TL;DW - How aliens gain seconds per lap? A small demonstration.

Too Long;Didn't Watch - Short edits from my long live stream. During Spa circuit walk, very fast simracer "Tortellini" makes a very intelligent remark and it's an opportunity to showcase how aliens can be so much faster.
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[@CicaeMeow]

Can he drive anything than Porsche? 😅😁

[@nesseria3467]

I just watch his lap on Paul Ricard... Omg ! I'm so far of his driving line ! A perfect exemple of what you're talking about in this video.

@@CicaeMeow He loves it

@@nesseria3467 Any video of him is a perfect example lol

[@RDMracer]

Is he an alien or does he use his Stand to drive?

[@crowdsgarage]

No matter how many times this speech has been repeated, people will continue to ask for the magic setup 😂. Thank you Aris, once again!

[@code255]

@@alpha007org I really like how ACC's rating system encourages people to focus on consistency and car control. Those 2 skills are really helpful in real races. I'm a newbie, but the following strategy works quite well for me: avoid accidents at the start, and then just drive safely and consistently until the end of the race. I mostly qualify only somewhere at the back, but tend to finish in the middle. :)

[@code255]

@@alpha007org True. GTS matches players with very similar lap times, so the races are always very close and a pure adrenaline rush from start to finish. In ACC, players with vastly different lap times are matched, which can lead to races where battles hardly take place. Who knows, I think the player-base is growing in ACC, and Kunos is doing an amazing job at improving it more and more, so maybe match-making will end up as good as in GTS in the future.

[@jonasseger]

That's what I love about the Advanced Mx-5 races in iRacing. I'm usually on the faster side. Enter alien, blows everyone away by a second in quali. Someone asks for their setup and they go "baseline".

[@Moonfaster]

@@alpha007org ACC comes to consol June 23.

[@Daz555Daz]

It is if course about driving first and foremost but all the fast guys I know have great setups too. Mainly because they practice more than I have time for. It's just the way it is. That's sim racing.

[@iansimcox]

It's amazing how it adds up. Difference between a 2:16 and a 2:18 at Spa is 2.7kph. So an alien will take La Source at say 64kph, I'll take it at 62. They'll take Eau Rouge at 240, I'll do 237. Barely noticeable, but over the course of 7km, they end up 20 car lengths ahead

[@AdrenaLukeYT]

And then there's me where I only can get down to 2:21s at Spa lol 😆 but I'm on PS5 and I noticed the aliens on PS5 are way slower lap times than aliens on PC, so something isn't adding up there

[@AdrenaLukeYT]

@@manuelrichling3418 PS4 and PS5 players can not be in the same lobby. ACC is not cross-gen multiplayer.

[@AdrenaLukeYT]

@@manuelrichling3418 no dude this is not "we're both right" it is a fact that ACC is not cross gen. When you play online everyone you are playing with is on the same exact version of the game. Whether that's the PS4 version, PS5 version, Xbox one version, Xbox series x/s version, or PC version. NONE of these can play online with a different version!!! And key word "different" versions! Each of these versions has different types of physics for the game especially your PS4 version being outdated with the physics model. You are not playing with PS5 versions of the game online. This is not a "we're both right" and if you are going to deny the truth I'm wasting my time here. This information is free on Google.

[@AdrenaLukeYT]

@@manuelrichling3418 ok and with that, this conversation is over. You're wasting my time.

[@ModestIntentions]

You should also watch videos on cheaters who cannot be detected. One of them confessed though the video is in russian

[@future62]

I've seen alien telemetry in iRacing. Here is the secret: Brake less, later and softer Carry more corner speed Get on the gas earlier Easy!

[@daviddanser8011]

You made me an alien now, tnx

[@LgLegion]

King of easier said than done..

[@TheHadrian54]

I get it now! The secret is to be faster!

[@future62]

Reminds me of an interview with Dani Pedrosa. DP: We have problems with the bike through some parts of the corner Journalist: Which parts? DP: The entry, the middle and the exit :trollface:

[@Kacper_Kolodziejczyk]

One tip I heard and live by in most cases, if you're not on throttle let alone still braking at the apex, you're doing it wrong. Acc somehow got me to reach new heights of my skill and it's as said here, setup means jack if you're not optimising your driving

[@nesseria3467]

As I comment in another Aris video, I came here to learn setup and instead I took a driving lesson and that is 99% of the job. Thanks to Aris, I won 2 to 5 sec/lap (I'm coming from far 😁) depending of the track consistantly without overdriving or taking big risk and it's just incredible for me!

[@mikaelbihl-matias9462]

Key point of being an "alien" : master the trail braking perfectly in every way (input + timing)

[@reynaldiwidjaja277]

Me with an eraser modded G25 pedals :")

[@dylanshields4248]

My brake pedal doesn’t work properly lol. It does the job I guess

[@chilael6892]

@@reynaldiwidjaja277 I've seen people break world records using g27 pedals. Yes, it's harder, but it's not excuse.

[@reynaldiwidjaja277]

@@chilael6892 sure, mine didnt work properly all of em had miniscule ghost input.

[@chilael6892]

@@reynaldiwidjaja277 kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYGrf3yMibaZb7M look at the end of the video, bottom right as the fade starts.

[@atharvazodpe673]

"wooooooow technology" got me

[@ishakmg01]

I was looking for an info about ffb in reddit and some guys was like "Aris said that, Aris mentioned that" bla bla. Then I wonder who is Aris, thanks to google I found this channel and wow, such a huge content. I spent ~200hrs in ACC but I still have a lot to learn about driving fast. Thanks man🙏🏻

[@viktorisaksson7573]

First example seems confusing. The distance remains the same. Lets say you need 100m to slow down the car, no matter in what direction you are driving 100m is 100m. If this truly is the line aliens take, then it probably has something to do with car balance, or that line is shorter/faster looking at what happened before the corner

[@adamleblanc5294]

You're getting it backwards. Yes, you still need 100m to slow down, but the 100m you need start later on the straight, so you can stay on the throttle for an extra 10m or something, which is an extra tenth or so. You are gaining the time by staying on the gas longer, not by making the breaking distance shorter.

[@viktorisaksson7573]

@@adamleblanc5294 You could zig zag across the track to stay on the throttle even longer. I think the only reason why you can stay on the throttle for 10 extra meters is because you're driving 10 extra meters.

[@AndrewOnTestingCars]

He Got me to subscribe in the last 15 seconds when he said “I’m losing 2 seconds it must be the setup, ... ahh bollicks!” 😂😂👏 Good video

[@jafetabal4222]

"Where can I gain a little extra", I thought of this years ago and it got me to Top Global... In Asphalt 8 lol

[@gattopazzo80]

Point out of contest looses its value: that middle track braking can be good at Spa's Bus Stop chicane because you are coming from the right side of the track and going to the left, so by doing that you are actually driving a straighter line and thus less distance compared to somebody who moved left too early. The general approach anyway is a very good suggestion: once you are at a decent level there will hardly be any single spot where you gain or loose 1 seconds, you have to take care of all the details in all the corners.

[@fearlesstravtruth7031]

U just answered my questions in sooo many levels....thanks man I thought I was just a noob who couldn’t get faster ...great content as always 💯

[@Tortellinii]

#belikeTortellinii 🤣🤣🤣

[@Sergeeeek]

You just gotta press the gas pedal harder and down shift. That's what fast & furious taught me.

[@danielmachadogapahead4164]

Guys, dont try to guess what aliens do or not, see it with your own eyes, look into a telemetry file! You don't know your true problem till it appears clearly in the chart. You don't know if you're losing 0.1s every corner entry, middle or exit, nor if you're losing everything in one corner only and you probably don't know which corner is that. General advices: 1-brake later 2-release brake pedals faster (but do not avoid trail braking) 3-be more aggressive into wheel inputs between the entry and the apex 4-get to the throttle earlier 5-try to release the wheel angle faster while starting to push the throttle. 6-be happy

[@markoveric4969]

Doesn't releasing the break too quickly make car a bit unstable because of the quick weight transfer thus slowing you down a bit? I'm genuinely asking the question and not trying to be rude. :)

[@danielmachadogapahead4164]

@@markoveric4969 No. You brake as far as you can and release the brake pedal as soon and fast as possible, even though it is quite good when you can do this with a bit of smoothness, because of what you said.

[@markoveric4969]

@@danielmachadogapahead4164 Thank you, will definitely try to polish the technique as much as possible.

[@loganm2766]

Thanks Daniel I’m working on increasing my pace

[@StingRayRobertson]

Absolutely agree with Danielle Brambilla. You will break a little later but the corner will be tighter. So good thinking and maybe it will work with some cars but generally I don't think this will make sence. Get to know your car and the track instead will help more I think and late breaking isn't always the quickest way.

[@ufinii]

What planet do these aliens come from, and how did they learn to drive our cars?

[@conradmyers132]

ufinii I guess us commoners will never know 🤷‍♂️

[@ArisDrives]

Aliens appeared in big numbers from GPL planet, around 20 years ago... and have been amongst us ever since :D

[@Biostalker420]

@@ArisDrives I figured the first Alien arrived in a used Tesla Roadster

[@ali09gaming58]

All aliens first came from xbox 360 or ps3 controller world

[@atrain132]

@@Biostalker420 😂😂🤣🤣

[@dylanross10]

Really been enjoiyng your Too Long;Didn't WAtch videos recently. Really comprehensive explanations of concepts and techniques that most people just have to intit thorugh sheer hours of practice (not to say that's not still required). I would be interested to hear your thoughts on judging speed on corner entry/mid corner/exit

[@DKSimulationGaming]

Thanks for all the tips, your game has made me better,ACC is the only sim I race now,it's the king of all Racing simulaters..🏁🏎️

[@NDakovic]

No, you have to use cambers of the road to maximize the grip. Loaded wheels have more grip. Therefor if car is initially light, load it up slower. If its immediately heavy to respond slam it. Most people are stuck in between loosing that tenth

[@WarLock0722]

Ohai Niki. Why are you watching these videos? You are beating the living hell out of everyone already. Don't get faster.

[@loganm2766]

Slam what the steering?

[@NDakovic]

@@loganm2766 no, not the steering, the throttle, slam the throttle. If the car sits into the Corner quicky, by sits i mean loads the outside wheels quicky. You go quickly on gas, if the road is cambered in. You can really feel this with downforce cars

[@loganm2766]

@@NDakovic Ahh I see! I’m trying this and I can feel the car so much more now. Thank you!

[@NDakovic]

@@loganm2766 awesome

[@kalz323]

Great job making a point about how aliens make their time! I thought what you were saying is that if you can't be on the optimum(outside) line and have to brake in the middle, then you can break later. Thank you

[@sesvid]

Don't expect that everyone will become an "Alien" by just and only following this tips... There is much more needed to become an "Alien"...

[@pk7549]

In a right triangle the hypotenuse is the longest side. This makes sense.

[@SheetFiber]

You are right. 10 cm wide is a precious space in cornering. I'm still struggling with consistency. Previous lap I nailed a corner, the next lap I couldn't do it again. Thus fuked up my lap time. I can see it from the delta time.

[@birdybutch]

..... goddamn ALIENS!!!

[@PaulRKeeble]

In a Driver61 masterclass, another thing he was explaining was balance into corners via trail braking. It wasn't just trail for a bit more turn in it was about getting it just right to control understeer and oversteer to get into the corner. That clicked something in me about how to understand weight transfer and its gained me tenths all over the place by increasing available grip into corners.

[@86mystek]

but in real life trail braking is easier IMO. Not sure of course because I play ACC on old Thrustmaster with plastic pedals with no FFB on steering wheel. In real life You feel all car by your back and brake inputs are easier when cornering. I ACC I can't feel it.

[@ArisDrives]

Driver61 is a fantastic coach and his channel is top quality. The trailbraking advice is correct, but you need first to be concentrate to all the other things, like correct reference points, correct lines, correct throttle application and so on. Especially on complicated cars under trailbraking as there are the modern GT3 cars and similar high downforce and pitch sensitive cars. So my advice is for drivers that are not on top level. Stick to the basics, then improve with advanced techniques and maybe go to Driver61 channel for extra more professional knowledge.

[@jamiemb17]

You should really clarify here that this is corner-specific due to the preceding right-hand kink.

[@SixxWolfZx]

This really opened my eyes to a another part of racing. Really gotta step my game up another level again.

[@jahshjahsh2002]

Hi Aris, I hope you see this: Sure I might be wrong, but this explanation doesn't make sense to me, The braking distance is same as long. Where you should put your car in the corner entry depends on many factors like: 0- The next corner and how you want to exit it. 1- Where you're coming from (last corner). 2- How clean or rubbery the track is. 3- How forgiving you want to be with turning the wheel and consuming your tyres. 4- (IMPORTANT and contradicts Tortillini): The shortest, NOT the longest line. In the Busstop case, coming from the middle makes your way shorter (hence quicker) than going all the way to the left. 5- Again, NO, if I was on already on the outside I won't follow this rule and go to the middle just to make my line longer and enjoy "later" braking (LATER IN VISUAL QUES NOT IN TIME, NOT SHORTER BRAKING DISTANCE). His advice might slow you down in many other corners.

[@1AngryPanda]

jahsh jahsh When u drive longer fast you cover more distance, so u gain time on people when they have to brake earlier... Same works for VSC in F1 in real life. Drivers gain time when they drive the shortest line around the course even the have all the same time limit for a sector...

[@jahshjahsh2002]

@@1AngryPanda I have understanding issues I guess.

[@b4d69]

that is very interesting, had never thought about different braking distances based on the different points across the width of the asphalt!

[@lewpearson9800]

It also looks like the second line is opening up the corner more. The car rotates into a straight line sooner than the first line which is still trying the straighten out. The car in the second line is behind the first. The second line, rotating sooner, can go back to power sooner.

[@jason8924]

Yet another priceless video.! Knowledge well worth your time! Thankyou 👍

[@diroxyt7641]

exactly like this. i can see it in my simgroup. there is this (alien) guy he never changes setup and he is 0.5 to 1.5 sec faster than the rest of the field setting up their cars. setup depends on your personal driving style like it can make a car stable or unstable reacting to your inputs. so you want to push to your limit first and start finding these spots or cm on track to improve lap time. and later make tiny setup changes to reduce the effort to reach these lap time again and again and again. in the past i often was trying some top laptime setups from others and find the car be undrivable. also look at some of the aliens onboard videos they are so damn smooth with their inputs.

[@kosmokaziracing]

Great point: any mistake or compromise from the ideal usually has some advantage that is made available to a fast driver, in a real situation. You have to learn to leverage those when they occur, to improve your speed but also to help improve your race craft.

[@hughesja1975]

So it's definitely not the setup then Aris?? 😂🤣 Brutal but brilliant as ever, keep up the good work mate, loving the challenge of ACC 👍

[@MntRprznt]

Thank you for this explanation, Aris. I was wondering where is the magic hidden, I kinda knew, but now that you confirmed it I can look at this more methodically.

[@vladimmi]

Basic geometry says you are totally wrong - such visible difference happens only because of camera facing parallel to road. Lets count braking distance as 150 meters (according to track marker on the left). Track is about 10-12 meters wide there. So middle point would be 5-6 meters. Having those numbers you can easily calculate then length of increased braking distance: sqrt(150*150 + 5*5). Which equals to... drum rolls... 150.08 meters. So your significant advantage is only 0.08m which is very far from tenth of a second on any meaningful speeds.

[@vladimmi]

Going further. Lets assume the speed about 250 km/h (while many cars are, tbh, faster at this point of track). That's 250/3.6=69.4 m/s. And those 0.08 meters would win you 0.08/69.4=0.001 seconds. For comparison, if you play with stable 120 fps, 1 single frame takes time of 0.008s to render and show.

[@sirdetmist3204]

Also its not shorter at all, you can magically make the car have a lower breaking distance, it needs the same space to slowdown, it doesnt matter what angle you break at.

[@vladimmi]

@@sirdetmist3204 The idea was to brake on diagonal line (across the road) which would be longer than straight one (parallel to road) - so you'll "pack" a longer braking zone into a shorter "straight" sector. But difference is too small to be noticed and that doesnt even account other losses on taking such line.

[@micha1460]

Great video! I'm huge fan of Tortellini, but I have to say that despite his staggering performance in that (O)Porsche, there are some players who can defeat him. Once upon a time I seen TheNikesz beating him. Tortellini was able to reach 350 kph on straights but he lose on some technical corners like these on highway.

[@bartomiejszabat2867]

TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@mariuszpudzianowski9717]

I saw that with my own eyes TheNikesz is incredible

[@kamsinox]

Respect +

[@jimross5838]

I also saw TheLegend27 beat him

[@MjkL1337]

i fucking love this guy

[@casesully50]

First time seeing your videos, I love what in seeing. Keep these types of videos coming man. Subscribing now

[@hot_lapper]

Aris, you know a lot more about sim game physics, but here your explanation on the first part does not make sense. The difference in distance is minuscule between the two lines that it won't even be a tenth (hundreths, maybe, and I do agree that adding them up could be significant over many corners). And you would lose that time due to the sharper turn the second lines requires later, unless you are also inducing a yaw while braking towards the outside, which you can't do on the outside line because you will then drift a bit to the apex. If the second line explanation is true (that is, longer is better due to the later braking point), it would then be much better to start the approach from the inner side of the road, stretching the braking zone much longer. Nobody does that. I do agree with the corner curb riding.

[@ArisDrives]

Incredible that I have to explain to every single one of you the same thing. So I'll start to copy paste (I'm good at it they say LOL) You don't do a longer distance, the through the mid of the road and across the other side is the shorter distance because you're arriving from the very fast left hander that puts you directly in the right hand of the road. Context guys, the turns are connected look from where you arrive.

[@hot_lapper]

​@@ArisDrives I'll allow that. I did not expect you'd respond to mine, so appreciate your dedication and patience. [I like Kunos games so you can be sure I am a fan.] :) When I watched your video though, it came off as if you were advocating this kind of corner entry to delay the braking point (and earn a bit of time), when the (valid) point you wanted to make above is the incorrect entry line in this connected corner that: (1) makes the overall connected entry line longer, and (2) forces an earlier braking point anyway. Anyway, I think your point is clear now so I'll end here.

[@yz249]

@@ArisDrives You have tor explain to every person because your title is clickbait and you've done a poor job of explaining what you mean in the video.

[@ArisDrives]

Sure let's analyze the "clickbait" title. "TL;DW - How aliens gain seconds per lap? A small demonstration." This is a less than 6 minutes video. It is a very short cut of a very long live stream were I do a circuit walk of spa. Arriving at Bus stop a guy in the chat makes a good remark on THAT braking zone of Spa, so I decide to showcase to people this very specific example. And that is "a small demonstration" of gaining time. Going forward with the video at 4:00 I also start to explain that the aliens do not "gain seconds" in one turn, but in the whole "lap". I explain clearly that they gain time in every turn in, every apex, every exit of every single turn in a lap and that makes them "gain seconds per lap". This is a 6 minutes video, and still it seems impossible to watch it to the end and listen to what someone explains. So I took some extra time to create screenshots and graphs for a better explanation, you can read it here at reddit: www.reddit.com/r/ACCompetizione/comments/gf8fzl/tldw_how_aliens_gain_seconds_per_lap_a_small/fputwag/? If you can't watch a 6 minute video, or read the reddit explanation and believe it is a clickbait title, then I honestly don't know what else to do. Have a great day commenting all the infuriating actual clickbait titles that the web full off.

[@yz249]

@@ArisDrives It's just worded poorly. The title makes it seem like this is something done on many corners on many tracks, when in reality it's only on one specific corner on this track, that won't by itself gain you anywhere near 2 seconds or more. Look mate, there are loads of people in the comment section saying how this won't work for braking zones In general because they thought you meant this was something you do in general. There are loads of people saying your title was misleading and they misunderstood because they thought this was in general. When you have multiple people telling you otherwise, you should probably take a step back and think 'maybe their right, I should have been clearer in the video and more specific in the title' instead of thinking we're idiots. If it was just me? Sure, but look at the comment section. I do like the rest of your channel though :)

[@code255]

Aris, your YT channel is awesome and I love ACC!

[@AtMyOwnPace10]

I’ll take the line in the grass. Tougher ride equals more fun! Just playing lmao. Good stuff Aris!

[@henkw1562]

That explained a lot. I always thought i am driving the same lines as the fast guys but they are always faster. I can only see these on telemetry which i don't have. So practice a lot on breaklines and cornering. Very insidefull Aris thank you.

[@007ggman]

This is so true. At interlagos I am 1 second off the irscing world champion in testing. He gains approximately 1 tenth in every corner which shows how the difference is cumulative . Its also consistency and like you say.. every single lap

[@stephen2282]

@aris.drives dude, I totally get the overarching idea of looking for tenths everywhere but I'm not sure if the green line is the longest overall line into the corner... not only that I think based on the line coming out of the previous corner I think its the shorter, more direct and straighter line coming into the chicane... I think that might be one of the area that creates a lot of confusion... In working back from the corner I think the benefit with this approach lies just as much in having a flatter platform into the corner and thus the direction change can be better if the car is, "properly introduced to the corner".

[@ANDRITSOULAS]

Άρη γειά χαρά. Please when the ACC comes in consoles, keep supporting it. Let as (console guys) taste a proper simulator on our console. Not all people have budgets for good pc's. Thanks for your time. Είσαι ο καλύτερος. Keep up

[@simalientestdriversubject2464]

I'm watching, loved. Great video!!!

[@azidahaka2]

Verissimo ARIS! E' per questo che sarebbe fondamentale avere una telemetria della posizione GPS dell'auto in modo da riuscire a capire se si sterza nella curva troppo presto o troppo tardi rispetto agli alieni, o se si hanno traiettorie leggermente diverse

[@Sabba7h]

This is absolutely fucking revolutionary for me.

[@raisaga9273]

Lewis Hamilton has talked about his father teaching him this trick as a kid.

[@gt4lex]

As I say, the difference between the top 1% and the top 0.1% is macroscopic vs microscopic precision in space and time.

[@bilazaurus2759]

TL;DW² : You suck, they don't.

[@f0rdfalc0n46]

What if aliens weren’t using this technique but now do? They are going to be extra extraterrestrials....

[@zekkai1005]

great video Aris, those aliens are another level!!! Please GT1 for next year!!!

[@KR-bd9ey]

I don't understand the idea of braking from the middle of track. So what that you brake later, if you have longer way to get optimal speed. The braking distance is the same don't matter where you start brake.

[@bigalexg]

Brake later on a longer line, OK, but why doesn't the longer distance you must travel cancel the advantage of the later braking? I realize there must be an explanation but I just don't see it.

[@drazenbudis7881]

bigalexg Because you are traveling with higher speed for longer and will spend the same amount of time braking as the guy with the shorter line. The small difference in meteres covered is nothing compared to traveling with 50km/h sufficit for the brief part of the second.

[@maicolx7776]

@@drazenbudis7881 no sir

[@bigalexg]

@@drazenbudis7881 this does not ring true

[@drazenbudis7881]

bigalexg could be false, its just how it rang to me

[@bigalexg]

@@drazenbudis7881 I'm kind of a novice here and there might well be some counter-intuitive something I am missing but I considered your explanation too, before asking the question, and I rejected it after more thought. There must be something I am missing here because Tortellini is apparently getting results but I suspect that something is that there is more to the story the OP himself missed or left out. Probably something tom do with the position of the car on the track right before this.

[@NagaRacing]

IT was really interesting! Thanks for sharing this

[@LarryLinton]

Does not matter how you break it down a non Alien will never do Alien lap times...but it's great trying!!! Never give up👍🏻👍🏻😁

[@yz249]

The thing that operates the bon aliens from aliens is honestly just time and practice. Can everyone be an alien? O of course not. But most can get way closer than they think.

[@sotirispapaleonidas6811]

Άρη έχεις απόλυτο δίκιο. Δύσκολο πράγμα να βρείς έστω και μισό δευτερόλεπτο.

[@venominjected]

So „aliens“ is used for very fast sim-racers? Didn‘t knew that, funny one 😆

[@eSKAone-]

Can't wait for the DLC. Love the game on PS4 Pro (Thrustmaster T300RS + Wheel Stand Pro V2).

[@speedforcesimracer1712]

Great video i like to touch on gear changing up and down up first best to change gear at the peak of the torque curve this will give you maximum velocity and gain you tenths and deceleration engine breaking getting this correct will allow you to scrub the speed more effectively

[@LuizRodrigo775]

what to think about when he start braking at the zebra and still make a chikane?

[@arenaissanceishman6689]

“Bullshit, it’s not the setup.” 🤣 💯

[@Barry843]

U sir are ABSOLUTELY correct . In the beginning I would think they were cheating . For me I'm not 2 second I'm 20 second behind . . .

[@utilidades3]

hello very interesting but i was watching at tortellini's onboards and i couldn't find what you are explaining here, even in spa in the final corners you give as example. Or maybe i didnt understand completely the idea. If you could give us an example link or make another video explaining it analyzing driving examples it would be great! thanks

[@SimracingPopometer]

I'm not sure this is how it's done :)

[@ArisDrives]

Even you Nils don't realize that this is for this specific braking zone... www.reddit.com/r/ACCompetizione/comments/gf8fzl/tldw_how_aliens_gain_seconds_per_lap_a_small/fputwag?

[@SimracingPopometer]

@@ArisDrives maybe differently. I think the "why" is the important bit to make people understand. I don't disagree with the line that should be taken. I disagree with how the time is gained as I think that's quite different. Starting to brake from the middle of the track and drifting towards the outside curb before the turn in has a major sacrifice: When you start to turn in your car is not parallel to the white line, but actually pointing towards the outside of the track. Additional rotation needs to be done in the braking zone that others who brake on the outside right from the start have already sorted earlier. Yet, to be able to brake on the outside and straight line, you have to do a sacrifice coming out of Blanchimont and that's where you would collect the additional meters. Even though: traveling with 260 there = 80m/s and doing maybe 8m more will only add a tenth and thats probably already a stretch. Its probably just more unsettling for the car to take that extra sweep before flooring the brakes. Where the time comes from is usually not in the choice of braking point. People have a good sense for that. Where most people lack is knowing the grip limit of the tire and keeping it there as they transition from braking to turning. I started using a simplified analogy to point this out: The tire can produce only so much, say 100% grip. And you can either use it for braking or turning. As you start to turn, you have to give away some of the grip used for braking. Meaning: If you turn in using 10% of the tires grip capacity to rotate the car, only 90% can be used for braking. as you turn more, eventually you will use 90% for turning and that only leaves you with 10% to be used for braking. For the above example with the diagonal braking line: at the end of the braking zone you will ask a lot of the front tire because you have to straighten the car while still braking almost 100%. Yet, doing this will "prime" the car (I just recently learned that expressoin) and get it ready to take the inside curb that rotates the car massively. We are literally overloading the front tire going into the corner (=understeer) so that we mitigate the expected oversteer effect of the inside curb. Keeping the car in a state where you ask everything of the front tire but never more, or if anything, intentionally more than it can take, thats where the time comes from and that definitely dwarfs the 30cm longer braking zone. And yes: it's not the setup, can't be stressed enough.

[@derbigpr500]

@@SimracingPopometer Too many people are obsessed with thinking that a setup will make them faster, but the fact is, setups mostly change how the car feels subjectively, and not how fast the car is objectively, when we're talking about proper setups that is. Of course a totally bad setup will be slower, but once a good setup is made (and most cars come with it as default in this game), it's about the driving. All changes to the setup will make you gain some time in one place, but lose in the other. Sticking to one setup and actually learning how to fully exploit it is far more important than constantly fiddling with settings thinking that will somehow magically cause a faster laptime.

[@SimracingPopometer]

@@derbigpr500 I wasn't trying to say anything different to this. 99% agree :)

[@Fadedecho1]

👋👋ARIS!!!!

[@JarekCebula]

I think that most of very good drivers know what line to take but the real thing is to know how to keep that speed on that line not what line to take.

[@chuckystang]

The real reason why most under drive the car in a sim vs reality is because you are just not getting enough cues through a ffb steering wheel that you would get through your entire body IRL not to mention visual cues and audial ques also much more heightened and widened IRL. It is harder to drive on the limit in a sim vs real life is my point and why you see so many braking early in sim racing. Just my opinion.

[@fabioluisotto8278]

Sacrosanta verità, la differenza sta proprio nella loro costanza a far delle linee leggermente diverse che per ogni curva fruttano decimi e al giro secondi

[@jrssimracing5092]

The length of the track doesn't change under braking it's the same length.. The straightning of corner yed

[@fjc7000]

Great video!

[@riccardo5089]

Aris what's in your fish tank? 😁 It looks like a fish tank in the background

[@sundarworldTV]

Lines, braking points, all very well, but I, as a Porsche driver, measure each corner in "am I still alive at the exit?"

[@ArisDrives]

hehehe join the pain! :D

[@andresilvasophisma]

Aliens man.

[@jjaxsonjjames]

Doesn’t this angle of attack heat up and wear your tires faster?

[@archjuh]

Magic setup takes me from zero to hero!!!

[@86mystek]

But setup is really important still. You can't tell me. For example I usually did 2:20:200-2:20:600 during race on Spa. I have found an alien setup from YT and saw the differences. Before I didn't touch rear wheels toe in this example. I changed it and now I'm able to do constant 2:19:500-2:20:000 during race. 0,5s less than before! Just touch a little toe on rear (in this example of course). On Zolder is easy to create setup when You from 1:30:500 about can drop to low 1:29 during race as well. Setup is reaaaaally important. Of course - alien still will be faster on same setup I don't tell, but the difference will be not 2-3s but 1,5-1s about.

[@Tortellinii]

No one is denying that setup is important part but it is’t the reason alone for speed, setup only gives you more ability to extract that speed from the car and you driving very good setup a) needs to be lucky it suits your driving style, b) you will gain more with setup than him because you will probably be more confident with the car and it will be easier to get to it’s limit while alines will extract everything from even the base line, that is why how much speed wise setup is worth can only be told when compared with both setups pushed to their absolute limits, then you will see setup is worth nothing more than under a second, go to my YT channel and check videos with aggressive presets I made, some tracks I repeated with setup I made myself for myself and the majority of what I gain with it is just drivability and confidence it gives me to push for more lap time and keep that lap time consistent for an entire stint

[@86mystek]

@@Tortellinii no tak, wiadomo, że setup aliena np Twój niekoniecznie spasuje innej osobie. Sam próbowałem tak robić ale setup tego kierowcy jest nierealny do grania jak dla mnie. Jedne co daje się zauważyć we wszystkich szybkich setupach że auto jest mega nadsterowne. Widać to po tym ile skrecacie kierownicę w zakrętach, to raz. Dwa - zauważyć można też jak samochód się zachowuje, tj wchodzicie w zakręt (samo wejście dużo nie różni się od "zwykłego" setupu) i ta druga faza zakrętu, nagle samochód łapie taką mega dziwną trakcję i nie zmieniając skrętu kierownicą samochód w waszych setupach dokręca się w zakręt tak nienaturalnie. To jest mega dziwne. Nie wiem czym jest to spowodowane, tzn co trzeba ustawić żeby się tak samochód dokręcał w zakręt. Kiedyś do tego dojdę :)

[@jaxvanhalen5150]

They use their spaceships duh

[@justlanza4233]

Ciao Aris,questo se applicato ad Assetto Corsa (1) porta comunque un vantaggio? Spero in una risposta,un abbraccio da tutto il Drive4Fun 😄

[@ArisDrives]

Certo, il video non è per la frenata dedicata ma per mostrare come ogni dettaglio è importante. Ovviamente il concetto è valido per ogni sim e per la realtà.

[@jeanjo13k13]

Personaly alien aren't difficult to me am i the only to be that way?

[@Ari-Matti.Rintala]

This explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. In this corner yes, obviously the middle track line is the correct line because of the direction we are closing in to this braking zone. This is the shortest route to the next corner entry. However this doesn't make your braking distance any shorter. You are simply driving the shortest possible track.

[@Marauder1981]

Whats the painting tool he is using?

[@Leosousa1]

You are right, it's just a question to run the shortest line between two points. I think pilots have this sense as something natural. I'm not an alien, but I made it in my hotlap in my channel and i've never thought about it before

[@iseeq72]

The first example does not make sense.... at all. The example at the end is halfway wrong: Yes you have to cut (IF the curb angle allows it) turns, in that specific case it is more important to have a different apex and attack angle on the 2nd corner in order to accelerate out of the chicane as early as possible which gains at least a half a second on the following straight.

[@simsalamima2720]

I don't understand that tbh. Yes, you break later, but the car has to travel longer distance. If your braking distance is 70 meters and instead of driving 100 meters to the corner entry you travel 110 you didn't gain anything, actually you lose something as your lap distance is longer. With the same setup you will be slower.

[@loganm2766]

It depends on the corner. His example was a braking zone after that high speed left hand turn where your car is already on the right

[@TheGnarTube]

But with that line you cover a longer distance... so the tradeoff is null

[@federasta]

Il video parlato in tricolore, non c'è? 😭

Wooooooow, technology :)

[@ali09gaming58]

Does this work in real life though ?

[@LeeNashMusic]

so where can i download the setup

[@daviddanser8011]

Very helpful! Good now I know why I am 2-3 seconds a lap slower. Not that I can drive as precise to the same though. Keep practicing

[@yz249]

No mate, this isn't it. This only helps for this one specific corner and will save you a tenth or 2 ,not 2-3 seconds. It will hamper you in every other corner, as the distance increase is marginal so the times you save will be only about a hundredth of a second max, and then you wil loose more than that due to a sharper turn in that will kill your corner speed. This is only a tip for this specific corner on this track, it's not a general thing.

[@daviddanser8011]

@@yz249 I was talking about the general knowledge he was talking about actually not this specific corner. But the amount of detail and the small difference in lines in every corner. More or less now I know I am 2 seconds slower because their lines are just tighter and better in every corner and I need to work on that.

[@Bazzookie]

Those two braking lines would have no real difference in time, and if anything I usually brake closer to the outside on the final chicane at spa, and its not one of the corners where I lose time. 99% of drivers lose time because they don't maximise their corner speed, get on the throttle too early unbalancing the car or too late having a poor exit, miss their braking mark, or take a poor line all together. Many of the people who set incredible sim times are usually taking advantage of holes in the physics engine or the fact that the cars in sim aren't 100% accurate. Its why you'll see cars outperforming their real life counterparts 99% of time. Where you decide to brake from, whether that be the inside or the outside plays no real role in lap times. Your entry into the corner, your line/apex through the corner, and your corner exit are so much more important.

[@thertsr9999]

ive read a thing about senna last time . In a race ( i dont rembember where ) he crashed the his car into the wall , and when he went out of his car he told to his team " the wall moved " everyone thinked he was crazy but effectively a beton block moved from less than 1 fcking centimeter . The guy was driving so precisely that he exactly known what happend wtffff

[@jakewilliams8328]

Ngl anyone could match the alien times of they are using hotlap mode.. like you cant claim a certain laptime when you have no temp to worey about

[@xxczerxx]

I wonder do aliens know they're aliens, or do they think other people are?

[@maicolx7776]

Yap ...back to school my friend.