Is this the FUTURE of cymbal making?

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Is this the future of cymbal making? It is really an amazing time that we can get so close to the craftsmen and women that create our instruments. I sent Lasse Funch my 1956 old K zildjian to be cloned and he sent me back an absolutely incredible instrument. I hope you all agree.
Here is a gear list:
Cymbals:
20" Old Stamp IIIc K Zildjian
20" Funch
14" Intermediate Stamp K Zildjian
Gretsch Drums:
Renown
18X14
12X8
14X14
14X5.5 Craviotto Birdseye maple
Recording Gear:
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
(2) AKG C1000s
BD - Audio Technica ATM250DE
SD - Audix D2 and SM57 Bottom
Blackmagic
ATEM mini ISO Extreme
Cameras:
Sony a6600
Sony a6400
Sony ZV-E10
GoPro Hero 9

[@mattbridges8908]

There sure is something special about that old K. The Funch makes the perfect companion to it. Not twins, but sisters.

[@JimDooley]

This is a perfect example of standing on the shoulders of giants. He accentuated all the sweet spots of the original.

[@TimMetz]

Well said!

[@faperito2389]

I feel like you were instrumental to saving a sound and a cymbal making technique from the passing of time. Now someone knows how to clone it, and it's on the internet. Now we'll have 50 K's forever!!! Literally something to get emotional over.

[@dogmart]

Funch sounds fantastic. Plus, I love how Funch creates experiments to capture different players' sounds.

[@TimMetz]

He’s doing amazing work.

[@LDdrums20]

They are not exactly the same pitch but they do share the complexity. Absolutely beautiful

[@TimMetz]

Thanks so much!

[@ThomZek]

The Funch’s replica sounds extraordinary good. It sounds to me like it “unveils” the cymbal and lets it sings to its full potential. Great work!

[@TheRealWillGeronimo]

That Funch left side ride is ridiculous!!! For my ears the left side ride Funch has that sweet dark sound! Love it

[@TimMetz]

I know right!

[@dividedwords]

I think the Funch takes it. The stick sound and its separation from the metal sound is just about perfect. I also think the old K has probably settled down so much that the rivets are choking it, and it would benefit from having at least half of them removed.

[@TimMetz]

Yeah, I might take the rivets out... another video perhaps?

[@bikemayer1]

Typically they put rivets in cymbals that didn’t sound great.

[@rodneyvandenoever]

agree, too many rivets for my taste

[@elithepitbulldog2209]

The fact that both work well together is a plus!

[@TimMetz]

Totally agree!

[@mikestix78]

I agree! I'd rather have two different pitches that compliment each other than the same exact sound and cymbal.

[@ericg01]

Again.. bravo for having done this interview video. Lasse definitely has a gift, the talent and a hell of an ear to pick up every little subtilities of a cymbal. There is just this little more "butter" on the Funch that gives it somewhat more life. Definitely two great cymbals and I will be curious to hear how Lasse's will age.

[@TimMetz]

Thank you!

[@nicholaswood821]

I'm having a bit of a shell shock today because I've played jazz drums for 13 years, and it goes without saying how much I love great cymbals. Until today, when discovered funch cymabls, I did not know it was even possible to make something better than a vintage K. yet somehow he has done the impossible. I am speechless!

[@mentalitydesignvideo]

The Funch is significantly better and sounds a lot like the best old K's I've encountered: it has no conflicting tones within it (no "warble") and the separation between the stick click and the underlying wash is just amazing. Thank God there's a source now for what we all thought to be a lost sound!

[@stevey5386]

Just purchased a Funch 22” 2483g Billy Higgins tribute. Incredible cymbal! Just used it on 4 different gigs from holiday background music to a piano trio. This weekend a guitar trio. Absolutely astounding cymbal!

[@TimMetz]

Congratulations sounds like a beautiful cymbal!

[@TempoDrift1480]

I was thinking this reminded me of Christmas.

[@MJTNick]

Great and very informative video. It’s fantastic to hear from talented craftsmen who know so much about cymbal making. I always found it interesting that drummers are kind of obsessed with those early Ks in an effort to achieve the sound of the Jazz greats, but using cymbals that have now aged 60 to 70 years since that era. With today’s knowledge (and also exchange of knowledge), techniques and some guys’ craftsmanship, I have the impression there is hardly anything that can’t be achieved in modern cymbals.

[@TimMetz]

Yeah, they have that sound, but seems like you can get it now AND have a connection with the person that made it. Can't be beat.

[@rogerringold616]

Its great ....but its cheating....they did it the hard way....now computers tell you the answers...better tools....not better craftsman. But its progress...

[@TimMetz]

No computers were used in the cloning of this cymbal.

[@bonzomio]

Hi Tim! I just discovered Funch cymbals the other day through Drum Forum and now I ran across your video. Somebody's trying to tell me something. They are absolutely marvelous sounding cymbals. I just had two K Con MTL's modified by Timothy Roberts and really digging those. It's fun to have something made specifically for yourself. Enjoy!

[@TimMetz]

Sounds like the universe is speaking. Lol! Timothy Roberts is doing great work too! Thanks so much for watching!

[@TheGlendrum]

Funch sounds incredible! Great playing Tim!

[@TimMetz]

Thanks so much!

[@bobblues1158]

Lasse Funch is also a very good drummer!!!!! I know, I have played with him here in Copenhagen.

[@TimMetz]

That’s awesome! I bet he always has amazing cymbals. Lol!

[@Gretschnut]

Like them both, but that old K has such a beautiful, woody, articulate stick sound and it really cuts. I think that you could not only support a small combo, but could drive a big band with that cymbal.

[@drummersagainstitk]

I wish all cymbal makers success.

[@TimMetz]

Same! cheers!

[@Cymbalgroove]

I love your old K but I agree the Funch actually sounds better. Thanks for the video Tim.

[@TimMetz]

Thanks for watching!

[@drumcoachnyc]

WOW! That was my reaction when you hit that Funch. It's SO close it's nuts, I did NOT expect that!!!! The K has maybe a little more of a "hum" and the Funch is a bit more perfect functionally. I do like the bell of the K better. Also I think it's crazy that cymbals like that came out of a factory. But man, really LOTS of respect for FUNCH!!!! I want one too!!!! Great channel too by the way!

[@TimMetz]

Thanks so much for watching!

[@AlanWongASHI-ATSU]

i agree with you. your Funch ride is immaculate. embrace its beauty!

[@mikestix78]

They work so well together! I'm kind of in the same boat in that I've bought a few cymbals from him and all are amazing! But more than that, I special ordered a k dark complex clone from Paul Francis and he hit it out of the park, even though that like your Funch and K, the pitches are different the CHARACTER and ESSENCE of the original is in spades in the clone. It's a great time to be a player, collector or....cymbalholic!

[@TimMetz]

That’s awesome! Paul is doing amazing work.

[@citydrums7525]

Both sound epic. No small feat.

[@user-ub6hd3nd4l]

He has captured that sound....The ''K'' is a bit heavier, but they actually work well together.We have Ottaviano cymbals here in Connecticut,and he is making some killer cymbals.

[@franckdr808]

love funch cymbals ! great job , he regenerate mysterious sound of the past , this can't be done without a huge love for music

[@TimMetz]

He’s a great drummer too!

[@sethbaer7567]

I think it's F....n amazing that he can do that good of a replication of the sound.

[@TimMetz]

Same!

[@cooldude2847]

Fantastic work. Gotta say I like the pitch of the K more.

[@gregedenfield1080]

two totally different instruments, totally...love your playing Tim. I would keep both on my kit, they complement each other (brother-sister?)

[@TimMetz]

Thanks so much!

[@theswime945]

Just found this! Funch crown but K bell for me. I daren't even look at Funch prices right now... Lovely post & lovely playing. Cheers.

[@jarrahdrum]

I most definitely prefer The Funch, but they do pair very well. The Funch is the night and the K is the Day

[@TimMetz]

I'm with you. I still love the K though.

[@markielinhart]

A very late night though🌻

[@sipzter]

Old cymbal, old ears. Is that why I like the K better? The F is what, almost a whole step higher? It sounds nice and certainly could be used for jazz, but when he touches the K, that's the mellow tone I dig!

[@Fauxshow2008]

Great Video AND cymbal! I’ve been listening to and have subscribed to the Funch page. He’s really great!

[@ZionGuySupreme]

Dope! The Funch has more spread and the K has a trashier attack with a short decay maybe because what you mentioned earlier that the K has more weight in the bow and a more pronounced hook towards the edge.

[@TimMetz]

That’s what I hear anyway. Thanks for watching!

[@TalentScoutLightsout]

I think both cymbals work very well together. That one cymbal has made it 100 years.. and not cracked... Survived tests of time...

[@davidknibbs9646]

Unbelievable sound. I wish I could afford something like that amazing 👏 great job on both of them 👏

[@eskoniiranen9294]

Got my first Funch just like a month ago and I absolutely love it!

[@Caligulon]

Zildjian. Excellent drumming, by the way.

[@TimMetz]

Thank you!

[@michaelsikora6739]

I was introduced to the cymbal Masterpieces of Roberto by a Good Friend now departed; he had a collection of some 35 cymbals by the time he passed. I too made a number of Pilgrimages to Lee's house myself and although I HAVE Thinned the Herd, I still have several and this Artist is without a doubt destinated to be on the same level, Congrats to you AND him!! I do feel there's more spread to the Funch instrument and it has a clearly a lower Fundamental pitch as well. How the cymbal feels under the stick is important too but that seems to be on par with the other attributes as you demonstrated it in this video!!

[@jazzhole8208]

Wow, i'm amazed how close he got with his copy of the old k . .. it almost sounds identical, just a bit wider . .. and of course, beautiful playing Mr.Metz 🔥

[@TimMetz]

Thanks Markus! He did amazing work!

[@jeremiahdomer4657]

I think owning them now them would be good. They sound awesome

[@Colby_Earleywine]

I prefer the Funch, lower fundamental pitch. Wonderful job on getting it close, I’ve heard the same model Zildjians sound further apart. I’d put the Funch in the main ride position and the old K left side. 😎

[@stevewilcock4767]

Beautiful textures. In my opinion they're both sonically matched. Hats off.Cheers.

[@TimMetz]

Thanks for watching!

[@brandonfaulknermusic]

I can't pick a fav...they compliment each other very well. however, I am more fond of darker sounds. they sound great!

[@TimMetz]

Fair enough!

[@kushking420]

Nice drumming man, Really love the new one, but like one said below they work so great together

[@TimMetz]

They really do. I’ve used them both on gigs and haven’t been disappointed.

[@kicksnarehats11]

Now, I presumably did carry over your bias into my listening but what jumps out at me immediately is how much more "alive" the Funch sounds. The Old K, as legendary and beautiful as it is, sounds like ... well, old brittle metal, compared to the Funch. I'm right there with you on this one. Great video and thanks for introducing this cymbal maker to us. You've got a new subscriber!

[@bennymalone]

Funch are pure butter, best I’ve ever heard I think

[@BobSchoepenjr]

Wow Tim that Funch Cymbal sounds amazing. And than the way you comped it, respect.

[@TimMetz]

I totally agree. Thanks so much!

[@seanwalsh999]

The Funch sounds more modern, I guess because it is not as dark. The old K was pretty good as ride but you had to hit it with just the right force and zone, and when that happened I can see how you could swing on that all day.

[@karllager2214]

Cymbals are amazing. What a complicated instrument.

[@TimMetz]

I’m always amazed by them!

[@karllager2214]

@@TimMetz the repro sounded amazing. I def need more money. Cheers.

[@ghostandbell2006]

"thanks for noticing " ☆♡ the thumbnail comment/full circle/ah-hah! yesssss

[@TimMetz]

Thanks for noticing.

[@emigran7472]

You need BOTH for different sections of each tune. I'm 75 and have been playing drums since I'm 14. Still have an old k with that tone and dazzling wash. Also a 21 Constantinople k that alludes to that wonderful sound. You came across a really fantastic find thanks.

[@earldrum]

I like the sound of the Funch better … it seems extremely musical without the weird overtones of that old k … but it’s funny we keep trying to recreate these mysterious cymbals of old! I’m sure the cost of the funch cymbal is more than the best k copy of the major cymbal companies, but less than buying an old over priced K, that are usually not a really great sounding cymbal, but it’s a K!

[@TimMetz]

His prices are on his website and at the time of this video at least are very reasonable.

[@UltraRareCustom]

Tim you're still awesome ! remember watching you over a decade ago. amazing cymbals, loved the talk with Funch ! i think the clarity is much better on the Funch, where the K gets a bit washed out quicker

[@TimMetz]

Ooof. Has it been that long?

[@UltraRareCustom]

@@TimMetz you’ve aged like fine cheese,…! or is it wine..? lol

[@HardbatProductions]

That was amazing. Gotta get one!

[@TimMetz]

Thanks Scott! We'll do an order soon.

[@michaelandcolinspop]

So frickin’ awesome to see a cymbalsmith talk cymbals. I’ve always loved Zildjians and own several As that sound wonderful. But, the finest sounding hi-hats I’ve ever heard were a pair of really old (OLD!) Ks that one of the directors for our state honor band brought for us to use in the ‘90s. Maybe one day, if I ever break one of my A crashes or get tired of my New Beats, I’ll bite the bullet and pick up a K or two.

[@TimMetz]

Thanks for watching!

[@916drummer]

So cool! I’m getting a 2nd 20” delivered on Friday.

[@TimMetz]

Nice! I want to hear it!

[@TempoDrift1480]

Yeah I think so. I'm not a jazz guy but I like jazz and that cymbal makes me think of an old timer in a long dark wool coat in the winter walking down a New York sidewalk. The type of guy that looks scary but turns out he's not at all. That's a damn nice cymbal. Id like to get in touch with this cat.

[@TimMetz]

Thanks for watching!

[@TheQuestion31]

I think the K is more of a "left side ride" since it's washier. That Funch sounds amazing!

[@michelboudreau3801]

The Funch is by far the best

[@weareallbeingwatched4602]

Yes. This is great. Danish industry and craftsmanship is notoriously excellent.

[@TimMetz]

He really knocked it put of the park with this one.

[@Encounterpart]

The new cymbal (the one on the left from the birds eye view anyway) is my clear favourite.

[@otherjonstewartguitar]

Just amazing. Yes, the Funch is that good, that special, it isn't just you.

[@Ds_Drums]

I like the Funch better too. They together compliment each other well but if I had to pick one, the Funch would be it.

[@TimMetz]

Thank you! That's why it is always in my cymbal bag. Don't like playing gigs without it anymore.

[@jonashellborg8320]

They both sound amazing. Together? Oh wow, incredible.

[@garyguthrie1507]

I like both! ( love your playing as well!)

[@TimMetz]

Thank you!

[@MrUnowish1]

Love the new ones sound. Killer tone.

[@jasonesty3880]

Wow they sound great together! Like point counter point style. Fantastic playing by the way.

[@NEALBABBITT]

I like the old one better, I think it's higher pitched. They sound very similar but the pitch is different.

[@TimMetz]

Thanks so much for watching. I love to k too. It’s nice to have options.

[@musshwins412]

The Funch, to my ear, sounds higher. It is a nice contrast to the low of the original K. Together you have a very sweet set of cymbals.

[@TimMetz]

They do work well together.

[@fredrikh3547]

Wonderful indeed!

[@TimMetz]

Thank you!

[@funkymystic]

Very cool video! Also, great playing!

[@TimMetz]

Thanks so much!

[@Nate_Higgins]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with the new one. Slightly higher pitch. They're both incredible. I love a flat profile small bell cymbal. You have a lovely touch on the instrument too. You're well deserving of those beauties.

[@jeffcrousedrums1584]

Wow! Beautiful.

[@TimMetz]

Thanks so much! Lasse did amazing work.

[@ckr430]

They both sound great.. and it’s nice to see you using Wood tip sticks

[@TimMetz]

Thanks so much! I was waiting For the wood tip comment. Lol!

[@ckr430]

@@TimMetz ha ha

[@georgemickel6608]

Awesomeness.. I'd love to add a Funch 24" sizzle ride to my collection. Thanks for the video! Happy Holidays, George

[@CraigLauritsen]

Both beautiful cymbals and a pleasure to hear them. Beautiful job by Funch. Trying to copy the lathe chatter is definitely next level. Congrats.

[@tihinter]

wish that you had shown the position and model of overhead mics and the total height of your room. since we are talking bout recorded sound, mics and placement make a huge impact on the overall feel. and this is of importance, as classic jazz styles are in fact highly connected with those classic recordings of the grand ol days. just my 2 ct. anyhow, great comparison between the two, and great playing style! count me interested in the funch brand, now.

[@alishatruman]

wow the articulation of the one on the right is perfect with those sticks

[@MrChriscolins]

Thanks for our vidéos is pretty interesting ! Some cymbal maker are in our way now and is the best future for some drummer ! Feel Free to listen Johan Nicolas Janicke cymbals there over way but he is very musical too !

[@BradMillsXRP]

Lathe chatter is from over hoging (going to deep) into the work piece with the tool bit beond it ability to cut smoothly at a cirtian RPM

[@davidkeepman4570]

I think you got two of the killinest Cymbals. Nice vid. Nice playing

[@Joe-yi8xj]

Stick sound on a good old k is always a few decibels louder or something and markedly tighter than anything modern, for better or worse. This seems to be reflected here. Modern cymbals almost always have a softer feel and vibe. Hard to Use words

[@cy2112cy]

This is great. I prefer the Funch. But while they sound very similar there is a definite pitch difference. I wonder if it’s truly possible to perfectly clone a cymbal like that. I would probably say no because of the human element involved. To me that’s what makes cymbals like that so special. Makes me proud to be a drummer!!

[@TimMetz]

I’m with you on that! Too many factors to get it exact I’m sure.

[@jarrahdrum]

everything sounds great

[@TimMetz]

Thank you!

[@aronfebles]

Sounds pretty awesome!

[@TimMetz]

I totally agree! Thanks for watching!

[@mightymrmousempls]

That Funch is like hearing God, how he imitated those lathing patterns is mind-blowing, that's some Sherlock Holmes stuff.

[@TimMetz]

He really got in there. Such amazing work.

[@mnretrogamer7189]

New one is ever darker than the vintage k!

[@Trays7940]

They both sound awesome. The F is a bit lower than the K. Again, both are awesome.

[@TimMetz]

Totally agree. Thanks for watching!

[@Wolfiecolada]

those heads are tight af!

[@TimMetz]

They’re not that tight, check out Max Roach. That’s tight!

[@wilberribeiro7966]

Beautiful cymbals! Both sound amazing and unique!

[@davidwebster7079]

The Funch is clearer, the ping is more crisp, the cup is great and the crash is way better.

[@c3N3q]

They sound very similar, given that the Funch is a tone lower than the K. And both sound great once you start riding them. Very interesting to hear about the lathing process.

[@ronvierra7451]

The K is more of a FULL RANGE sound, The highs attract me . Use them both on the gig ,their that different. If using just one cymble on the gig,....That K, we all like different sounds

[@sivispacemparabellum6923]

👍👍🏆🏆 *Nice Drum Kit Sound..Greetings from Germany - Cologne*

[@TimMetz]

Thanks so much!

[@thomasmoje5926]

I like both cymbals..beautiful smooth wash with good stick definition the Funch captures the essence of the Zildjian a bit different pitch but very close. If I had my eyes closed and didn't know they were different manufacturers..I might think they were both Zildjians the old ZIldjians had a lot of variability within same exact models. Both great cymbals I like the drum kit too. Nice job on that Funch cymbal that's a honey.

[@davebolig1989]

Multi purpose. Crashes well too. Great sound, obvious even on my phone. Jealous!

[@eddieavakian]

Funch yeah!

[@larlambe9563]

Both cymbals have their advantages and disadvantages. They both sound great the way you play them. I believe there are better bells though, if you like the clean crisp sound. The deep sounding cymbal blends well but the brighter cymbal adds more color. Edge crash is a little muddy for my taste on both cymbals. thanks (one person's opinion)

[@merdith6]

I have a 19 inch kerope and it's the best cymbol I've ever owned