P-47 Fighters Clash with German Bf-109s! Cinematic WWII Dogfighting Mini-Movie IL2 Sturmovik

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American P-47 Thunderbolt fighters clash with German Bf-109 fighters in a dogfight over France in 1944 in this cinematic mini-movie. This is a fictional recreation that was made using the World War II flight simulator IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles series. Hope you enjoy! Please like, comment, and subscribe.
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@FusionAero
@FusionAero 3 жыл бұрын
"If you want to impress your girl, fly a Mustang. If you want to make it back to your girl, fly a Thunderbolt."
@dieselyeti
@dieselyeti 3 жыл бұрын
My old boss flew both in WW2. He loved the Jug and had some incredible stories.
@Pete2635
@Pete2635 3 жыл бұрын
So true. It was just epic reading this. Thanks.
@matrox
@matrox 3 жыл бұрын
I impress my girl flying IL2 flight sims.🤣
@No.10_SopwithMan
@No.10_SopwithMan 3 жыл бұрын
The jug gets the job done!
@donaldstewart2124
@donaldstewart2124 2 жыл бұрын
@@dieselyeti q6z
@Trapper50cal
@Trapper50cal 3 жыл бұрын
My Grandfather piloted the Jug in WWII, bombing trains and convoys...I wondered how frequently they encountered enemy aircraft as a result. He flew 116 missions and retired to Florida so I'm guessing not a majority of the time. But, it also attests to how tanky they were.
@troyb.4101
@troyb.4101 3 жыл бұрын
It's all about destroying assests, the more you destroy the faster the war ends.
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 жыл бұрын
When P47's started being used primarily for ground attack they started losing pilots at a rate of ×4 then when they were being used as fighter's, your grandfather was in more danger doing that then fighting the Luftwaffe.
@jamesburns2232
@jamesburns2232 Жыл бұрын
The P-47 was twice as big as an Me-109 and better armed with 8 x (50 caliber) machine guns. Enough times the Me-109's emptied their guns trying to shoot down a P-47 gave the P-47 pilots great confidence that they were invincible. 🤠
@petercastles5978
@petercastles5978 3 жыл бұрын
I am no gamer and never will be, but I have gotten a little hooked on this stuff! Congrats to you folk for bringing the standard to this level. I have a soft spot for "The Jug", as well. What a beaut tough aeroplane she was. Thanks folks.
@eddufilho3247
@eddufilho3247 3 жыл бұрын
The nasty surprise of the Jug was that it was extremely fast and maneuverable above 30000 feet, the altitude at which it ha been designed to operate as a bomber interceptor. The four bladed prop made it dangerous from the deck to almost the stratosphere. Hell of a weapon.
@steveperreira5850
@steveperreira5850 3 жыл бұрын
The best of the German fighter pilots were killed by thunderbolt pilots over German held territory. The Germans were never able to replace these Experienced pilots at the same caliber of capability.
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 жыл бұрын
It really started to shine right around 15,000 ft because that's where the German fighter's performance started to drop due to their inferior supercharging systems.
@garrykolb8729
@garrykolb8729 3 жыл бұрын
My father flew a P-47 and over a 2 week period in November 1944 he shot down 3 FW-190s. While it was not as good in air-to-air combat its raw power and durability made up for much of its lack of maneuverability. However, it was by far the best close air support platform to come along during that period.
@laurencethornblade8101
@laurencethornblade8101 3 жыл бұрын
Over 25,000 ft it was.
@scorcher67
@scorcher67 3 жыл бұрын
By far ...mmm
@windborne8795
@windborne8795 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks to your father and his service! The Tempests or Typhoons were really great ground attack aircraft as well. 🇺🇸
@angelmarcano6747
@angelmarcano6747 3 жыл бұрын
Top-scoring ace in Europe at the end of the war with Gabby gabreski he flew p-47
@douganderson4474
@douganderson4474 3 жыл бұрын
But
@deejayimm
@deejayimm 3 жыл бұрын
I love that real life story in World War 2, of the German fighter pilot that emptied his guns into a P-47 that just wouldn't go down. The Thunderbolt was returning home and out of ammo, and the German dumped some rounds into his 6 and then pulled alongside and shook his head at the pilot, then got back on his six and emptied his guns. When the Thunderbolt still didn't go down, he pulled alongside and saluted the P-47 pilot, and escorted him back to his line. Its on the P-47 episode of dogfights.
@ret7army
@ret7army 3 жыл бұрын
sounds almost like Robert Johnson's episode, however he had been bounced while in formation, badly shot up, and unable to bail out due to damage received to the P47 he had ammunition, but wasn't able to respond when he was found by a German. He did make it back and went on to become America's second highest scoring ace in the ETO.
@deejayimm
@deejayimm 3 жыл бұрын
@@ret7army could be, it was years ago when I saw it.
@foilist1
@foilist1 3 жыл бұрын
Yes it was Robert Johnson.
@deejayimm
@deejayimm 3 жыл бұрын
@@foilist1 Wasn't that the guy who sang Sweet Home Chicago....... lol
@jjones7155
@jjones7155 3 жыл бұрын
@@ret7army Yes indeed, it was Robert S. Johnson, 56FG, he was the second highest scoring USAAF in ETO with 27 confirmed kills and he did manage to fire on the Luftwaffe pilot at one point but without effect. A fellow 56FG pilot named Francis S. Gabreski had 28 confirmed kills before striking the ground while strafing a Luftwaffe airdrome. Gabreski would later score 6 more kills in the Korean War flying the F86 Sabre, he was a two war ace with 34 total kills.
@philalcoceli6328
@philalcoceli6328 2 жыл бұрын
That was a brave and efficient but also very mature, level-headed, prudent, self-disciplined fighter pilot. A winning and living combination!
@kevinmalone3210
@kevinmalone3210 3 жыл бұрын
The P 47, nicknamed, the Jug, was one tough effective fighter.
@twinsnails4983
@twinsnails4983 2 жыл бұрын
@Prestallar 😂 what are you talking about it was perfectly capable as long as your boom and zoom and kept the speed up
@bobmalack481
@bobmalack481 2 жыл бұрын
Its a dogfighter if your smart, hit 'the brakes' and let 'Jerry overshoot you. P47 1 tough plane that can take hits..especially in the bubble canopy in 'D trim.
@mutingp
@mutingp Жыл бұрын
​@Prestallar bro I think u played to much warthunder
@A1Fotovids
@A1Fotovids 3 жыл бұрын
P-47 fans might also enjoy an Emmy nominated KZbin video entitled "Behind Enemy Lines" which features a 97 year old P-47 fighter pilot, Wally King, who flew 75 missions in France and Germany before being shot down and captured. My neighbor and friend, Wally and two other veterans will soon be presented the French Legion of Honor medal by the French Consul for their service in France during the war. It is an amazing story.
@steveperreira5850
@steveperreira5850 3 жыл бұрын
Dear A1: I will go watch the recommended movie, thank you for the tip. You have been very helpful, Steve
@davy1458
@davy1458 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the suggestion....i shall give it a look see
@Danko05
@Danko05 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info, just watched that video, awesome.
@dev-9962
@dev-9962 2 жыл бұрын
It's gotta be hard to replicate these stories with the correct outcomes. I mean that's amazing that you can just get rounds through the canopy and not kill the pilot or cause major damage. Keep up the good work, these are very entertaining!
@rodneypayne4827
@rodneypayne4827 3 жыл бұрын
Those who say the Jug can't dogfight don't know about Zemke's Wolfpack,56th fighter group, highest scoring fighter group in the ETO.
@jimbo6413
@jimbo6413 3 жыл бұрын
The Thunderbolt, however clumsy it may have been at low altitude, was an exceptionally nimble fighting machine at 25,000 feet and above where the turbocharger fully maximized the performance of that beastly Pratt & Whitney R-2800 (which many a Luftwaffe pilot discovered to his horror). The Spitfire and Mustang may have been sexier, but pound for pound the P-47 was just as effective a fighter (if not even more so in a few respects such as survivability and firepower).
@davegeisler7802
@davegeisler7802 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimbo6413 the Jug was a hot ship and very fast at high altitude and could hold its own against any Nazi fighter.
@j.muckafignotti4226
@j.muckafignotti4226 2 жыл бұрын
The P-47 was acknowledged as the fighter which destroyed more German aircraft than any of the others. It was the scourge of the Nazi war machine destroying the most ships, trains, bridges, aircraft, airfields, marshaling yards, armor, and vehicles. It had the highest survivability rate of any American aircraft during WWII. When the 56th fighter wing changed over to the P-51, there were many, including Francis Gabreski, who preferred the P-47.
@antonrudenham3259
@antonrudenham3259 3 жыл бұрын
Best evasive manoeuvre in other fighters= power dive or turn into opponent. Best evasive manoeuvre in a P47= Get out of the seat and run around the cockpit. That's what WW2 jug drivers themselves claimed.
@benwelch4076
@benwelch4076 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, your story telling is getting better. I truly believe you should do a two parter on a pilot or event. I have seen what you can do in fifteen minutes, but what about two fifteen minute episodes. What ever is better than 'epic', is how I'm sure it will turn out, if you choose to do it. Cheers, dude.
@gordonvorenkamp6306
@gordonvorenkamp6306 3 жыл бұрын
I met a man that flew p47s in ground attack in Europe. He was my neighbor's grandfather. He did not see much air to air combat.
@adamjaquay4279
@adamjaquay4279 3 жыл бұрын
After the Allies broke out from Normandy most air combat ceased for about 2 months as the luftwaffe redeployed from their forward airbases that were being overrun back to the Reich. I know during Normandy at least air activities from both sides was pretty intense with 3800 Allied and 2300 German aircraft being lost or written off. Your buddy was probably flying during that down time it seems which was very lucky on his part lol!!
@curtismiller8529
@curtismiller8529 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard several times that most fighter pilots back perfered to fly the P-47 thunderbolt, I think it's a good looking fighter. If I had to go to war back then as a pilot, I would prefer to fly the thunderbolt more so than the Mustang.
@OutbackAl
@OutbackAl 2 жыл бұрын
I love the graphics!
@blueduster74
@blueduster74 Жыл бұрын
Met him and Bud at Miramar in the 80s along with Greg Boyington, some other Americans and a couple German and Japanese Aces. They had a different group each year but that was the most memorable. 1986 or 87 I believe. I went to six straight and three more with my squadron mates if HS-14 in the early 90s. We had a t-shirt booth to raise money for Sea Cadets and participated in 92.
@johnnyd9992
@johnnyd9992 3 жыл бұрын
love the graphics and content ..the jug was short for juggernaut..cause nearly nothing would stop this plane
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody knows for sure if Jug was short for juggernaut or milk jug due to their appearance. That's one of those mysteries that the answer to has spun off into the universe forever and we'll never know for sure.
@TheGrenadier97
@TheGrenadier97 2 жыл бұрын
5:31 - What an elegant bird!
@zacharyvonroeder6873
@zacharyvonroeder6873 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I found your channel and am now a subscriber. Do you have a video about Charles Brown, Franz Stigler and the bomber Ye Olde Pub or do you plan on making one? Love that account and book A Higher Call. It should be made into a movie
@eddted2876
@eddted2876 3 жыл бұрын
P 51 Mustang was a.great plane also during WW 2! P 47 did.so well also!
@lotharroberts5978
@lotharroberts5978 3 жыл бұрын
According to the pilots of the p-47s, it was a perilous, dangerous game strafing. Fly too low, and your screwed. There's a terrible piece of film footage of a p-47 coming in on a crash landing only to have the pilot burn to death while the ground crew tried in vain to save him. Man, it was ugly.
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 жыл бұрын
The survival rate of belly landing in a damaged P47 was so high most pilots opted to do that as opposed bailing out considering that to be more dangerous. There's two pictures that can be found online of P47's that had 500 pound bombs go off right underneath them on the runway, one had one fall off during a take off, and the other one had one fall off on landing after it wouldn't release during it's mission, both P47's are thoroughly trashed and both had their pilots walk away unharmed. More P47 aces survived the war than any other fighter on anyone's side.
@keithcraig8270
@keithcraig8270 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, your stuff is dope! Wish I was half as talented. Keep it up bro.
@alanmeasures8337
@alanmeasures8337 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed that do more WW 1and 2
@LCRiverside
@LCRiverside 2 жыл бұрын
Great job on video , really enjoy them ,learn about the P47 ,the juggernaut
@crazymoose9875
@crazymoose9875 2 жыл бұрын
21st Century of the "Combat" TV series, where US Will never loose, even a poker game against the Germans.....
@KyleCowden
@KyleCowden 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see your treatment of Zemke's Wolf Pack. That seems like a documentary subject made for you.
@foilist1
@foilist1 3 жыл бұрын
Yes do Zemke’s Wolf pack.
@ret7army
@ret7army 3 жыл бұрын
The 56th FG, of which Gabreskie and Johnson had part.
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 жыл бұрын
The 56th Fighter Group showed up in Europe and went on the offensive, they ripped a path through the Luftwaffe that they never recovered from. Hermann Goering's pet fighter group the "Abbeyville Boys" were the 56th main advisories right across the Channel on the French coast, after the 56th tore into them they'd hammered their big time aces out of the sky and driven them from the coast inland. As an example Robert Johnson's 5th kill, the one that made him an ace, was a German pilot who had over 200 kills under his belt. Those dumb Nazi asshole's never stood a chance.
@franzvillagonzalo8249
@franzvillagonzalo8249 3 жыл бұрын
TJ3 your the best
@jrw2electricboogaloo411
@jrw2electricboogaloo411 2 жыл бұрын
A few hints that P-47 with its 850l machineguns 850 Cal's shooting in unison can spit out about 1,000 rounds for second
@CaptainXanax
@CaptainXanax 2 жыл бұрын
Being a AAA gunner in the back of a train would be the worst job ever.
@davidrivero7943
@davidrivero7943 2 жыл бұрын
Whats your next build , a Jug maybe. ?
@manboymax2175
@manboymax2175 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Good job!
@Hanshi64
@Hanshi64 3 жыл бұрын
awesome
@duaneronan8199
@duaneronan8199 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. But you forgot to show his flaps deploy, even though the narrator described it.
@peterkirgan6850
@peterkirgan6850 3 жыл бұрын
Like the mustang & p40 these planes were deadly wish the spitfire had better armament!!!
@csjrogerson2377
@csjrogerson2377 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on which Mk of Spitfire you are referring to.
@steveperreira5850
@steveperreira5850 3 жыл бұрын
It was a great mistake to have only 30 caliber machine gun’s on the Spitfire and hurricane during the first half of the war.
@csjrogerson2377
@csjrogerson2377 3 жыл бұрын
@@steveperreira5850 A few Mk1B were fitted with 2 x 20mm Hispano canon in Sep 1940. Depending on which wing type was fitted armament could be 2 x 20mm + 4 x 303 or 4 x 20mm.
@bertrandducouedic8621
@bertrandducouedic8621 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@NYC20thCenturyLtd
@NYC20thCenturyLtd 2 жыл бұрын
Those P-47s sure as HELL don't sound like P-47s... PS- KILL that music, too...
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 жыл бұрын
Actually they were pretty quiet up there, at the low levels they fly at in air shows the wastegate dumps are open and the exhaust is coming out of them right at the cowling, above 7,000 ft or so the wastegate valve's close and the exhaust is diverted to the turbo then out the exhaust outlet on the bottom of the fuselage behind the pilot, by the time it goes through the ductwork and out the turbo they were notoriously quiet compared to other fighter's, the P38's were the same way.
@rickharper1932
@rickharper1932 Жыл бұрын
I believe most of us are wise enough to understand what's going on without your narration.
@kentwilliams4152
@kentwilliams4152 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice…
@chriscraven33
@chriscraven33 3 жыл бұрын
better if there were no narration, I can see he's attacking train, rather hear engine roars, guns blazing
@larrylaurenzi1625
@larrylaurenzi1625 3 жыл бұрын
What a BEAUTIFUL story and BEAUTIFUL WWII American fighter.
@easttexan2933
@easttexan2933 3 жыл бұрын
which joystick do you use?
@TJ3
@TJ3 3 жыл бұрын
I have a thrustmaster T Flight X. Relatively cheaper model, but works great!
@easttexan2933
@easttexan2933 3 жыл бұрын
@@TJ3 thank you.
@9876543218229
@9876543218229 9 ай бұрын
Have you thought of doing a video about rober s johnson p47 ace. Check out german ace taunts a p47c
@twolak1972
@twolak1972 2 жыл бұрын
The P47 Thunderbolt was the premiere fighter of WW2 IMHO, the mustang was lauded as the war winner but people forget it did,nt show up on the scene till late 1943, by that time most of the best german pilots were killed by attrition from flying daily since the war started. The P47 could do it all and excelled in ground attack and bomber escort, many say the P51 was better but so many WW2 fighter pilots like George Gabraskie, rob johnson, Hub zemke of the famed 56th fighter group REFUSED to switch over to the pretty boy with the vulnerable liquid cooled engine. The 56th fighter pilots racked up the highest air to air kills of any fighter group of the entire war ,flying P47,still wars end. The best accolade ever heard by a 47 pilot says it all.IF YOU WANNA GET THE GIRL FLY A 51, IF YOU WANNA MAKE IT HOME TO YOUR GIRL FLY A 47. It was,nt called the UNBREAKABLE for nothing. Many times 47,s brought their pilots home so shot up with pistons hanging out of shot out cylinders and oil drenching the sides of the planes yet the engine would not die. No 51 would ever stay flying after sustaining a quarter of the damage a 47 would take and just shrug off. 1 bullet in a coolant line and the 51 made you a POW. The 47 would bring you home .
@bobmalack481
@bobmalack481 3 жыл бұрын
After 109 overshoots he should of put a few bursts in his tail..mistake, and could of had a potential kill, but depending on how much ammo left AND reserve fuel I had, I would be good to mix it up 1 more time. Robert at 66.
@luizcastellar
@luizcastellar 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah and stall at low altitude
@bobmalack481
@bobmalack481 2 жыл бұрын
How is the 'stall'..just because they were carbuerated and not fuel injection?..Robert at 67.
@Warentester
@Warentester 2 жыл бұрын
The first pilot must have been very inexperienced, playing so much towards the strengths of the p47 and against those of the bf-109.
@terryhadler4565
@terryhadler4565 2 жыл бұрын
Great CGI but they were pushing their luck not carrying invasion stripes! Terry Hadler
@ohyeahwhat5387
@ohyeahwhat5387 Жыл бұрын
No flaps on the landing.
@gamerstalin4210
@gamerstalin4210 3 жыл бұрын
Buen video me gusta mucho cuando hablas bien
@wiiliamnoel5250
@wiiliamnoel5250 3 жыл бұрын
i am looking to get into il2 WT is getting old ,i am looking at maybe getting the bodenplatte map ,is this a good choice ?
@hcghhghj9608
@hcghhghj9608 2 жыл бұрын
Hoolywood movie
@hadleymanmusic
@hadleymanmusic 2 жыл бұрын
GlenMcIntyre flew one
@Vmaxfodder
@Vmaxfodder 2 жыл бұрын
Can anyone do Kidd Hofer Last of the screwball aces?
@Midas8610
@Midas8610 3 жыл бұрын
Brother, how did you get Tobii Eye tracker to work with IL2? I can't get mine to work with it.
@TJ3
@TJ3 3 жыл бұрын
Still working on that, haha. That is why I used DCS for the example at the start of the video. It works flawlessly in DCS but I believe there was some issue with the new VJOY system and Tobii. You can read on it here, it is supposed to work with the older version of Tobii software but I am still trying to figure that out. gaming.tobii.com/games/il-2-sturmovik-battle-stalingrad/
@Midas8610
@Midas8610 3 жыл бұрын
@@TJ3 thanks for the response, its a great system though hopfully it will be resolved soon. Great bideos by the way!
@TJ3
@TJ3 3 жыл бұрын
@@Midas8610 I agree, I really want to use it in IL2. And thanks!
@tomasinacovell4293
@tomasinacovell4293 3 жыл бұрын
He didn't hit the locomotive as you said.
@keithmorrison6176
@keithmorrison6176 2 жыл бұрын
did not know mustangs were fighter bomers i taught they were only fighters, learn something new today lol.
@johnwinter7597
@johnwinter7597 3 жыл бұрын
All the comments are people telling us what we already know to about the video
@melburns4378
@melburns4378 2 жыл бұрын
Swiss 109s V's German 109s....and everything with wings and a bad navigator 🤪
@jeremycaufield8605
@jeremycaufield8605 2 жыл бұрын
Always kill the locomotive first.
@64maxpower
@64maxpower 3 жыл бұрын
This never happened did it?
@keithmorrison6176
@keithmorrison6176 2 жыл бұрын
the last set of mustangs produced almost at the end of the war was the most powerful has more power, speed and arament than the spitfire which was the pride of britain.
@avidaviation67
@avidaviation67 3 жыл бұрын
Why does your mission always ground attack for the allies do a fighter sweep mission over Germany and then get intercepted I would like to see that.
@windward563
@windward563 3 жыл бұрын
because ground pounding is underrated
@avidaviation67
@avidaviation67 3 жыл бұрын
@@windward563 No it's not ground pounding is how the allies won air supremacy and how the defeated Nazi Germany and Japan without having mass casualties as the Soviets.
@TJ3
@TJ3 3 жыл бұрын
You mean like just an allied fighter patrol?
@avidaviation67
@avidaviation67 3 жыл бұрын
@@TJ3 Yeah
@avidaviation67
@avidaviation67 3 жыл бұрын
@@TJ3 Also sorry if that came out rude I love your content still.
@paul119
@paul119 3 жыл бұрын
Name of the song? Please *.*
@TJ3
@TJ3 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, it is song number nine on this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWXFiaBnjM2jgqM
@paul119
@paul119 3 жыл бұрын
@@TJ3 thanks bro :)))
@GracieteB-g7k
@GracieteB-g7k Жыл бұрын
The Messerschmitt 109 its Better than a p47
@stlrockn
@stlrockn 3 жыл бұрын
Would have been better without the commentary and the attack on the train should have been made front to back or back to front, not from the side....just sayin.'
@adamjaquay4279
@adamjaquay4279 3 жыл бұрын
No
@stlrockn
@stlrockn 3 жыл бұрын
@@adamjaquay4279 agree to disagree
@davidspencer8373
@davidspencer8373 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@melmo5218
@melmo5218 3 жыл бұрын
In these things American planes never get shot down. Go to the USAF museum in Duxford and see how many were. This is the true tribute to bravery and sacrifice not this school kid stuff.
@steveperreira5850
@steveperreira5850 3 жыл бұрын
We, the Americans, we won the war and we get to do the documentaries that show us killing Nazi bastards, and I love it!
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 жыл бұрын
Bad news Mo, P47's shot down far more German fighter's than were shot down by them. So take your pissy little girl attitude and go down to the pub and run your mouth with the rest of the blowhards.
@bye7555
@bye7555 3 жыл бұрын
That's is stupid to shoot the train....... blow up the track ahead of the train and that also avoids ground fire at the plane.... just dumb
@jjones7155
@jjones7155 3 жыл бұрын
No, trains, railroad cars, tracks, rail yards, and support equipment were high priority targets for USAAF & RAF fighter-bombers in the prelude to D-Day. These targets along with bridges, tunnels, rail yard complexes, autobahns, roads and vehicular traffic, etc., were assigned as targets for fighter-bomber operations as well as flying in direct support of US and British ground armies engaged in ground combat operations with Wehrmacht, particularly after D-Day until the end of the war. USAAF Thunderbolts and RAF Typhoons battered Wehrmacht units by bombing, rocketing, napalming and strafing them to obliteration.
@steveperreira5850
@steveperreira5850 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe you are right, if they can’t stop the train in time and Derails it. Probably a lot of fun though to blow up a train that’s moving, kind of an easy target
@samkangal8428
@samkangal8428 2 жыл бұрын
@@steveperreira5850 a lot of fun ?
@samkangal8428
@samkangal8428 2 жыл бұрын
I agree ,destroying the tracks would have been better .
@skyportalmusic7178
@skyportalmusic7178 3 жыл бұрын
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@5co756
@5co756 3 жыл бұрын
Really dude ? This 6 ton monster should dog fight a Bf109 ? 😅
@danraymond1253
@danraymond1253 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. A very underrated plane. Not quite as good at low to medium altitude but absolutely better at high altitude. And at low altitude it still had a few tricks up its sleeve. So long as you keep your energy up you can do quite well with one. I would argue that Il-2 has it perform slightly less well than it would in real life, but that's highly debatable. Down low, it enjoyed these advantages; a better roll rate and better rate of turn (not turn radius) than the Bf-109. Also dove better and had great fire power and ability to absorb punishment. So, not the greatest low altitude fighter, no, but it was good enough to get the job done.
@5co756
@5co756 3 жыл бұрын
@@danraymond1253 Dude the latest Bf109 K4 had about 3.2 tons and 2000HP WEP . This turns circles around this monstrosity of a plane , you can suprise the Bf but not dog fight it . It's a ground attacker not a fighter , if you got altitude or energy you do boom and zoom up and down . You dont turn in and lose all your speed , so you can only suprise the 109 . Fighters are light you know , this is why the Zero was so deadly . No armor for the pilot and less weight , theres no plane that can do all . Carry almost 2 tons of rockest and bombs and dog fight like a biplane . 😉
@danraymond1253
@danraymond1253 3 жыл бұрын
@@5co756 dog fight in the traditional sense? No, the P-47 should not be involved in a dog fight at low altitude. However it could still fight and could win a number of those fights. At high altitude the P-47 had every advantage over the Bf-109 except maybe acceleration. This includes top speed, turn rate, turn radius, diving capability, climb depended on the variants of each plane but generally the P-47 was on top, and roll rate. At low altitude, (with NO bombs or rockets, if we're comparing both as fighters then we must be fair), the P-47 had the advantages I listed earlier. Though these advantages were not enough to necessarily put it on par with the Bf-109 at low altitude, it certainly wasn't far off and quite a few Thunderbolt pilots racked up low-level aerial kills. If both pilots are of equal skill, the Bf-109 would probably win at low altitude, it would be a toss up at medium altitude, and the P-47 would probably win at high altitude. The Thunderbolts also had a low level tactic of pulling up into a corkscrew where their heavier wait would drag them further behind an enemy plane so they could get sights on for a time. I'm sure that couldn't be used in every situation but apparently it was pretty successful. Also, the P-47M had 2,800 hp and was slightly lightened. It could go 473 mph and also had dive breaks. The Thunderbolt was designed as a fighter, not a ground attack aircraft. It wasn't used as such until it was noted for being able to take a lot of punishment and carry a lot of ordinance. Typically fighters are supposed to be light and maneuverable, that's what made the Thunderbolt a "...dinosaur, but a dinosaur with good proportions." 👍
@danraymond1253
@danraymond1253 3 жыл бұрын
@@5co756 also the Zero wasn't so deadly when the Americans started to deploy boom and zoom tactics on it. These tactics are what allowed the F4F Wildcat to maintain a positive kill ratio over what is generally considered the better plane.
@agwhitaker
@agwhitaker 3 жыл бұрын
It made a great fighter, provided the pilot used it's strengths - firepower, speed and a very fast dive. Gabby Gabreski flew P-47's and scored well. He had a chance to fly a late model Mk-9 Spitfire and was impressed by how hard it could turn. "But it couldn't dive worth a nickle - you had to fly it down to a lower altitude." No WWII fighter plane was perfect - it was up to the pilot to exploit strengths and avoid weaknesses.
@karlwagner932
@karlwagner932 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunatelly for this great video the facts speak volumes for the opposite!! 1. The German planes were always outnumbered! 2. The clever American Pilot is a myth. The facts is that the most successfull American pilots had 20 - 25 Kills. This happened at the end of the war because the veteran German pilots were already dead !!! The Americans had their best numbers against scholl boys so to say...! The most successful German Pilot .. had over 250 Victories.... 3. Greetings from Hartmann and Novotny. 4. In the History of WAR and the History of the Aviation there were never been issued a more disgracefull and discusting order than these from the American and British Airforce Commands during the Bombing rades over Germany..... The truth story have been told from wittnesses - Pilots from the Allied Forces and are easy to be recovered from the military Archives and from Historians like Lidel Hart and David Irwin. Well the Order in a few words ...ordered that '' IF EVER AGAIN A PILOT ON A BOMBING MISSION ABANDONE THE AIRCRAFT WITHOUT TO GET HIT OR GET DAMAGED HE WILL BE EXECUTED AFTER SHORT TRIAL '' This happened because the crews from the super fortresses flying and bombing civilians in Germany use to abandone the Aircraft after seeing a ME 262 churging egainst them ....! OF COURSE HOLLYWOOD MADE out of it a great moovie showing also Black people as pilots .....Black people never fought in WWII in the front line .....and especiallz as Pilots!!!! THE ALLIES and the American came to liberate Europe .....but in the USA the black people had no wright to vote untill 1965....!!! ???? WHY YOU HAVENT LIBERATE THEM IN FIRST PLACE .....???? or you believe that Abraham Lincoln started the civil war to liberate the Black slaves ....???? TOO MANY LIES AND TOOO MANY MYTHS .....!! You see dear the real Story of FURY was exactly the Opposite too ... There was a Tiger tank surviving and prevail the engagement egainst 12 Shermans .... TO MAKE FILMS IS A GREAT THING...TO TELL HISTORY IS ANOTHER LEVEL ....and you are far away from ..it .... You see dear friend .....this is the true story ....you will never hear from your teacher at school.... Have a nice day and a good health !
@steveb6103
@steveb6103 3 жыл бұрын
Wow your brainwashed or just plain stupid about history! Ever heard of the Red Tails ! And the US pilots were rotated out of combat where the Germans flew till they were killed!
@karlwagner932
@karlwagner932 3 жыл бұрын
@@steveb6103 greetings from Erich Hartmann! Have a nice day dear!
@davegeisler7802
@davegeisler7802 3 жыл бұрын
It's too bad we killed most of your top Aces before the introduction of the ME262 , Nowotny , Kittel , Hans Phillips , Ehrler etc. who was left Galland and Bubi , Gunther Rall and Heinz Bar , no there were still quite a few left ???
@karlwagner932
@karlwagner932 3 жыл бұрын
@@davegeisler7802you are very right my dear! We had some more! Do not forget about the NIGHT GOST the German pilot who brought the Bomber crews to pray..... !! The numbers my dear talk for the Germans not only because of the experience and bravery but becaue of the fact that the Germans could always find an allie aircraft since the statistics talk about 1:67! On the other hand allied pilots after 10-20Victories had to take command positions and never flew again! Have a good day dear!
@davegeisler7802
@davegeisler7802 3 жыл бұрын
@@karlwagner932 Karl back in 1943 the Luftwaffe was at the top of their game. Its too bad the Fuehrer wasted so much time trying to make the ME262 a " Schnell Bomber " If the Luftwaffe had it in ' 43 it could have made a huge difference and prolonged the War ?? And btw Bubi Hartmann was the best of the best .The greatest fighter pilot ever without a doubt. Salute and Respect 👍 You also enjoy your day 😊
@thatfeeble-mindedboy
@thatfeeble-mindedboy 3 жыл бұрын
… Most of us would jump out of our skin at the sound of one round from a 50 BMG… Most of us would be astonished at the degree of destruction wrought by the impact of a single 50 BMG round. Who among us has been exposed to anything that would even remotely prepare us for witnessing the firing of the 8 .50 caliber machine guns on a P 47, say in a ground test firing? Who among us has been exposed to anything that could remotely prepare us to witness what happens at the ~1100 yd. convergence point of eight half-inch caliber machine guns firing simultaneously at roughly 6000 rounds per minute (ironically in the same class as the multi-barreled Avenger auto-cannon).
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 жыл бұрын
Me, I was a Vulcan gunner in the Army, but there's not many of us.
@tolik5929
@tolik5929 3 жыл бұрын
Dark humor from the Wehrmacht in 44 and 45 , " If you look in the sky , and see a plane , and its black , its British . If you look into the sky , see a plane , and its silver , its American . If you look into the sky and see nothing , its the Luftwaffe "
@georgemartin4963
@georgemartin4963 3 жыл бұрын
The P-47 was faster and could take a hell of a lot more punishment than the 109. The P-47 was the fighter most likely to bring it's pilot home.
@bobuboi4643
@bobuboi4643 3 жыл бұрын
That's why I love the p-40 and p-47, you could probably ram an enemy plane with both and still come put with a broken prop or clipped wing.
@georgemartin4963
@georgemartin4963 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobuboi4643 Huh?
@steveperreira5850
@steveperreira5850 3 жыл бұрын
Totally right, what is not considered often enough is that you are going to be attacked by surprised in a World War II scenario, so that there is a high likelihood you’re going to be killed as a fighter pilot, and because the thunderbolt was so tough, it was more likely to survive surprise attacks, so it’s pilots were more likely to survive and to gain experience while living to fight another day. Most of the top aces of the European theater that were Americans flew thunderbolts, and they all survived, even though some of them were shot down by ground fire. The thunderbolt also had great advantages over adversaries such as some maneuvers, such as a roll, Great maneuverability at high altitude, unsurpassed diving speed, and a top speed at altitude unsurpassed by any other piston engine aircraft. These are plenty enough to win the war. Not enough consideration is given to surviving an encounter where quite often you are the one that is surprised. I’m talking about the World War II scenario, things are different now in the age of missiles.
@vincepurpura8905
@vincepurpura8905 3 жыл бұрын
@@steveperreira5850 You've probably already read it, but if not I highly recommend "Thunderbolt", by Robert Johnson. He was a P-47 ace (27 kills) in World war two.
@garyseeseverything8615
@garyseeseverything8615 3 жыл бұрын
Bf109 can simply put turn and outclimb a p47.
@skywatcher5616
@skywatcher5616 3 жыл бұрын
My father was in B-24's and loved seeing the Little Friends show up. Many times it the the Jug. For any of you that had a father, grandfather or uncle that flew cover for the heavies, my thanks to them for their protection of the bomber streams.
@rotorheadv8
@rotorheadv8 3 жыл бұрын
The Germans knew those 8 .50 cal machine guns would ruin your day in about 1/2 a second and the plane itself was a bitch to take down.
@electron1236
@electron1236 3 жыл бұрын
Laugh in 30mm cannon
@stephenjacks8196
@stephenjacks8196 3 жыл бұрын
Bogus. P47 carried 3800 rounds of 50 caliber ammo. That goes through locomotive boilers. P47 specs exceed the BF109 except turn radius.
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 жыл бұрын
Only at lower altitudes, at 15,000 ft and up not only could one turn inside of a FW190 but it could actually gain altitude in it's tighter turn while the FW190 would lose altitude in it's wider turn, and the BF109 fared even worse against it when it comes to turning. And as far as low altitude and what "the book" says try reading Robert Johnson's book, 3 times in it describing low altitude fights he witnessed with FW190's against squadron mates of his he says, "I know what the book says about turning with FW190's at low altitudes but apparently _________ (fill in the blank with a squadron mates name) didn't read the book and I watched him turn inside of his opponent and line up a shot and flame him". He also says the same thing about a low altitude engagement he had with one where he said "I know what the book says about trying to turn with one at low altitudes but apparently I didn't read the book and got inside his turn and fired seeing hits in his right wing root and through his cockpit, he went in too low to bail out". So apparently the book wasn't that accurate.
@ret7army
@ret7army 3 жыл бұрын
I'll not slam you for the wimpy engine sounds on the other hand at 6:25 you disparage the P47s abilities. Suggest you find a copy of Robert Johnson's book "Thunderbolt!" and give it a read. He was America's second highest scoring ace in Europe during WWII. Of his 28 kills over 20 were against Bf 109s and FW 190s. The P47 was in the thick of bomber escort missions and actually had more kills attributed to it than the P51. (edit to add) the end of the mission has the P47 landing on a dirt/grass strip this is unlikely as the P47 was the heaviest single engine fighter of WWII weighing in at 5 tons empty (P47C introduced in 1943) and nearly 10 tons loaded with guns, ammo, bombs, rockets and fuel (P47D most common version late 43 through 45).
@danraymond1253
@danraymond1253 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly, it is incorrect that the P-47 is attributed more air kills than the P-51. Many sources say 3,752 air kills for the Thunderbolt, though this numbers varies quite a bit. I've heard up to 4,425. I believe the "real" number is right around 4,000. This does not include Pacific war kills, which I believe is around 500-600 for the Thunderbolt. The P-51, on the other hand, is commonly attributed 4,950 air kills in the European theater. However, this has a lot to do with the time both planes where used and the doctrine when they were used. (On average, the Thunderbolt shot down a much harder enemy as most of the Luftwaffe in '43 and early '44 was well trained and experienced. The P-51 also had a helping hand in that when it arrived on scene as the premier escort aircraft, U.S. doctrine was changed so fighters could leave the bombers and focus more on shooting down enemy planes rather than sticking by the bombers. Immense numbers later in the war also helped the 51's numbers.) Also, the P-47 commonly landed on dirt and grass throughout the war. I have no clue the point you are trying to make by saying it's heavy as if it can't do this. It landed on grass strips all the time.
@dominicwroblewski5832
@dominicwroblewski5832 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to mention that the P47 was not designed as a ground attack aircraft but as an escort fighter. The P47 was assigned ground attack missions only after the P51 superseded it in the bomber escort roll. Both P47 and P51 were used in ground attack missions as the need was encountered.
@dieselyeti
@dieselyeti 3 жыл бұрын
I'd think the radiator on the Mustang's belly would be vulnerable to ground fire and make it not the best choice for the ground attack mission.
@A.i.r_K
@A.i.r_K 3 жыл бұрын
@@dieselyeti I believe the amount of bombs/rocket also helped the decision in using the p47 for ground attack
@vincepurpura8905
@vincepurpura8905 3 жыл бұрын
Do one about Robert Johnson.
@steveperreira5850
@steveperreira5850 3 жыл бұрын
I have yet to find a more intelligent fighter pilot from World War II then Robert S Johnson, and there were a lot of smart ones. That he killed some top German aces, it gives me great joy! I hate those Nazi bastards.
@bestservedrandom2892
@bestservedrandom2892 3 жыл бұрын
Now this is quality editing man! Wishing to play with you once again in war thunder man!
@TJ3
@TJ3 3 жыл бұрын
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@OneHitWonder383
@OneHitWonder383 3 жыл бұрын
If you're flying a P-47 and a 109 in front of you goes into a turn, *_roll_* the Jug _twice_ in the *_opposite_* direction, pull out, and the 109's belly should be just in front of your guns. Doesn't work all the time but it will work.
@roop298
@roop298 3 жыл бұрын
Is CoD a totally different game to FB?
@foilist1
@foilist1 3 жыл бұрын
The 47 is maneuverable at high altitude and if the nazi plane is caught in the fire of those 8 .50 caliber guns it’s toast.
@M29WeaselDriver
@M29WeaselDriver 3 жыл бұрын
The highest scoring American aces in the two flew P-47s. It was designed for a high altitude bomber interceptor
@groller7295
@groller7295 3 жыл бұрын
The Corsair was good too
@steveperreira5850
@steveperreira5850 3 жыл бұрын
Because corsair was a great plane, I think when you look at the whole situation in total, you are better off in air cooled engine airplanes because they are more survivable, and they are plenty enough maneuverable as fighter Aircraft. Speed kills, and this radio engine fighters had the speed to kill, if you have better speed capability, you have a huge advantage in the World War II scenario.
@thomasabramson100
@thomasabramson100 3 жыл бұрын
My dad flew the jug scored 2 kills on BF109s 1944 said she was a flying tank
@danraymond1253
@danraymond1253 2 жыл бұрын
Do you happen to have any footage or combat reports? That would be awesome to see if you wouldn't mind sharing! I thank you for his service.
@thomasabramson100
@thomasabramson100 2 жыл бұрын
@@danraymond1253 Nothing from when he was flying the Jug sorry all of that material is in storage right now
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 жыл бұрын
@@danraymond1253 My family lost someone who was a B24 navigator in the war, it's amazing the reports and other things I found online, 3 after action reports from crewmen on adjoining bombers and a missing aircraft report that I can even tell you the serial number's of the engine's on the plane the day it was shot down among other things. The level of detail is just amazing.
@klupeeteable
@klupeeteable 10 ай бұрын
i fly the p47 a lot in il2 ,,,same sim as here.. But when i met 109s i almost alwais end up dead or crashland.. So its not so simple against those guys now in simulaters.. there much better then the guys back then ! much more hours and never really die,, lol.
@bobmalack481
@bobmalack481 2 жыл бұрын
EarlyThunderbolts to me are a rather ugly/stubby looking plane until the 'bubble canopy' D trim variants came out with that 1950's jet canopy look.These models almost look svelte and sporty in comparison, and having that reduced deck back to the tail section.
@bobwright1773
@bobwright1773 2 жыл бұрын
I have been unde the impression that the 4.5" tube launched rockets were obsolete and the 5" HVAR was in use by D-Day.
@joelmccoy9969
@joelmccoy9969 3 жыл бұрын
Video Muzak !! Turn sound off and read under titles. Mindless Gaming video no succinct History narrative.
@nolanbowen8800
@nolanbowen8800 2 жыл бұрын
Those Germans were lucky it wasn't Robert Johnson or they would not have made it home.
@andrewwerk224
@andrewwerk224 3 жыл бұрын
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@franzvillagonzalo8249 3 жыл бұрын
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@harryjohnson3586 3 жыл бұрын
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@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 2 жыл бұрын
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@TJ3 9 ай бұрын
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@jrw2electricboogaloo411
@jrw2electricboogaloo411 2 жыл бұрын
The P-47 Highline motor fuel mixture that would basically supercharged engine basically allowing you to get up to high altitude
@jrw2electricboogaloo411
@jrw2electricboogaloo411 2 жыл бұрын
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