Time To Talk About 8mm Cartridges - Season 3 Episode 12

[@ronniecoburn3897]

Ron you are the most knowledgeable person I know when it comes to guns, whether it be rifles or pistols and the ammunition that they fire in every size load. I always search for your videos to get to your knowledge because i trust you for the last word on anything on weaponry. Keep up the great work.

[@89fingerslouieXRP]

I've got a sweet shooting CZ Brno M21 in 8x57 that loves to harvest game up here in Canada.

[@bobjohnson7207]

Best Rifle ever made.

[@user-zk8tg8ko1u]

Glad to hear that! Greetings from Czech Republic 😊

[@davejones67]

Another fellow Canadian here from Langley, BC! Have an M48 in 8MM….missed out on all the Russian capture K98’s. They had boxes of them for $499 not long ago….now $1500 and up!

[@TheBowhunterinNB]

A hunting buddy took a big bull moose in NewBrunswick Canada this fall with that exact rifle /caliber . Great round

[@bulldrumm]

8x57 Zastava. Old, cheap and works. Military ammo, even.

[@larrycutting4514]

I used to hunt with an 8mm Mauser for deer and elk in the early and mid-70s. The 8mm had a short barrel and was great for dark timber when hunting both animals.

[@thomasdaum1927]

The 8mm REM mag is one of Bodingtons favorite cartridges ! It’s the parent cartridge of the 7 STW a great cartridge !……. Thanks Ron .

[@capt.america6296]

I had a 8mm/338. Not sure if it had a wildcat name, but you could use 375 H&H or 8mmRem brass and fire form it. It was no problem to throw 250 grain bullet over 3000 ft./s. It was an animal, but it would shake your feelings loose so I got rid of it. I wish I had it back. It had an Ackley style type shoulder on it to.

[@thomasdaum1927]

@@capt.america6296 I did a 338 x 8 mm mag and velocity was very close to a 340 WBY , recoil was substantial . Got about 3000 fps from a 225 gr bullet !

[@craigleibbrand7761]

The 28 inch barrel on his 8MM Rem Mag is too long.

[@thomasdaum1927]

@@craigleibbrand7761 I have a 29 inch barrel on my 7 STW with a brake , not long at all !…..

[@frankjaeger4830]

The worst part about your videos is having to wait for the next one. Can't get enough!!!

[@onthebowoftheship44]

Hi Ron, I believe that the prevailing wisdom among blacktail hunters up here in the Pacific Northwest is that there is tons to eat for deer due to our milder temperatures and abundant rain. This is often proposed for one of the reasons that blacktail deer are so private and challenging to pattern. It's because they can afford to live large periods of their lives in very small areas due to the abundant food supplies.

[@CreepyUncleStupid]

i agree. i live in PNW as well. there are 3 separate groups of blacktail that only wander the 75 acres behind my house. i see them all daily. There is so much to eat, they never leave

[@OldSchoolParatrooper]

I live in the Willamette Valley of Oregon. I do a lot of scouting. Blacktail are private by nature already. The bucks get that way to an extreme as they age and I have yet to scout a buck that doesn't dramatically change his patterns from spring to summer to fall, and winter. The bucks tend to change their patterns going to and from forage for no apparent reason.

[@nighthunter5760]

I love my 8x57 rifle.❤️🐗🐗🐗🔥🔥🔥

[@wadepederson8457]

Yes, WE do 8mm Rem mag & the 325WSM these are USA caliber and they are very powerful they just didn't take off because of the metric sizing but will handle any game animal in AMERICA and most African game, I use it and works great just alittle tough to find at times. Aim small good hunting and GOD bless.

[@scottbrunette8366]

I have a 8mm magnum and it is a fantastic rifle. Only problem is that it is impossible to find any bullets for it. I'm down to my last 4 cartridges. I've been lucky enough to drop the last 4 moose I got with 1 bullet. I am looking for some help or any suggestions on what I can do to acquire bullets or is it possible to use a different bullet in my barrel. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated thanks

[@wadepederson8457]

@scottbrunette8366 I have a question: Do you use factory ammunition or hand load ? I can help you with bullets if you hand load, they are .323 195 grn Hornady IL bullets they are a good bullet and just pay the current price. I can let you have a box of 100. Just let me know, and we can work something out. Aim small good hunting GOD bless.

[@marinioaweischo6614]

The 8x68S was developed in the 30's and is a Magnum cartridge with a bigger (rim- and beltless) base diameter, it's performance is above .300 Winchester Magnum. 8x60S and 8x64S have same base diameter as 8x57IS and were used also for hunting purposes. And all this 8mm, except the 8x68S were out too in the .318 diameter, that was that civilian thing after WW1. They are stamped without "S", 8x57I, 8x57IR (rimmed), 8x60 and so on. So if you have an old german civilian hunting rifle, it is important you check your bore diameter. In hunting course they tell sometimes "S" stands for stark "strong", that's wrong, but a good way to remember which one is the bigger bullet diameter.

[@cw2a]

I was hust gonna say mostly the same. Good post man! ❤

[@CrimeVid]

Techincal !

[@billyhancock7851]

Let's not forget 8mm js and the 8mm jrs shoots the 323 diameter bullet. Great rifle, great cartridge.

[@johnweisYamaroler]

The JS designation is the.323 dia. which is dangerous to shoot in in the older.318dia. bore. Anyone that picks up an 8mm needs to verify the bore before shooting!!

[@chrisblake1918]

I have several 8MM Mausers. Can't go wrong,.

[@skalagrim99]

Remington made a Model 700 Classic in 2003-04 chambered in 7.92x57mm. I hunted with surplus 8mm Mausers for many many years. I still use my Remington Mod 700 in 8mm Mauser, not exclusively, but several times each season. It will bring home the venison as reliably as anything.

[@robertpetersson5655]

Try norma oryx 196 grain.

[@skalagrim99]

@@robertpetersson5655 I've had more success with Hornady 150gr spitzers over the last 45 years.

[@nighthunter5760]

I recommend Norma Tipstrike,Vulkan and Sierra Game King.

[@sinistersilverado965]

the 170 gr Speer has performed well in my 8x57

[@awiedevilliers1288]

Hallo Ron I have a South African reloading manual before me the 8×68 is a real powerhouse 170 grain bullet going at 3087 feet per second and 200 grain at 2956 feet per second and 220 grain at 2809 feet per second I did pick up a 8×60 cassing at our shooting range I think that's the way they got past the restrictions on the 8×57 I have seen advertisements for 8×64 Brennecke ammo that should also be a good one greeting from South Africa

[@andyherzfeld9492]

I have an 8X57 JS Sporterized and an 8mm Rem Mag. I handload for both but the factory ammo is pretty good. The 8mm RM is a horse, I have killed 2 Nilgai and a couple of deer with it no problems. The 8x57 is a sweet rifle, perfect deer or black bear rifle. I know the 325WM was popular for a while.

[@billhatcher2984]

That 325 is liked in Alaska

[@johnh1464]

@@billhatcher2984 I like my 325 wsm really well here in Wa as well.

[@thrivealist9458]

You’re a lot smarter than you give yourself credit for. Love the channel love the videos.

[@sjuels]

Mr. Spomer, you mentioned the 7mm coming up. A lot of information on the older 7mm Brenneke (7x64 and 7x65R) is based on the 100+ year old design information, but looking at this cartridge, using modern powders and long-for-caliber, high-BC bullets, really shows how much of a genius Mr. Brenneke was - same for modern loadings of the 280 AI. All of them are in my very humble opinion, great rounds for hunting. Again, thank you for providing high quality and interesting content for us hunters and shooters. Best, /Soren

[@robertpetersson5655]

Dont forget 9,3x64 brenneke. The original 375 ruger.

[@matthewwilson8315]

wow another Brenneke adherent.cool.7x64 is my favorite. one day I will pick up a 8x64s

[@johnnydawson7675]

THANKS, RON! YOU ARE THE BEST!

[@spacecat7247]

Love 8mm. Own 2. Many hakims and mod. 48s came into the us back in the 90s. Tons of ammo as well.

[@Me2Lancer]

Thanks for explaining the use of an adjustable sling to control length of pull. That's exactly how I manage it. Regarding, 40 caliber ammo, seems to the the .41 caliber is the closest substitute. The first .41 caliber round was developed in 1863.

[@ArthurRobinson-v3y]

That's so great that you mentioned the hasty sling! I'm a former US Marine, and that's what we were taught to use. We used it in every shooting position with the M-16 A1 and the A2. I was in the Marine Corp in the early 80's. I can't imagine not using the Hasty Sling. It helps to stabilize the rifle so much, especially in the off-hand position. I've sent messages to Ian on Forgotten Weapons a couple of times trying to convince him to use the Hasty Sling. He just acts like a sling is only useful as a carrying strap. He hangs out with those Army guys too much. They're not taught to use the Hasty Sling. If you have the sling adjusted just right, namely if it adjusted perfectly for carrying the rifle on your shoulder, it'll be perfect for using as a Hasty Sling. Of course if you have it adjusted for using it on your bare arm, it will be different if you're wearing a jacket in cold weather. You have to re-adjust it for that. There's a former Marine that demonstrates how to use the Hasty Sling on KZbin. Just search Hasty Sling. There's some on there that's not correct. The guy I saw doing it right had a AR-15 and says during the video that he was a Marine. He's showing how to use the sling beside his garage.

[@joearledge]

34:00 we have reached the point in history where it is no longer acceptable to "sporterize" antique arms such as the K98 and others(technically in the C&R class of arms). If you want one sporterized, you can buy the sporterized ones on the cheap, because historians and collectors don't care about them. Some are really well done, others the hack saw marks are obvious. Either way, if you want to chop down the stock, or shorten the barrel, or drill and tap it for a scope, or bed the action, then get one that's already been sporterized, and save the original historical pieces for future generations.

[@ericschulze5641]

Nonsense

[@bryanwages3518]

I have been hunting with 8mm mauser for a while now. Best cartridge I've ever used for whitetail. I've never have had one run off when shot. They always drop dead where they are.

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

Lots of GIs brought back K98s and couldn't find ammo for them. They had them rechambered in 8mm.'06. which was slightly ballistically superior to the .30'06.

[@theoriginalDAL357]

I wouldn’t mind hearing more about old and obscure cartridges such as the .256 Newton. The history of how we got to where we are today regarding all products, especially those gun related, I find very interesting.

[@jasyamaha]

Awesome, thanks Ron

[@normgurschick3528]

Like to see a 8mm compared to the 30-06 video. I own a k98 in the 8mm. It's a great rifle and the history behind that mod 98 from 1939 makes it even better shooting it. Especially since it's still in its military configuration!

[@brittakriep2938]

8x 57 lS?

[@WalnutMountain-k5t]

My great grandfather had a 98 Mauser, in 8mm. Stamped on the top of it is the year 1942, four digit serial number as well, 7624, it has the German army eagle with the world in its claws. My grand father had it given to him and he handed it down to me. I have taken deer, bull moose and wolf with it. I have mostly 170 gr but have stepped up to a hand load of 200 gr nosler partitions. I shot a deer (buck) this past week with it and it was the only animal that went 20 yards and fell over dead. Everything else dropped in its tracks! My grandmother hunted as well and she knew this weapon well, i can still hear her saying to me, “when you hit something with that gun they just fall over”, lol, miss my grandparents they introduced me to hunting and trapping along with my dad. My favourite weapon of all!

[@lordofthemound3890]

Does it say “42” or “1942” if it’s “42” or “S/42” then that’s the manufacturer code, not the year. If it says “42” then your rifle was manufactured in 1940 right at the Mauser AG Oberndorf factory.

[@WalnutMountain-k5t]

@ hello. It says 1942 on top

[@leoncolwin8645]

Get a Husqvarna 640 in 8x57. A truly great rifle

[@pureprotea1]

The 8x68S is on par with the 300 Win Mag. It packs way more punch than the 30 06

[@AustrianJager]

No. The 8x68S is superior to the .300WinMag.

[@bernardperkovic7577]

8x68s is faster and stronger then the 300wm, 🔥🔥

[@DavidZingler-ze2ci]

Until you try to buy ammo for it hahaha

[@Master...deBater]

​@@AustrianJagerFrom what I've seen they shoot similar weight bullets at similar speeds. But the equivalent 30 cal bullets have better BCs and SDs!

[@lucienruhle718]

Hi Ron, you can better compare the 8x68s with the 300WM. It is actually a true magnum without a belt. It is waaay more powerful (over 4000J up to 5000J @ the muzzle) than a 30-06 and was originally designed for hunting plains game in old German colonies in West Africa where it is still popular today. Especially for reloaders an interesting cartridge. Kind regards from Switzerland and thank you for your highly appreciated content

[@Ron-Swanson]

Of course it depends on bullet weight. Here are the loads I currently use. 30/06 = 4208J. 300 win mag = 5345J 338 win mag = 5437J Hope this helps. I use 338 win mag too so I included it as well.

[@ionuto2726]

Hello, Indeed 8x68s is a true magnum without a belt 👍🏻 Here in Romania is used for the big wild boars, mountain goats and other big games. I have 8x68s from Steyr and is amazing..

[@zimonjazimonja3152]

8x68 true magnum all the way... Cheers from Europe

[@david6920-r6z]

Interesting comments on the 8x57. I have owned a couple of 8x57 Mauser and taken quite a few deer with them. I have settled on a sporterised G33/40 8mm K98 carbine. These were originally issued to paratroopers and alpine troops and were made in the Brno factory in Czechoslovakia. The barrel is mint, outstanding accuracy, powerful and a pleasure to shoot. I was really lucky to pick it up 2nd hand at a bargain price. Mint barrel. Sure it’s not as fancy or flat shooting as my 3006AI custom but its still very good and handy for me. I use Normal 196 grain Vulcan ammo in it and it does fine. Great penetration and wound channel.

[@nighthunter5760]

I've been using 8x57 mauser CZ 550 for many years. I've killed so many pigs that l can't remember the amount. I got the best results Norma Vulkan and Sierra Game King bullet.

[@gordonwalter4293]

I think your intelligence, knowledge and urbane verbal capacity make your show absolutely unique. I always feel better educated from all the above plus your experience. Keep at it, if not as frequent offerings. You make me wish I had you guide me several decades ago.

[@kaisercreb]

the main .40 rifle i can think of is the .408 cheytac

[@Docholidey]

I harvested a couple moose with the 8mm rem mag, when i had the rifle i was using the 220 grain hornady at 2850 fps, long gone are the days of punishing my shoulder, but it was more than anything in this part of Canada

[@travischapin886]

Cupro nickel bullets were made / used by some countries years ago in mostly military type of ammo / calibers, and it did not seem to be detrimental to the bore of a rifle.

[@AustrianJager]

8x57IS, 8x57IRS, 8x68S are phantastic cartridges!

[@brittakriep2938]

For law reason, in swiss canton Graubünden cartridges in 10,3 mm are used.

[@elizabethnybeck9935]

Love my 7&8 Mauser

[@1001CP]

So because of our tough East Coast whitetail deer the West Coast at least got some type of deer that was not there before. Yes our white tails are pretty frisky but we will accept a big thank you from all you West Coasters.

[@matthewjordan2778]

Up towards forks the Olympic Northwest alongthe Olympics.They brought Meal deer back In the 30s and bread, the meal deer and black tail to make the black tails bigger and the racks bigger. So I have shot several half breeds up in the olympic northwest towards Forks

[@bradleyhayne]

the new cz 600 lux comes in 8x57 on the cz website , i haven't seen any in stores

[@kweeks10045]

I know this thread is getting old, but definitely not stale. I love the 8mm family of cartridges. I have an 8x57 that is flat amazing on smaller bears, elk, and similar size game at closer ranges. The 8mm Rem Mag will take anything in North America and probably anywhere else if you load it right. The 160gr Barnes TTSX at 3700fps is a grenade!!!! I here a lot of people curse the 325 wsm, but I also normally hear them have some caveat. Out to 400 yards, it works great on whitetail, elk, mule deer, red stag, moose and a lot of other game. The 300 is more flexible, especially on smaller game, but if you have a 325, the hardest part is probably buying ammo if you don't reload. Otherwise, keep it!

[@Dale37]

I lived in western Oregon for a while and this is my first time hearing about a bench legged deer. 😂

[@GunnarMiller]

I live in Germany and shoot my father-in-law's sporterized 8x57JS Mauser 98, and after decades of shooting .308 Win in the US, have come to really like the cartridge for boar, red deer, and roe deer. In fact, when my son obtained his German hunting license, we bought a modern Mauser M12 chambered for the same. We also have a Sauer & Sohn Drilling, which has two side-by side 16-gauge barrels up (one with a .22 Hornet insert), and a 7x57R under; this gun is a great all 'rounder.

[@charleshuyck6641]

I hunted with a sporterized 8x57 in high school and loved it.

[@blaserlongrange7616]

Ron when do you gonna talk about the 8,5x55 blaser?

[@bobsmith2815]

Amazing how Savage hade the sharp tip bullet solved in his model 99 and rotary magazine with round counter

[@bennwj]

I bought a 300 SAUM in 2005 (If I remember correctly). I got that over the 300 WSM because the Remington came in the Model Seven Magnum. Yes, I lost a little velocity with that 22 in barrel, but it exceeded the .30-06 and the WSM was in a 24” barrel. It is one of my favorite rifles. With a lighter 150gr bullet its very effective on dropping a deer very quickly with a lung shot. I hunt in Eastern North Carolina and in the early part of the season, if you do not drop them where they stand, or get a very good blood trail, the deer will be in very thick cover in 2 or 3 steps. If I was doing it all over again I would get the 300 WSM so I could have (almost) .300 Win Mag ballistics in a short action rifle.

[@nozrep]

Forgotten Weapons isn’t really a hunter I don’t think but a Forgotten Weapons-Ron Spomer podcast episode collaboration is a THING that we NEED!!!!😅 Their mutual knowledge of SO much firearms history in my opinion would make a FANTASTIC podcast!!!

[@clintonlayne9253]

Ron, Remington chambered a 700 in 8mm . I saw one I didn't have enough cash on me at the time I regret not putting it on plastic. I did use an old Czech 98/22 hunting on a South Dakota West River deer hunt in Lyman county. I was fortunate to harvest a mature whitetail doe. There were two other hunters that seen me shoot this old Mil Surpl with open sights they couldn't believe it.

[@jfess1911]

As Ron stated, the WSM cartridges have slightly larger cases and tend to shoot factory ammo slightly faster (one article says 50 - 60fps) than the RSAUM cartridges. It is important to note that in 2002, when they were introduced, laser rangefinders were still uncommon and hunters preferred lighter bullets and flatter trajectory to 500 yards over the heavier, higher BC bullets used today. Many factory loads were only 150 to 165 grains. The RSAUM's shorter case allows longer, higher-bc bullets in a typical short action (2.86" OAL), so it can catch up and pass the WSM at longer range. The RSAUM series also has the more modern "match-style" chamber with a length of closely-toleranced freebore that tend to align bullets better with the bore. This is used on virtually all recent cartridges because it tends to provide overall better accuracy and be less picky at to which loads shoot accurately. The 300 SAUM chamber design gains even more in a longer action since it allow the bullet to be loaded much farther out of the case, gaining back some powder capacity and putting the shank of the bullet into the tight freebore to help align the bullet, as is done with modern precision cartridges like the 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.8 Western, and the 6.5mm, 7mm, and 300 PRC cartridges. FWIW, when Winchester updated the 270 WSM into the longer-ranged 6.8 Western, it changed the chamber geometry to one very similar to the SAUM series.

[@stevenmiller184]

Speaking of 8mm, tube magazines and primer strikes.... Let us remember the 8mm Lebel rifle. A tube fed spitzer bullet that avoided impact firing by virtue of it's highly tapered case and primer cup design.

[@edwardabrams4972]

I hunted bench leg black tails in the 50’s and 60’s with my father in oregon and haven’t heard that name since then. Some back then would call them mule deer bench leg!

[@jeffreyvannederynen8342]

Yes, Cartridges of the World is still available. I love my copy!

[@maslegnac1920]

I came here for 8mm story and it is on the end of this episode......

[@tommissouri4871]

And not much of one. I think we deserve another about the 7.92x57 Mauser.

[@jeffreyvannederynen8342]

Check out the .40 great lakes cartridge. New but a lot of potential for 40 caliber.

[@wayne3340]

We have plenty of Muleys in central British Columbia. I drilled one through lengthwise with my 8mm-06 this fall. Unfortunately the aggressive Whitetails push them out of some areas. They're both good eating!

[@anthonyjbargeman5280]

LOL, glad ya got your shoulder back..lol

[@kevinthorrington2131]

Remington model 14 pump action had a twisted magazine to prevent the tips from resting on the primers.

[@ronaldsloan5235]

What a great talk

[@troy9477]

Nice to hear the 256 Newton mentioned. He was quite a guy. The other thing he designed for Savage was the 250 Savage, i am pretty sure. Named the 250-3000 because it was the first mass commercial cartridge to achieve 3000 fps (but only with an 87 gr bullet). See, marketing hype is nothing new. I enjoy learning about vintage cartridges that in many cases were ahead of their time. The 280 Ross comes to mind in the same breath as the 256. I love the 8x57. Mine is the M48 Yugo Mauser. Got it in 2002 or 2003 i think, for 175. Very good condition, nice stock. I actually had that some years before i got an -06. Felt vaguely un-American. Lol. But i did already have 2 308's, a 30-30, and other stuff, so i was okay. Hard to beat, esp if u handload to its normal potential. Most factory ammo is downloaded in deference to old rifles and the . 318 bores that are still around. There is about half a thimble full of difference between it and -06 if you look at loading manuals. It is about as ubiquitous in Europe as the -06 is here. It always surprised me how many other countries used it as a military cartridge right after WW2, even in semiautos like the Hakim. I would think everybody would want to forget anything German. I guess that goes to show how good a cartridge it is. The only domestic rifle i can think of ever chambered for it is the Rem 700 Classic, only for 1 year of course. Wouldn't mind having one in any number of chamberings. The 6.5x55 would be nice (circa 1993, i think), so it could also be loaded to full ballistics. The lengthened 41 Mag is an interesting idea, similar to the 444 Marlin. Probably never happen, since we have the 444 and the 45-70. But it would be fun. Bullets up to 250 gr at good velocity. A friend of mine picked up a 6.5-06 a few months ago that has "ACKLEY" stamped on it. Not sure if Ackley built the rifle, or if it is an AI chamber. Don't think he has done any load development yet. Should be a good shooter though. Only wildcat i have is a 357 Herrett barrel for my Contender. Haven't done anything with it yet, but i plan some silhouette. I may get my 22 Hornet barrel reamed to K-Hornet at some point. Another wildcat that is interesting is 6.5 JDJ. Can't think of any wildcats in repeaters that i might want, but who knows. That is half the fun.

[@lowellswedlund7443]

My 73-year-old dad called me up and wanted me to leave you a comment that the 9.3x57 and 8x57 Mauser aren't the same and can't share ammo. We're from the Black Hills (he said you used to live in SD) and he's a big fan of your show. It would make his day if you commented back! :) Thanks, Ron!

[@aulusflavius9635]

For the 40, I agree. There was the .401 WSL, which is a .406 bullet. I have a .351 WSL which is just a short 350 legend. Oh, and over 100 years older. Heheheh. I also have 3 8x57mms. 1 is made as a .323, the other 2 were made as .318 during WW I. One of those had the neck reamed and an expander button pulled through to make the barrel .323. The other has had the neck reamed but no expansion of the barrel. The two .318s were WW I rifles converted into sporting rifles with custom claw mount scopes and engraving as well as carved stocks. Really beautiful K98 reworks. They also hit deer like Thors hammer.

[@mrexon]

As for nickel plated ammunition in the automotive world we use nickel to break in Motors. It’s a very good metallic lubricant.

[@Aaron-hr5bb]

My father in law brought a prewar 8x57 Mauser (still in Cosmoline) back from Japan. It was part of the Axis Treaty with Germany and as a Navy Captain he got one. In the early 50s he had it sporterized by a Colorado gunsmith and used it into the mid 70s for elk with great success. My former brother in law used it after that and his son uses it now. Not quite a .30-06, but definitely more than a .308 on elk. And I like the .308 under 350 yards on elk. Really no need for more than a 7mm Rem Mag with 160-175 gr bullets for Colorado elk. They aren't armor-plated out here.

[@macaw172]

You once made a video on the JP Sauer 100. They make the rifle chambered in 8x57mm mauser.

[@jimcurrier3922]

We took the prairie dogs down to where it defected the black footed ferrites.

[@mississippichris]

I've got an 8mm K98 from 1944 that was my grandfather's. It has all matching serial numbers but (unfortunately) was sporterized a long time ago. I've never harvested a deer with it, but many, many feral hogs.

[@mississippichris]

Me, too. Mine was sporterized while they were still $49.95 in hardware stores. I've killed many feral hogs with mine. My grandfather bought it right after the war. He said he paid $12.00 for it.

[@Hunt.Survive.or_Die]

Hey Ron, I had a interesting experience with hornady leverevolution ammo in a marlin 336w back in 2014. I shot a deer in the spine high and the gun wouldn't cycle through the next round... the deer suffered for some minutes before I got it freed up. Later I was able to replicate what had happened... the fort tip had wedged between the rim of the round in front and the magazine tube wall and bound er up so tight that the cartridge wouldn't pull out of the tube and the lifter was hung in place. All in all it was a real mess so I switched to old fashioned flat nose and never had that problem again. I do owe something to that experience though because I started playing with reloading the flat nose stuff afterwards and now I reload for many, many different guns and cartridges.

[@rogerf7265]

Two subspecies of white-tailed deer are found in Oregon. There are populations of the Columbian white-tailed deer in the Umpqua River Basin near Roseburg and on a series of Columbia River islands in Oregon and Washington, and on the Oregon and Washington mainlands along the lower Columbia River. The other whitetail in Oregon is the Northwest whitetail that are found in Northeastern Oregon, particularly in Union, Wallowa, and Umatilla counties. These also occasionally interbreed with Mule Deer.

[@joegrassl7987]

I bought an M48 Mauser for $190.00 at a gun show. Looked to be an unissued rifle. I was wanting a K98 but I bought the M48 because it was available. One of the nicest shooting rifles I've had the pleasure to to shoot. I've shot very tight 5 shot groups with 147gr , 196gr Surplus and lellier& bellot 196gr hunting ammo. Evert part was machined and the numbers match. I never imagined this gun would be such a great experience. With newer bullet designs, who knows what it is capable of ?

[@kennethross9310]

I also have a numbers matching m48. Receiver machining is a bit rough but action is still pretty slick. Shoots lik we a house afire!

[@ben501st]

That's a steal nowadays for a clean M48. I paid that much for mine and it is not pretty. The Turks loaded 8mm pretty hot when those rifles were issued. It's been known to blow up machine guns. I'd wager some +p ammo would really wake up the cartridge if needed.

[@tomjoseph1444]

I have some bullets for reloading made by Dynamit Nobel (RWS) that I brought back from Germany 40 years ago. They are 181 grain soft point and nickle jacket. They are "Original Benneke TUG" according to the label. They are really unusual in that they have multiple rifling bands an the base is fully pointed, not just a boat tali.

[@jameswilson5562]

I got custom 8 rem mag with 28 inch barrel those are very underrated

[@lurebenson7722]

I often carried a Remington 700 in 8 mm Rem mag on my guide brown bear and Yukon moose hunts and loaded using Barns TSX 185 grain bullets it was just as deadly as a 340 Weatherby mag.

[@scottbrunette8366]

Where do you get your bullets from? I have a 8mm magnum custom barrel on a Browning synthetic x-bolt stock. Beautiful gun. Just wish I could find bullets for it

[@jameswilson5562]

Mostly midway but I stocked up years ago before everything was so crazy

[@RichardFulks-q1r]

Dave try the 416 Barnes its the wildcat based on a 45-70 brass 17:47

[@mjoelnir1899]

The civil replacement for the 8x57 was the 8x60. Both the 8x64 and 8x68 are a bit older. Brenneke did the 8X64 in the first world war and RWS did the 8x68 and 6.5x68 in the 1930ties. The 8x68 has only been available in the S version 0.323 bullets. The 8x68 nearly matches the 8 mm Rem. Magnum in performance, especially with heavy bullets, with a quite a bit smaller case capacity.

[@tomjoseph1444]

I wonder why the Johnson designed spiral tube magazine was dropped? It was used on the Remington Model 14 successfully. It allows the use of spire pointed bullets in a tube magazine.

[@kevinmason8924]

Winchester silver tip 64gr 223 has a nickel plated jacket with a black polymer tip seated in normal brass. It is a great contrast to copper seated into nickel brass.

[@Jpedv]

Hi Ron, the 8.68, is between the 300 win mag and the 338 lapua, you can see data at RWS

[@Ron-Swanson]

Not even close

[@Ron-Swanson]

The 8mm produces less energy then the 300 win mag 3900 ftlbs and less than a 338 win mag 4000 ftbs the 338 lapua produces 6609J or 4800 ftlbs

[@northerntier87]

My goodness the 338 lapua is something else. Ha oh wow.

[@Ron-Swanson]

@@northerntier87 yeah 340 Weatherby territory for sure.

[@peterkolovos3079]

.414 Super Mag. Starline has brass and I rechambered a Contender pistol barrel for it.

[@googleuser3110]

That chain reaction explosion has also happened with some 12ga shotgun slugs that had a pointy tip that protruded past the shell. They have been discontinued.

[@HobbitHomes263]

my best friend in high school in the late 60s hunted with a surplus K98. i'll tell you it hit elk pretty dang hard

[@vikingsoftpaw]

Dan Wesson came up with a stretched .41 mag they called the .414 Supermag.

[@markdavidson8424]

Well,as you've said over there year's,you don't know. And Ron as an old 71 year old Nam vet and hunter that's there main reason I listen to you. Unlike rifle companies or the creators of new cartridges you don't knows everything but here's what's important to me,Ron may not know but he's going to find out. And Unlike people who's main objective is to promote the product they,Or their company has produced. All these mathematics calculations describing theirs product and why it's better than your common 308, 30.06,or,yes the 30:30 which isn't basically obsolete. You Ron has actually hunted with all of these during you're travels and experience on the bench or in their field lives you and edges and you're honestly isn't plain to see to us plain people. I listened to this and have some knowledge one each subject Or questions you were ask. Yes,I am from Oregon and as a timber faller/ Logger who worked,lived for months on the job, hunted throughout their Northeast including Alaska. Here's what I know about their bench leg. The last times I heard this'll mentioned wasn't many year's ago,could of been asked far back as they 90s.Oregon fish and game said they were going to study the Bench leg deer east of Medford Oregon on them west side off theirs Cascades. There reason this area was chosen was it's their only places in the west where blactail deer actually migrate during winter. What that has to do with anything I don't know So Ron we both don't know but you did have information of of the three species and the scientific information of how they three cameras about. Thanks Ron,nowadays I know from your efforts. That doesn't answer the question but your conclusion was a bench leg came from mule deer and blactail interbreed,which was you're conclusion to the mystery of the Bench leg. There study promised by The Oregon fish and Games never happened because I stayed informed on the progress .which never took place. I can give you a description of what over my 71 years of hearing of this deer,which would be in my of your analysis understanding is ,well as good as any I've heard. Here's what I've witnessed. Why bench leg?.what I've actually seen isn't these bench legends deer are shorter than the average blactail. Not as tall basically. But what issues noticeable is although shorter then ranges in weight from 200 to 240 s.Ive witnessed two that fit that description. I will add their antlers are usually bulkier anders bigger.in fact,yes they resemble mule deer and you wondered how it fits on a blactails head .I know a place that mulies and blactail interbreed often and that's around Tiller Oregon instead they southern Cascades butt North of Medford Oregon. So,here's my issue. They only deer I've seen that meet there criteria explained is nothing one there western slopes off theirs Cascades but on the west side of thei Southern Oregon coast range.and both deep came from their same areas between Coosbay Oregon and Bandon Oregon about 20 something miles between them two. We do have a population of whites tails in Oregon but only it's two areas both one them western side of them Cascades east off Roseburg Oregon east of interstate 5 east to untiled your start climbing to their westerns Cascade to ours world Famous Crater Lakes Oregon Columbia River gorge..We don't have a hunting season, Last i looked to hunt whitetails in these areas. So Ron,you're explanation makes more sense,anders because you're actually investigate,that i will accept your definition of a bench leg. Just thought I'd mention a deer i killed while taking a break from the west Cascades well hunt forward up to 7 week's anders usually camp butt I'm ther only one in the Huntington group who's married. I shots this'll deep within 4 miles from myself house and rock throw from the Pacific ocean .when I walked up to this deer ,first thing I thought was mules deer. Then,it couldn't berthing deer looked like a bench leg .it was over 220 lbs .an average blacktail on the coast is around 60 lbs of meat. History deer boneed out was still overall 200 lbs. .I workers instead and slaughter house and few years and know my business .Sorry for the length Ron but your brought up the bench leg and fetcompelled to speak up. .

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Yes indeed, Mark. I believe we humans make too much of variability in wildlife sizes, colors, and shapes. These were used long ago to justify many, many more "species" named for their "discoverers," more self aggrandizement than science. Those taxonomists were known as splitters. The opposite were "lumpers" who, DNA now proves, were more often right. These days we can DNA test wildlife and prove such things as Banchleg deer are more about localized genetic traits then species differentiation. Another thing to know is that habitat can change animal physiology or boy conformation. Decades ago they introduced some Rocky Mountain elk into NW Roosevelt elk country and observed that after many years the RM elk took on the same characteristics of body size and antler size/conformation as Roosevelt elk. Available forage was driving the changes. An interesting thing happened with caribou introduced to NewZealand. The preponderance of shovels on the antlers switched sides. I forget if the Canada antlers had shovels on the right or left most of the time, but after a few years in NZ, the caribou started growing them on the other side. Stuff like this happens in Nature, but it doesn't mean there's a new species. All interesting and fun to speculate. One more thing: wildlife is free to migrate. There's no reason why a "lost" mule deer couldn't wander from, say, the sage slopes of western Nevada over the mountains and through the woods to end up on the CA or OR coast! Moose are seen in NE and KS from time to time!

[@TerryBurian]

I hate to inform you but the 7mm and 8mm question was answered many years ago with the 7x57mm and 8x57mm😊

[@kevinreichert3254]

The Remington tubular magazines were made to set each bullet point off of the primer. You do not need polymer for them.

[@johncox2865]

23:19 A buddy of mine put 4 rounds of .30-06 in an elk before it went down. This guy is a really good shot, too. Apparently, a bull elk is just a stubborn guy.

[@BornAgain2019]

I assure you that within 400 yards a 30/06 with a well placed and well constructed bullet is sufficient to take a bull elk. Some animals are more reluctant than others at being convinced they are in fact dead, that's all.

[@MichaelLucas-c6u]

A good set up takes planning

[@JohnTBlock]

Hi, Ron. I recall reading some Elmer Keith books back in the day. He was apparently immune to recoil in any fashion, as some of his wildcat loads proved... but he was real hot on. 33 caliber slugs in a number of rifles he had built, I believe one was known as a .33-375 OKH rifle...gotta find his "Rifle Shooting" books again... Elmer and the ".44 Associates" pushed for the .44 Magnum, from the .44 Spl. cartridge, and he loved the bigger "mid - bore " rifle rounds as well...

[@leoncolwin8645]

If you want a serious factory load for the 8x57 Mauser, try the Sellier & Bellot 196 grain load. From my 23.7" Husqvarna 1640, I measured 2600 fps with my Garmin chronograph. This velocity was measured in summertime. In cold weather, I am still seeing well over 2550 fps.

[@rogersmaland7077]

Do you remember to include in the book 7x33 Sako?? It will surely be an interesting book...

[@kirkboswell2575]

Spire points CAN ignite a primer in the tube. Have actually seen it happen. Neighbor loaded his lever with spire points. Swore he'd done it for years. What he was actually doing was loading three and chambering one - i.e. only two in the tube. His reasoning was that's all he needed because if he'd missed twice, he didn't need to keep wasting ammo. One day, don't know why, but one day he fully loaded up. First shot and the tube exploded. He survived with all his body parts, but spent some time in the hospital. Very, very memorable for me as a second grader. So, "pooh-poohers" aside, it REALLY is a possibility with spire points. I've seen it. For 40 caliber, you have the old 38-40 WCF, which is a 401 diameter bullet. Doesn't utilize 50K psi, but it exists, and just like the 44-40, was once considered a good deer cartridge within its range limits. Steve's question is valid. For the cases, the only real disadvantage is fewer reloads. The nickel makes the cases a bit harder, and you will get split necks sooner than all brass. Underwood claims a better plating process which "fixes" that, but I don't know about that part. As for the bullets themselves, again valid. Federal has come out with their "Punch" series of calibers, and the BULLETS are also nickel plated. Performance is quite good, so this might catch on. However, what Steve is probably thinking of is the old "cupronickel" bullets, which DID, indeed, foul barrels. That's why things switched to guilding metal jackets. Still, those were mostly copper, so any copper removing cleaning method works. Don't know about Federal's nickel bullets, but they are different from the old cupronickel.

[@SandyHall-q4s]

Then there are a few wildcats, all on 06 brass,8mmo6,the ackley imp,then 8mm gibbs which i have,a very potent cart but most difficultcult to fire form,thank you very much for your videos

[@jeremymcadam7400]

Hi Ron, the concern for nickel fouling might be its chemical resistance. Acid that destroys nickel will also destroy steel. Probably still not worth thinking about

[@jmartin9059]

*Easiest way to add length of pull for keeping thumb out of nose...... slip on or lace on recoil pads. The doubled up recoil pad system will feel different...and allow more compression of the rubber which allows more scope and rifle action travel to rear & toward eyebrow. So, with your magnums...scope to face can be a real possibility. Softer felt recoil with extra thick recoil pads... allows a longer recoil stroke... Thus, scope to face might happen. Keep that in mind when choosing iron sights or scope. Longer eye relief to keep the scope out of your head.... might be a good idea.*

[@davidderr2662]

I'm off topic, but you say to clean the gilding metal from the rifle barrel for best accuracy when shooting copper bullets. Most recommended solvents are for copper and carbon. Help!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Gilding metal is 95% copper and 5% zinc. Copper solvents remove it.

[@davidderr2662]

Thank you! I am a oregon boy/64 years old . I have harvested a bench leg myself. They are a real thing.

[@pierceclark5821]

Hi Ron, big fan of your work have been addicted to these videos, very educational. Om from Victoria, Australia and I know you’ve done some travelling for your hunts. What I’m wondering is have you hunted the big old Sambar deer that we mainly have here in Victoria. If so would love to hear your general thoughts. Thankyou!

[@davewinter2688]

A number of years ago there was a picture of a tubular magazine rifle that the pointed bullets had detonated. I think it was a Winchester 94, I’m pretty sure it was the American Rifleman magazine. It definitely made an impression on me. I have a very clear remembrance of the picture in my mind’

[@diggernash1]

.325 WSM should have made more converts...but it just didn't happen

[@gravytrainoutdoors]

I’ve taken at least 60 blacktailed deer and when I first read about the genetic study revealing the Blacktail are whitetail/mule hybrid I was not surprised because of the backtails flighty behavior. Behaviorally they are more like a whitetail than a mule deer. We were always told that Blacktailed deer were a subspecies of mule deer. We still buy a mule deer tag for hunting Blacktail here. They should have their own tag called the grey ghost species tag!

[@WillyK51]

Comparing cartridges, for the most popular I go to Nosler Load Data, Print out the ones you like and compare. Cartridges of the World covers most but some whithout the shematics. I don't go to SAMMI often to compare. To many meassurements

[@CharizardFan_og]

18:06 - Listening to this discussion, all be it a monologue. I am wondering if the 300 PRC or the parent the 375 Ruger case should be necked to take the 0.400 caliber. Might make a decent cartridge?

[@BornAgain2019]

That would be the 416 Ruger.

[@CharizardFan_og]

@@BornAgain2019 Cool, I didn't know about that caliber. In the context of the conversation though, the writer wants specifically a 40 caliber not a 41. But I see your point and I don't think you would win much performance in trying to go to a 40 in this case. Thank you 😃

[@victorrichardson3027]

401 Winchester Self Loader, BOOM!