Are We Witnessing the End of the Tories?

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With Sunak still polling poorly and significantly trailing Labour, current projections suggest the Tories could be decimated at the next election. So in this video, we'll take a look at how we could be witnessing the demise of the Tories as we know them.
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[@GarfaGarfGarf]

Rishi Sunak as the last Tory Prime Minister is literally the only way he'll be remembered.

[@asdasdasddgdgdfgdg]

He'll also be remembered for ethnic roots and his incredibly small and fragile stature🤣

[@donovanlocust1106]

​@@asdasdasddgdgdfgdgand being a rich boy

[@niccolorichter1488]

Nah , he is the first non white PM Thats forever

[@SocialDownclimber]

All this just makes Liz Truss' prime ministership an even more forgettable trivia topic.

[@occamraiser]

He should be remembered as the first sane PM since Johnson got into no. 10. It is sad for him that the crimes and general economic disaster that the tories visited upon the nation will not get the blame for their utter failure. They will blame the brown person, because that's who they are.

[@onenote6619]

My main concern is how much damage the Tories will do in their flailing before being dragged, kicking and screaming, into an actual election.

[@zaksharman]

@Person11068 LOL

[@LWQ15881]

@Person11068I highly doubt anything could be as worse as this. The past 13 years has been nothing but failure.

[@knightsnight5929]

@Person11068 How could anything be worse than this bunch of criminal, incompetent clowns?

[@notjustforhackers4252]

Damage can be reversed with political will. So make sure you don't vote for Labour either. That's if you want actual change of course.

[@2aph0d_b33blebr0x]

Blair. Nothing could be worse than that and he is pulling Starmers strings.@@LWQ15881

[@omarjaved9748]

The problem with the tories is they are in politics for selfish and ambitious reasons. Most of them are rich, privately educated careerists who enter politics for power and reputation. They see it as a game to be played with machinations that would make the romans raise their brows.

[@BongWeasle]

And Labour do it out of the kindness ?

[@bensear]

​@@BongWeasleit would be incredible naive to think that no labour MP's are in the game for reasons other than money and power. However, one only needs to look where conservatory party donations flow from, who the party members meet with on a regular basis and who benefits from policy making to see what the conservative party stands for. Average people will always suffer under Tory rule

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@BongWeasle no thats stupid labour just doesn’t have the sheer amount of them look at who the tories meet with and where the donations come from it’s pretty telling

[@--legion]

Don't be so naive. All politicians are ambitious. Politics is a game in itself.

[@ASMRDoodlez]

What I find interesting is that the left-wingers say that, but so do the conservatives who are switching to Reform UK. They see the Tories as a bunch of rich, out-of-touch globalists.

[@smallmj2886]

It happened here in Canada years ago. The Progressive Conservative government was so unpopular that they were reduced to 2 seats by the 1993 election. Part of this was the rise of the Reform Party which was more right wing and split the vote. The Reform Party (renamed the Canadian Alliance) eventually absorbed the PC's to become the new Conservative Party.

[@HShango]

Reminds me of the British Tories 🤔

[@afleming1118]

I was coming here to say that. The consequence of the fracturing was ultimately a farther right and more ideological party with more abrupt policy swings and polarization. Anyone celebrating the end of the Tories in the UK, should realize that it doesn’t necessarily mean labour forever and that it might mean putting people like Farage into power.

[@abiodunsulaiman2297]

​@@afleming1118I mean the canadian reform alliance never won an alliance until they ate up the PC so I doubt it.

[@Interitus1]

@@afleming1118 Interestingly Canada and the UK suffer from the same problems. There are large enough left leaning parties that are splitting up the Left vote. Greens and NDP in Canada and Greeens and Lib Dems in the UK. There is an irony that both countries have a majority left leaning populace, but because first past the post, it is never reflected as such.

[@silvershocknicktail6638]

Hmmmm, a far-right "Reform" party. Sounds.....familiar, doesn't it.

[@SpeculativeConjecture]

The ideal situation is that the party splits and therefore splits their votes

[@therealrobertbirchall]

Refom UK are doing a fine job of splitting the Conservative/Hard right vote.

[@joshdawson5850]

My parents are so right wing, that instead of pushing them to vote left, if actually convicted them to vote Reform… At least that’s 2 fewer votes Labour need to win my seat.

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

​@@joshdawson5850 Lmao, Labour went so far left that center seems right wing now? 😂 Right now the votes are slowly moving from the Tories to the Reform. The Tories may be in the way for a while, but Reform willl eventually gouvern.

[@HShango]

The reform party are the ones splitting that camp 👀

[@ASocialistTransGirl]

⁠@@Hardcore_RemixerNo, Labour went so far right that centre-left seems far-left.

[@Psyk60]

This is one reason why proportional representation would be a good idea. That way these two factions could split into separate parties. To gain power they're still going to have to work together in a coalition, but then the people get to decide which one is the senior party in that coalition. If the One Nation Conservatives get the most seats, then the Neo-Libs can't backstab their way into getting their choice of PM. If they want their leader to be PM they'd have to convince voters, not just members of one particular party.

[@CritLoren]

that'd be something poetic, getting the one thing the UK voting system needs, from the party least likely to have done it a few years ago just because it's the last potential way for them to stay in power after splitting up.

[@barbthegreat586]

Working together isn't what Tories are good at or interested in. It'd just mean the split of the party and they sacrificed Britain in Brexit for party 'unity'.

[@RedfishUK1964]

Could happen if the One Nation Tories think they have a better chance of being a part of a "Centerist" Coalition with Lib Dems and some elements of the current Labour Party; Socailly Liberal, but fiscally responsible* (*their possible words not mine)

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

Yeah. Governing with less than 50% of the votes is more of a joke than it is a democracy.

[@chuck1804]

That is a dream of democracy that sadly will never exist. It requires that either party cares principally about democracy and enacting the will of the people, rather than just winning "power" for a few years.

[@chrisf9377]

UK voters have the memory of goldfish. It's bizarre that people think that Labour will do any better. Conservatives enter power with strong mandate, they fail to deliver, people vote in Labour with a strong mandate, Labour fail to deliver, people in vote in Conservatives, rinse and repeat. The problem with our country is BOTH parties, not just the one currently in power.

[@OneTrueScotsman]

A genuine Labour party would be good for the UK. The problem is, there hasn't been a genuine Labour party for decades. At least not since Thatcher. And Starmer's even worse than Blair. He's a bigger fan of the Tories than the Tories themselves.

[@col4574]

Only proportional representation is truly democratic

[@climbernerd5995]

Reccomendation from a friend (well a random person on the internet who liked your comment): You should look up liquid democracy I think you'll find it interesting

[@teddypicker8799]

Agreed. It seems ridiculous to me the SNP have 75% of the seats and only 45% of the popular vote for example

[@Okram.31]

Imagine Sunak losing his own seat though.

[@johnburrows3385]

Yay .....one can dream

[@syhuhjk]

Very likely

[@Ned47628]

While it would be hugely satisfying I can't imagine him wanting hang around being a back bencher. He'll be off within a year anyway. So losing his seat would be no great hardship.

[@jonsmith5058]

@@Ned47628 Its more the statement of it, a sitting Prime Minister and Party Leader losing their own seat is the ultimate embarassment cause even if somehow the Tories won he’d still lose his job as PM.

[@Okram.31]

@Ned47628 He'll do a Nick Clegg and get a job stateside. I'm sure Mr Musk already has a job for him.

[@chrisamies2141]

I'm just concerned that a lot of people will vote because of immigration rather than issues such as investment in public services and infrastructure.

[@miat9039]

It easier to blame them

[@catladyfluff8423]

I agree. We have far too many brainless racists in this country. As seen from Brexit

[@lloroshastar6347]

Media mostly informs their thought process. That and some friend or old relative who complains about foreigners all the time. When you take the time to just experience what foreigners are like, that needless fear starts to disappear. Which is why the majority of people who are anti-immigration live in communities where there are no immigrants.

[@sanich0811]

Are you concerned that England should belong to the English people? Or do you think that the English people, with a competent social policy, will don't be able to increase their birth rate and train specialists for economic growth without the completely unnecessary “help” of migrants. How racist of you.

[@sanich0811]

It is much easier to gaslight those who do not want to be a “minority” in their own country or enjoy the “cultural diversity” of dirty streets and high crime rates.@@miat9039

[@mywestsussex5749]

I was a Tory voter for 50 years now I am going to do everything I can to vote them out

[@TheRealEnglishTeacher]

Reform UK!

[@user-lt7ff1tg9f]

Better late than never

[@dannyhalas9408]

Good man.

[@stevenhenry5267]

Hard pass on fascists.

[@ArielKaplan-rj9pw]

@@TheRealEnglishTeacher thats the US republ;ican party affiliated party dont vote

[@joshuahillerup4290]

I keep wondering if the next British election will look like the 1993 Canadian federal election, where the Tories here went from 169 seats to 54 seats, and then when they didn't even maintain official opposition status in the next election the party fell apart. You even had a right wing Reform party that ended up becoming the new Tories

[@TimmyTheTinman]

Technically they only won 2 seats with the Canadian Reform Party taking away a lot of right-wing votes and it looks like history is repeating itself with the British Reform Party making inroads

[@abiodunsulaiman2297]

Actually it was 2, reform was the one that got 54 seats.

[@joshuahillerup4290]

@@abiodunsulaiman2297 right, I screwed up my history. CPC got 2, Reform got 52, and the Bloq became the new official opposition. In modern UK terms, that would be like the SNP becoming the official opposition to Labour, and the Conservatives falling below all the other parties

[@oliverleonard7730]

The Canadian Conservative Party went down to 2 seats in 1993.

[@liamobrien6151]

1993 in Canada and the next 3 elections show precisely why breaking into two parties was a stupid idea that did nothing but hand elections to Conservatives' opponents.

[@outerheaven8797]

The UK does need a change. Too many years of Conservative policies, too many examples of not investing in anything or not investing enough. Just look at HS2

[@blackbaron0]

It will be interesting to see how Labour will handle HS2. i believe they have said they will deliver in full.

[@jod125]

They can't cause Ridhi sold the land off

[@seamuspadraigsanders431]

Conservative policies that Labour plan to keep. Bright ideas from our public.

[@maccagrabme]

@@blackbaron0 No it wont be interesting, it will be devastating just like every previous Labour government. They are far worse than even the Tories which is why we've had 13 years of this lot of trash. I waited 18 years to get a Labour gov last time (1997) and was quite positive for a couple of years until I realised how useless they were. Consider an independent or Reform as the 3 main parties are going to crush you.

[@aceman0000099]

They better nationalise the rail

[@SmugLookingBarrel]

The funniest result of this would be for Sunak to switch the system away from first past the post and towards proportional representation right before the election so the tories can fracture and still hold onto power.

[@Thought_Processing_]

Proportional Representation would lock the Tories out of power basically forever. I think they have only won the popular vote once since WW2, so splitting into multiple parties would mean that even collectively the can’t gain power except in coalition likely with the Lib Dem’s and at that point they would have to shift to the left. Same thing would happen to Labour but the left wing vote is already split between several parties so it would affect them less.

[@ThePereubu1710]

Nice idea but there genuinely isn't enough parliamentary time left to do this.

[@James-mb3je]

It'd be best to run a GE on the promise of PR

[@iapetusmccool]

​@Thought_Processing_ in the last hundred years, the Tories have only once got a majority of votes cast once, back in the 1930s. That's one more time than anyone else though. I think the best argument for PR is that no party has majority support, but FPTP means that the largest minority usually gets effectively absolute power. I would expect that under PR the Conservatives (or whoever replaces them) would still win elections, but without an absolute majority they wouldn't be able to push through their most unpopular policies. And ditto for Labour whenever they win.

[@Thought_Processing_]

@@iapetusmccool my greater point was that there are more left wing votes than right wing votes it’s just that the right only has one party to vote for whereas the left gets split. Consequently any potential Tory (or right wing coalition) would need at least some centre left support to form a government. But you are correct about everything you said.

[@burtcocain1986]

I want Sunak to cry on national TV. I want the loss to be that devastating.

[@seamuspadraigsanders431]

Your Labour tears are more valuable, say goodbye to Britain.

[@NataliePine]

That would require him to be capable of shame

[@cshairydude]

He'd need to have an emotion chip installed first.

[@MostlyPennyCat]

And then we can sing "things can only get better" to him

[@amk2321]

He knows it’s coming and he doesn’t care. He will take his billions and whatever more money he made and move to the US.

[@tomgraham3206]

I disagree profoundly that under Cameron the party shifted to the 'one nation centre'. They went further with austerity than Thatcher in her wildest dreams would have gone. Yes they were a bit more socially liberal on some things, but they were very right wing on economics and had no regard at all for the social fabric. Cameron was a PR man, and he was clearly very good at that as he still gets portrayed as a one nation Tory. Theresa May was actually closer to a one nation Tory in her outlook, but she was really preoccupied by Brexit negotiations.

[@seamuspadraigsanders431]

Labour also planned austerity under Darling, little to much focus on has beens not what's going to be.

[@Squaretable22]

honestly even Boris was more one-nation at his core than Dave. Yes there was a very nationalist coating of things but he wasnt a small state-ist

[@tomgraham3206]

@@Squaretable22 agree

[@jackrainbow560]

Like most halfwits with a big mouth, TLDR have no idea what he's talking about. This so called Tory party is not actually Tory. We have not had a TORY Tory party in Parliament for a long long time. What we actually have is a GLOBAL SOCIALIST (GLAZI) party. The Sunak thing is a GLOBAL SOCIALIST (GLAZI) and, so is the Cameron thing. Global Socialism is like Nazism, except its GLOBAL rather than NATIONAL and it works toward a GLOBAL Fuhrer. If you bother to actually research the issue, you will find thta the Sunak thing is a member of the WEF and it reports to the current Fuhrer, Klaus Schwab. Reform is actually our only TORY Tory party, see.

[@SpannerWorks]

'Are We Witnessing the End of the Tories?' Stop. I can only get so hard.

[@Idk-ys7rt]

😂

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

Man lost NNN to UK election statistics 💀

[@Aerostarm]

Relatable

[@ayadhyist]

What? 😭

[@squirrelarch]

The UK public has had to pay the price for factionalism in the Conservative party for quite some time. I doubt we'll ever be entirely free of their damaging influence largely because any opposition doesn't offer anything radically different so this kind of bats*** crazy distortion of democracy may be with us for a very long time. In my 'umble opinion of course.

[@davidmcculloch8490]

I agree. It's all we are allowed by the most powerful string-pullers. The price of power is selling your soul.

[@markshirley01]

I hope we get proportional representation, our politics are all about headlines and not what is actually good for the UK.

[@theyeening]

UK's opposition did once offer a radical alternative - Corbyn. But y'all have missed it, so eat your troubles or however the saying goes.

[@jesush.tap-dancingchrist7328]

​@@theyeeningUK has only ever had one truly socialist majority government - Mr Attlee's - and, despite all they achieved, it still isn't revered by the public in anywhere near the same way Churchill or Thatcher are.

[@mori1bund]

The UK public elected those morons for more than a decade.

[@sashasscribbles]

Gosh I hope Starmer actually does something useful with his supermajority should he get it. Fingers crossed that we can push him into giving us proportional representation, but if labour does get that many seats its a long shot...

[@livingangrycheese2668]

Yeah no I highly doubt he would implement any form of PR

[@Queinty]

I would love him to be that guy. Knowing it would be the end of two-party politics as we know it, but making YOUR MP worth the value of your vote. And proper discussions in Parliament. It's not messy, it'll get shit done.

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

Labour has no more interest in PR than the Tories.

[@vmoses1979]

Expecting Starmer to stand for anything or even do anything is pure folly. He was described accurately as a shiver in search of a spine.

[@OneTrueScotsman]

Starmer's basically the new David Cameron. I'm expecting no difference between the last 13 years and the next 5 or 10, if he wins.

[@politicssocialuk]

Can't wait!! Great content as always.

[@maccagrabme]

You will be dissapointed under a Labour government, they are hopeless. Consider an independent or Reform if you value your sanity.

[@jimmyandrews3963]

I bloody hope so. The problem is that, depending on how much of a state they leave the country in, assuming labour gets in, it may take them way more than a full term to try and fix the country. Trying to undo 13 years of austerity and driving this country into ruin it’s not going to be fixed within a few months, and given how the Tories are in Scotland they will be quick to point out anything labour doesn’t do overnight.

[@HyperScorpio8688]

Oh don't worry 6 months of crazed spending will drive the UK into the ground way more than 13 years of austerity. Just ask any EU member in a debt crisis (or the US, or China)

[@blablup1214]

Here in Germany. The governemnt isn't that great at this moment to say the least. But beeing fair as I see the same problem. Our government ( especially the greens ) get blamed for a lot of stuff since not even 3 month in office. They even get blamed for things that got decided 10 or 15 years ago ( as they weren't in office ) 🤣

[@sueyourself5413]

Why would anyone care what the Scottish tories or even Scottish Labour have to say?

[@archvaldor]

"The problem is that, depending on how much of a state they leave the country in, assuming labour gets in, it may take them way more than a full term to try and fix the country. " Sounds like an apology in advance for a party copying Tory policies achieving nothing.

[@bbbf09]

@@HyperScorpio8688 The last Labour gov was way more fiscally sound than the last 13 years. It's a nice old right wing trope to try and scare electorate on financial acumen of Labour but your 'analysis' has zero merit and is just that - *old*, tired, false.

[@potato_nugget]

Won't happen in a country with a two party system. If the tories fall, reform UK will just be the new tories. 2 parties are never enough to satisfy all political views, both for politicians and members, but the only way to win elections is to form these big tent parties that include multiple ideologies. A lot of people say the first past the post system is good because it prevents infighting between coalitions and things not getting done like what happens sometimes in proportional representation, but in reality, it causes a permanent state of coalition

[@Calimbandil87]

It happened to the Liberal party in the 1920s. Their place was usurped not by another liberal party with a different name but with the social democratic Labour.

[@user-sd3ik9rt6d]

The Tory party, you are talking about the right as a whole.

[@politicoacademia]

Here in Canada back in 1993, the Conservatives only won 2 seats because the Reform Party split the right wing vote. For 12 years the Tories and Reform struggled to defeat the Liberals until in 2003 when the Reform Party decided to form a new Conservative Party with the Tories. From a Canadian perspective the situation of the British Tories feels oddly familiar.

[@Goatcha_M]

There is also the Scottish National Party, the Greens, Reform UK and a bunch of others. AT present the UK is actually a 3 party system with the Scots having so many seats, but they are also likely to lose a ton next election. As Labour continues to shift to the Right and the environment continues to fall apart, long term I see the two major parties being Labour and the Greens. Unless the Greens are as bad in the UK as the Australian ones who aren't interested so much in governing as in pushing marijuana and Extreme Left Wing philosophies.

[@tophatowl6724]

Ever heard of the Whig party? No because they faultered at a similar issue the tories are facing right now. They had 16 prime ministers, 10 more than the current labour party. So to suggest "no this cant happen in the UK" is straight up wrong because it already happened.

[@Manu-Official]

Sunak at PMQ's: Labour: ''Sunak has failed at this and that this week'' Sunak: ''Yeah but look at Corbyn 10 years ago look''

[@a.demifemiflapo5795]

Labour "Look what Sunak did this morning!" Sunak "James Callaghan did it first!... In 1978..."

[@user-id3xd1nx1m]

Tories are done for, no doubt.

[@user-id3xd1nx1m]

@@seang2700 Oooo noooo Sean, I don't give what little I have to bookies, that would be stupid. Can't wait to see all you tories getting your knickers in a twist when it all falls apart for you!!!! It will be very satisfying for non-tories

[@freakishuproar1168]

I'm thirty-six, and I've spent the entirety of the voting age portion of my life watching my fellow Brits (and by Brits I largely mean my fellow English) constantly voting for the worst possible people and ideas. If the Tories _somehow_ win the next election, then there is genuinely no hope for England. Perhaps Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland can navigate their way out of the nightmarishly retarded demise of late stage Anglobongerism, but I've yet to be convinced that my country can do anything right. If the Tories stay in power despite how objectively awful they are, then we English will deserve everything that happens to our country.

[@HyperScorpio8688]

By spending money the UK never had?

[@paulgibbon5991]

@@mattyward1979 You know, if you asked the north of England, a big chunk of it would probably vote to become part of a Greater Scotland. Just sayin'.

[@catladyfluff8423]

If the Tories get in I think we will look to move out. My husband is half Scottish and they will probably leave UK soon if that happens.

[@md.showvon5144]

​@@catladyfluff8423Is there any chance Scotland independence referendum held again?

[@DadPun]

​@@paulgibbon5991if you refer to yourself as a jock, you aren't remotely Scottish 😂 Most Scots haven't even heard of that English term

[@Steviebond2]

If it really is the end for them, then it could be similar to what happened to the Liberals after 1918, they had to stay in the wilderness for decades until the late 90s. Imagine the Tories going down the same way as they did, there'd be no chance of an early comeback.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

Nature abhors a vacuum. Some thing else will grow up to fill the space, let's hope its not another monster like the current tory party.

[@LfrJacc]

It's very easy to seem like a good party when all you do is criticize, 1 or 2 terms of Labour and a more right with Tory party will be back in power

[@maxpowerii7368]

even then the Liberal Party never came back. It had to merge with the Social Democrats to create the Lib Dems. The original party that refused to merge with rest of liberals is now a minor party called Liberal Party UK. That is the future for Tory Party i imagine now….an eccentric minor party which will never again influence UK politics.

[@maccagrabme]

No loss, they are fakes. Reform for me.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

Vote Green

[@SSNewberry]

"Nothing bad comes to an end until something infinitely more hideous is there to replace it."

[@3d1e00]

The AI safety summit was sunak handing out his CV. Was worthless and just shows that sunak has given up completely.

[@exiousgb7757]

Labour handed Tories a letter in 2010 saying we have no money left. You want those guys to run our government are you kidding? Tories are the only thing keeping the country out of recession. Labour couldn't manage that in 2009 lol

[@bob23301]

Hopefully England at last follow Scotland who have not voted the tories into power for over 70 years.

[@AnnePhillips-kj4kq]

Never trust a TORY.

[@James-mb3je]

Your tories wear kilts made out of the Saltaire

[@someguy4405]

Hamza Yousaf is as much of a disgrace as Rishi Sunak.

[@bob23301]

@@AnnePhillips-kj4kq You can't spell conservative without a con. ;)

[@MikeAG333]

Oh, I see, you're in favour of one party rule. Right. That's called communism.

[@gabedarrett1301]

Finally, some good news!

[@herbivorethecarnivore8447]

I love that you think the party collapsing somehow means all conservative views in the UK will just fade into the aether somehow

[@MikeAG333]

So, you want 40+% of the population to be permanently unrepresented, right?

[@doom8082]

@@herbivorethecarnivore8447 No. it just means their power is diminished between a bunch of rabid warring micro-parties.

[@christmascactus1882]

This also nearly happened to Labour when the breakaway Social Democratic Party, which then teamed up with Liberals, gained roughly as many votes as Labour itself at the first following election. The distribution of the vote was such that Labour won far more consituencies and was back in shape the next election, but had the geographical voter distribution been slightly different we might have seen a realignment.

[@dougfowler1368]

As an American, I've followed all this through Marsh Family parodies - likely how this came in my suggestions. I must say it's entertaining and shows how crazy the whole world is in what seems to be the End Times. The parodies have been fabulous:-)

[@wiktor.]

Can’t we get an electoral reform now

[@joel425]

not if you vote labour they love fptp as much as the tories do keeps 3rd parties in check.

[@dannyarcher6370]

You can. By voting Reform. It's literally in the name.

[@VolKNo0]

Reform UK = Tories. Both right wing

[@metalthrashingmatt]

​@@dannyarcher6370reform is one big con..just like the Brexit party turned out to be.

[@squirrelarch]

It would be great but we rejected the AV vote (crap option as it was) so i suspect that's another of those "once in a generation" type referendum unless parties start splitting into factions and then it would be in their interest to push for real electoral reform.

[@samwilsamwil-pr6so]

We can only hope

[@maccagrabme]

If you are voting Labour you might as well forget any hope.

[@melgrant7404]

​@@maccagrabmequite the opposite.

[@Crytaljam]

Insert Hawkeye: "Don't do that. Don't give me hope."

[@JoelTehMole]

Honestly, the tories losing isnt because of vague and abstract things like "infighting" or "settling scores". Its because our lives are shit. The economy is shit. Freedoms are disappearing. And the tories have only made it worse during their 13 years in charge.

[@jhca4671]

We do have to remember that politics might seem like a short-term thing given its intensity, we also have to remember its ever-changing nature. Just remember Boris Johnson had one of the biggest election victories in history just back in 2019, only a few years back! While the next little election seems going to be a certain defeat for the Tories, saying this’d be an end of the party it’s just an overstatement, or a premature one at least.

[@squirrelarch]

The electorate can be quite partial to X-Factor "personality" style voting hence Boris (and his "get Brexit done" waffle) so, who knows? Once Farage stops munching on Kangaroo bits in the jungle and emerges as maybe the public favourite (heaven help us) then maybe the Tories will be desperate enough to re-admit him as party leader and all bets will be off. Considering the stuff that's happened over the last few years almost anything is possible.

[@wolfen210959]

I would say that the Conservative party in it's current form is coming to an end. The extreme right wingers in the party have been given too much say, due to weak leaders, and this has led to the alienation of voters. Bojo, the lettuce, and Rishi have all bowed to pressure from the loonies, in an attempt to keep the Conservative party intact, David Cameron was the PM who began the rot, he bowed to pressure from the loonies to hold a referendum, when it clearly wasn't needed, as the majority of the public were in favour of the EU, until the Tory media and MPs' themselves began the "big lies" strategy.

[@fitzstv8506]

I would suggest that you would have to try very hard to find any Government worldwide that has fallen so far out of favour with the electorate in such a short period. The Conservatives have torn themselves apart because of extremism, populism, scandal, underachievement, bad leadership and dishonesty both domestically and internationally.

[@mrvwbug4423]

@@wolfen210959 The irony is billionaire class conservatives like Sunak, now trying to save the west from the neo-fascist monster they created. The ultra-rich paid for the media attention that hyped up the far-right and gave the UK Brexit and the US Trump. The billionaire class wanted authoritarian fascism because it would make them even richer, or so they thought, except populists always eat the rich, regardless of which side of the political spectrum they're on.

[@LinkoofHyrule]

@@wolfen210959 'erw conservatives' haven't held a stint in power since cameron got in. ESG etc. have been occupying backbench positions, the furthest a 'ERW' candidate got was Badenoch. cons have been economically left wing since cameron got in. boris was one-nation tory, as was the rest of the group. sunak billed himself on being more of a centrist, but now has appointed cameron and shown where his true colours lie. the one right-of-centre leader, truss, went about her economic recovery plan the wrong way (however has been proven correct in her thinking if you look at current BOE modelling)

[@zaksharman]

Short answer is yes. Long answer is YYYYYEEEEEESSSSSS

[@MikeAG333]

Short response is....Grow UP.

[@zaksharman]

@@MikeAG333 Hi conservative LOL

[@lets_architecture]

Music to my ears!

[@arthurdowney2846]

Absolutely fascinating to see this trend all over the world.

[@theshadowdirector]

This helped to start my day in a good mood!

[@xurtis]

The phrase ‘1-nation centrist’ is an oxymoron to Australian ears

[@iapetusmccool]

I'm not familiar with Australian politics. Why would that be an oxymoron?

[@MikeAG333]

@@iapetusmccool Do yourself a favour and NEVER familiarise yourself with Australian politics. It's beyond awful. It is the most obnoxious and childish gathering of loud-mouths you'll find anywhere on the planet. I was going to make a joke centred on the moron part of oxymoron, but........

[@maverick114e9]

@@iapetusmccoolThere’s a party in Australia called “One Nation” they are a third party thats bit right wing.

[@THTB_lol]

@@maverick114e9 ah, are you talking about the really shit party

[@unknownsoldier007]

@@maverick114e9think they’re a bit more than a ‘bit’ right wing 😂

[@chrisbeynon8700]

Trending! Congratulations 🎉

[@MazzaEliLi7406]

Thank you.

[@Timeyy]

The ride never ends

[@WhichDoctor1]

with soo many tory mps looking at the prospect of no longer being an mp next year the party has a lot less leverage over them. What do they have to lose by infighting when pulling together means them losing it all anyway/

[@LordOtorai]

Great video and insightful analysis of the current state of the Conservative Party! The exploration of the issues like factionalism, leadership challenges, and the potential electoral impact offers a decent understanding of UK politics. From an Irish political perspective, there are some intriguing potential benefits to a weakened Tory party. A weakened Tory party could lead to a more conciliatory approach towards Ireland, especially regarding the Northern Ireland Protocol and Brexit negotiations. This could foster better diplomatic relations and smoother cooperation on trade and border issues. Just a friendly observation: while the emphasis on factionalism and the party's challenges in the polls is crucial, it seemed a bit repetitive in places.

[@jackrainbow560]

Like most halfwits with a big mouth, TLDR have no idea what he's talking about. This so called Tory party is not actually Tory. We have not had a TORY Tory party in Parliament for a long long time. What we actually have is a GLOBAL SOCIALIST (GLAZI) party. The Sunak thing is a GLOBAL SOCIALIST (GLAZI) and, so is the Cameron thing. Global Socialism is like Nazism, except its GLOBAL rather than NATIONAL and it works toward a GLOBAL Fuhrer. If you bother to actually research the issue, you will find that the Sunak thing is a member of the WEF and it reports to the current Fuhrer, Klaus Schwab. Reform is actually our only TORY Tory party, see.

[@colinnewmarch1106]

If you vote same old you get same old, Sunak couldn't arrange a day out, a complete change is needed and that's not Labour

[@monkeyboy8424]

It's my experience that Rishi Sunak is a liar and cannot be trusted about; "Government integrity, professionalism and accountability at every level", 25/10/22 outside number 10.

[@harrybacon419]

I certainly hope so

[@wysslukas]

Are there any political discussions to abolish this barely-democratic 1-MP-per-constituency/ winner-takes-it-all system in Britain?

[@09philj]

The Greens, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid, and Labour membership are in favour of reform, the Labour leadership and Tories are opposed

[@mertus5589]

Over the past years, incumbent governments have consistently overperformed polls whether left-wing or right-wing including Bolsonaro, Sanchez, Erdogan, Trump, Orban and even Massa in Argentina, so Tories indeed seem likely to lose but the gigantic swings seem unlikely to me.

[@Jan-lb2sf]

I sincerely hope so 🤞

[@politicoacademia]

As a Canadian who’s been following British politics for a long time, this feels similar to what happened in Canada back in 1993. The Canadian Conservatives suffered so badly they won only 2 seats due to a vote split from the Reform Party, which was created due to dissatisfaction of the centrist Tory government at the time. For 12 years the Tories and Reform struggled to defeat the governing Liberal Party until in 2003 they decided to create the new Conservative Party of Canada. Nowadays the Red Tories and Blue Tories accept to coexist and govern as one united Conservative Party. Right now in Canada the Tories and leading well above the Liberals and the NDP (similar to your Labour Party). They’re even leading among young voters. I consider myself a Tory conservative and it’s a shame to see Britain in such a deplorable state and to see the UK Conservatives ruin their reputation so badly.

[@GenerationZ313]

As a fellow Canadian I agree that this is similar to what what happened to the centre-right. I believe that should the party split then Conservatives are probably going to have to wait an entire generation before they can get re-elected. They may end up forming a new party serving as a merger between the present day Conservatives and Reform UK.

[@SilverMKI]

The UK conservatives had a reputation to ruin?

[@alizaidi2893]

PP will lose the majority of his support within a year. The guy is just as unpopular as JT

[@jaydenvancanne9981]

Imagine outwardly considering yourself a Conservative. Disgusting.

[@chuck1804]

That's because we both suffer the same stupid electoral model and rules. The game is rigged.

[@JoelTehMole]

If its an "absolute monarchy" then how can they boot it he head of the party out every two weeks?

[@4RILDIGITAL]

Certainly an interesting analysis. It's clear the Tory party is facing fierce challenges, brought to light by your arguments. Despite the internal struggles, one must remember the resilience of established political parties. Realignment and regeneration can occur post-electoral defeats, although undoubtedly painful. As citizens, our hope must hinge on eventual unity and strong leadership, regardless of party affiliations, because it's the nation's progress that truly matters. Great job outlining the situation, keep up the good work!

[@jackrainbow560]

You sound like a socialist. Like most halfwits with a big mouth, TLDR have no idea what he's talking about. This so called Tory party is not actually Tory. We have not had a TORY Tory party in Parliament for a long long time. What we actually have is a GLOBAL SOCIALIST (GLAZI) party. The Sunak thing is a GLOBAL SOCIALIST (GLAZI) and, so is the Cameron thing. Global Socialism is like Nazism, except its GLOBAL rather than NATIONAL and it works toward a GLOBAL Fuhrer. If you bother to actually research the issue, you will find that the Sunak thing is a member of the WEF and it reports to the current Fuhrer, Klaus Schwab. Reform is actually our only TORY Tory party, see.

[@petermizon4344]

IN OVER A CENTURY TORIES HAVE NEVER CHANGED, THEY ALWAYS SAY LESSONS MUST BE LEARNED FROM THEM LOSING, BUT WHAT THEY MEAN IS LESSONS OF HOW TO KEEP CONNING THE PUBLIC INTO VOTING AGAINST THEIR OWN INTEREST, EVER SINCE PETERLOO THEY NOT CHANGED ONE BIT, FROM THE CAVALRY CUTTING DOWN DEFENCLESS PEACEFUL PROTESTERS TO THEM TAKING TENTS AWAY FROM HOMELESS, IF THEY COULD THEY WOULD SET FIRE TO THE TENTS

[@fateenshareef8716]

Bit premature to predict it's demise. After the chips have fallen at the next election , depending on which faction hold the majority of the MP's, will be able to squeeze the other out. But either way, something tells me that the days of the broad church party are over.

[@thedirty530]

Its time for things to change!

[@George-hs2zm]

Theyre imploding faster than that titanic sub.

[@stateofdreaming]

The British pride themselves on political stability and precisely that homogenous political "stability" is what's making people disappointed at the lack of choices. In all major European countries (Germany, France, Spain, Italy) there are a lot of different parties who (sans France) have joined in coalition to make a government, best reflecting the actual diversity in a modern 21st century society. The UK (much like the US) is doomed to be choosing between one or the other forever unless something actually changes.

[@CharltonCharles]

I certainly wouldn’t jump to that conclusion. We shall have to see the results of the general election first, if the Tories can somehow prevent a big blowout they then have every chance to rebuild for the following one. Also the Tory party are like a 3 headed monster, they are able to regrow and shape themselves whenever necessary. It is always victory over ideology.

[@nopants3560]

No chance , keep dreaming

[@isaacdalziel5772]

It hasn't been recently for them

[@edoardoturco8780]

@Person11068 There are more chances that the Liberal Tories could start to vote for the Lib-Dems again after a century.

[@MikeAG333]

@Person11068 Who on earth told you that? It's sheer nonsense. Can you point to any breakaway from the Tories ever?

[@MikeAG333]

@Person11068 Who told you that? No-one who was alive when Thatcher vs Heath was happening would ever say what you just said. If you weren't alive then, you certainly weren't alive when the Tories tried to deal with Hitler. Your comment, I'm afraid, is sheer twaddle.

[@DaveB432]

We can only hope!

[@FelixstoweFoamForge]

We can only bloody hope....

[@mushroomking19]

So long Tories, don't let the door hit you on the way out

[@Lingo1797]

Seems to me that we're witnessing something pretty similar to what happened in the 50s and 60s. The Tories had a hugely dominant stretch from the beginning of the 50s under Winston Churchill up until 1964, with the end of Harold Macmillan's term. Sure they had Alec Douglas Home in between Macmillan and Labour's Harold Wilson, but he didn't last much longer than Truss. I wonder if this is a pattern for the Tories?

[@piraterubberduck6056]

Tory ideals are unsustainable. If they hold power too long they break too much and people turn against them.

[@lloroshastar6347]

I think the premise that history repeats itself doesn't have as much truth to it as people claim. We don't know how this is going to progress, but as Climate change becomes more and more real and less easy for people to just ignore, the world of the future will be very different to the world we have lived in before. Things are going to get scary.

[@ianworley8169]

What on Earth are you on about? Wilson was PM twice, from 1964 to 1970 and again from 74-76, when he was replaced by another Labour PM, Callaghan, until 1979. How on Earth can you compare Wilson, or for that matter any other Labour PM's term in office to Truss, who's term famously lasted less than a lettuce in a fridge.

[@covfefe1787]

@@lloroshastar6347 WHO THE FUCK CARES THATS SOME BILLIONAIRES FANCY THE WORKING CLASS CARE ABOUT PAYCHECKS NOT SOME DAMN GLACIER GALAXIES AWAY.

[@Lingo1797]

@@ianworley8169 ADH was the one who didn't last long, not Wilson. Apologies - I didn't write that clearly enough!

[@drago1943]

Sunk problem is he doesn't try and fix anything the public cares about and why because that would take some effort and earn his family no money.

[@Quessir]

That's a nice thought.

[@Ttom966]

It’s gone too far now. The tories need to somehow rebrand

[@toyotaprius79]

Surface level change, that's on brand for them

[@rtadpp]

Toris have started to play the sensible game. These polls mean nothing 😂. Voters will choose the best option they feel during the election time. Things and opinion changes too fast now a days.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

We stand for Tory women's history: - Thatcher broke Britain - Truss broke the Party

[@federicoprice2687]

Excellent update, as ever! Thanks TLDR 👏 👏 👏

[@carlosgomes2783]

You can't write the Tories off when they can get an 80-seat majority with 34% of the vote. The constituency boundaries of my home town Carlisle (traditionally a red island in a sea of blue) will change at the next election to include more rural (traditionally Tory) voters. And that's without considering an unelected House of Lords stuffed with the likes of Lebedev, Mone and Charlotte Owen.

[@Queinty]

I dislike your comment, but only because I am in full agreement with you, your points on voter apathy, suit-you-mr-tory boundary changes and the fucking house of fucking lords drive me up the wall

[@loganiushere]

I’m an American, and yet I keep up with most TLDR UK political coverage.

[@MichaelSmith-ns8ow]

My thought’s that the Conservative Party’s going to lose between 150 to 170 seat’s. The actual Conservative Party’s….got nothing….NHS, cost of living, Brexit , the rest of the list. All Sunak’s pitch is: Bring down inflation: this solves nothing! Stop the boats! This solution doesn’t cut immigration or even address it. Don’t know what to say to sum up. Step aside Prime-minister sod off back to America.

[@HA05GER]

People don't realise that stopping the boats only stops illegal immigrants. Legal immigration is still very high so really they achieve nothing.

[@shaneD7378]

We can only hope so

[@CARL_093]

i think so

[@williamphelps8550]

People were saying the same about labour in the early 90’s. Without a serious successor party that at least PARTLY aligns with the conservative platform (meaning the LibDems can’t be considered at this time), the two party nightmare won’t fall.

[@murphy7801]

Idk I went to look hellhole of gbnews. The comments were wild. There all saying need to vote for someone else.

[@markwelch3564]

The LibDems are close to One Nation Tories on the economy, so you'd think One Nationers could find a new home there However, I've had chats to One Nationers about this, and they're really attached to the history of the party. They want to save the Conservative reputation, but I suspect it's far too late for them to do so. The party John Major tried to recreate is long gone

[@MikeAG333]

@@murphy7801 You win the prize for the worst attempt at English on KZbin today.

[@indefatigable8193]

I mean for now, sure. As Norman Lamont once said in a British Droopy the dog accent… “This has been a very turbulent day”

[@ace_reject]

We can only hope 🙏🏼

[@fsk87]

Its appalling to see how careless these rich governments and its even annoying to watch them preach. If the UK don’t wake up now. Know that this country is done. And please change the king. Get someone who has a saying against the odds and not deliver sleepy speeches, not someone who waited all life to just wear the crown and snore.

[@pablodelnorte9746]

We can't change the king. He rules until he abdicates or dies. That's monarchy. Are you from a republic?

[@fsk87]

@@pablodelnorte9746 No Sir, Im not republican and i do understand how the monarchy works. Im just too annoyed for everything that is happening. Hence the frustration.

[@000Dragon50000]

I think the most accurate thing for that little animation of the right wing UK political spectrum you showed would be Labour infringing on the centre, (because they've lost a LOT of their pro-worker and socially progressive clout in favour of this centrist nonsense) a bunch of small far right parties fragmenting the right end of it, and the Tories with only about half of the UK's right.

[@covfefe1787]

Labour are far from being centrist Starmer is very much Center left just like Scholz of Germanys SDP who is center left. you just want a socialist like the hack Jeremy Conbyn back right? Labour are very much Center left.

[@J_bixby]

We can only hope.

[@joshuasims5421]

As a viewer from the US, I’m curious to know more about the platforms of the factions within the Tories. Any chance you could do a UK political review video? I’m reading about the one-nation Tories and honestly they sound a lot like the US Democratic Party.

[@TimmyTheTinman]

The Democrats according to British/European standards are another form of conservative

[@MikeAG333]

The right wing of the Conservative party is about aligned with the Democrats in the US. The centrists and one nation Tories are like the left wing of the Democratic party. Labour is to the left of anything they have in the USA. Bernie Sanders would be a right winger in the Labour party, at best. There is no-one in British politics as stupidly right wing as the hard-liners in the Republican party.

[@OneTrueScotsman]

"the one-nation Tories and honestly they sound a lot like the US Democratic Party." A pretty accurate comparison.

[@ragerancher]

The right wing vote being split between the Tories and Reform is probably the best thing that could happen to this country. Too often the left wing vote has been split, with people frustrated with Labour jumping ship to Green, Lib Dem or SNP. The right wing tend to stick with Tory which means that, despite left wing parties collectively getting the most votes in EVERY election for the last 30 years, more than half that time we have had right wing Tory government. The right wing vote needs to be split in the same way the left wing one does.

[@jamesthomas4841]

We need PR

[@ragerancher]

@@jamesthomas4841 That would be preferable but I feel even less likely than the Tories splitting.

[@jackrainbow560]

Like most halfwits with a big mouth, TLDR have no idea what he's talking about. This so called Tory party is not actually Tory. We have not had a TORY Tory party in Parliament for a long long time. What we actually have is a GLOBAL SOCIALIST (GLAZI) party. The Sunak thing is a GLOBAL SOCIALIST (GLAZI) and, so is the Cameron thing. Global Socialism is like Nazism, except its GLOBAL rather than NATIONAL and it works toward a GLOBAL Fuhrer. If you bother to actually research the issue, you will find thta the Sunak thing is a member of the WEF and it reports to the current Fuhrer, Klaus Schwab. Reform is actually our only TORY Tory party, see.

[@noldo3837]

I am not sure what "liberal" realy means, but I am pretty sure what "conservative" means in practice - being evil and selfish, and being proud about it.

[@peterl5804]

The country’s memory is so bad, they will no doubt vote the Tories back in after 5 years of Labour, as they will blame them for the chaos of Brexit and it’s aftermath that they won’t be able to reverse in 5 years.

[@katamattyon]

I'd like the Tories and Labour both to fragment, obviously Labour came close in the Corbyn era but it seems unlikely now. The Tories fragmenting seems tangible now

[@sulamy1955]

How about the Conservative party just try ✨actually being conservative✨?

[@Greenpoloboy3]

Doing so badly despite having the backing and support of the ghastly Daily Mail & Sun newspaper

[@mattevans4377]

Labour: Hold our beer!

[@LordWalsallian]

We have never needed Proportional Representation more in our history. ALL parties should have the opportunity to represent those who vote for them. It"s ridiculous that we vote for the same two parties every election. I shall be voting Reform UK at the next election.

[@Fredreegz]

I'm from the opposite end of the political spectrum, and while I staunchly oppose their politics, the fact that in 2015 UKIP received 3.8 million votes but only one MP is so undemocratic.

[@michaelnorman7102]

DOESN'T MATTER WHO IS IN POWER NONE OF THEM SEEM TO REALISE THAT THEY ARE ELECTED TO SERVE THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED THEM TO THAT POSITION !!! POLITICIANS SEE IT AS A CHANCE TO BETTER THEMSELVES AND DO NOT GIVE A DAMN FOR THOSE WHO VOTED FOR THEM SELF SELF SELF 😮

[@AntonOfTheWoods]

My understanding was that OpenAI was started specifically not to make money but rather to do fundamental research in an open and safe way. Altman slowly but surely pushed it towards a closed, money-making enterprise, including turning it into a company structure. In spite of the amazing tech they've been developing, I don't see a difference between the new, money-oriented OpenAI and Google or another profit-driven organisation. Maybe the board decided they wanted to be faithful to the original mission? So even if openai emerges much leaner, maybe it a good thing?

[@billdobbins484]

I sincerely hope so.!!!

[@Vasilefs_Terranorum]

Ideally the conservatives will remain while their far right splits off. This will allow for them offer opposition to labour that isn’t batshit insane and hopefully one day reconstitute itself into a somewhat reasonable party. Which is likely impossible if the far right wing remains or takes over, that could well mean death for the tories.

[@d4v1do]

Yeah I think ordinarily moderate Tory’s or centrists govern the UK historically . Blair , Brown, Cameron and May have a lot more in common than not

[@victortaveira8271]

@@d4v1do Even Johnson is in this gang too. The red wall tories is the problem

[@RealUlrichLeland]

​@@d4v1do Blair and Cameron were quite different. Even though he was more centrist than previous labour leadership he still spent a lot on social programs. Before Blair NHS spending increased at a real terms rate of 2.5% per year, but during the Blair government it increased by 5.5%, only for this to go back down to 2.5% when Cameron came to power.

[@ten_tego_teges]

What conservatives? What are they conserving? They are neo-liberals, they are making the UK into an economic zone for global capital with no distinct identity.

[@d4v1do]

@@RealUlrichLeland that’s valid but given we were reeling off of the financial crisis and bailing out the banks , austerity was always going to be ok the horizon Blairites may not have been as extreme as Cameron but not too far off. Plus their social policies are drastically different, Cameron passed gay marriage after all

[@toyotaprius79]

C'mon, the Tories are far too well protected and sponsored

[@nicemandan]

Love the "purely illustrative" infographic

[@eberron_arch]

I am seeing things happening that remind me of what happened in Canada in the late 80s through the 90s. Our Tories (then known as the Progressive Conservatives) went through some scandals, and the PM resign and be replaced with a new leader, and factionalism grew (mostly from regional grievances , but ideological hard neo-liberalism was a heavily centred and ideological right leaning religiosity in that regionalism) - the PCs had a major loss, and after the western faction split off to form a Reform party. The right split vote left the Liberal party in power for basically the entire 90s, with the PCs basically dead in the water, with Reform forming the opposition at points, and a Quebec nationalist party being official opposition at a point too. The PC party and Reform eventually remerged into the Canadian Conservative Party, with the Reform wing being the strongest internal faction, and was eventually able to return to power and hurt Canada in myriad ways in the Early/mid 2000s

[@pintohoareau579]

No. The UK will keep voting Tories until the end of time.

[@1292liam]

the media will see to it. They run the country