PSE, Mathews, Hoyt, Bowtech First Impressions w/ Speed Test

PSE, Mathews, Hoyt, Bowtech First Impressions w/ Speed Test .. Tim Connor shoots the new lineup of bows for 2024 with ‪@podiumarcher3447‬ in this initial impressions video I shoot Mathews, Bowtech, Hoyt, and PSE and offer some first impressions. I also shot these bows through the chronograph with my arrow to do a speed test. #archery #hunting
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[@TimConnor13]

2024 bows are pretty great.. any other new bow content ya’ll like to see? Good luck if you’re still hunting!! Stay on that grind ✊

[@joshovans2850]

Really want to see the new athens axxis and to know if the new Hoyt go stix work on it lol

[@michaelc1839]

APA black mamba pro please. Pretty please.

[@BradyDay-r5n]

I would love to see a noise test demo.

[@timbow50]

For me, IMO, a smooth draw cycle allows for more control of the bow. Less drop into the valley and probably less all around wobble. This allows for a quicker easier pin to target alignment? Quicker setup time for your release on your face. SPEED IS NOT THE ANSWER in a hunting scenario. It’s the ability to maximize your control over the entire drawing and shot process. One of my favorite hunting rigs is the old Elite Ritual 33”. Only shoots my hunting arrow at 260 fps. But is butter smooth and 100% shot repeatable.

[@danwattsmessick]

I run a zip tie through the front of my limb legs to keep them from opening on their own. My bows rarely see a bow case as they typically just ride on the front seat so I hardly ever have to replace it. Works great.

[@Yenboung10]

Tim those shots early in the vid where you shot each bow cut to the other bows was sick!

[@TimConnor13]

Appreciate you!!

[@mariabrown1278]

The lift is very tempting.

[@dustinsilva8016]

Great video. I never see people judge bows by how easy they are to let down. That’s pretty important to me.

[@a-a-ron4870]

YO Valley Archery!!! I got a membership there. Just cool to see local YT videos. Just got a new subscriber Bowtech looked like it had the most movement after the release.seemed to jump forward

[@Angel.Custodio]

Love the video, especially because most reviews are done at 30” 70# with a 350 grain arrow. I find I search for draw cycle because as a 27.5” draw, I see the difference between the bows speed wise shrinks when you put a 450 grain arrow at the shorter lengths. Channels like extreme outfitters does a great job showing the shorter lengths and the lack of real difference compared to the feel.

[@TimConnor13]

Right on

[@huntsimple9527]

Great video. Solid. It is important to put velocity into perspective. The velocity difference between these bows, on a percentage basis, is very minor. The difference between the slowest bow and the fastest bow in this test was 3.57%. Moral of the story - velocity is not a big differentiator on a percentage basis. Bow Velocity % Diff from Lowest Core SS 283.8 1.28% Alpha X 280.2 0.00% Mach 30 289.2 3.21% Lift 29.5 290.2 3.57%

[@Clambelly]

I like your style. Great production videos. This might be the best Archery channel on KZbin

[@mjc_208]

Tip for the Mathew’s limb legs: use a Velcro strap on the front legs to keep them from getting nocked back accidentally.

[@anthonyforfare7223]

Great tip !👍😉 Thanks for sharing your wisdom 😊🥰🏹🎯

[@chrisweber5041]

I was in Jackson Michigan and the Core SS was flying off the shelves. I’m so tempted!

[@grayoutside]

Hey did you notice any change in the Mathews draw length this year? In the past I have found them to draw about 1/2 an inch longer than the hoyts I have owned.

[@TimConnor13]

MFJJ tests show they did a better job!

[@rugerboy270]

commenting from deer blind , you and the elk shape / podium /crew need to fly me in and take me hunting!!

[@TimConnor13]

Get it dude!!

[@rugerboy270]

@@TimConnor13 your videos are great man keep it up

[@dirtjunkie2749]

Digging the whitetail fit tp t-shirt. For mathews limb legs if you tie the front 2 together with a zip tie, they arent moving no matter what you run through. The lift 33 will be my 2024/2025 bow.

[@TimConnor13]

Good tip G

[@SandySmith-qd1ku]

Nice test guys really enjoyed this stuff, and yes the Lift grip does suck i tried the 33 and the grip angle made my forearm hurt.

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

Excellent overview once again Tim and Josh. All 4 great options, could have added the Prime RVX 32 in the mix. Although ATA is two inches longer that’s their shortest bow. Sadly I can’t afford any of them even if I sold my Prime Black 3. But each one has certain options and features that I like. Because I am mostly a ground hunter I like Hoyt’s bow stand option the best. I have already lost two off my Prime. 😢. The Bowtech in home tuning interest me and that Mathew’s is a great all around bow, but the accessories are expensive.

[@jp3andsome]

That Mathews looks so sharp! I bought a V3x right when it came out. Have seen the videos on the LIFT, and had to see one in person. I'll be ordering one after Xmas. Feels like a carbon bow as far as the weight.

[@IXpressThruSaxophone]

I shot them all and chose the evolve 33. I was at the top of the mod of the Hoyt so it was horrendous to shoot but felt the best built. The pse and mathews feel almost identical but the mathews felt so easy to shoot it didn’t feel like a hunting bow. The pse did feel better at full draw and the grip is a match in heaven for me. The Bowtech felt like an absolute tuning fork. All bows were shot as they come stock with nothing but a whisker biscuit

[@hunteradamson5024]

String angle feels better on the Mathews because it draws longer than a PSE.

[@skoolynugenator1802]

I think draw cycle is pretty important if it’s a cold day and you’ve been sitting all day. Stiff and cold drawing on any animal is a lot more difficult with a bow with a harsh draw cycle.

[@maxpeters6090]

That first edit had no reason to go that hard! 💪😤 keep up the good work

[@TimConnor13]

Appreciate it!!

[@donovanstockton44]

Love your videos but I disagree. Draw cycle is indeed important. In hunting on cold days it matters. Letting down when a deer isn't cooperating is important. Aggressive and stiff draw cycles will want to rip your arm out of your shoulder. Finally, draw cycle matters for repeatability. Every archer should be shooting their bow as much as possible. A better draw cycle makes that repetition more enjoyable.

[@quintonb9870]

Agreed, I don't care how much I like a bow, if the draw cycle sucks it's going in the bin. I had a Martin Anax and i shot it great, held great, super quiet, no vibration. Heavy, but that doesn't matter much to me. However I absolutely hated the draw cycle. So I moved it along.

[@Luke2002]

Key word MOST important

[@tobylester6476]

Draw cycle is absolutely key.

[@nathanmccutchen5272]

None of the new bows have a “harsh” draw cycle. What most people notice is draw cycles that’s different than what they’re currently shooting

[@southfloridanick]

@@nathanmccutchen5272 Agree. These are not the PSE speed bows from 15yrs ago

[@dougmullins88]

Great video...I am a short stature person myself and was looking for the review of all the bows in the video...thanks. Question - where did you get the "Is my target panic showing?" t-shirt?

[@dylanmieth9646]

Enjoy the videos, but comparing the mathews with a $290 dollar rest vs the PSE/Bowtech with a $20 whisker biscuit doesn't seem fair to me. When I switched from a standard QAD to and Integrate on my Hoyt, I saw a pretty decent change in how the bow felt and shot.

[@michaelc1839]

Timbo ! You got to get a review up on that new APA black mamba pro. That thing looks nuts.

[@PAKraig]

Excellent, unbiased video Tim! Tell Josh to just delete his other, similar review video, and just get your permission to use this one instead. Disappointed to not see any RX8 content, but I do understand that the price is going to turn off many buyers.

[@TimConnor13]

More videos more better.. allows for diversity in opinion

[@PAKraig]

@@TimConnor13 That was mostly tongue in cheek, but fair point. Not everyone is a 29" draw 👍

[@sinepari9160]

I'm tempted to pick up a bowtech this year. It's the only brand I haven't owned yet, and every year, when I try out the newest bows, they impress me.

[@johncannady6105]

Great job Tim!! Decisions, decisions! 🤔😉 Does the new Lift come with the SCS system installed? Every one I've seen has it.

[@adamkilgore2902]

good video but wondering why in these you never throw the Primes in the mix?

[@mohawksniper79]

31 is a good all around size i found im a hunter if everything from mouse to moose to geese. The Mathews bow kinda looks like if you drop it on a rock it will fold up does not look strong definitely gonna be keeping an eye on the hunting forms this year to see if that happens.

[@TangoOne]

I'm typically a Hoyt guy but I'm torn between the Alpha x 33 and LIFT 33. I still haven't shot either yet but the speed of that Mathews surprised me

[@hack.hunter84]

Just getting around to watching.. Great Video brother!!!

[@deanbrantley]

I don’t think there is a tree stand bow, ground blind, eastern/western bow. As a life time tree stand hunter in the south of shot bows from 40” Ata to 28”. Be aware of your cams and they all kill the same. I’ve saddle hunted the last 2 season with an Inline 5 without any issues.

[@willnose757]

It’s all marketing. Back in the early 2000’s a certain manufacturer marketed their new short bows for the treestand and ground blind hunter, and saturated their advertisements with the idea that only short bows could be used in those situations. It’s true that they may help, but some people (like me) prefer a stable platform…and believe I or not, I’m from the EAST and hunt with 34-35” bows! 🤯 Like Jack Wallace said in an interview several years ago…There are quality bow companies and there are marketing companies. I’m sure that the company he was talking about is a quality company, but I think they also saturate their marketing with a lot of BS as well. And now, back to hunting… I need to pull my bow up with my prototype “Stealthy and Secure Connection String.” Don’t tell anyone it is just a 25’ parachute cord! I’m going to sell them soon for $69.99 each!!

[@mlinkfit]

I know you can't to all the bows made but I would love to see you get your hands on the new Athen Axxis and see how it stacks up. I think it will be a new favorite. Just thoughts for future content.

[@huntmulies39]

Nice to see you figured out how to get allot of views. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@o.n.e.wayhunting]

Having shot them all (70lb/29"), the Lift 33 easily wins the draw cycle war, and the Bowtech Core SR was a surprising second for me in comfort. The Lift 29.5 felt maybe a tad stiffer than others, but smooth, and then the Alpha X. Literally splitting frog hair though with the exception of the Lift 33, which was easily the best draw and far and away the easiest to let down. My biggest concern now is reports of cable and cam contact on the Lifts from the factory.

[@TimConnor13]

Try the core SS!

[@nathansampson4162]

I think people don’t put enough emphasis on how a bow looks to you the shooter. It’s the same with guns,golf clubs or anything that’s in front of your face while using. If it looks good to YOU this builds confidence and comfort.

[@AlexTroska]

I personally felt like the Matthews really wanted to jump off the back wall if you weren't really keeping strong pressure on the back wall, even at 85%, but I am coming off of shooting a ventum 33 so I feel like I would get used to it over time.

[@TimConnor13]

I used to feel that with phase 4.. maybe my form has changed!

[@louis-jeanbraye9834]

yes my friends a bow can be tried :) 3 or 4 :) and your choice will be quickly made :) if we are good with bingo :) I always consider myself a beginner and yet I have been shooting pulleys since 1993 :) I pulled to the right :) I switched to left for the pulleys :) and now I pull to the right with my left and since yesterday I pull well to the left with the left and therefore to the right too :) thank you life I don't see well since always :( I am put 3 pins of darts :) I put the notch in the center of the target and for my right I choose black center pin or the left between black and the white pins so my capricious sight undulates from above down and from right to left :( it's moving!!! so I concentrate on shooting 3 arrows grouped :) I tell myself I'm shooting well and I hit the center with my bowtech soldier 25/40# from 2011 my master told me the joy is enough and pulls well! L-J :) your videos are very good well done :) thank you ♥

[@brendawells7025]

Hey guys I’m looking for a new bow I like the lift but my draw weight is around 46 to 48 is that not the best option ? Looking at pse. But I love all the new festures Mathew’s has to offer I don’t like the prima and I have an image so wanted backup bow.

[@win300mag1]

While I certainly prefer a smooth draw cycle, I shot a Bowtech RPM 360 for years at 70 lbs and never had an issue. I got used to it pretty quickly and I could honestly shoot that bow extremely well…when the limbs were in one piece anyways 😂😉

[@Vondoobie]

Did you feel like the string angles were all about the same?

[@matthewkyle6939]

I always get a kick out of the go sticks or Mathew’s stand thing. Extra weight for little to no value for hunting.

[@Ryder626]

To whom this might help.....? I have a Hoyt RX5, I absolutely love it. I thought about buying the new RX8 after listening to reviews. But it shot exactly like my Rx5. Seriously, there is no difference in the way it shoots, or at least not enough to make me buy it. Today I tried the new Matthews lift. With all the reviews I watched on that bow, I was excited to try it. But I was extremely disappointed, the drawback was horrible, and when I got in my shooting, stance to relax and make the shot. I had to keep pulling back on that bow. Otherwise, it wanted to fire forward as I was still holding it back. I hated it. It was exhausting to shoot. Plus, it felt as if I was pulling back 75lbs when it was set at 65lbs the same as my Hoyt RX5, and my RX5 is like pulling back butter it's so easy. Then I tried the PSE mach 34. I Absolutely loved it, way more than I was expecting. It was set at 70 lbs, and it felt like i was pulling back 60 lbs. And it was a very fast bow, It was fantastic. Now I liked the PSE mach 34 so much I want one . But I love my Hoyt RX5 so much I can't part with it. For the first time in my life, I feel like I want to own 2 bows. But it feels unlogical . I haven't shot the hoyt Alpha x, but if it shoots anything like the RX5 and RX8, it's absolutely worth buying over the Matthews lift bow especially if you don't want to go to the carbon bow. Hope that helps someone out there who is trying to decide on a new bow.

[@joshovans2850]

Does the Hoyt go stix fit good on the pse?

[@TimConnor13]

Yes

[@aaronthompson2906]

Need to do one on the APA Black Mamba

[@ryanleach3936]

Why did you leave the Bear Persist out?

[@codysmith7456]

We all know josh is a double agent sponsored by bowtech and mathews

[@TimConnor13]

Lol

[@tomradke1121]

You guys should talk about string angle and shoot ability

[@all4freedom100]

I’ve seen him shoot TAC…..he’s definitely not a sponsored shooter.

[@sallen2941]

Fmrj or what ever he goes by is wrong when he says no to adjusting your draw length (@ about 4:25 mark). You should always put the DL where you feel most comfortable. While I agree your dl doesn’t change (that’s what he’s basically saying) string angle does. I’ll also agree that you will probably need to make adjustments in your anchor from time to time. Or even length of loop or what ever it takes to get where the bow feels right to you. But just because you’ve been told or determined in some why your DL is 29” (or what ever) doesn’t mean you adjust every bow you ever pick up to the factory setting of 29”. Heck there’s any easy 1/2 or more variation between manufacturers. Everyone knows a Mathews 29” doesn’t equal say a PSE 29”. You can’t always comfortably and repeatedly only adjust your anchor/form to get where you need to be. And even in the manufactures bows most people aren’t going to shoot a 29ata bow on the same dl as they do say a 36” ata bow. To be clear I’m not saying you’re going to have a huge swing either. You’re not gonna shoot that sub 30ata bow on 31” and a 38”ata bow on 28”. But you’d almost assuredly shoot them on different dl to achieve something close to the same anchor.

[@timfinlayson2061]

Just curious why the same rest wasn't used on speed test!

[@waynehumphrey8910]

I just want a bow that can guarantee me 1 inch groups At 100yd any suggestions

[@TimConnor13]

Yeah the groupshooter6000

[@tybell203]

Slow mo shots at the beginning was great… did you see the flex in the PSE riser? Yikes

[@brucehillbillybarthalow3786]

Trophy Ridge makes a pic rail adapter for their sights great brand

[@brownlax16]

Were they the hoyt go stix on the pse?

[@MostlyPeacefulCombatVet]

Yes

[@Easternandoutward]

Can anybody in the industry answer me one question how come most companies are going away from single cam bows ?

[@Getdownorlaydownbum]

I hunt the thickest stuff you can imagine for wild hogs I carry the lift with the limb legs never have I had them fall off due to branches lol before that happens you will feel intense pressure yanking on your bow😂 that is not a concern brother

[@vm859]

Why the heck didnt bowtech just put a pic rail for the sight? Isnt pic not patented?

[@jackbuendgen389]

They own black gold so they probably told their goons to make a dove tail that will only fit in their bows. I'm surprised they haven't gotten rip cord to make an exclusive integrate rest only for their bows too.

[@TimConnor13]

I agree

[@jeffspencer7489]

Anyone use black gold?

[@jeffspencer7489]

Somewhat funny to me that manufacturers are given kudos for weight and then you can add weight back to keep it from feeling squirrelly. Weight in and of itself isn't a driver.

[@vm859]

@@jeffspencer7489 I have a pro 3 pin on my levitate. Micro pin adjustment system jammed up on me and they fixed it. If I were to get another black gold it would be the pro hunter. No micro pins and lot of the other features of the pro. Theyre pretty light weight and the pins are bright.

[@rymoy4923]

Thoughts on APA Black Mamba 31?

[@brucehillbillybarthalow3786]

Hoyt is made in the USA . They are owned by Easton arrows.

[@CrashFang]

In my opinion, Mathews leaves the grip the way they do because people have their own opinion on grips and would rather you change that grip to what you like.

[@vfonte218]

Bowtec is definitely winning in the adjustment game

[@antonb8422]

That itchy trigger finger annoys the heck out of me 😂 Like a golfer with the yips.

[@jordanpowell228]

Tim have you ever tried shooting at 28 or 28.5 inches on your dl? Your fletchings are touching your beard on some shots. I'd be willing to bet you'd be more accurate

[@davefabian2942]

I think you need an asterisk on your speed test, some bows had a drop away rest others had a biscuit rest, there is 2 or 3 fps difference there, correct?

[@Irockthedrums08]

Man that bowtech is loud tho

[@hillsandhollars2883]

Interested in knowing why you and FMJJ never consider a Prime bow?

[@brysonhollar]

Man that unsightly paint chip on that PSE

[@JT-LV]

You talk about the bowtech being smooth but that dump at the end of the cycle, yikes. You can even hear the bow rattle.

[@kirkmclaney9184]

The Lift limb issues is a big disappointment.

[@zer0875]

Easy Lift 33

[@earlofcockwood1988]

Where is Elite? You never consider elite🥺

[@ShawnGilbert1967]

Shop owner once again leaning heavily in favor of the LIFT, stop pretending dude your absolutely gonna shoot that bow and continue to push it and that's OK lots of innovation...just own it ( or he makes more margin on it )... Jumping back in Hoyt was my Primary, but I'm a DIY guy, always had my own press, paper tuning setups ( when it was rare ) ect...ive been worried about parallel and over parallel limbs with what's required to do that to ME the stand out is... Bowtech... First its got a 31" draw closest to fitting me, and a ton of adjustability some of which bow shops near me aren't even gonna do so I'd have to do it myself anyway....I understand why a proshop wouldn't push a bow the buyer can do more himself with but still...... I'd like to know what invoice to dealer cost is on each of these bows to get a truly unbiased review.... The biggest drawback to the bowtech is there are 2 things I looked forward to in tech jumping back in higher than 55% letoff LOL, and sight/rest/stabilizing tech...that limited sight option was a terrible choice they should have launched it with an adapter of some kind minimum or user pica tinny

[@tommyhorne1039]

This channel is so biased!

[@joninisley6275]

If it wasn’t a Mathews you would whine about the draw cycle 😂

[@takuroshinji2445]

Im not 100% sure but it looked like you change your bow grip A LOT you might try to get it more on your palms bottom pressure point.