TimeBase Prototype Showcase

[@CubeHead]

Wca comps really need something like this, some comps are so amateurish

[@edwin_pig]

Cubehead!

[@3DCubing]

100% right i think the wca is great but it could really improve

[@24ggh]

Is this the thing you said that you were working on that would change cubing forever or is that something else?

[@CewbPianist]

I'm pretty sure cubehead has nothing to do with this project it's most likely something else

[@nikitakusuma8440]

True. But let's just admit that some comps are barely running due to funding. The cubing community always have great idea to improve the competition but we dont always have the fund

[@_SAUBER_]

The timer reset prevention has to be one of the greatest advancements in recent competitive cubing history. I would really like to see this implemented at WCA competitions.

[@JRCuber]

timebased

[@3DCubing]

Hi Jesse how are you?

[@ThanMG]

Plz consider doing a Cubicle review video of this if/when they give a chance! I think it is a really cool idea that could use as much constructive feedback as it can get from a large audience.

[@SoManyCuteEdgars]

Stackmat timer is designed for speed stacking, but timebase is designed for speed cubing

[@roozen5790]

revolutionary

[@webstrikecubing6959]

This is incredible and I can’t wait to see what the final version will turn out like

[@qazxl123]

2014 WCA ID here, I like what the WCA does now, but I love this. This is great work

[@brandiepop]

this is a crazy good idea that i dont think anyone would come up with but actually doesnt seem that hard to code or get working, you really showed how inferior the current system is for cubing due to it being stolen from speed stacking. Well done and id love to see this at a comp in the future

[@TheMagicCuber]

This is genuinely one of the coolest advancements cubing has seen in a long time. I was so sad I couldn't make it to the seminar and the replay on twitch didn't show any of this (plus the audio was bad), but this seems awesome! My only questions are how it interacts with WCA as well as what would need to happen setup-wise with these (including wifi and power/batteries), as well as the cost should one break/need repair.

[@TimeBaseProject]

We plan on giving organizers the option of AA batteries and a rechargeable battery. As far as the network, it is run on a local server with supplied preconfigured routers. In the unlikely case that the system goes down during a comp, scorecards can always be used as a backup. Repair cost would be very much on a case by case basis but no single repair would be incredibly expensive.

[@eddievakk]

Hi Dan I’m your #1 fan 😍

[@cubedcommunities_mn3242]

This is cool!!!

[@coconutcubes5750]

That is brilliant. It has been a system I’ve been dreaming for. Edit: hopefully there are ways to turn off inspection, for BLD events

[@E-Cubing]

very good

[@Bryn..]

yo this is actually insane. Good job, sub earned :)

[@saiyamjain6217]

Future of Cubing 🤯🤯🤯

[@speedcubingxtreme387]

THIS IS CRAZY WHATT

[@J.J.J.J.J.J.J]

TimeBase is great. It should also say the "8" and "12".

[@JustAnotherAsianCuber]

👍👍

[@idk-rb7hw]

This ideas good i cant wait to see the final

[@3DCubing]

Im Subbed On Your First video ever, this is insane you made me impressed really!!

[@christoforcostea14]

It would be really cool if you could make the display to time up to 1 hour even without the stackmat for bigblind events

[@TimeBaseProject]

That's the plan. We're currently finding the best way to implement that but it will be a feature in future versions.

[@whotyjones]

Great work Calvin and Dan!

[@mrbob5459]

I’m going to Basc 54 and I’m so hyped!!!

[@typhoonmindulle0118]

damn that was nice

[@JJCuber27]

This is so futuristic

[@KRISONTHETABLET]

IT NEEDS TO HAVE MORE TIME PRECISION!

[@rairaidj1]

Insane innovation, this could change everything

[@JoshuaG867]

This idea is really interesting! Just don't forget to blink every once in a while

[@GekkiSpeedruns]

Awesome idea! I can't wait to see how this will develop over time. Good luck!

[@tjkelly9051]

Glad to see you finally got a new phone Calvin

[@maddness_the_yoshi628]

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@arianmartinnunez8816]

Thats the future of speedcubing for sure

[@brickinapresent]

thats really cool

[@thecubermint]

It's actually a good invention!

[@kaemonvita]

if the display does so much already, why don’t you have it say 8/12 to eliminate extras and incidents based on the judge saying the wrong things in inspection?

[@TimeBaseProject]

We want to keep it simple. The more we add to the display, the more we could get wrong. While this is a simple thing in theory, if we add all the simple things, the attention to the other things may be lower. We discussed this a while ago and determined that we won't include this initially. This may be added later.

[@BNSF4749Railfan]

I can't wait for this to take off.

[@theflockingGoose]

Absolutely based

[@solver5k]

Wow. Very well thought out!

[@skwebjacob]

This is so cool! Just one thing, would it be better to replace the 'ok' label with an 'enter' label or something like that to avoid confusion over the 'ok' label maybe being interpreted as a button to reset penalties?

[@tytano23]

This is actually pretty cool!

[@Ludwigspeedcuber]

This idea sounds super good

[@jacobnokes]

Missed the seminar at Nats This is very cool

[@ClutchCps]

This is epic. Excited to see this starting to show up in comps soon!

[@kristinwiley3109]

If I were a delegate and using this system, I'd wear my smart phone around my neck upside down to get notifications.

[@SillyCRMAN]

This is the best thing ever

[@kyh148]

sounds swag as fuck

[@query25]

Brilliant ,just mabye a seperate panel for the judge not on the display

[@InfinityCuberRS3M]

really excited to see this in comps soon!! i know it won't be in full use(saw that scorecards will still be use before it is proved 100% accurate), but it is still really cool and would completely streamline the comp

[@EvanWrightSpeedcubing]

This is awesome. Can’t wait to see how this works and hopefully I get to try this at some point

[@Anthony_Jiang]

This is sick!! Can’t wait!

[@cubingforfun3191]

I was 200th sub🎉

[@cuberstache]

This is fantastic, I can't wait.

[@sumiranmaiskar]

This is very cool 😮✨✨

[@Silentema]

Nice!

[@prevostluc4025]

I love it! Why did we have to wait 2023 for this!? I hope the WCA will accept it and I look forward to see that in comps!

[@erikjernqvist3862]

How about keeping going for 10+ minute times (and switching to (h:)mm:ss format)? Sure, you would need to run an internal timer and the judge would have to manually stop the timer, but can't really see how this would be particularly difficult.

[@Solorubik1]

Thailand should have this fast

[@BearManWoodcrafts]

awesome

[@rubrikduck]

How are the times communicated between the displays and database? Many venues don't supply wifi, so perhaps bluetooth or some other local wireless frequency could be a better approach.

[@TimeBaseProject]

We run a local server. The timebase kit comes with a router preconfigured for the TimeBase displays.

[@JekabsJan]

Wow! Really cool

[@IcuantesPessinaldo982]

I wonder if you can implement the same features on the timebase display on the speedstacks display

[@sokweydyt8831]

bro this guys solved wca

[@dantetellecheahultmark2881]

I looove this!!! Oblygt thing is that this would be really confusing for new competitors

[@TimeBaseProject]

Actually new competitors won't know the old system. It's more likely to be confusing to returning competitors, and eventually that won't be an issue.

[@dantetellecheahultmark2881]

@@TimeBaseProject thats true

[@karolluptak9871]

a great relief in many cases. But there are still some problems, e.g. Not every building has good Wi-Fi, let alone Wi-Fi. Another thing is that printing on those nfc cards will also be quite difficult to deal with (I think your photo and your data printed on the card) and the whole timer will be even more expensive. And hold on, I don't know how long can it works. The battery will be interesting

[@TheBookDoctor]

The concept is very intriguing. Ergonomically, as a judge, reaching up to interact with the TimeBase display does not seem ideal. I would much prefer it the buttons were on a separate pad or something that's down on the table. Also, the buttons (wherever they are) should be larger, have some sort of indicative icons on them, and be physically separated so that it's less likely you'll press the wrong one. It would also be good to have some sort of "undo" button in case you press +2 when you meant to press DNF or something like that.

[@CewbPianist]

having the sensor on the bottom might be better imagine some people judging can't reach the top, the bottom would work better

[@TimeBaseProject]

This has been brought up to us in the past. We have some loose plans for a peripheral board that would connect to the display but nothing set in stone just yet. As for undoing button presses, DNF cycles back if pushed again and +2 cycles back to 0 after going past +16.

[@TheBookDoctor]

​@@TimeBaseProject Well, we'll all be interested to hear how it goes at BASC. In the interests of transparency, I'd like you to post a BASC-debrief video in which you share whatever you learned from the experience, both the good and the bad, and ideas that will inevitably come to mind for further improvements.

[@hperm2022]

Nice! I wonder what would happen if we tested it out for a competition!

[@TWCubed]

It will be tested at BASC 54!

[@KacperPaweDworak]

Are we sure we can trust the display on showing the result? On competitions you are supposed not to luck at the display but to look at the timer to record a time on a scorecard

[@Nightroast]

they are told not to look at the display because stackmat displays have issues. it seems these will be extremely more reliable

[@TimeBaseProject]

The signature tagging is to verify the times are the same. If they are different, they press the delegate button and the delegate will override it with the correct time. We haven't had any issues yet with them yet, but we also haven't ran them in a competition yet.

[@KacperPaweDworak]

That makes sense. Thank you for clarifying!

[@xyrn23]

damnnn

[@OxzowachiAlt]

does this mean only one scramble would be able to be displayed at one time on a single screen? what if two scramblers need two different scrambles at the same time?

[@TimeBaseProject]

We show a split screen. We recommend no more than 2 scramblers per device. The more split the screen is, the higher odds of a wrong scramble. The split screen is based on how many NFC readers there are plugged in.

[@HumphreyWittingtonsworthIV]

hi calvin

[@2oux]

magnet man

[@OxzowachiAlt]

gun

[@ananimatingcuber]

This is pretty cool, but I do have a problem, this system has no guarantee that there won’t be any glitches, pen and paper never glitches, humans do which is where problems emerge, and based on that fact there’s no guarantee that a judge won’t make a mistake, this is still cool but we won’t technology our way out of making mistakes and tech introduces a new failure point.

[@Arkesus]

Not to mention, biros are cheap as hell.

[@ananimatingcuber]

@@Arkesus what’s a biros?

[@jaidonlin_cI0nK]

@@ananimatingcuberI think he meant bios

[@Arkesus]

the plural of "a biro" as in mass produced ball point pen @@ananimatingcuber

[@coderguru4664]

@@ananimatingcuber a biro is another word for ballpoint pen

[@TheRealUncleFrank]

I know this is just a prototype, so the final buttons on the back for DNF, +2, etc, should be bigger/better, but hopefully a bit further apart, too, so no accidentally pressing the wrong one. I saw the +2 button just cycles all the way thru +16 and back to 0, in case of accidental presses, but what about accidental presses of OK or DNF? Do they need to be press and hold for a fraction of a second, like the power and reset on a G5 stackmat, to help avoid accidental presses?

[@CewbPianist]

Absolutely agreed, especially for newer users it could be easy to do that which something needs to be done to prevent this.

[@TimeBaseProject]

DNF cycles back if the button is pressed again. Even if a judge is to press OK, the time would not be submitted without a competitor signature meaning you can go back and make changes accordingly.

[@dr.anonymous2.068]

When will it come to india

[@sokweydyt8831]

​will the timebase display be for sale?

[@jameschea.]

does every competitor get a different nfc tag for each round or do they use the same one? does the nfc tag know what scrambles to do when events are simultaneous?

[@TimeBaseProject]

The NFC tag is inside your nametag. It will be used throughout the duration of the competition. Replacements can be made on the spot at competitions, but this does take time and is not a process delegates will want to do frequently.

[@cubingnilol1234]

[@Trackcuber]

How much does it cost?

[@FLWHam7010]

How much will it cost

[@ArvindJuneja]

Can I invest?

[@Balandinis]

Any plans on open sourcing this project?

[@TheRealUncleFrank]

The FAQ says no.

[@newkennguyen]

Just some questions, once these are available for purchase, how much would these cost? Also, will the name cards be sold separately?

[@TimeBaseProject]

Cards will be made/ordered elsewhere by the organizers. Any NFC tag will work, they just need to be mapped. Prices aren't finalized, but they'll probably be around $55-70

[@E-Cubing]

What about teaching how to judge wouldn't that be hard

[@Cubefan000]

Whats happens if a judge accidentally pressed the wrong button

[@RWOT1M]

Can u buy this?

[@TimeBaseProject]

Not at the moment. These will be available mass produced ideally within the next year.

[@Mysticscubing]

good idea but the community median age is like 11 so this would be very hard to teach young people how to use this

[@speeedycuber]

sounds amazing but expensive lol

[@TheRealUncleFrank]

The FAQ says they will be cheaper than a Speedstacks display.

[@nikitakusuma8440]

@@TheRealUncleFrank the amount of work to make the NFC tag and private or local connection is added so it can still make it more expensive than our regular comp

[@CewbPianist]

from googling, nfc tags seem to be very inexpensive so I doubt it'll cost that much