Timegrapher Tutorial: Explaining Amplitude, Beat Error, And Lift Angle (Weishi No. 1000)

[@enceladus2263]

I don’t even own a mechanical watch, yet here I am lol

[@savage22bolt32]

I don't know how to work on a watch, but I bought electric clippers & taught myself how to cut my own hair 😂. Seriously, this is a great vid!❤

[@RadioRich100]

Yank on your willy everything comes true.

[@warshauer]

Best video on the topic. The guy knows what he’s talking about and can explain it in simple language.

[@Jake-bt3fc]

Thanks, this video saved me 200 bucks on a vintage watch I was about to buy with a beat error of 9.8 and an amplitude of 119°

[@ManchesterStrong]

Regulating the beat error can bring the amp right up , also if it’s not wound that can show very low figures ,

[@zbysekuhlik8269]

Thanks for the great video. Today I bought a timegrapher 1000 and this video helped me a lot. I'm Czech, so I apologize for any mistakes.

[@Judas_Phart]

@ Zbyšek Uhlik Your English in your reply is perfect.

[@zbysekuhlik8269]

Thank you.

[@Judas_Phart]

@@zbysekuhlik8269 You are welcome.

[@savage22bolt32]

but in US we spell it "check". JK of course, every comment helps the algorithm for the creator.

[@tomhill4003]

This is the best tutorial I have found to explain time graphing. Thanks!

[@the1010watchclub]

Glad it was helpful! Thank you

[@savage22bolt32]

​@@the1010watchclub Thanks for the wonderful video, and a huge thanks for not ruining it with crappy background music. I don't know why some people are compelled to add annoying background music throughout their videos.

[@clijeron1973]

This video was very informative. Thank you !! I bought a watch and the vendor sent me a photo of the measurements, but I had no clue what they meant ... until now ! Thank you !

[@mike73ng]

In addition to the two lines as a graphical representation of beat error, the slope of the line (s) corresponds with the gain or loss per day. Steeper lines means greater gain or loss.

[@GhostHostMemories]

ive always wondered what the graph was for. never made sense until now.

[@andrewhannam.]

This was extremely useful!

[@deeno1114]

This may be one of the most useful videos I’ve seen on KZbin. Well done.

[@the1010watchclub]

Thank you!

[@gregr1154]

so this is actually the BEST and most simple description of these tools. simple, to the point. fantastic!!!

[@the1010watchclub]

thank you!

[@gregr1154]

@@the1010watchclub i had the timegrapher in my AliExpress cart for weeks on end, but only ended up buying it (the 1900 version) after watching your vid so that i could actually make sense of the information it'll give me.

[@BasicallyWatches]

This was very educational! Thanks for sharing and explaining it so well.

[@the1010watchclub]

Thanks for watching, glad I could help!

[@gaius_marius]

Thanks! Best timegrapher tutorial I've seen so far. I just ordered my Weishi 1000 from Amazon.

[@the1010watchclub]

Thank you! Glad it was helpful

[@camarocarl7130]

Thanks so much, absolutely the best explanations with diagrams. You are talented instructor.

[@mr22guy]

Thank you for making this video. When I searched youtube to learn what beat error is, I never dreamed that I'd find a video so clear, thorough, and helpful. I downloaded a watch accuracy app, which just uses the phone's microphone to measure rate and graph it. However, because of your explanation of beat error graphing, I was able to adjust the rate AND the beat error.

[@the1010watchclub]

So glad it was helpful!

[@georgeiceman867]

Can you share the app name ? Thanks.

[@Judas_Phart]

@@georgeiceman867 Watch Tuner Timegrapher by Bartlomiej Swiatek price is £11.99 is possibly/probably the app he was on about. The same developer also has two other apps that are for a watch. Hope this helps, if you haven’t found it yet.

[@tjalessi]

VERY good. That was so informative. Thank you.

[@KRColson]

Excellent explanation of the jargon used by horologists! Thank you so much for sharing.

[@ccedraro3878]

The best tutorial I have found to explain time graphing. Best Regards and Thanks!

[@awensman25]

Best explanation on KZbin

[@the1010watchclub]

Much appreciated

[@gravynog]

This was great info - the kind of thing I pretended to know watching other videos, but never really understood until now. So, thank you! Also, you should slap your branding on one of those coasters and start selling merch 😏

[@the1010watchclub]

Glad it was helpful! And good idea- enough channels sell straps, I need to get on the coaster game 😂

[@rons7555]

Thank you. Very informative and comprehensive explanation of the concepts. I’m now more clear after watching your useful video. 👍🏼

[@paulambry]

A clear, concise and effective explanation. Really helpful. Thanks very much.

[@the1010watchclub]

Thank you!!

[@jeffcullen6573]

Just thought it was funny I search "Timegrapher", and one of the first videos I find has a 5-string Spector in the background! Awesome basses. I've had a couple of NS5CRFMs over the years. Always loved the Spector sound and build quality, but they just don't fit me -- especially the second one I had which was a 35". 5-string duties are currently filled by a G&L L-2500 and StingRay 5 Classic. I feel like I really only need one fiver, and the 'Ray has the better B string... but I just can't bring myself to sell the G&L -- it's INSANELY flexible! Great video btw! Have fun!

[@the1010watchclub]

That’s awesome! I’ve had that one for going on 20 years. Hard to part with

[@a.aguilar]

With the lift angle the timegrapher doesn't detect the accuracy, it is a parameter used only to calculate the amplitude. The amplitude is the swing of the balance wheel not from one end to the other as you said, but from the resting position (which should be with the impulse pin in the center of the pallet fork) to one of the sides, so from one end to the other end is around twice the amplitude.

[@bonibroco1076]

Correct!

[@jimwatchyyc]

This doesn’t “add up” to me though. Using your methodology, an amplitude of 270 degrees would mean “from one end to the other is” 540 degrees, which is one and a half full turns of the balance wheel - that just does not happen.

[@a.aguilar]

@@jimwatchyyc Sorry but it isn't my methodology. 270⁰ amplitude is indeed 540⁰ in total.

[@tebonr]

@@a.aguilar way late here, but I think he is saying that the balance wheel doesn’t make a 540° rotation though. In the video it’s not even doing one full rotation

[@a.aguilar]

@@tebonr In a watch with a 270º amplitude, the balance does a 540º rotation from one end to the other. It is how it works.

[@Jon-nz3dm]

Thank you, I was very curious about amplitude and how/why it mattered.

[@Donnybrook10]

for the record, you can correct the beat error on all watches with a hair spring. It's more difficult for older watches like pocket watches because you need to rotate the hairspring collet on the staff. Difficult to do because it requires alot of trial and error. You may also need to reposition the stud to make the hairspring longer/shorter.

[@gacckii]

man, you are great, thank you for what you are doing. i am going to watch all your stuff right now!!

[@the1010watchclub]

Welcome to the channel, thank you!

[@sportclay1]

Realize this is an old video but I thought I would add that The very first thing I do when a watch comes for service is check the watch to see if it has become magnetized. Good indication is a sudden change in the rate of the watch. Usually runs fast. None of the regulating and adjusting is valid without eliminating the magnetic problem. Simple to correct (usually). The balance spring is what is affected by magnetism and amplitude and rate are directly affected by this. Your Seiko in the video that was running very fast would make me suspicious of a magnetic issue. The hair spring will usually contract if magnetic and effectively shorten the spring making the watch run fast. Well done video.

[@johnbeard7404]

Extremely helpful. The best that I have found. Thank you.

[@the1010watchclub]

Thank you!

[@martinprenger2586]

This is an outstanding video which clearly outlines the proper use of a timegrapher. Especially the information regarding lift angle: I see lots of videos with watches on the timegrapher while using the wrong lift angle.... Very well done, keep up the good work. Martin

[@the1010watchclub]

Thank you, Martin! Much appreciated

[@rohanrohilla1080]

Great video Jonah. I think you should do one with demagnetizer as well and also about how to regulate a watch.

[@the1010watchclub]

Yes! A regulating video is coming soon

[@davidobrien9362]

Ahh, mate, what a great, concise clip, really well explained, sort of half knew but now you've taught me what's going on with, and why, the numbers, Many Thanks.

[@the1010watchclub]

Really appreciate it! Thanks for watching

[@vvvhhhhhbb]

Bloody great video mate. Cheers.

[@Mars-zgblbl]

Thanks for a very clear explanation! Did anyone notice the animation at 3:04 has beat error?

[@juliop5197]

😱

[@JDRichard]

Your description of amplitude is wrong. It is the angle the watch swings where the bounce is at rest to its farthest angle in either direction. What you described was a full swing of the bounce and not the amplitude

[@the1010watchclub]

Thank you for the clarification

[@lucafwn]

A great tutorial! Thanks a lot for sharing.

[@StephaneACCADEBLED-tw7bn]

Merci c'est très clair avec le disque en liège ! 👌😉

[@fredericksilva7365]

very helpful informative thank you!

[@Munchkin2000]

I've been reviewing many a video on this subject and what I didn't understand from one, I picked up from another. But this one all the info you need in a simple explanation all in the one place. I wish I had teachers like this guy when I was at school (when dinosaur's roamed the earth).

[@the1010watchclub]

Thanks for the support, great to hear!

[@loaded2820]

Excellent and informative video. Thank you 🙏🏻

[@emmetg888]

Exactly what I was looking for thanks

[@duaneelverum6131]

This is great - clear and simple - thank you

[@the1010watchclub]

Glad it was helpful!

[@eslideit]

Super tutorial. Thanks!

[@the1010watchclub]

Thanks for watching!

[@blacksmithmods]

Very well explained. Thanks!

[@felo6035]

Thank you...thank you...thank you!!! Terrific video, and most useful. I really appreciate you taking the time to cover this information. The only downside is that now I really want to but a timegrapher 🙂

[@the1010watchclub]

Thanks for watching as always. Just a warning, if you get one you may not stop testing your watches 😀

[@felo6035]

@@the1010watchclub That's what I am afraid of 🤣

[@jimwatchyyc]

@@the1010watchclub😂

[@sergealarcon4648]

🤗 Best explanation of how a Timegrapher works so far🙏

[@BigDuke6ixx]

Very clear and concise, thanks very much

[@joseahumada9689]

Excellent video

[@the1010watchclub]

Thank you!

[@kman4310]

Excellent tutorial

[@the1010watchclub]

thank you!

[@eh235]

Thanks!!! You made that simple 👏

[@adenovirus.]

Best videos ever

[@chateaubullion2560]

Little late to the party but thank you, thank you, thank you! Now I know what I'm doing with my Timegrapher.

[@The_Scienceboy]

I believe amplitude is half what you demonstrated in here, ie the angle from the fork to the maximum rotation. Measured the way you described, I have an old dirty watch with amplitude of almost 400deg.

[@itsjojo4]

Holy cow what a good video! Thanks bud!

[@the1010watchclub]

Thank you! Glad it was helpful

[@alexharris8500]

Brilliant vedio man. To the point 🥃🥃

[@the1010watchclub]

Much appreciated!

[@miguelfoncerrada]

Good!!! He mentions a database of lift angles but I don’t see the link.

[@InCountry6970]

Perfect explanation, thanks

[@mrpipspoppersv9093]

Thank you for a very informative video.

[@devicentemingo]

Great video, well explained! Thank you so much.

[@michelcedrick]

Dear sir, tanks for sharing this excellent video.

[@MidEnginedFan]

I just got the 1900 model and this was helpful, thanks!

[@the1010watchclub]

Glad it helped!

[@thisoldbelair]

Fantastic video, thanks! This was perfect and exactly what i needed. My brand new Seiko is running terribly so i’m doing my research so i can attempt to regulate it myself.

[@the1010watchclub]

Happy to help- good luck!

[@LaithFaouri]

Thank you!

[@ianboard544]

As a side note, you can get a timegrapher application 'tg-timer' open source avail for windows and linux. All you need is your laptop and a microphone.

[@hectorm1520]

excellent tutorial!

[@19pacman73]

thanks for the nice explanation!

[@MIt-ql5bo]

great explanation, thank you a lot

[@alioral1358]

Thank you so much

[@rhendricksonn]

Very informative, thanks.

[@benyabarshai]

Thank you so much for this - everything explained with articulation and simplicity!

[@MyRetroWatches]

I work on tons of Seikos and I can tell you that 200+ amplitude is normal for a Seiko you will be lucky to see 230-250 on any vintage Seiko or just about any 7### series. You can also adjust beat with or without a moving stud arm. You just have to shorten or lengthen the hairspring at the stud pin. Other than that your explanation was spot on.

[@the1010watchclub]

Thanks for the tips!

[@jimwatchyyc]

Thanks, good to know. I just bought a new Addiesdive with NH35=movement, in less than 24 hours it has lost 5 minutes or so. I’ll try demagnetizing it but maybe it just needs to settle in.

[@fredericnadjar7201]

Merci pour toutes les explications

[@ShikLam666]

Wow, thanks a lot, I always want to know what is going on with a timegrapher. Now Taft I know, I will get myself one to check all my watches.

[@the1010watchclub]

Have fun!

[@PixelSchnitzel]

How is the timegrapher computing those values from the sound? What are the characteristics of the sound impulses that it's measuring?

[@brianmccarthy7768]

Brilliant explanation. Thanks!

[@ytfeelslikenorthkorea]

6:46 f.uuu.... you made me feel old.... 80's is RETRO? It was my teenage years and it feels like a year ago :)

[@AC-dl5yh]

Great vid, thank you. Clear and to the point. I might have missed it, but what is the significance of the traces not being horizontal e.g. starting from top left and ending bottom right?

[@watchalot919]

The lift angle only has a small amount of effect on the amplitude, so it doesn't bear much relevance, RE amplitude, an ETA movement or any of it;s clones will happily run at 325, whilst it is rare an NH35 or 7s26 will run higher than 275. Anything below 0.5 beat error is fine, and many say anything less that 1.0 is OK. A poor beat error will effect the positional variance and may contribute towards excess wear of the movement.

[@nigelmcmorris9096]

That was very well presented and described. I see that there are two models of the Timegrapher - 1000 and 1900. Could you tell me whether the 1900 has any worthwhile features over and above the 1000? Thank you.

[@the1010watchclub]

Thank you! From what I could find, the 1900 has a slightly bigger display so it is able to show the lift angle and bph simultaneously instead of alternating back and forth, and it has a color display. Other than that, they both give the 3 main readings of amplitude, beat error, bph, and allow you to set the lift angle, which is all you really need.

[@nigelmcmorris9096]

@@the1010watchclub Thanks very much indeed for replying and sharing those details. I’ve since ordered up the 1000. I want to use it to health-check watches in my more permanent collection, to assess how near they are to needing a service, and to check pre-owned watches I buy to determine how sound the movement in them might be. Thanks again.

[@the1010watchclub]

@@nigelmcmorris9096 my pleasure, let me know how you end up liking it

[@gregr1154]

@@the1010watchclub i did some digging and there's more - the 1900 has extra averaging features which can do the accuracy down to X.X sec/day rather than just X sec/day (so 1.7 instead of 2 for example), which to me is well worth the extra $40 or so, and made me buy the 1900 this morning. the color screen has additional graphic options too but for me the real value would be in having the X.X resolution. am i at +2, or am i at +1.6 or +2.4? that's a big difference yet one will show just 2 while the other will tell me more.

[@Judas_Phart]

I was trying to decide if I should get the 1000 or the 1900, and have spent some time trying to find out what the difference was between them. I believe what I have seen and read is correct, although I cannot be 100% sure of the information listed below. I am going by information and reviews given about the 1000 and the 1900. Some Information was also from an electronics forum, and a thread that a forum member started, that talked about the 1900 and showed photos of the 1900 when it was taken apart and examined. If you are unsure about which one to get, my advice would be that YOU find as much information as you can about both of them, and that you make your choice based on the information that YOU find. The 1900 has a larger screen than the 1000. The 1900 has a better screen than the 1000. The screen on the 1900 shows a cleaner and crisper display. The 1900 screen can show more information on the screen at the same time. The 1900 has more up to date software. The 1000 is accurate to 1 second. The 1900 is accurate to 0.1 second.

[@MrDjonz52]

Great explanation. Thank you.

[@jamesrobin9004]

Great video. Thanks for sharing

[@zHumanfactor]

Nicely done sir.

[@the1010watchclub]

Thank you!

[@geraldbasford6713]

Great thanks

[@nisbet316]

Great video👍🏻 should you try to regulate a -20 to +40 secs a day rated movement to 0? Would this damage the watch?

[@the1010watchclub]

If it’s not expensive, I’d recommend giving it a try. Those parameters shouldn’t affect how easy or difficult it is to regulate

[@tmushy]

Great video thank you

[@juliop5197]

👏👏👏👏👏 thats all i have to say about this video 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@hardy1416]

Wow what a interesting well explained video ⭐️⭐️⭐️👍

[@the1010watchclub]

Thank you!

[@4by_yotaguy373]

Great video explanation!!! 👍

[@armigp]

Thanks

[@_Brohan]

Great video, thank you.

[@stoundingresults]

Bada bing, now I Know. Thanks.

[@eduardovillarreal471]

What does rate mean? What should be a reasonable rate? Does a “bad rate” could be fixed by demagnetizing the watch?

[@abdulmsiddiqui4344]

Rate means the beats per hour of the second hand (ticks per hour). It is fixed for each movement. Some watches have 18,000 (means 5 ticks per second) and some, 21,600, some 36,000. It depends upon the design. You cannot change it

[@docgaurino589]

My seiko 5 watch is running good , when i test it on an android app Watch Accuracy meter, it reads as follows ,beat error 4.8-7.8 ms, and the rate is 5 to15 s/d and -5 to-15 s/d depends on the orientation of the watch. If i leave it that way ,any possible not good can happen to my watch.? Thank you for the reply

[@MisterB88]

Thank you for the video, this explains a lot! What do we do with the lift angle if we have no idea what movement it is?

[@the1010watchclub]

I would keep it to the default setting. It might not be exact but it should give you a general idea at least

[@jarrodclyne707]

Excellently explained, thank you!

[@erico6247]

Awesome thanks for taking the time to explain to us rookies a little about the timegrapher!

[@antoniomilla2004]

Own one of these and now I know exactly how it works.

[@JDRichard]

However, your video was excellent aside from a slight problem with the description of amplitude. I too had the same issue and was corrected many times.

[@1916casan]

Finally nice and easy to get tutorial on timegrapher :) Nice, thanks!

[@the1010watchclub]

Glad it helped!

[@ChefTom777]

Thank you so much.. i think you are the only one that completely explained everything to know about using the timegrapher.. now i am 100% decided to buy a timegrapher because i know now how to use it.. You deseve a like & sub. God bless you dude..

[@the1010watchclub]

Really glad it was helpful and thanks for the sub! There's a few links in the description to help you find the best price if you're planning on buying one 👍

[@docholliday9124]

Help please! Bought used tudor black bay 58 m79030n caliber MT5402 Time graph Test period 4s Lift Angle 49 degrees Wind 30 times let it run for 1 hour Then I tested it on timegrapher amplitude was under 250 so I wind it 20 more times then my readings were Dial up +1s/d Amplitude 262° Beat error 0. 3ms Parameters 28800 Vertical crown left -11s/d amplitude 189° bet error 0.3ms Parameters 28800 Vertical crown right -7s/d Amplitude 197° Beat error 0. Oms Parameters 28800 Dial face down -1s/d Amplitude 255° Beat error 0.2ms Parameters 28800 Does the watch need to be repaired? Should I return it? Thank you