Time, Taste, and the Organ Case

[@peterfennema3112]

Excellent! I watched the whole thing and learned so much. Thank you!

[@kontrahylian]

This is absolutely tremendous and Informative, I hope possibly to see and buy Mr. Bellocchio's book if it gets published. As for that last organ he showed before he concluded the lecture, I remember seeing it on Facebook and I jokingly said "Somebody as an organbuilder must really like bring your kid to work day."

[@agogobell28]

This was a phenomenally interesting lecture and presentation!! Thank you so much for uploading it here.

[@Rl469]

A fabulous and fascinating presentation! Thank you for sharing it!

[@marcdorsett6935]

Wonderful, animated and a definitive look into the organ case! Superb!

[@alexross_organ]

That was awesome! Thank you so much for sharing this.

[@rbaltimo]

EXCELLENT LECTURE AND PRESENTATION

[@JontyTrain]

Really enjoyed that

[@pierrelauwers8719]

Splendid document !!!

[@peteacher52]

Strange not even a passing mention of William Leslie Sumner's classic tome on organ design, construction and principles of use. The background provided by this admittedly long in the tooth book enabled me the more to appreciate Mr Bellocchio's excellent presentation.

[@thomaswalters4365]

I always liked the Methuen Mem. Music Hall organ case.

[@thomaswalters4365]

The photo of the H&H in St. Mary's Northfield was shown for a couple seconds, but suddenly changed to a photo of the Metropolitan Museum of Art organ. (c'mon, give Vermont a break)

[@MitchellWeisiger]

When are you going the NYC and feature Riverside, St. Thomas etc?

[@MitchellWeisiger]

You are entitled to your opinion but I think you’re full of crap. And for your information, the organ is not the same as vigil had it build.

[@rbaltimo]

Thanks!

[@oliverfiedler8502]

a thousand thanks for this great, informative and at the same time entertaining and amusing contribution, a real pearl - thank you It's a shame that not nearly as much attention is paid to the design of the console the last two organs are: Neuried St.Niolaus (Gerald Woehl) and Augsburg St.Elisabeth (schmid-orgelbau) germany

[@matthewbellocchio5877]

Thank you so much for identifying those two organs!! Glad that you enjoyed the lecture! Twenty years ago, I did an AIO lecture about the development of detached mechanical action consoles. Maybe, someday I'll have time to revise that one as well.

[@oliverfiedler8502]

@@matthewbellocchio5877 that would really interest me (and I'm sure it's not just me) almost 30 years ago I had the opportunity (as a young student) to design a console for a 3 manual 103 stop organ (Dortmund Marten Immanuel Church), which was almost built that way ;-) a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for me

[@oliverfiedler8502]

​@@matthewbellocchio5877 i think that would be great (and I'm sure it's not just me) almost 30 years ago I had the opportunity (as a young student) to design a console for a 3 manual 103 stop organ (Dortmund Marten Immanuel Church), which was almost built that way ;-) i guess it was a once in a lifetime chance for me...

[@oliverfiedler8502]

@matthewbellocchio5877 St. Franz Xaver (Trudering) from the muenchnerorgelbau and Neue Pfarrkirche St. Johann Baptist (Haidhausen) from the freiburgerorgelbau are the other two organs JSBach (nickname ;-) from the german Pfeifenorgelforum found / knew them

[@1955mlynch]

Interesting presentation, but it has been weeks, now almost 2 months since a video has been released. I hope all is well.

[@holmespianotuning]

The nice thing about organ cases is there’s always something to complain about.

[@leonardschick5257]

Modern ones yes, I am sitting next to a 1701 Schnitger organ. Nothing to complain about this case🙂

[@leonardschick5257]

@richardharrold9736 Well, no pedal towers here. This organ is useful for Buxtehude (there are short octaves and the style is rather 17th century). But why do you believe Bach didn't like the Rückpositiv and pedal towers? There is absolutely no evidence for that. Bach had a Rückpositiv in Mühlhausen, Weimar and Leipzig. No opinion is reported. Jacob Adlung, another central German organist, hated the Rückpositiv. But he wasn't Bach. Adlung hated reeds as well. Agricola disagrees with Adlung about that and states that Johann Sebastian Bach really liked the reeds in Katharinenkirche Hamburg. And according to Agricola Bach was also very fond of the Principal 32' in that Katharinenkirche. The Principal 32' was in...pedal towers... No evidence that Bach disapproved that or the Rückpositiv...

[@leonardschick5257]

@richardharrold9736 Well, if you don't know Agricola.... he is one of the main sources about Bach's organ taste. I mean Johann Friedrich Agricola of course, who was a Bach pupil between 1739 and 1740 and who published Adlung, not the middle age guy. Thanks to Agricola we have some grasp on Bach's organ taste because he adds comments about Bach in Adlung's texts. Bach didn't design Altenburg. Bach did test the finished organ there and approved it. Bach was probably (!) involved in planing Naunburg, but there is not even evidence for that. We have no source about Bach liking or disliking the Rückpositiv.

[@leonardschick5257]

@richardharrold9736 We know almost nothing about the relationship Trost-Bach. Bach was often invited to test organs, so also for one Trost organ. It seems you are right that Bach was never happy with the organs in his home churches (strictly speaking we even don't have evidence for that...). The organs were old and/or small. But he like the very old Katharinenkirche organ in Hamburg, so maybe old was not even a matter. Maybe the organ was ok in Weimar, it had only 23 stops and was about 100 years old and much modified, but at least it had a 32'...

[@leonardschick5257]

Testing an organ meant that Bach just checked that everything written in the contract was there and made in good quality. It wouldn't include questioning the contract. The contract always included a stoplist and the name of the different manuals, Bach therefore would never question the stoplist in those documents.

[@Feldi09867]

Nrw organs pleas

[@Feldi09867]

Hello new organs pleas