Labour’s Plan for Brexit Explained

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Brexit has been a difficult issue for the Labour Party, as Labour leader Keir Starmer has to regularly bat away accusations that he wants to take the UK back into the EU. But Brexit isn't going away anytime soon - so what are Labour's Brexit plans?
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[@bigernie9433]

To quote Mark Carney, the former Governor of the BoE: "Brexit supporters tried to create Singapore on the Thames, the Truss government instead delivered Argentina on the Channel."

[@colinwishbone4437]

Instead a Labour London Mayor has turned our capital to a sithole,encouraging the riff raff of the world there forcing the true Londoners out.Beware ! A vote for Labour!! What IS happening in London will happen throughout Britain.

[@gsismaet5385]

❤

[@SaintGerbilUK]

While the sentiment is true, what did Truss do in order for that to be the case?

[@jameslewis2635]

@@SaintGerbilUK How did you miss her crashing the economy by refusing to listen to anybody that actually knew about economics and just shooting for an ideology that had nothing to do with reality?

[@johnnyguitar6697]

@@SaintGerbilUK Provoke a run on the pound and getting the government's borrowing costs to soar.

[@cburgdorfer]

Is it just me, or does it sometimes feel like the EU was there to protect the British people ... from the British politicians?

[@duhni4551]

UK behaves like a small child, looking things from the EU side, so why wouldn't EU treat UK as such? One does protect child from it self.

[@user-ds8rj2vc4v]

@@duhni4551 I mean, the EU has its own problems and the analogy would work there too. You're just bias in one direction. The reality is that the EU just doesn't work well and as many EU politicans are now saying, needs to be reformed. The UK government also doesn't work well and also needs to be reformed.

[@duhni4551]

@@user-ds8rj2vc4v It is not about is there problems, it is about how you approach the problems, EU solves them while UK is still having a temper tantrum and as a nation doesn't even seem to know what they want. That is acting like a child, literally and it is not about bias either, it is just how things are. EU as it is now and has been some time really doesn't work well, EU has been stagnating between a crossroad wondering should we head towards Republic or not and that is a decision that has to be made for EU to go forward. Not that EU has been stagnating in the way you think about it, EU-ASEAN and South-American economical zone for example are about to form huge common economical union and so on, "small" things like that. So you can really stop with that "all is equal" BS, nothing in this world is equal, absolutely nothing.

[@lesskeels3417]

It;'s not the EU mob we need protection from, it's Starmer and his experiments in the chemistry lab.

[@maxpowerii7368]

What by giving British politicians a scapegoat to blame all their policy failures on? Brexit was great because it called British politicians out on their bullshit. Now they have to actually lead but are incapable of it so it will be the death of them politically.

[@electric_whelk1653]

This is the thing; what people never got until it was too late about Brexit is that while you can opt out of the EU, you can't opt out of the problems the EU is trying to solve. It doesn't mean you don't have to negotiate what fish are yours and what aren't, it doesn't mean there isn't a refugee crisis anymore, it doesn't mean you can just automatically trade with whoever; all it means you don't get a decision about how this shit is negotiated. And whenever I hear people grumble about it being unfair that we're going to have to be "rule takers and not rule makers" I just can't stop thinking about that Mike quote from the last season of Breaking Bad: “We had a good thing you stupid son of a bitch! We had Fring! We had a lab, we had everything we needed and it all ran like clockwork. You could have shut your mouth, cooked, and made as much money as you needed, but you just had to blow it up, you and your pride and your ego.”

[@Aspartame69]

The EU is causing most of the problems in africa with one sided deals that impoverish every part of the continent they work with. The EU is nothing more than the german empire by different means.

[@williamhenry8914]

Hilarious comment and apt 😂

[@Killinemkid]

The UK has a sphere of influence equal in size to the EU with a far more homogeneous mixture of peoples, problems, and capacity to solve them. The UK does not need the EU and the EU brings it more problems. The Anglosphere will thrive with or without the United States as a part of it. Our culture, history, economy and heritage is stronger without Latin supremacy, Russian spies and African mass migration. The UK meeds to invest in its relationship with the Caribbean. We'll need new semiconductor manufacturers soon, which means new laser manufacturing, new bonding processes. The UK needs to pick a specialization and fit itself into the Anglosphere where it can thrive. Between Canada, Ireland, The AngloCaribbean, Australia, Israel, and New Zealand we'd makeup, what? 15% of the global economy? More of its land and mineral wealth than any other country on Earth? Bugger off with the nonsense about the goddamn circle jerk of former empires and Asians and Middle Easterners pretending to be White.

[@toyotaprius79]

​@@Besthinktwicethe UK more often than not engineered in many of the EU's flaws and compromises ...

[@toyotaprius79]

​​@@Killinemkiddon't kid yourself until you come to the acceptance of the Empire's colonial and neocolonial legacy. When you and British society writ large can accept the genocides and man made famines of Ireland, India and Bangladesh; the current day piracy of BP and Canary Wharf, of your own Tories siphoning the public purse as long as they could, then you may be thinking about what independence is a bit differently...

[@alicetwain]

For most Europeans, a key issue would also be not needing passports and visa for short tourist stays (which do not allow working or taking up permanent residence). Do not forget that we can travel throughout the EU and to many non-EU countries with no passports, on just our ID. And this is damaging the UK tourist market because, honestly, if I have to choose between visiting the UK having to get a passport and (soon) a visa, and visiting Barcelona by just buying a flight, I will go to Barcelona.

[@Lando-kx6so]

EU citizens DO NOT need a visa to enter the UK for short stays.

[@alicetwain]

@@Lando-kx6so not yet. We will next year.

[@ab-ym3bf]

For most Europeans, the UK is not a travel destination, so they don't care. Certainly not a "key issue"

[@rolandhaas566]

Who wants to go there ? I know nobody....They wanted to leave the EU so let them alone on her wet island ....I just hope they also will stay there and let us quiet with her cherry picking mentality .

[@hey12542]

​@@alicetwainYou'll need an ETA authorisation to travel to the UK once it's up and running but this is no different to UK passport holders who will need an ETIAS to enter the Schengen area. This is how it is for everyone now. It's not great but what can we do 🤷. Enjoy Barcelona.

[@charlycharly8151]

Uk politics still think that the EU is at their disposal to negotiate whatever they want, whenever they, however they want…

[@HShango]

That's why the EU will never take us seriously.

[@blablup1214]

Yes Brexit is done and the people are fed up with the attitude of the UK that they want to re negotiate a better deal again and again. Imagine if this would be reversed and the EU would ask every year for a better deal. For example. We want that the UK is not part of the single market , gets no advantages of being a EU member BUT pays full membership fees , how does such a glorious idea sound ?

[@maxpowerii7368]

@@blablup1214yeah no one in Britain gives a fuck. Only people wanting to restart the Brexit debates are people who never got over Britain voting to leave. Loss of access to the Aryan European Empire has hit them hard.

[@maxpowerii7368]

@@blablup1214oh and Tories desperate to distract from fact they have no real policies beyond Brexit.

[@TheThundertaker]

Yep, and you would think they would learn from reading all the comments from Europeans when the subject of 'rejoining' comes up on social media that absolutely hostile and contemptuous reaction they get. Either promising to stop the UK getting back in, or demanding such humiliating and punitive terms that the British public would never vote for it. The remoaners are despised by the Brexit voting public and the EU citizenry alike. Britain's EU membership is in the past and it will ever remain thus.@@maxpowerii7368

[@Arltratlo]

Starmer have not a say if the EU would accept the UK back, only the EU can do it!

[@lesskeels3417]

EXACTLY. Only the EU can make that decision, percentages of the UK that wish to return mean absolutely nothing to them, it's all down to the T&C's and the Copenhagen Criteria.

[@jimUK87]

He hasn't said anything about rejoining the EU. He's talking about an improved relationship, with a completely different government, than the one which negotiated in bad faith. Remember the EU exported £432bn of goods to the UK last year. That's a pretty big customer. It's beneficial for both parties to keep trade up. Even if it means the UK is in a much weaker position than before, we're still talking huge numbers.

[@loganullman-campbell5017]

The Brexit plan is a lot like the old one but red.

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

Because The British exit from the EU really only has a limited framework while still being a British exit. The people voted to leave and so leave the UK did.

[@loganullman-campbell5017]

England voted to leave... You can hardly say anyones left either@@FinalLugiaGuardian

[@theemperorofmankind7706]

If the uk is to rejoin as far as I'm concerned they MUST not get any exemptions like they got the first time.

[@takenoticeable]

Even though we put all the money in? It’s called leverage. Hence why we got the concessions in the first place.

[@haidouk872]

As a French, I'm observing a growing dissonance of concerns between UK and all of EU. For UK, it seems like Brexit is still very much a present and active issue, with all the problems it caused and that keep unraveling. It's at the forefront of the political discourse, directly or indirectly. In the EU, for us Brexit is very much a thing of the past. We already spent so much unecessary energy trying to come with a somewhat stable agreement, and it is now behind us. And our politicians are tired of being forced to renegotiate the deals endlessly because the Brits are unhappy. We have so much more pressing issues at the moment than dealing with UK's problem. So, British politicians and British population as a whole need to accept the facts that: 1. The deal they have now is mostly what they're gonna keep having for now. 2. Whether they dislike Brexit or not, it is there to stay for atleast one decade, probably two. Issues they have as a consequence of Brexit are not our problem anymore. They must stop assuming we'll be willing to renegotiate the deals over and over again. And we don't have any spare energy to spend on giving UK attention, at the moment.

[@HShango]

Unfortunately there's people in these four isles that have the dream that somehow Starmer will bring the UK back in (I can't see it ever happening under his administration). I also agree with you that there are more important things to talk about and resolve than brexit on earth.

[@ab-ym3bf]

Plenty of energy, just simply not bothered to waste that on the UK.

[@williamhenry8914]

The Brits think they are the centre of everything, even people who want to rejoin only talk about what Britain wants and never about whether Europeans want to go through all this nonsense again

[@KGDHMF]

At this point, the UK is going to play a circle mental gymnastics and eventually join.

[@georgiewalker5826]

deals are negotiated all the time, the EU and most countries are in a constant state of renegotiation constantly

[@RedfishUK1964]

One of the other comments the EU officials made about re-opening talks were that they didn't want to enter agreements that would be reversed by an incoming Eurosceptic Govt And this is actually the main hurdle for Starmer, and those who want even closer arrangements - CU, SM or even re-join. The EU will want to see a major change in the UK mindset towards EU and I think logically we are talking Generational not in the next few years So all he can really do is get the low hanging fruit which are win/win - showing good faith and perhaps aligning standards with temp relaxing of rules while these remain in place If you want a return to EU membership - its a long slow walk back, but every journey starts with a single step

[@ab-ym3bf]

No, the main hurdle for being part of the SM and or CU or both is that it is not possible for 3rd country UK.

[@d4v1do]

@@ab-ym3bfwhy can’t we just have a Swiss type deal

[@NoMementoMori]

​@@d4v1dobecause the EU gave the Swiss that deal as a privilege, it is not the norm. They aren't obligated to giving it, in fact the EU quite dislikes the Swiss arrangement and afaik is seeking to work it over. No chance in hell they give it again to anyone, and no chance in hell x100 they give it to the UK

[@HShango]

@@NoMementoMori spot on 👊🏿

[@Handygamer]

Some of these low-hanging fruits were fortunately already outlined in the video. As one of the last Erasmus students over in the UK in spring of last year, I wish the UK were to rejoin that program sooner rather than later. As one of my lecturers told me once (I was staying in Paisley): "There's plenty of students both in the UK and the EU who will likely never have the financial means, even with Erasmus, to go study abroad. But Erasmus enables them to meet and get to know students from other countries nonetheless." And even though the Erasmus students do tend to stick to themselves (I've experienced it myself), they still offer a glimpse of other countries, cultures and ways to go about life.

[@youcantata]

EU has done with UK. EU people don't want more relationship with UK than current. EU works much better without egoistic and jingoistic crybaby UK. EU people are happy with current state of EU-UK relationship. No reason to shake the current status quo.

[@strategystuff5080]

It has already been said, in this thread, but the UK has 0 chance of getting anything without first giving something, none in the EU wants them back, they are too chaotic. Now that they are out of the EU, the EU doesn't have to care about the UK anymore, it doesn't have to pay attention to whenever it throws its toys out of the pram. the UK did the EU a huge favor by stripping themselves of their special privileges within the EU, I would personally benefit from the UK rejoining, but its not gonna happen, at least not soon.

[@kelvinpell4571]

Don't forget; had the E.U not carried our repeated and gerrymandered "referendums" on the Maastricht and Lisbon "treaties", France, Ireland and Denmark would not be integrated into the E.U now. people have very myopic and short memories of what actually went on.

[@roastntoast7550]

How arrogant can you be?! The UK has always negotiated better terms for them, that was when they joined and on many other things while they were in the EU. How do you come to the conclusion that the EU still wants the UK? Leave the EU for your own benefit, then things don't go as planned and then re-enter the EU for your own benefit. I hope the European Union is not so stupid as to allow this!

[@lecturesfromleeds614]

Starmer could truthfully say that Britain won't be rejoining the EU because the EU won't want Britain anytime soon

[@realjohanngoethe]

Eurocrats are seething over Brexit till this day. They'd love for UK to come back into the fold.

[@haveanotherpinacolada]

Why the fuck would we want to join that failing regime?

[@fab5fred31]

spot on! The UK is not welcome anymore 🤷🏻‍♂️ Sorry.

[@manuelfg2902]

As a spaniard, i can confirm that. We don't want UK back into the EU. Good bye, arrogant brits.

[@si2foo]

they would only want Britain if britain agreed to forgo the pound for the Euro. which would make the Euro the most valuable currency in the world. not the best because that will always be the USD because of there monopoly on the Swift system

[@roastntoast7550]

How arrogant can you be?! The UK has always negotiated better terms for them, that was when they joined and on many other things while they were in the EU. How do you come to the conclusion that the EU still wants the UK? Leave the EU for your own benefit, then things don't go as planned and then re-enter the EU for your own benefit. I hope the European Union is not so stupid as to allow this!

[@Sapper127]

No he can't, why? because the EU won't let him.

[@notorio526]

Starmer now claims Johnson's deal is bad, but don't forget he supported and whipped that deal in Parliament.

[@Arltratlo]

yes, if he not done it, you would have a no deal Brexshit....and its a shits show with a deal, now imagine it without a deal!

[@DemonDethchase]

It wouldn't have been the first time Starmer has aided the Tories by whipping his MPs to back it, or bravely abstaining, it makes one wonder if he truly is a Tory given he says "I don't care if people think I'm a Tory."

[@notorio526]

@@Arltratlo This is false, there was time for more scrutiny of the deal in Parliament and more votes. Plus the vote went through on Tory numbers alone. So Starmer needn't have supported it, and more importantly he allowed one of the most damaging bills in living memory to pass with no Opposition scrutiny.

[@lesskeels3417]

Don't pay him too much attention, by this time tomorrow he'll have forgotten all about it, let alone who had the original idea.

[@Bertrum123]

No he didn't corbyn was shadow pm .starmer wanted the uk to stay it was corbyn stood on the fence .like eveything he did

[@SsickMusic]

With an open mind... it is hard to find any advantages in not being in the EU. The independence, yes, but independence for what? What are the advantages of this independence? If it’s only a matter of ideals & nostalgia...

[@tiagotimoteo4004]

There are people who can only look at the past.

[@krzysztofwisniecki5261]

The UK left and should deal with the consequences no concessions.

[@ShrunkedDude]

not really fair when 2 countries in the UK voted to remain.

[@Theoryofcatsndogs]

Don't think EU will allow UK to re-join EU without costing UK an arm and leg. The minimum will be replace pound with Euro.

[@markwelch3564]

What's so amazing about the Pound, anyway?

[@mrsplashmanjr1285]

​@@markwelch3564 it's ability not to have euro zone crisis's

[@EightThreeEight]

If Denmark and Sweden are allowed to have their opt-out, why can't we?

[@HShango]

@@EightThreeEight we did, when we was a member of the block, then we voted out. Now you want that back, what earth do you live on (for you to think the EU will do that again).

[@markwelch3564]

@@mrsplashmanjr1285 true, we get our own crises, with a much smaller economy to absorb the shock...

[@bigernie9433]

The TCA (that Labour including Sir Keir incidentally voted for) clearly states that the review, which, btw, is due not for 2025, but rather for 2026, is a "review of the implementation" of the TCA, not a review of the TCA as such. It will certainly have an agenda point as to whether the UK has finally implemented the TCA in full by then. But it will not be a renegotiation of the TCA as such.

[@ArturoSubutex]

As a European, there's not plan for Brexit needed. Brexit is done, we don't want to negotiate anything new. The UK is like an abusive ex partner who dumped you and is now mad that you're doing fine without them, and so tries to seek some attention

[@helenooft9664]

Sorry, but the EU dont need a new Brexit deal, we said it before no cherry picking. GB is a 3rd country with the same rules as all the others.

[@user-ds8rj2vc4v]

Except, not all 3rd countries have the same rules. We know this. That's kinda the point of the negotiation process.

[@HShango]

Starmer: lets talk EU: if it is about Brexit, no thanks!

[@user-ds8rj2vc4v]

Well, that's not true. Countries are always in constant talks with each other. Do you not think the EU would want to talk to its second largest trading partner? The only one larger is the US, which is just a whole other kinda mess.

[@lesskeels3417]

Starmer has two books on the EU and its modus operandi.......but he still hasn;t finished colouring in the first one as yet.

[@maxpowerii7368]

Starmer does not want to talk. Not yet anyway. He knows he won’t get into power if he even mentions rejoin. And in the end that’s all he really cares about…not some silly Euronationalist project dreamt up by a non-European technocrat who never felt accepted here.

[@tancreddehauteville764]

You can't cherry pick. End of.

[@fabianmarciniak6211]

Even if UK wants to back, EU will not automatically agree. It’s a long way to get approved, and I believe, everyone is just tired about this topic in EU block.

[@givemeabreak8784]

EU doesn't need a new deal. Enjoy your fruits .

[@maxharbig1167]

THe TCA review in 2025, according to EU sources, will be in practice an audit of the level of implementation arrived at at and the extent of compliance by both parties. It will not be the opportunity for a "renegotiation".

[@uplink-on-yt]

Reading some of the comments inspired me to think this: Imagine that the UK does apply to rejoin the EU. Then, the EU rejects the application. Imagine that the same people who complain that the EU is punishing the UK for leaving, will complain that the EU won't let the UK back in as punishment for leaving, and make a big stink out of it, while not wanting to rejoin to begin with.

[@Arltratlo]

there are countries ahead in the queue to enter the EU....so if Georgia can enter the EU, so can the UK...in 50 yeras...

[@ChristiaanHW]

@@Arltratlothere is no queue. if someone wants to become an EU member they have to comply with all parts of the Copenhagen agreement. so a country that already complies to all points before applying will become member before (for example) Turkey who won't comply with several points of the Copenhagen agreements. so it doesn't matter how long you're already an applicant, it matters how fast you're able to comply to the rules/requirements to even get into the EU.

[@Arltratlo]

@@ChristiaanHW in the case of the UK, never!

[@user-ds8rj2vc4v]

@@Arltratlo That's not how it works. It's not a queue or timeline system. It's a criteria system. Basically, Georgia doesn't meet the criteria. Same reason Ukraine hasn't joined.

[@jimUK87]

You realise 16.1m of us voted against this in the first place? People who were 11 years old at the time of the vote are now of voting age and a bunch of old brexit voters have died since then. The UK is made up of a lot of different views and opinions. It's not the same person you are talking to, everytime you hear a different point of view on Brexit.

[@Grymbaldknight]

> The public vote narrowly to have Cumberland sausages, rather than Bratwursts, at the national BBQ. > The government - hosting the BBQ - always wanted Bratwursts, and regretted asking for a vote on the matter. > After much backstage debate and dithering, the Cumberland sausages on the grill burned to a crisp. Many within the government grinned at the result. > The government coyly admitted that cooking the Cumberland sausages had gone badly. Many smugly argued that Cumberland sausages are terrible anyway, so choosing them over Bratwursts was doomed from the outset. This is Brexit in a nutshell.

[@toddb9313]

The EU has to be sick of this crap.

[@duhni4551]

Nah, after the deal was signed we stopped caring. Doesn't affect us in any way or form.

[@ab-ym3bf]

Why, these are mostly internal UK discussions and fantasies.

[@christianjambou8208]

No one cares about your island.

[@9n3-]

@@duhni4551you’re acting like you speak for a non government organisation. The most of mainland Europe is a former soviet slum that’ll never recover

[@user-ds8rj2vc4v]

@@duhni4551 You're not the EU.

[@zurielsss]

Imagine having to go back to divorce negotiations after it has been concluded 2 years ago. That’s how the EU felt about talking to UK

[@jimUK87]

The relationship never ended though. The UK is a massive customer to the EU, the EU exported £432bn to the UK in 2022. Like it or not, businesses in the EU still trade huge amounts to the UK and easing of friction would benefit them, just as much as it would UK business. The architects of Brexit will be long gone from UK politics by 2025. The UK and EU will always have a fluid relationship. Trade and diplomacy didn't end the day we left the EU and it never will.

[@zurielsss]

@@jimUK87 £340B is UK exports to EU, 42% of uk exports. While those £432B imports from the EU is less than 8% of EU exports. They are in no hurry to negotiate with UK for trade terms for a minor trade partner

[@roastntoast7550]

How arrogant can you be?! The UK has always negotiated better terms for them, that was when they joined and on many other things while they were in the EU. How do you come to the conclusion that the EU still wants the UK? Leave the EU for your own benefit, then things don't go as planned and then re-enter the EU for your own benefit. I hope the European Union is not so stupid as to allow this!

[@ionlyfearphobophobia]

How do you think we feel? The UK population voted out, yet the majority of UK politicians voted remain, hence why they dragged their heel implementing it, and why they keep trying to undo it. That explains the insanity over all of this.

[@RealistReviewer]

It's not like that, it's all about economics and what makes sense, the deal does not make sense from an economic standpoint, what matters to EU is money and closer trading ties brings more money and some nice concessions from the UK that makes EU more money, that's all that matters really, is it more economically viable.

[@Aendavenau]

He being able to take the UK back into the EU is ridiculous. He cant, even if the UK united behind him and applied there will need to be a lot of convincing and sacrifice done by the UK before they could even start a new membership application.

[@SirAmnesia]

negotiations is part of the membership application process, there's no point negotiating if there's no application but there's no application without it in a manifesto (which there isnt) and possibly another referendum on it in the first place. It all starts with the party and no party is interested in membership yet... possibly because countries would just turn it down anyway without some sort of commitment, which a referendum would be a good start.

[@missm10]

yep. the UK realistically won't rejoin for at least 20 years.

[@leeburkitt1442]

I imagine 20 years as well, by then the babyboomer / daily mail lot will have departed and a more sensible approach could be looked at. Depressing but it's where we are.......

[@HShango]

​​@@missm10realistically even after 2 decades I can't see the UK rejoining the EU. It's for the birds.

[@Aspartame69]

@@leeburkitt1442 The EU wont be here in 20 years. At best there will be a germany, france partnership, a spain, italy partnership, and the eastern european countries could land in cooperation with either side. The east offering them pragmatic governance, with the west offering them an economic market at the expense of their culture and childrens sanity.

[@pantherpopel551]

Alot of theorycrafting around what Starmer MIGHT do, when we know one thing about him: He has no actual stance and will reneg on promises, if it suits him.

[@Dani117love]

Absolutely. Starmer's had so long to pick a lane/direction for the party and country but has focussed on not rocking the boat. This has shown his lack of backbone and this late in the game anything he says will feel like pandering to the audience to secure votes as opposed to genuine plans

[@davidmcintyre8145]

It is pure English exceptionalism to believe that Starmer or any other leader could take the UK back into the EU. The decision is not one the UK parliament can make, it can apply to join either the EU or the EFTA but the decision on whether the UK can join rests with the members of these organisations. As far as the EU goes any member could veto the UK and there are a raft of countries lining up to do just that including but not limited to France,Germany,Spain and Ireland and Norway has already officially stated that it will veto the UK joining the EFTA. It would appear that for the UK for as long as it lasts as an entity and after that England(the situations for Northern Ireland and an independent Scotland are very different)brexit is for life not just for Christmas

[@hypadao235]

​@@Besthinktwice I am French and I think it would be foolish to reintegrate the UK into the EU if it does not commit to fully rejoining the EU and abandoning its national currency, before Brexit we were already pissed that the United Kingdom is doing everything to obtain exemptions from EU rules and I do not think that a single French person wants the United Kingdom to once again benefit from this exceptional treatment in the EU . it's a question of solidarity, if they are not ready to take a hit for the team they should stay out of the EU !

[@williamhenry8914]

If Turkey gets in first and vetoes the UK rejoining I will laugh my head off Unlikely but oh my god that would be funny

[@griegomas]

It's really quite silly. Imagine you negotiate a divorce, and one party keeps failing to keep up their end, tries to come back and renegotiate constantly, sends mixed signals - are you going to remarry this person? Even after 30 years, what kinds of concessions would they have to make for you to even consider it? How do you think this person is generally viewed by others? It's a clown show where the clowns don't know they are clowns.

[@davidmcintyre8145]

@@williamhenry8914 Remember if the UK breaks up as it is certain to do and Scotland joins the EU it could be Scotland vetoing the rUK as Westminster promised to veto Scotland joining the EU if it voted for independence in 2014

[@irminschembri8263]

@@hypadao235 👍

[@benjamindejonge3624]

Who wants to deal with the UK ? This days, they’re out. Done and dusted please don’t cry

[@professortrog7742]

Cherry-picking, unlikely that that will be accepted.

[@jamesthomson3774]

It dose not need to be reset. We need to go back into the EU.

[@marinusvos]

That's going to take a very long time.

[@rolandhaas566]

Do you really think we need you ? Or do you really think we want you back ? The EU was much to friendly with you during your membership and even during the negotiations after you voted to leave. You are out and this is good so ....nobody miss you ....

[@jimUK87]

​​@@rolandhaas566Thankfully, international diplomacy isn't hashed out in KZbin comment sections. Why would the EU not want the 5th/6th biggest economy in the world as a member, on the same footing as other member states. It would be a massive win for the EU to be honest. All the preferential treatment gone and another massive economy added to its ranks. You might not miss the EU but I can guarantee that if there is money to be made, our politicians will explore it. Emotions don't often get a look in when we're talking about trillions of Euros.

[@roastntoast7550]

How arrogant can you be?! The UK has always negotiated better terms for them, that was when they joined and on many other things while they were in the EU. How do you come to the conclusion that the EU still wants the UK? Leave the EU for your own benefit, then things don't go as planned and then re-enter the EU for your own benefit. I hope the European Union is not so stupid as to allow this!

[@purelle88]

​​@@jimUK87We don't want it because it's not only about economy. The way you left, in turbulent times for everyone, basing your decisions on lies, in an general crisis for the whole world, you've putted the whole EU in an enormous reputational risk. Just few years before the war... you've never understood that it's not only about economy. You've seems to had lost that compass. The real question that you should ask yourself, when thinking about EU, is not on what it was founded, but when and why. If it was a question of "big economy" the we can invite the us or China? How about you to join an union of "strong economies"? It's not all about "emotions"? You literally left because of that .... everything bad was EU's fault...now you saw it's not.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

The spectre of a GE is near.

[@Jamandabop]

"Starmer has to repeatedly battle accusations that he supports an overwhelmingly popular policy." This country is dead.

[@jimUK87]

Not quite, he just knows he will be crucified by the right wing press if he doesn't keep his cards close to his chest. I've personally lost a lot of respect for Starmer in recent months, but labour will still get my vote, as they are the better option on offer. I'd prefer to see them play the game and maximise their chances of winning the election, without giving ammunition to the Tories to claw back voters who have turned their backs on them.

[@robertjones2053]

@@jimUK87 this from a guy who just quoted YouGov's website as if it was a goverment website based on actual data not polling. You are about 12 years old and politically naive. YouGov's website is not a good measure mate. 😂😂😂

[@jimUK87]

​@@robertjones2053That was from the parliamentary report, which fair enough did quote the YouGov polls. It was the data that the government used to create the report so they must give some credibility to YouGov. Which source have you got to disprove those statistics, other than the conversations you have with your mates at the pub? Your own experience seems to come from, by your own admission, a leave voting constituency. It's not representative of the UK as a whole.

[@robertjones2053]

@@jimUK87 that parliament report read from 2016. They analysed the results later and found that it was not accurate. Google it. I googled your quoted and it took me 30 seconds. Maybe step out your bubble a little and educate yourself. They original thought that only 38% of the under 30s voted but later corrected that to 66%. You can work out the number are wrong by the age data. A basic % calc of eligible voters by age is the easiest way to work it out. Clearly it is a representation of the UK as we voted to leave by a 4% swing. Seriously? 😂

[@jimUK87]

​​@@robertjones2053Fair enough, I didn't know that. I don't mind being corrected by the way. It wouldn't take a huge change in public opinion to reverse a 4% swing, considering it was 7 years ago.

[@pieterjan29]

You guys still being busy on that? Last news I heard in my country was that the EU made a deal with the UK about North Ireland. And that it.

[@HShango]

Sunak: everything is fine and dandy Reality: nothing good is happening here in the Uk, everything is in a mess 😮‍💨

[@Aspartame69]

Same everywhere else.

[@HShango]

​@@Aspartame69reality: the UK has the worst inflation in the G7 😮‍💨 Brits: (ignorantly) it's the same everywhere else

[@tenniskinsella7768]

And in eu countries

[@Will-vs5kp]

Well that's just plain wrong

[@Aspartame69]

@@HShango We also have the highest growth over the last 3 years in any european member of the G7.

[@TomSmith-jp1es]

28 pages? Jeez that's like, 50ish errors then total?

[@MrKlapask]

Imagine blaming the EU before you join, when you join, and when you left it. What about THIS taxpayer’s money?? You called your shots. Re-opening these deals just because of a change of government is simply not feasible. The UK cherry-picked for way too long and it is not fair now to negotiate for what you want to continue to take from the EU.

[@raitchison]

As an American I'm surprised that rejoining the EU isn't a very popular stance to take.

[@ab-ym3bf]

Education levels aren't that high in England.

[@jimUK87]

It's just going to take a bit longer for the elderly brexit voters, to be replaced by younger people who can see the damage it's caused. You only have to look at the polls around Brexit to see there has already been a big shift in attitude. Any small steps we can take now will set us up for potentially rejoining in a decade or two.

[@givemeabreak8784]

No one in the EU wants them back. Would you let a bunch of bullies in your circle?

[@jimUK87]

​@@givemeabreak8784If the bullies had had their wings clipped yes. There will be a completely different party in power come 2025. You're not dealing with the same people. This is a nation of almost 70m people. Maybe don't be so quick to generalise. There are countries within the EU, who have caused much bigger problems within Europe throughout history than the UK leaving the EU and they were forgiven.

[@ab-ym3bf]

@@jimUK87 there might be another party in power in 2025, but it's just another cheak of the same @rse. It doesn't matter who is in power, when it comes to anything EU there are not great differences other than the tone, but the saem cherry picking, entitled and delusional attitude and arrogance is present in both parties, reflecting the mood of the majority of the nation. The UK, or better England, is not for cooperating on the same level, being a team player unless it can be the one telling the others what to do. It has nothing to do with forgiveness, it has everything to do with looking ahead and protecting the EU and its goals when people say they don't want England back in.

[@austinwaddell9646]

Man if only there was a group that you could be apart of so co-operation between us and the EU was improved, with all the benefits of the single market, open travel and none of the constraints of Boris’ brexit….. that would be crazy

[@joaomarreiros4906]

No.

[@jkbonn1]

NO, you can't get back! We don't want you anymore!

[@missm10]

Starmer won't be able to do much even if he wanted to rejoin customs union / single market. start with rejoining schemes not requiring EU membership like Erasmus, work to meet the Copenhagen criteria for reapplying (that includes PR and reforming the media), mass educate the politics on what the EU is and is not, then take it from there. Rejoining is a long term project and will not happen for at least 20 years. The EU have other priorities than the geopolitical equivalent of a toddler and who can blame them?

[@MrsGardiner]

So true @missm10 The change will have to happen in Britain first and be seen to happen. If Britons don't want to become committed Europeans and support the aims of the EU, it will not convince all other 27 countries to agree. If the UK press remains hostile to EU as at present, it won't happen either.

[@bthsr7113]

IF the EU lets the UK back, it won't be in the original place of senior influence and being able to throw their weight around to shape multinational policy. They will be the junior probationary member who everyone looks at like they're going to try to flip the table and leave again. But that is still better than having to bang and please on the door for every separate issue they don't want to be left out in the cold on.

[@roastntoast7550]

How arrogant can you be?! The UK has always negotiated better terms for them, that was when they joined and on many other things while they were in the EU. How do you come to the conclusion that the EU still wants the UK? Leave the EU for your own benefit, then things don't go as planned and then re-enter the EU for your own benefit. I hope the European Union is not so stupid as to allow this!

[@p.alterego3424]

1:20 out of 9:30 is in video advertisment. do they have also you tube advertisments running ? then you add the patreon stuff. i think someone wana get rich ^^

[@Ineedahandle75]

Starmer: "There's no case for re-joining EU" Also Starmer. "We want closer ties with EU"

[@glasgovipsolara]

Another EU referendum you say England? Scotland here: “it was once in a generation vote”, “you can’t keep having referenda just to get the result you want”, “there’s no appetite for another referendum”, “you’ll have to use the euro”, “you don’t meet the criteria to join”, “you’ll have to get to the back of the queue”, “you have no mandate to hold another referendum”, “we will veto your application” - sound familiar? If you think Ireland and other member states won’t veto your application to rejoin then your exceptionalism is beyond help. You’ve made your bed. Now lie in it.

[@rayc9539]

The exceptionalism displayed by our political parties does not reflect the way the entire UK electorate feels. Public opinion has drastically drifted in favour of a closer EU relationship. People have seen the consequences of the hard brexit delivered by the tories.

[@georgiewalker5826]

If he wants to actually renegotiate the deal, he needs to accept the four freedoms of the EU, and have the UK pay into the EU budget, otherwise the EU won't want to have re-negotiation. Also unfortunately unless we re-join we will be a rule taker and not a maker. Would rather have Starmer saying he will start the process of re-joining.

[@davidevans3223]

Yeah lose the pound alone would stop any negotiations with the huge majority of brits

[@tomlxyz]

I rather keep the UK out

[@mildlydispleased3221]

It's inevitable, but it is too soon, once Labour is in power, we will slowly start negotiations.

[@HShango]

​@@mildlydispleased3221why do you think Starmer will get the UK back in the EU, when Starmer said that is not happening 🤨🤔

[@d4v1do]

@@HShangonot in the immediate future

[@IR19881]

You guys are like the ex-boyfriend that can't get over the fact that the relationship is over.

[@NoName-hg6cc]

In one word: no. There won't be renegotiations, brexit means brexit

[@Richard1A2B]

Much of what you call step by step selective cooperation" are simply UK obligations under the WA, TCA or WTO. So they are not improvements in relationship they are basic obligations and gap filling.

[@williamhenry8914]

Love your profile image, it’s very important to rub their faces in their own stupidity, otherwise they will do it again, 10/10

[@gerardsmit626]

First Scotland and Northern Ireland back in the EU, and then after perhaps two centuries England

[@peterpain6625]

Nah. A couple of decades at most. But the start will probably be an United Ireland and Free Scotland.

[@davidgantenbein9362]

England will not allow any of these members of the United Kingdom to ever again take a vote, now that the „but you would be out of the EU and we could block you ever getting in“ argument is dead. Way to risky for England as they could lose a vote in these territories. So no vote is going to happen.

[@ScottishRoss27]

@@peterpain6625 Divergent EU Referendum Result in Scotland and UK Scotsman Adam Smith is considered ''the father of modern capitalism'' An Economic Advantage is a position that allows a nation to outperform other nations in a particular market. Annual GDP/Economic Growth rate in 2022 Scotland 4,9% UK as a whole 4,1% Scotland + EU Market 452,4 million = 6 times larger market Brexitland's Market 67 million Scotland's Exports of Goods to the EU 2022 £21,6 Billion Up 47,6% 2016 £11,3 Billion Inward Investment Projects Attracted into Scotland 2022 126 Up 14% 2016 108 Innovation Centres New National Manufacturing Institute opened in Renfrew. New National Robotarium Innovation Centre opened in Edinburgh. New BioSciences Innovation Centre opened in Aberdeen. New Net Zero Innovation Centre opened in Aberdeen. New Green Hydrogen Innovation Centre opened in Inverness New Worlds First Rewilding Innovation Centre opened near Inverness. New Aerospace Innovation Centre opened in Ayr. New Rail Engineering Innovation Centre opened in Whitburn. New Construction Innovation Centre opened in Hamilton. New Precision Medicine Innovation Centre opened in Glasgow. New Digital Health Innovation Centre opened in Glasgow. New Medical Engineering Innovation Centre opened in Dundee. New Cyber Security Innovation Centre opened in Dundee. New Textile Innovation Centres opened in Hawick & Edinburgh. New International Barley Innovation Centre opened in Dundee. New Sustainable Aquaculture Innovation Centre opened in Stirling. New Dairy Innovation Centre opened in Dumfries. Bradford's Marshall Bakers collapsed in April 2023 Hull's Conquest of Bread Bakery collapsed in April 2023 Birmingham's Ten Four Bakery collapsed in April 2023 Bristol's Assembly Bakery collapsed in February 2023 3rd March Glasgow Bakery Morton Rolls collapsed . 17th March Glasgow's Morton Rolls brought back into business with support from Scottish Enterprise, an agency of ScotGov. a Grimsby Seafood Factory was left to close in 2022 a new Western Isles Seafood factory opened in 2022 a Lanarkshire Seafood Factory was saved in 2022 Doncaster Airport was left to close in 2022 Plymouth City Airport was left to close in 2011 Sheffield City Airport was left to close in 2008 Wick Airport was saved by ScotGov in 2021 Prestwick Airport was saved by ScotGov in 2013 Dundee Airport was saved by ScotGov in 2007 Fergusons Shipyard on the Clyde was saved by ScotGov in 2019 Bristol Abels Shipyard was left to close in 2016 Portsmouth Bae Shipyard was left to close in 2014 The Only Aluminium Smelter in England was left to close in 2012, Fort William Aluminium Smelter was saved by ScotGov in 2016 Redcar & Hartlepool Steel works were left to close in 2015, 2 Lanarkshire steel works were saved by ScotGov in 2016

[@user-ds8rj2vc4v]

Scotland and Northern Ireland are part of the UK. They're not going anywhere.

[@berserkirclaws107]

0:16 you can tell a lot by someone's shoes.

[@doemijmaarfriet]

Fully agree. Its so much more than a fashion statement. It is basically saying: I don't take this stuff serious, I'm here for my sport run.

[@kkhitzat]

Short answer: No. Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[@erf3176]

The UK is just gonna end up accepting a vast amount of EU policies w/o having a say in their making. That's it. That was the foregone conclusion to Brexit the moment it was pushed through. The rest is just details.

[@jimUK87]

And that will be a better situation than we have now, if it eases trade to the continent. I'm all for damage limitations. You've got a bunch of people here thinking that the UK expects to get back what it lost, which isn't going to happen, but any improvement in the situation from a UK perspective should be the aim and that is all Starmer is expecting.

[@MrsGardiner]

@@jimUK87 Starmer may be expecting this, but the British economy is of little concern to the EU. The EU is not tasked with making Britain's Brexit work well for Britain, on behalf of Britain. That's Britain's job. WA and TCA are done and that is all the EU needed to negotiate. Now it is up to Britain to make it work. Not keep coming back to the EU with demands to make Brexit work.

[@jimUK87]

​@@MrsGardinerThe UK is still a huge export market for individual EU countries though. Easing of trade friction will be of benefit to individual states, even if it's not a huge issue for the collective 27. I don't think it needs to be looked at, as the UK asking the EU to fix Brexit for them. It's more the UK asking if there is a mutually beneficial agreement to be made. There might not be, but diplomacy and trade didn't stop when we left the EU. It will always be an ongoing discussion when you consider EU countries exported £432bn worth of goods to the UK in 2022. The EU is always going to be in a stronger position in any negotiation, but the numbers involved are huge and I'm sure the EU would like to keep exporting vast sums to the UK, which won't happen if the UK economy can't afford to import goods. A pragmatic stance, with emotions removed, would suggest there is always room for negotiations.

[@MrsGardiner]

@@jimUK87 While this is true, it is only somewhat true. Because the need to trade, rather than the wish to trade, is not the same. The UK needs food imports and it would be hard to replace food from the EU. That direct ferry link to Morocco to replace EU food hasn't happened and neither could Morocco deliver all the fresh food that is needed, to bypass the EU. The UK has not implemented import checking for the fifth time, to avoid empty shelves. Actually in breach of WTO rules. The winter tomato crisis has shown who gets delivered last, if there is the slightest shortage. The EU has more opportunities to sell within its large single market, to sell where it is easy. Especially were the UK to implement WTO rules. In other words, making it easier to sell as is not of equal necessity and benefit, although there is an element of it as you say. This is why the approaches to renegotiate come from the UK and not from the EU. Whereas the EU is more engaged in protecting its single market, from goods with diversified standards. A trade barrier that a diversifying UK cannot easily negotiate away. It is positive that UK has now maintained the same electrical safety standards, but for example food is now produced with insecticides that are not permitted in EU. Fish products and water quality is another. With meat from UK trade deals that is not produced to EU standards on top. If diminished worker's rights are implemented following the bonfire of EU rules, this further undermines the 'level playing field' demand in the TCA. An exit from ECHR would really prevent any easing of trade barriers, The EU would need to protect its single market more, rather than ease restrictions. A clear difference in what is important to whom.

[@CatholicSatan]

The EU is willing for a _little_ renegotiation - but it ain't going to be a CU/SM-lite. The EU is thinking of 4 tiers with full EU at tier 1 and the UK at tier 4 with tier 4 being at a Free Trade Agreement level much like the EU has with a host of other countries and blocs. So, a bit of tweaking the TCA and no changes to the Windsor agreement.

[@MrsGardiner]

A bit of tweaking the i m p l e m e n t a t i o n of the TCA, rather than the TCA itself. It could even mean that because agriculture in Britain now can produce food cheaper, with pesticides that are not allowed in EU and without having regard to clean rivers, that there could even be extra tariffs for UK goods, because they are produced under lesser environmental standards than EU standards. Remember the demand for level playing fields in the TCA? The UK has diversified away from this and it will surely come up as a topic in the TCA review.

[@qsfrankfurt9513]

Will tier 4 include free movement of people across the UK and EU? That's needed first.

[@ab-ym3bf]

Who says the EU is willing for "a little renegotiation" ? So far all messages from the EU have been: there is only a review in 2025 about the implementation of the TCA. And no, the EU is not thinking about a 4 tier EU. A group of 12 people have written a document in that direction as part of the EU's orientation of how to deal with future expansion. Similar "x Tier EU" plans date back to at least 2013 and have never been heard from again. More grasping at straws from the english.

[@maartenaalsmeer]

The EU isn't 'thinking' anything, and it is not France and Germany pushing a plan for associate membership either. It is merely a study proposing the idea of associate membership. It is not a new idea, but a renewal of an older idea for a two-tier Europe, here transformed into four tiers. A proposal by a French-German think-tank, not EU policy.

[@ab-ym3bf]

@@maartenaalsmeer again UK clutching at straws in getting the bits they want by twisting reality. It's sad in a way, if life is too hard that you have to invent or twist stories all the time.

[@laurenceskinnerton73]

Possibly.

[@lorenzo410]

Just try to get in again or stay out of it already. The cards have been reshuffled more than enough for the UK. EU is tired of your bs

[@alanjewell9550]

I'm guessing the EU will simply say you either rejoin the Single Market & Customs Union, or get lost. And that would be the right approach. If you want to use the facilities, you join the club via the options available. The "exceptionalism" has to stop. I'm hoping once the Torids are out, the floodgates of demand rejoin the SM/CU will so strong Starmer will respond with offering a referendum as he will need an unequivocal mandate, & the EU will want to see one too. There's only one wsy for this sorry saga to end & that's the UK reintegrating with the EU. Starmer just has to get over the line at the next election & that means a softly softly approach so as not to stir things up unnecessarily with red wall brexit voters.

[@slavianalbanovich9025]

It will tell you more about their exceptionalism. The British want Europeans visiting the UK to pay the ETA on entry, but at the same time they want an asymmetric system whereby Britons should have free movement within the European Union. They probably won't get it, but I hope the EU at least puts a similar counter-tax on British visitors.

[@elrevesyelderecho]

TLDR: Leave the EU was a mistake since the first day the idea was suggested.

[@cloudy_xDD]

Exactly.

[@user-ds8rj2vc4v]

You're wrong. Leaving the EU wasn't a mistake or a good idea. It's the way in which it was handled that was a mistake. Leaving the EU would be fine. Remaining in the EU would be fine. The Tory government however screwed everything up though. That was the problem.

[@VaucluseVanguard]

No, he can’t.

[@atn5485]

'Brexit means Brexit' if UK want to come back there is a quoe

[@Kris_96]

Let's face it, most people want to rejoin as things are going to keep getting worse and worse as time goes on.

[@ab-ym3bf]

Doesn't really matter, it's the EU who decides.

[@robertjones2053]

Most people want to rejoin?? 😂😂😂 get out of that bubble mate. Where I live more people want to leave and we voted 63% leave anyways. 😅

[@rayc9539]

​@@robertjones20537 years later, do you think the margin would be the same?

[@robertjones2053]

@@rayc9539 yeah because I am politically and socially aware of who voted for what. You tend to find that remain supporters live in a bubble as most mainstream channels are pro remain because they are not staff by working class factory workers. You will also find that universities are bias to the left and remain but that's only 50% of the younger generation. You also find that pro brexit or remotely right wing comments are censored. I have been banned from Twitter (before musk) I was even banned from the daily mail!!

[@robertjones2053]

@@rayc9539 an example of bias a YouGov poll put remain at 11% ahead of Brexit. Well that was wrong. However they are at it again. 46% want another referendum vs 36% who don't, oh and remain win. When you read the small print. They asked less leave voters than remain voters. Which is stupid given more voted to leave. They weighted the survey to get the result they wanted. 🙈

[@westrim]

I think it's curious that some Conservatives are postponing environmental measures to differentiate from the Liberals, while the Liberals are adopting a Conservative economic policy to the disgust of their base.

[@Bertrum123]

Well the liberal turncoats learned a lot when they sold out to the torys .ed Davey was in the tory guv .to me there just waterd down torys

[@jimmyb79]

‘Move right’, on what policy? Both Tories and Labour are completely in the pocket of the WEF. Meaningful change is virtually impossible at this point.

[@brendancawley8404]

No

[@jensschroder8214]

This newspaper has ideas. Nobody in Europa thought about deporting refugees to England. But if the newspaper demands that, that's an interesting approach. The refugees could be accommodated in the newspaper's editorial office. Nobody should be able to say that the EU is not open to absurd demands from London.

[@lipostube]

Brjoining is Brjoining! 🤣

[@adamcunningham2511]

If it ever gets implemented then we will find out

[@rtsharlotte]

love the channel but confused with you constantly saying we've left Europe instead left the EU

[@trevorwiley5098]

One problem I forsee with this is market confidence. Unless the Conservatives soften their position on the EU (or get obliterated as a political entity 🙏) I dont see businesses being very confident and willing to invest in this new UK-EU relationship

[@yoshu4221]

Watching the UK go through the mental gymnastics of wanting to be in the EU without being in the EU is pretty hilarious. Let's hope these years of pain finally kill off the massive sense of entitlement it has when it thinks it can get everything it wants with nothing in return. Doesn't seem like they're there yet though. If the UK wants back in the EU it's not going to get the sweet deal it got when it joined the first time.

[@CARL_093]

it could be but for now its a maybe

[@MatthewJBD]

Pre-orders end 1st of October* not October 1st, you're British damn it :p

[@JS-pb2qf]

The problem is not that UK wants to renegotiate it is EU have no incentive to Renegotiate in the first place.

[@georgiewalker5826]

I think if the UK actually wants to accept the four freedoms I doubt there is any reason not to renegotiate

[@seamuspadraigsanders431]

Are you crazy, they face a mountain of debt that is piling up at the fastest rate in history, a double dip recession not seen since the great depression, and the UK is about to post a surplus 2028, the first annual surplus since the 90s 😅😅😅

[@dondoodat]

​@@seamuspadraigsanders431 Hehehehe. No.

[@seamuspadraigsanders431]

@@dondoodat EU go 💦 someone pass a tissue.

[@markwelch3564]

​​@@seamuspadraigsanders431all this economic success, yet our schools and hospitals are literally collapsing Something doesn't add up here

[@dindings]

Labour wants to distance itself from the tories while at the same time not being clear about how different. I suspect brexit is still loved by more people than polling suggests

[@johnp-h8896]

Starmer couldn’t reset his watch.

[@gudlisner501]

Redoing is not Britain decision, yes Britain may well decide that it wishes to rejoin but the outcome of that wish is in the hands of EU members and it only takes one country to veto the request.

[@danieledallolio1126]

The best thing for the EU is for the UK to stay out of the EU forever. Of course things can improve with targeted and limited agreements. In the past the UK has been allowed to do its own thing too many times, now it's over. Let us remember that Brexit means Brexit.

[@maxharbig1167]

The UK can do anything regarding its interactions with the EU that any other third country can. No less than them but no more either. In these organisations like Horizon the UK is and will be an Associate Member, just like a plethora of other third countries i.e. it has no say in policy. The UK may, perhaps, be able to mitigate some of the negative impacts of Brexit but that's about all. Then again, Boris Johnson's "oven ready deal", like the man himself, was pretty indigestible and, therefore, some "lumpy" bits might be made more "edible".

[@maxharbig1167]

@@Besthinktwice Unfortunately, there is something that people in the UK are either unaware of or seek to avoid thinking about. Probably, because they do not source EU MSM .Although the EU appeared, on the surface, to be calm and composed during the Brexit process there was a brief initial period when the UK's exit was perceived and feared as an existential threat to the union itself.That may not be voiced now, or was even much then, but it is still a stone in the shoe that gives a twinge now and then reminding the 27 of the danger avoided. Would it again run that type of risk by allowing the author of that danger to get too close again? I doubt it. The EU even if not necessarily happy with the TCA appears reasonably content with it as it stands and also with the UK's status as a third country.

[@rikstan15]

I find it kind of wild that the opposition leader is visiting all of these foreign capitals and leaders as if it is certain that he will be the next PM, now the chance of that is very high but it still feels very strange.

[@MrsGardiner]

Apparently this is not unusual for upcoming pms. To meet their counterparts and 'hit the ground running' after they get elected.

[@Arltratlo]

its even worse, he needs to talk to von der Leyen and i am sure she will tell him to bugger off!

[@roman648]

What theoretical outcome would be best for the UK? (Open to more) - CANZUK Federation - 51st state UK - Uk rejoining the EU - Isolationist/Neutral Switzerland style UK

[@cucumbalover4569]

The UK actually wanted to become the 55th state in Africa and join the AU that's why they wanted to leave Europe

[@SammyInnit]

Given that the majority polled would rejoin and Sunak has now reversed their 2030 initiatives on green, there's little left stopping Labour rinsing the tories in a GE.

[@peterpain6625]

I hope so. Will probably be a decade or two until the UK is even fit to be negotiated with though.

[@SammyInnit]

@peterpain6625 That said, dont underestimate Starmers ability to put his foot in his mouth.

[@Klamorr]

7:22 - “striking a deal to enable Tory musicians work in EU” - not sure if that would appeal to the EU 😂

[@Detector1977]

There will some minor tweaks improving things by a few % which will not be noticed by anyone. Nothing else can be done as the red lines are still there.

[@markwelch3564]

I think certain sectors could get wins that _they_ notice, like farmers and musicians It's true that it's not going to be an economic revolution though

[@Detector1977]

@@markwelch3564 Sure, but that is only a affecting a very limited number of people in very limted sectors. It won't even be a blimp on the radar...

[@markwelch3564]

@@Detector1977 this is the truth of it - if you rule out the Single Market, then you won't get the Single Market. Not even close 🙁

[@williamthompson4389]

I certainly do not believe so.

[@cjmhall]

Let's just take a moment to reflect on how powerless the public are in influencing policy here. Labour are likely to come to power whilst telling us almost nothing about what they plan to do about UK-EU relations, and won't face the voters again for another 5 years. Democracy in action, folks.

[@Sage3356]

Id avoid to taking britain back in just to send a message to the other countries: "fuck around and find out"

[@glitch4465]

Ugh, that's kinda why people voted leave in the first place.

[@Dreachon]

@@glitch4465 They voted because they were syupid, had no clue how the EU works, were all to happy to follow the lies of grifters like Farage or Johnson and the lists goes on.

[@nothereandthereanywhere]

@@glitch4465 What a silly comment!

[@glitch4465]

@@nothereandthereanywhere No it really isn't...people were long put off by the, whether it's true or not, somewhat opauge and intransigent nature of the EU.

[@glitch4465]

True...although I don't think Britain got any thing "wrong" per se. Well, perhaps the politicians who strongly believed that leaving would create a stronger, more deregulated economy, but I think much of the sentiment that drove leave was pent-up unease in British after the Second World War, which had become firmly interwoven in Britain's behaviour towards the EU as late as the 2010s. A remain vote wouldn't have changed that, it would have just set the scene for a further Brexit showdown in the early '20s - probably over the pandemic or Ukraine. Leaving at least, has finally closed the door on that particular strain of thought in the British psyche.@@Besthinktwice

[@AllisterSanchez]

UK people should just get rid of both the Tories and Labour. But then again, what can you expect from the people who got duped to vote for Brexit :D

[@GeorgeChernoff]

yea, we in EU dont really want UK here

[@FullaEels]

I do want the UK to return the EU but I don't see that happening for at least 2 decades to come, because of the attitudes in politics and the unwillingness to admit mistakes.

[@JohnnyJaxmusic]

I hope they can work it out.

[@psclark2416]

no

[@jabberwockytdi8901]

Since Starmer to date at at least seems determined not to upset the "anti-immigration" redwall voters - any changes to the Brexit deal Starmer can suggest are just fiddling around the edges. Since anything of real material advantage in fixing the damage of Brexit means free movement of people which for now remains a redline for Labour as well as the tories.

[@Castrax0]

Honestly the labor party or any other party will do better than the current government , it clear in every way that it failing especially with how instead of fixing the economy they are focusing on trivial matters that doesn't benefit the average Brits and their well being I don't think the new guys will make a huge difference but it will show that the ppl are in charge and their well being should be first priority not trivial matters that doesn't benefit the common person living within the UK .

[@ryacoli]

green party