times!! Some times we are sent to present the message other times water, he did both to not just her but the 4,500 on the stream and after. I watched the whole thing as well

[@crystalbqueen4341]

Yes he was!!! Shifted the entire energy in the room!

[@sherethadaniels473]

Amen 🙏🏽

[@colettehylan19]

I wasn't abused by the men in my life, because I didn't allow males around me. Males could never get that close to me, because they've never measured up. I was never male centered, so I had no illusions about who and what males are. I lived with my father who was a REAL alpha. I can now interpret as an adult, what I saw as a child. Males bowed to my father. I have NEVER met a male that could shine my father's shoes. He wasn't perfect, but he was every bit a Provider and Protector. Also he encouraged his daughters to be free. I have still not been able to process why George Zimmerman is still walking around, breathing in and out. Had he killed one of Harry Hylan's kids, he would have had a very different experience. Period. Saying all of that, I've worked in all male dominated industries, and when a woman is around males that know she is absolutely unavailable to them, they relax and become themselves. I don't have time to list the myriad of horrifying things that I've heard 99.9% of all those males say. And I've worked with a lot of males. The pedophilia, the down low and spousal abuse, it was all rampant. Tim, I would say it's beneath you to reduce what Princella knows about males to her personal experiences, but you've behaved in a way that your nature and ego dictates.

[@pdidyp]

"Males could never get that close to me, because they've never measured up"......... Or may it simply be the fact that you're a lesbian, context, is everything you kind of intentionally left a part out.....hmmm

[@bukolalawal7935]

The truth is we are all a product of our experiences and our environment. If your work environment was different and if Pricilla’s life experiences were different, filled with loving and caring men, then she might not say what she’s saying and the same may apply to you. Tim acknowledged her pain and saying men need to be better as they are causing a lot of pain. The root goes back to family, how we are brought up et al. That’s why Priscilla is saying that you don’t need a man to make a family. We need both mother and father in the family, God is not wrong with what he created. The truth is the devil wants to break up family. We need to be careful of making the wiles of the devil the truth.

[@colettehylan19]

@@bukolalawal7935 I'll quote TQM, "If if was a 5th..." Y'all got step back from trying to gaslight a mofo and admit that most males are trash.

[@ayoprophet2646]

@bukolalawal7935 And the truth is more and more women are having these experiences. She doesn't have almost 80k subscribers for nothing. These women can relate, but y'all wanna act blind and keep women living in fairytale land.

[@colettehylan19]

@@ayoprophet2646 Facts

[@jacobgatlin7485]

So you know what's sad the show just done by you guys. They brought on an Ex Pimp named Pimpin Ken and he said the exact same stuff that the Sister had just tried to say. Not once did they call him dangerous or try to stop him from talking. Tim was the only person that even tried to understand where she was coming from. For that I commend you my brother. At least you tried to understand. However the other 2 nen only confirmed exactly how the Sister was feeling about men. She has some pain yet even through the pain she still showed just how toxic many of us men can be. SMH the male hosts of that show need just as much healing as she does.

[@kendriahudson4747]

They confirmed what she said because what she said is the truth. I keep saying, if what she said holds no weight, men would have no problem living a life that disproves it. But you yourself have observed otherwise. At least you realize that unlike the other delulus in these comments.

[@jacobgatlin7485]

@@kendriahudson4747 yeah it's just sad to be honest. I am really concerned for my daughters right now. 🤦‍♀️ At least I will raise a high value Son. And my daughters at least know one high value man. Another thing she's right about you can't fix no man that doesn't know there's a problem 😔

[@kendriahudson4747]

@@jacobgatlin7485 well little girls grow up and choose men who have the same personality as their father. As long as you live in alignment with that truth, your daughters should be fine.

[@kerrak.7452]

@@kendriahudson4747yes I can agree your daughter will be just fine. I’m confident about raising my daughter due to the father she has. She’s so much like him and he embraces all of her and I just love to see their bond flourish. I pray she doesn’t have to deal with his shadow but I’m sure she can learn from that as well lol.

[@kendriahudson4747]

@@kerrak.7452 children will deal with their parents in different forms all throughout life, shadow side included. People think their children are protected from the parts of themselves they hide, but that’s not how life works. Your children are exposed to all of you whether you show it or not. That’s why your children should inspire you to be the best you can be, even when no one is looking.

[@Jayde1027]

Man…would love to see Dr. Anita Phillips and Princella have a discussion on the deeper neuroscience and psychological aspects of what she was talking about🔥

[@briiSkii]

Maaannnnn!!!!! Now THIS would be extremely interesting to see and hopefully fruitful🙏🏾🩷

[@MsMizz1]

Girl you just put something out there that would be transformation. I’m glad it’s in the atmosphere and pray it happens. Big Dr. Phillips fan and respect the position of Princella. Dr. Anita absolutely could meet Princella in the gap and I pray for it ❤️

[@MsSexiiBayon]

listen that would be something GOOD!!!

[@YonnaTheVibe]

Shout out to Princella! This is a prime example of what she teaches. When men speak like this, all we hear is leave men alone all together. You all literally tell us yourselves by way of your responses

[@nathanportee3089]

Are you open to conversation 1 on 1

[@Hero-and-Hooligan]

Women should go create their own country of women only. But then the wildlife animals would conquered and overrun it 😂

[@Liyaxs]

Agreed. They literally tell you and show you who they are - some women still holding out and it breaks my heart for them.

[@ethericdezigns1528]

This discussion is tired, to be honest.

[@patricejones7905]

There was a reflection of him he just didn’t speak on it. What she spoke on described Tim’s marriage and most ppls marriages. It’s just a matter of what the woman is willing to put up with. Like she said you either tolerate it or live separately but we can brush it off as hurt and pain when most married women are having these same issues.

[@ladybug3380]

Exactly we all know this to be true.

[@eileenwatt8283]

I see it alot even those who says their marriage is good are fooling them selves. They have to put up and suppressed their feelings. Go along to get along at the expense of their health. The results is illnesses. A lot of the illnesses people getting is due to relationships struggles. It trauma manifested in the cells of the body.

[@truettadevil]

Tim confessed to her assistant AFTER the interview that his wife asked him for a divorce just a few years ago. Why didn't Tim bring that up when she woods wives in long marriages need to be talked to???

[@shunm8247]

Explains why most women file for divorce

[@Mr.Oct___]

Oh yeah...What explains why women are the most medicated creatures on the planet? Lemme guess....bc of men right?? I hope women do separate & then we can get some real live data. Bc last i checked we've had decades of women leading households....But the truth of that reality seems to conveniently escape everyone.

[@monettevalliere]

Tim, thank you for being a leader. You treated this woman with so much dignity that it was so beautiful to watch.

[@viciousreasoning504]

Ryan and tysean were triggered and not listening period. I loved how you handled the situation and discussion. I do agree with a lot of princella’s points but it helps me to better approach relationships or just be more aware

[@TT-dv9er]

It’s because they have no power in this area. Men that age no kids and never married are pretending to be experts.

[@teresamarie7460]

​@@TT-dv9erTysean has two sons. AND there are plenty of men with children and a woman who believe just like them.

[@Mr.Oct___]

​@@TT-dv9er& what exactly positions Princella as an authority again?? ...Other than tapping into the pain points of her foolish followers of course.

[@nathanportee3089]

Could we have a 1 on 1 conversation

[@ambergibson7381]

It was disappointing how the HI hosts treated her. They were ALL the way in their feelings & childish asf💯Smh😌

[@lrb1027]

What she went through made her see "okay something is seriously wrong, let me research... the WHY is this?" I don't believe she is wrong when speaking on NATURAL WIRING & BIOLOGY.

[@otownshorty407]

THANK YOU!

[@themessenger_80]

I think she was cherry picking with the biology portion. People are a product of their environment. That ties into biology.

[@QueenChrist4Life]

​@@themessenger_80 She covered that as well.

[@EpicBlacque]

Thank you Tim for letting God use you! I watched and this literally showed me what Paul was talking about in his letter to the Corinthians. We can't tell a non-believer of Jesus what to believe or how to conduct themselves. I have struggled with pushing my opinion verbally. I asked God to show me what it looks like to be strong in my faith but respectful. Thank you for showing me what that looks present day ❤

[@JourneyThroughAnimation]

Yesss i agreee this was a real raw example of what it is to be a disciple of Jesus thank you Uncle Timmmyyyyy!!!

[@3DSuccess]

Listen, everything she said, was not a lie, we must acknowledge that too. Great truth Pastor Tim

[@Mysasser1]

Her subscriptions are popping off!!! They mad because she is ripped the veil off. She is phenomenal and if they really listened to her they would leave her alone.

[@themessenger_80]

Do you really believe that women are whole from start to finish and men are half, never to become whole? The ladies are fully capable of doing everything men do.

[@3DSuccess]

@@themessenger_80 I've never had a desire to do everything men can do. I personally dont see myself doing everything men can. Women come out whole? I can only speak for myself. I've definitely had to have intentional personal development. I do think a normal healthy woman innately has nurturing characteristics s that lead to a higher level of compassion. But WHOLE..I am a Life Coach/Business Coach for over a decade, and I haven't met a perfect individual yet. I believe God made us all different for a reason. I also believe God didn't make any mistakes in his "intentions" for creation. I think of men as being designed to Lead so in that respect, based on our world space, I feel a large majority of men have a lot of healing and self reflection (awareness) to do from that respect. Our society has presented us (men and women) with so many things that go outside of Gods desire for humanity and the concept of family and marriage. (from a moral perspective) And many have fallen victim. Women are more likely to seek healing, innerwork, self reflection and counseling first. Which leaves a huge disparity when viewing how a large majority of men are presenting themselves. We also must look at our community as a race. When your identity has been changed and God has become a far distant focus it's easy to be out of natural alignment.

[@peacenme-7034]

I believe that women are whole until life experience leave residue of brokenness or shattered into pieces

[@ramonabridgett9058]

Tim. That jacket you covered her with was the symbol of God's covering. GOD MAKES NO MISTAKES. YOU WERE EXACTLY WHERE YOU NEEDED TO BE. She could have easily said no to your coat covering her spirit back down.. God was represented in that room. You absolutely left the seed of Jesus Christ and his Salvation ❤. Thank Bro. God is Awesome ❤

[@sandrabraxton678]

I agree

[@nomusasithole8855]

You made me cry. This is wisdom. Thanks for this comment

[@peacenme-7034]

❤ 🙌🏾

[@KelliShepp]

I think part of the issue when it comes to the Hardly Initiated episode is that it was marketed as a “debate” which laid a foundation for folks’ expectations. It should have been labeled as a round table discussion or similar. That could’ve cut out all the noise about “shutting her down”.

[@truettadevil]

They ambushed her. She was told she was being interviewed by the 2 hosts about her new book. She didn't know a 3rd man was invited to "debate" her. And, they never talked about her book.

[@Mr.Oct___]

Her entire brand is built around confrontational discussions.

[@besure471]

Princella help me so much that my soul is thriving so much im free i progress more im more successful i feel safe now im not getting hurt abuse mentally physically spiritually and im stressed free and i protecting myself even more and i thank her for her message

[@InstitutionOfGame]

So you basically have isolated yourself or what?

[@besure471]

@@InstitutionOfGame I didn't isolate myself I spend more time with family after I got out I was isolated when I was in a relationship

[@GodisLeoSimone]

Yessss same ❤

[@claralucelafond]

What men always fail to understand is that Princella's experiences are nearly EVERY woman's experience. so this idea that if "she" had a loving father or man in her life would somehow change what the facts are is ludicrous. it may not be ALL men as many love to say, however it is definitely MOST men,

[@user-gd6mz5zg4b]

That’s part of the point. He wants men to step it up and do better. I have experienced both sides of men and I can say it’s definitely not most men. There are more good men than bad ones. I commend Tim for wanting to hold men accountable. The sooner women let bitterness go the quicker we will be able to experience the beautiful side of men and life.

[@themessenger_80]

That view is a bit extreme. Nearly every woman?

[@greta6243]

You are right because even the "good" ones, the ones that might marry you and don't put their hands on you will at the least take it while your sleep, blame you for all their inadequacies and expect you to take care of their kids, cook and clean and give them sex on a regular after you've worked hard at an 8 to 5.

[@peachechild]

Tim you liberated me just by listening to her. If anything, I pray people watched that and learned from your love and empathy. Gave me chills. Thank you.

[@truettadevil]

If Princella was never abused, the rape statistics, domestic violence, statistics and femicide statistics in the Black community would remain the same. Her experiences were irrelevant to the empirical data and analysis she presented about men. She's degreed in Molecular Biology and you diminish her to an healed child 🙄 You continue to prove her point.

[@themessenger_80]

She wasn’t reduced to a little girl. What he was saying is that as a grown woman, she is now protecting that little girl who couldn’t protect herself.

[@HeavenlyPurposed1]

That was the best conversation I've ever heard. I was convicted to put offense aside and listen more intensionally. That interview literally lives rent free in my head since. I could only dream of encountering a "one percenter" like Tim. My experience with men heard truth in what she said, my love in Jesus gives me hope and compassion moving forward 🙏🏽

[@ItsabrandnewV]

Yes I agree when I first heard her on hardly initiated I prayed for her too. You can hear the hurt. She meant well as far as the position to want to help people but she doesn't know what that help looks like. JESUS!

[@addiewilson332]

Agreed! I think most women could find some truth in what she said. True science agrees with God because He created it. He gave us His son to give us hope because He wants nothing but good for us. What she was espousing is what happens was the science without Christ. God's perfection mixed with our human sin (men AND women).

[@theyoungins4427]

Holy Spirit has been dealing with me lately on the tone that I used to talk to my family. As a husband and father, it’s very important to me that I’ve become more kind and gentle in every way that I communicate with them. I’m definitely going to purchase the never split the difference audiobook. Thank you, uncle Tim.!

[@crystalbqueen4341]

Love this! All the best!

[@lydiarobinson-wd5ie]

Who the author of the book

[@themessenger_80]

Do you think it’s because of frustration?

[@kegreat7]

Good for you. May God continue to help you

[@aricab71]

Tim, I watched the entire show from start to finish and all I can say is that you truly displayed the love of God! Whether you agreed with some of what she said or not, the amount of grace, love, and true authenticity was truly exemplified. This woman has truly been deeply wounded. I believe that you showed her the true Love of God! Each time you spoke to her, her spirit softened, but if anything was a take away she experienced the true love of God. Whether she chooses to admit it or not, she was impacted and this will forever be a moment remembered by her and a real encounter with a child of God!❤❤🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@csmartin308]

You’re a great communicator. I loved how you dodged certain things in the debate and was careful with your responses to keep the conversation productive. I would have fell into the trap because of pride 😂. Much respect

[@sharonjohns1686]

Tim the discipline, compassion and character you displayed on that conversation.... No words. We must all learn from this man. This is what 1 corinthians 13 is. All about

[@melrose031]

Much of what Princella said was not wrong. As a Christian, even I cringe at the comments about her accepting Jesus and needing to heal. That's so condescending. That’s not what the main discussion about this conversation should be about.

[@vontaclerk]

the goal is always to lead ppl to christ

[@melrose031]

@@vontaclerk that’s your opinion which is not biblical

[@melrose031]

@@user-zt1ih6yl2p only JESUS can lead us to him.

[@bdott1538]

@@vontaclerkyou can’t lead people to Christ by being condescending. Address the issue.

[@BluDrop5]

​@@user-zt1ih6yl2pThe former because there won't be time to discuss anything if you go to hell.

[@saidit.meantit.9133]

Did anyone else notice that Princella almost never answers a direct question? If she was asked "Did you take my cookie," instead of saying No, she would go into detail about how cookies are made and the history of baking. Tim has a world of patience I wish I had.

[@shemoore]

I noticed she did not answer the questions either. Found following her interview to be exhausted.

[@themessenger_80]

I noticed that too. She kept repeating herself and adding new subjects each time.

[@Candie4JC]

I think it should be noted the differences in responses to the HI episode by Tim & Princella: Princella: • spent 1.5hrs post-show blasting Tim, Ryan, and Tysean • spent another almost 5 hrs live yesterday doing the same • UPDATE: sis is doing a part 2 live today! 😩😩😩 Tim: • brotha went to BED after the show and slept • he waited almost a week to address the episode, affirm and uplift Princella, for, what… 15-20 minutes tops? This is the difference between internal torment due to the destruction from the enemy and internal peace due to the healing from the Savior. May we truly commit Princella and her disciplines into fervent prayer in the Basement, and may we pray for every man that validates the truth of which she revealed, that they repent from their sick, wicked ways and turn toward Christ. I pray we see Princella and her disciples as followers of The Way one day. I believe it will be possible!

[@almmason7]

Well said 😊❤👏🙌

[@monettevalliere]

So true

[@Silverfox313]

Facts I watched the after show to get more insight from her and it showed more hurt 😢🙏🏾

[@tanniebee]

I wonder how she has the energy for all that. She talked for 4 hours on the episode and then kept going after that. Her mouth should be tired 😂

[@BareTruthWorld]

Yesss I saw that.. who has that much energy to put into all of that post show. I don’t even see Ryan or Ty talking about her anymore.

[@shamgod3003]

I listened to theb hardly initated "debate" just to see how you would handle it. I was impressed. I need to work handling those situations better. Great example

[@rodscomfortblecreations8544]

yeah that debate was rough but he did handle it pretty well

[@FreeBirdee]

The actions of men have a profound impact on the lives of the majority, if not all, women, whether through personal experiences or witnessing the pain of other women. This creates an interconnected web of experiences and emotions. If men persist in using this pain as a deflection, women will undoubtedly turn away from men in large numbers.

[@VANZIG]

You did very well with the discussion. In few words, you spoke volumes. As a woman married for 21 years, I too understand where she was coming from. The fact that she didn't expect your response spoke volumes. Your jacket, emotion and patience served as a father figure in that setting for her.🙏🙌

[@truettadevil]

How did that show a father figure?? It's how a good man should treat women in their presence... not how fathers treat their daughters.

[@VANZIG]

@@truettadevil Whatever the case, it demonstrated something that she had not been shown by men. Try to catch it. You can switch the word out if you want. At the time, I couldn’t think of the word that embodied completely what I wanted to say.

[@truettadevil]

@@VANZIG and you know a man has never given her his jacket when she was cold, how???

[@VANZIG]

@@truettadevil 🤣🤣🤣 You’re still besides the point but you can have it. Have a nice life.

[@kadeshasmith5144]

I’ve asked myself the question what am I getting out of my current relationship and the answer is nothing! I truly believe in what the Queen Maker is saying 100% and this is the first time I’m hearing her. I feel like I’m being held back by relationship. They want you to believe you get love, protection and a man that provides but I can give myself that without all the bullshit from a man who does not know himself therefore he’s sucking my energy and projecting all his failures unto me. Ladies LISTEN to that young lady.. Don’t judge.. LISTEN. A male led society will never be beneficial for us because most men only care about sex and survival.. i.e competition. That is not the nature of women.

[@Arun71150]

❗️❗️❗️

[@ShesGiftedAndProspering]

This!!!!!!

[@Hero-and-Hooligan]

What would a female led society look like ? 😂

[@natashafawn3810]

Y’all insist on victimizing her. Y’all don’t think women are smart and you don’t listen to women but the moment you hear about a woman’s past you’ll throw the whole message away to focus on her past.

[@themessenger_80]

You can’t solve a problem without the whole equation. If she wasn’t prompted, we would’ve never known about her past. Her past gives you insight on her thinking and processing.

[@catinaharrisministries365]

Tim, thank you for being real, authentic, and open to speak truth, share truth, and receive truth.

[@adriennej]

24:04 yes, a lot of us women agree with her. If people can prove her wrong then, please feel free.

[@Mr.Oct___]

That's not diff....what exactly are u even saying. Her theory has so many holes water would pass right thru it. Women agree w/ a lot of ridiculous rhetoric. You all get targeted, used, & manipulated like dummies. This is no diff. But go off Kween... Time will reveal all.

[@ktokie338]

The Queen maker supporter here always and forever. She stands for women and speaks the truth and facts that others are terrified to say or too unintelligent or brainwashed to understand. She’s not afraid and that speaks to the testament of her character.

[@themessenger_80]

Is it true that women are whole and men will never be?

[@GodisLeoSimone]

Exactly ❤

[@kaywisseh]

You did a phenomenal job!! I was highly impressed with you. Your kindness was so authentic and needed in the body.

[@laurenmcbride1913]

Tim, Thank you for speaking with Princella and most importantly hearing her out. Your grace was a blessing and touched my heart.

[@ItsBrookeBaby]

After watching that interview I gained a new level of respect for Uncle Tim

[@adrianking5985]

Tim my respect for you went to another level you allowing Princella to speak and not once did you interrupt her unlike how Ryan was trying too but you kept saying to him let her speak the patience that you have is what I been praying for myself so thank you for keeping it 💯 always and we that ROCK with you know that those tears where Real No cap 🙏

[@marhamdezigns7152]

I was impressed and so proud of you Tim for how you handle her, I could see that you were being led by the Holy Sprit. I could tell she was being led by hurt and pain. I could hear her pain , even though she said that she was over it. You showed her grace and love, I’m pleased that I get to see what Godly love looks like in an healthy conversation. Thank you Tim❤️.

[@Shanice___Loves]

The pain was oozing out in every direction. It has hardened her so much. I pray she get therapy and healing.

[@notofthisworld0]

I dont think she was still in pain. Remember she said she is not driven by feelings. She was speaking from her experiences from the behaviors of what she saw in the men she interacted with.

[@besure471]

Omg with this pain bs I'm tired of hearing that hurt place and she doesn't come from hurt she comes from lesson learned and fixing the problem

[@notofthisworld0]

@karenmoon9066 She didnt get proper healing.She may have gotten counseling but that didnt heal it. She didnt go to Jesus

[@besure471]

@@notofthisworld0 she did get healing when she found out the root causes of men behavior and why do you put a fictitious person in the situation

[@cherycehaynes8575]

I was able to watch that interview My heart broke for her so bad, but I trust God’s hand is not to short to save nor is His ear to dull to hear. I appreciate you Tim showing so much compassion toward her as you delivered truth. I noticed you quietly interceding as she ranted and ranted. We as believers should be listening and praying more for the souls of the lost. You did awesome brother. As a Christian woman watching that, it reveals we got much work to do, because the enemy is for sure using her as a vessel. Praying the Lord’s deliverance and protection for all. Especially young women coming up😅.

[@ltaylor5557]

That is so true. She actually was not ranting, she became disheveled when the hosts were talking condescending and condemning. I LOVE the way Tim showed her respect and let her know that Jesus is the man that saves all and because of sin men (and mankind) that have not submitted their lives to Jesus do behave in those manners. I lost a lot of respect for those 2 men. You knew where she stood before "inviting" her . I first watched them when they interviewed Judge Lynn Toler.

[@jojomarkell7447]

"When you have authority you dont have to be rude." I needed to hear that.

[@abigailhamilton4925]

Had a breast reduction 26 yrs ago at 21 yrs old due to my physical health. Best decision i could have made. And to this day at 50, i have not married and struggle with intimacy and relating to others. Suffer from the sexual trauma i received as a child and teenager from men and women, family, classmates, etc before the surgery. I am having trouble getting a therapist.

[@sheiladaleus1763]

Just because you do not agree with Princella does not mean she is not healed SHE SAID WHAT HAPPTO HER MADE HER STUDY MENS BEHAVIOR

[@themessenger_80]

Is she healed or is she coping? Women are usually (biologically) emotional creatures. She is emotionless.

[@THSimagery]

That was my first encounter with Priscilla. I have watched this Pastor across many genres of podcast and video blogs. I will have to say that their conversation was exceptional. And it was really eye-opening. I loved both of their perspectives. I do perceive Priscilla‘s perspective to be Strong and I can see why she accumulated a huge following of women. It’s flawed for sure, but she has so much data and so much conviction and it’s so smart who, without the Holy Spirit can reject it? Long story short, I have decided to follow your channel because I appreciate it how you approached it. It’s true God gave you that wisdom. She was not lying for one minute, but I agree her solutions is flawed.

[@alexandraboone3255]

Major Key🔑: Leave my ego out of my conversations. I can’t be curious & offended at the same time.

[@naviifra2374]

The people in the comments who are saying shes just hurt and needs to heal are why Princella is gaining more followers

[@Mysasser1]

78.1k!!!! She was at 76.7k previously. I live her!

[@cicithatzme132]

The disgusting thing is that these people want to discount her and the millions who have had such experiences. It's demonic. They are selfish and unconcerned about others!

[@brandi3466]

THIS! and they keep proving her point over n over in some type of haze.... weird

[@Livelife95ify]

Pastor Tim Ross my respect for you tripled after watching your performance in that debate. She went back to her page an accused you of multiple negative things which was unfortunate.. I made sure I made a comment in her comment section honoring the amazing way you treated her. Keep up the great work

[@sheiladaleus1763]

Madame PRINCELLA and Sir Tim. I commend the both of you I am 56 years old. The world needs to listen to both of you. No disrespect but the host of Hardly Initiated need lessons 101 and the entire red pill community. The respect you have shown to PRINCELLA is unmatched.

[@Mr.Oct___]

Stop it w/ ur bias. I don't subcribe to those fools. But the red pill community was born completely due the abuse and dysfunction men experienced from women. There's an equally distructive female version of that group all oflver social media which you make absolutely ZERO reference to...Thus, exposing your indoctrinated bias.....please stop it. You sound ridiculous.

[@stormjacksonnsidefirst1042]

I watched the whole thing. You handled the whole interview beautifully. With compassion, empathy, sympathy. You being an empath and being able to be in that space with her was impressive. Definately the real deal. ❤🔥

[@vcowherd39]

❣️❣️❣️ The Queen Maker ❣️❣️❣️ was the best thing for women on KZbin ❣️❣️❣️

[@IAmCourtneyMichelle]

She is the worst

[@tiffanyRN504]

I stayed up waaaaay past my bedtime watching. You were extremely sensitive to her. As someone that is trying to strengthen their walk, everything she said absolutely supports the need for Jesus...being a disciple and loving others. I prayed for her before I went to sleep that night.

[@ItsabrandnewV]

I prayed for her when I saw her on hardly initiated

[@crystalbqueen4341]

My BIGGEST concern is seeing a woman in that much pain…….. leading others. Not because she’s healed but because she’s an intelligent and educated person , in great pain. Mary allowed Jesus to work on her over time. We have to allow.

[@dw9054]

Yes because she’s doing more than speaking to issues I’m sensing another agenda. I hope I’m wrong.

[@lovebug6388]

We see a plethora of broken males in pulpits and podcasts doing the same thing. Are we calling them out with the same fervor? Cause I can think of at 3 of each that need to be demonetized and cancelled.

[@SpindarellaMotloung]

@@lovebug6388hectic🙆🏾‍♀️

[@abisolaabisola7357]

It’s not pain it’s passion.

[@broscience1108]

She’s not in pain. She’s living in her purpose. You’re living in ignorance and have been indoctrinated. Christianity is another form of governmental control. A mental program. She unlearned her patriarchal programming and she’s helping men(who can listen to a women for more than 5 mins)and women by speaking from experience. Experiences we’ve all had with males. I’m a male and wouldn’t trust a male around my daughters for an instant.

[@Lee_shha]

I just listened to the “debate” with Princella yesterday and at first I was upset at how much she was talking, but the moment Tim held space for Princella was amazing to see. It was amazing to see in action how you can love someone even if they have different beliefs than you do and I think that is how you get people to become curious and come back. I really struggle at times feeling I have to “defend God” because that’s what I saw in the church growing up, but I hope to one day be as compassionate, loving and safe as I saw Tim be because that really is how Jesus was and I believe that as believers in Jesus Christ that is how we are called to be. Jesus said he didn’t come to condemn the world and neither should we.

[@Aconsejandodesdeloaprendido]

Got me crying with the genealogy of the issue with Judah and Tamar My son is a blessing ❤

[@Thefashionengineer]

Yes he is!!!❤❤❤❤

[@petiterider3505]

As a doctor of psychology, I have so much to say about Princella's studies and talking points. However, what's most important to say is that you handled the conversation perfectly. You mirrored her, stay regulated, you were curious about her and her life's experiences, and you were able to find areas where you guys agreed. You were so on point. I believe she got what she needed from you. Maybe she'll never tell you, but you offered her a new positive experience with a male that I believe will eventually help her in major ways in the near future.

[@nomakeupcutie]

Do you think it's fair to pick at her past traumas without getting the past traumas of the others on the platform? We could look at the entire platform's past if that's validation for their beliefs. Everyone is speaking with some subjectivity from their past but some are speaking for a cause. Hers is to dismantle patriarchy.

[@petiterider3505]

@nomakeupcutie I have a different opinion than yours, if that's okay. I didn't see him picking on her about her past. Is that okay if we disagree.

[@themissmay]

Yikes

[@nomakeupcutie]

@petiterider3505 you don't have to ask if it's ok. We are mature adults having discourse of systemic oppression greater than racism. I would much rather see the disparity in dismantling her past without doing the same with the other panelists/hosts. What's underneath there that's making them so defensive?

[@Skatekidsonboard]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaan THIS IS ONE OF THEE REALEST PODCAST FOR BELIEVERS ANYWHERE ON THE NET. I CANT BE IVE FOUND CHRISTIAN CONTENT THIS AUTHENTIC ‼️‼️‼️💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@ladybird2356]

Bring her to the basement with Jackie Perry! I would love to see it.

[@attorneyyaidaford]

that would be interesting

[@andreawinzer7892]

I thought of Jackie Perry when I watched the "debate" that night.

[@tanniebee]

She just said on her live that she doesn’t sit down and talk to women because they are brainwashed and don’t know it

[@bdott1538]

@@austin27ljnein

[@ladybird2356]

@@austin27lj hmmm I don’t know about Candace. She isn’t very deep when it comes to spiritual or biblical matters.

[@diamondja]

I’m an hour in, and I’ve watched the whole HI podcast. Pastor Tim listened to Princella to the best of his ability, but I can still tell with his rhetoric that it went over his head. He wanted Princella to acknowledge he’s the rare one percent, but how long did it take him to get there? He said everything she said was true about men, but he still throws in his personal bias. Am I the only one listening lol? I sense his bs.

[@naviifra2374]

The male ego will always protect the image of men before protecting women

[@virginialaster4035]

I think she made some very valid points, some men treat their women exactly how she explained it.

[@sheheals_wounds5169]

They get treated the exact way the two “Men” treated Princella who they invited on the podcast dismissed, not heard & told why she feels the way she does and what she needs to fix it😩 but they missed that part😢

[@krystylez]

Merry Christmas B-Side Fam! Love you guys! ❤

[@ramonabridgett9058]

Merry Christmas ❤

[@sheiladaleus1763]

All women SHOULD STUDY MENS BEHAVIOR WHETHER WE BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT

[@dcfal817]

I agree 100%. However , most modern women in America has shown that experience matters more than learning. If you watch the interview, most women disagreed with princella philosophy

[@Mysasser1]

21:35 this is where it starts. You're welcomed.

[@rosalvaperez3595]

Yes!! What a great year at the basement with our lovely pastor Tim Ross and fam and the whole team!!🥳🥳🙌🏻

[@ladybird2356]

My brother you did so well. Thank you for letting her talk and listen to her because women never get that. Men get mad or uncomfortable and just dont listen. Thank you for being the perfect Christian man to address her concerns. Thank you!

[@br00klynnative58]

Why when a man do something for a woman it’s “chivalry” but when women do it it never means shit 😂

[@bmj2424]

The word you were looking for Tim is “REITERATING” The Art of verbalizing back what they said to show that you have heard and understood. Bev 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 Love 💕❤️💕in abundance to you Juliette and all the B Side Crew. PS:- I am 60 and still searching for Boaz. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@BeWiseLegette]

Watching the debate showed me how to be patience when listening. I paused it a few times and commented a few times.

[@brandi3466]

She's MORE than a broken woman and I wish your empathy and sympathy was able to see her and her truth as the message that needs to be given. MEN are BROKEN AND OTHER MEN ARE NOT HOLDING THESE MEN ACCOUNTABLE and women will never be the solution to this problem instead of trying to big yourself up I would have appreciated you coming to the mic and addressing THIS! smh why I will never go back to religion....

[@alle10owtof10]

I’m glad I saw this. I was initially impressed how you handled yourself (so many people are congratulating you on how you handled HER which is bizarre but proved one of her points). But seeing this, by your words that understanding, that empathy I saw was an act. You understood how the other two men would come off and didn’t want the same smoke which everyone bought. You can absolutely disagree but to dismiss her wisdom to childish trauma…sigh. I guess all of these women are liars. Lord helps us all.

[@ramonabridgett9058]

Praise God. Praying God will continue allowing to inrease God's territory in the lives of The Basement. the following and every heart that is touched in Jesus's name❤

[@JourneyThroughAnimation]

When you said you dont have another agenda not trying to fish and bait Tim my heart is weeping. When you said that memories came to mind of the men i have encountered who have done this to me and the fact that you are so intentional about being safe for the men and women you interact with..... I have no words I am grateful for you Tim the way you held yourself in that conversation encouraged and inspred me and honestly showed me you spend alot of time with Jesus thankful for your being 🥲

[@kahmeelahlyons5774]

The Mercy of God was on display this day! She is leading from a broken place and its unsafe. I pray God sends her a village of love and patience to redirect her talents and gifts and most of all, her heart.

[@addiewilson332]

Yes! She is clearly an extremely gifted and talented woman. She needs to healed.

[@nakialashay379]

The devil is a liar and the truth ain't in him. So thankful for the Divine Mother.❤🎉

[@tracyreadytv]

You beautifully and masterfully handled that interview. I knew from the jump what you were doing because thats how I move with people too. I told my husband as we were listening, "Tim is just listening ON PURPOSE to TRULY understand her." THEN he'll be able to RESPOND rather than REACT to her ideals. I understood in the first 20 minutes her perspective because I have shared aspects of it in the past... MANY women have a point where they decide men are "unsafe" but its her solution that was shortsighted. God took me on a unique journey of healing my issues with men...and of course His journey is always "complete" (rather than shortsighted). I feel she has a beautiful but broken soul....and from the seed you planted I PRAY will blossom as her getting into relationship with THE man of Jesus.

[@lionhearted5648]

Tim Ross I love you man🙏🏿, the basement is free therapy mentally spiritually and emotionally.

[@monalysamakeup849]

I agree with most of what you said however these beliefs that she has is not something she made up, it’s mainly science and women experience…so yes we can all have our spiritual beliefs but science you can’t make up or lie

[@gmazone2596]

I have much respect for you understanding where she’s coming from!! Honestly, I didn’t like the fact that the hardly initiated hosts intentions were for you to “ Get AT her” mentality!! Please have this “ energy” for these men that CONTINUE to view women as someone that are for sexual fulfillment, etc ONLY!!

[@nomusasithole8855]

Tim you handled that interview with love, compassion and grace. I was so proud. You are mature in Chrisr and we appreciate how ypu taught us how to manage people with different opinions

[@Aimeeramarie]

Love this interview and the way Tim communicates. His ability to articulate the way our faith is necessary and needed in a relationships and our approaches in communication with each other. Tim clearly showed how being intentional in listening to understand each other and just being the light for the body of Christ is necessary. And I love him quoting Dr.Anita for who is the strongest has the healthiest nervous system has the most power...🗣THIS INTERVIEW🔥🔥so many nuggets!

[@amberjohnson9880]

I’d never heard of Hardly Initiated before today and I’d seen clips of Princella, but very clips as she fell off my algorithm as I prune what I take in. Tim, I tried to watch the whole conversation but could not finish it. Thank you for not taking the bait the hosts were attempting to lay down.

[@melissacarter1486]

Tim, thank you for letting her talk. When she opened up about the military, I was like yep that's true. I tried hard to make the men forget that I was a female so they wont worry about me in battle or during mission. It made them real comfortable to do and say what they want to be accepted. But the really don't forget because they still want you. Best of 2 worlds for them. It took me to the end of my military career to change my mindset. But yes I agree with the both of you.

[@DoublEdgeSpirit]

Wow interpreting Dreams and bringing healing is top tier love grateful for your ministry, The real realities of life and the ugly parts brought to light is just beautiful

[@musulistentoyourbody6024]

This entire show was a Blessing to my spirit! I had pancakes from nursing 2 children & remember wishing I had bigger breasts until I got breast cancer in 2012 & 2018! 6 reconstructive surgeries later, I would NEVER WISH THIS ON MY WORST ENEMY!

[@michaelbanks1322]

Tim... you thought 3000 subscribers.... God said let me bless you 100 fold! Been subscribed to this channel and your IG for a few months now and I GREATLY appreciate you and your approach/perspective! Love your content, your ministry, and your anointing sir! Watched the HI pod with Ms. Princella this morning and I have to say that your handling of the conversation was the definition (in my opinion) of what it means to be CHRIST LIKE! GOD BLESS you sir in all that you do and I hope you and your team have a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Excited for what's to come!

[@ashleyfranklin4708]

After today’s episode I FINALLY bought “Never Split the Difference”. I’ve wanted to read it since you had Mr. Voss in the Basement, but various issues prevented me from getting it. I got it on audiobook & am very excited to start. I believe this is going to be a great tool in my belt.

[@Thefashionengineer]

Me too! Had to buy it! It’s free with kindle unlimited

[@nellie_wm]

“You cannot get offended and curious at the same time”!!!

[@user-qx9cs8bk3x]

Thank you for spreading the gospel in such a compassionate way that it just melts unsaved hearts of stone. I also love that you are reaching the young adults. I’m praying that you and your family stay protected and your ministry continues to prosper in Jesus name.

[@patricejones7905]

Even if she was hurt and in pain it came from men. We can’t act like all of our pain made us stronger and made us seek out the reason why these things happen to not just us to most women. And the cause is men. If men take responsibility for men it would happen less. If men see women as valuable it would happen less. We can’t say Jesus cause as you mentioned these Christians male leaders be doing the same thing. The solution is makes need to elevate or move aside and let the natural nurtures restore the earth.

[@erock9594]

Men she chose

[@janice3086]

Yessssss I agree she was right about her assessment about men! She’s talking about MEN in there broken fallen spiritual state. Glad you went on to try to help her understand that JESUS came to redeem us. Men’s redemption from operating in their lower nature is found in Jesus! So yesss she has a lot of valid points, but there is Hope!! 😊😊❤❤ Keep up the good work Don’t ever leave kingdom language

[@naviifra2374]

Most men behave the way Princella said

[@iriscage1948]

One more point, religious philosophy is necessary. We can all agree on that. But we're still talking about the 1% .... What about the 99%..... The majority of people will still have these experiences. Learning the scientifically proven behaviors of the male will help us navigate these murky relational waters and avoid the wolves

[@Mysasser1]

1:00:34 send this to P. Where the f this come from... um...

[@lanialee7666]

Princella is a jewel. Those who know, just know. Religion uses women to further the cause… separation is a good thing for us.

[@rochellejones-thomas6754]

When you said Dr. Anita Philips was coming on my first thought was well I am not watching that pod because I don’t agree with much of her philosophy but after learning from Tim I said, disagreeing with her philosophy isn’t the same as disagreeing with her Theology!!! Wup!🥰

[@BettersAthletesOnly]

Have you read The Garden Within or watched the sermon The Decision Tree, by Anita Phillips ?

[@lisabowman877]

Let’s go back to Wednesday!!! I was there!!! Let’s talk about it!!!

[@Shanice___Loves]

She needs so much therapy, healing, and hugs. The pain has captured her heart so much it’s hardened. I wish her the best.

[@beyou-tvision]

This is why she didn't talk about her past. Her message is completely lost in y'all making her a victim. I know her message is way outside of the current paradigm. She needs to be heard and understood rather than your diagnosis and hugs.

[@kendriahudson4747]

@@beyou-tvisionall this canned fake concern is going to make me vomit. These people are numb.

[@besure471]

Smh these comments

[@kendriahudson4747]

@UpRyzeQueen they’re TRYING to dismiss her message but you can’t dismiss the truth. Funny how “focus on the message not the messenger” only applies when these “Christian” women are listening to “reformed” pimps and players 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@erock9594]

Pain she brought to herself