Why Is Starmer So Unpopular?

[@Chrissy717]

I just love how the UK can elect a government and within minutes of a 5 year term, it becomes unpopular.

[@leonbanks5728]

@@Chrissy717 The UK in a nutshell.

[@CharlieR9997]

All have such short term memories, forgetting the 13 years of turmoil in an instant

[@dftfire]

Not surprising... our FPtP system means Labour have 63.2% of the MPs in the Commons on just 33.7% of the vote. So it's hardly-surprising people are unhappy with Labour when around two-thirds didn't vote for them anyway!

[@flickthenick]

​@@CharlieR9997more like 14 1/2 but it's kind of academic...

[@manana1444]

To be fair, the incumbent government needs only to be popular in the election year.

[@HeliumFreak]

Cause they didn't want Starmer, they just didn't want the Tories

[@michaeladkins6]

The last election, Reform was a None of the above.

[@lachlanchester8142]

There was other parties on the ballot as well which makes it even more silly

[@hegantank6495]

​@@lachlanchester8142 reform wasn't quite ready for government with the mess with their candidates, that isn't the case anymore though and with the new jezbollah party hitting starmer from the left its all downhill from here

[@JustAnotherAccount8]

@@lachlanchester8142 Parliamentary systems force voters to vote strategically otherwise you're just throwing your vote away.

[@dylansmith1833]

But now they wanna vote them back in? How does that make any sense?

[@carltomacruz9138]

Like Rishi Sunak, it seems that Keir Starmer is more popular as leader of the opposition.

[@xander6522]

Rishi was selected, not elected. He flooded the country with migrants.

[@stanthemafia]

There was nothing wrong with Rishi, just his hue.

[@Masa6x]

@@stanthemafia Nothing is crazy. Most ppl didnt hate him because hes indian, they hate him because hes out of touch, has a billionaire wife and is slimy af

[@Lythgoemania]

He wasn't popular as opposition leader either

[@r4v5t4r]

​@@stanthemafia If you hate poor people then tories are great

[@uncleandross4310]

No mention of one of the lowest voter turn-out in UK history? No? Just me then?

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

That's the thing. It's not so much that people voted Labour, they just didn't vote conservative.

[@ponyboy1664]

Because it was also one of the most unpalatable elections i can remember.

[@InciniumVGC]

That's cause there were no good parties running. Except Reform.

[@qsr1776]

It's like the election of 2004 in the US, having to choose between Bush Junior and John Kerry. All of them are WEF adherents.

[@angelogiusti5283]

I can tell you as an American u got a two party system why do you think we stoped giving a shit about out elections who wants to vote when u only have blue crap and red crap what I don’t understand is you guys have small parties ur telling me u still didn’t manage to break the two party system even if just pushing one of them over the finish line can do the job

[@jasongrundy1717]

He only got 32% of the vote. He started unpopular.

[@Dacheerio]

34

[@johnburrows3385]

@@Dacheerio 33.7

[@mike-A299]

@@jasongrundy1717 you lost, get over it.

[@rishabgaba8586]

Bla Bla Bla that’s how it works in every country with first past the poll system We are not a two party nation like usa

[@stevesmith3990]

@@Robespierre-lI you think it's successful???

[@JottoHearthStone]

Been saying this since prior to the election, I'll judge the government on its record in 3-4 years, not impulsive responses after 5-6 months.

[@dkmphotography_co_uk]

You're not the average voter... 😒

[@stephanguitar9778]

​@@dkmphotography_co_ukInfluenced by the right wing propaganda machine.

[@XeNeXX]

Common sense approach, most just get brainwashed by the media

[@chrislillie5522]

You don't need to wait that long... you can judge them on how many promises/pledges have been totally smashed already.

[@worldmilitarystats]

@@chrislillie5522 yes, 1 of them, only 1. And it was on tax, which affected rich people

[@cunawarit]

There are also soft factors to consider. Both Starmer and Reeves struggle as communicators, often coming across as robotic and unnatural. Their delivery feels forced, and much of what they say lacks the authenticity that resonates with people. It's challenging for individuals to connect with leaders who appear to be reciting pre-prepared talking points rather than speaking genuinely from the heart.

[@mikester4896]

Still prefer it over Boris' mad rambling

[@conormurphy4328]

That’s because the Uk has spend over a decade being deceived by snake oil salesmen

[@ressymezzo]

Sorry but the Conservatives spent 14 years reciting wooden pre-written scripts, with their juniors following whatever scripts their bosses were following word-for-word. Moot point.

[@cunawarit]

​@@ressymezzo But the Conservatives lost the election-and they lost badly. Why would Labour choose to follow the same path? It’s undeniably a bold move to observe a party’s spectacular failure and then decide to mimic their strategy.

[@cunawarit]

@@mikester4896 That’s hardly an ambitious target. There’s no harm in aiming high-why should we settle for mediocrity just because it’s marginally better than something terrible?

[@stevesmith3990]

You failed to mention that Starmer and Labour actually got LESS votes than when they lost badly in 2019 so only a 20% minority of eligible voters wanted them in the first place. Think about it.

[@KingCaillou]

Spot on!

[@D.B-s9x]

That’s because our voting system is rigged

[@mesamies123]

True. Fewer votes. The only reason Labour is in government is because the far, far-right took votes from the Tories.

[@mike-A299]

@@stevesmith3990 you lost, get over it.

[@stevesmith3990]

@mesamies123 I assume you are on the far far left.

[@Chris-lr2qb]

He hasn't pressed the "fix everything" button. It's as simple as that.

[@taraldomland8657]

😂

[@cgroovy]

Damn, he should really get around to pressing that button. What's he waiting for??!!

[@lukefleetwood7958]

Not fixing the previous governments issues is fine, but people hate him because he has made things worse in his own right as every Blairite Labour government always end up doing.

[@taraldomland8657]

@@lukefleetwood7958 lol

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

He pressed the "make everything much worse" button from the looks of it lol

[@shanecox7942]

GDP means next to nothing for the average quality of life of those who live within the UK. I think it's time we did away with this idea of growth as it does nothing but measure the wealth of the largest companies and richest people. We average quality of life for those that live within the UK is falling sharply so sharply that most cannot afford to live

[@dorino9057]

People have fallen for the right wing news propaganda. He’s only been in the office for five months and undoing 14 years of damage from the conservatives is going to be difficult and take time.

[@johntowers1213]

according to the PPP index, the bloody Russians are fairing better than we are in that regard.....how sad is that?

[@mike-A299]

@@shanecox7942 the story of the west in general sadly. Spot on.

[@ImmuneGEORGE]

What planet are you on? Having low growth leads to either tax rises or spending cuts, which has a negative impact on everyone’s lives. There’s a reason the economy is the #1 priority for pretty much every government.

[@mike-A299]

@@ImmuneGEORGE you've clearly missed their point here.

[@RobCGodin]

The number 1 word choice about Starmer was "Liar" but instead of addressing this, you addressed point number 6, "Boring". Why didn't you take a deeper look at why people think he is a liar?

[@Alexander-yb1zc]

Because regardless which word you pick it just comes down to labour having a terrible comms team that's constantly behind and chasing the narrative.

[@mabeSc]

Well, because they literally risk being arrested.

[@AE-yh7hu]

TLDR love the left too much to critique them.

[@HarryNott]

@@AE-yh7hu You're commenting on the video where they discuss Starmer's critiques and the evidence/rationale for them - yet they love the "left" too much to critique them? lmao

[@lordnoodle2146]

Being a liar doesn't matter in politics. Farage has been called up on lies he had made multiple times and he is arguably the most popular British MP. The issue is when they get in power they have to be called on those lies. Riski Sunak also made tax cutting claims and he knew the state of the UK affairs. The fact is everyone in the election lied their arse off. Stamer just won so is being called on it. Lies are what makes a politician popular. No charisma makes them unpopular. Look at Johnson, he won a majority after all his lies would outed.

[@richardjames3022]

One of the first things he did was to cancel the Winter Fuel Allowance. A two year old could have told him it was a BAD move, and he has continued down a similar path

[@ajn2370]

Although as far as possible from the next election is actually the best time to make a terrible decision

[@BaronLickilicky]

It's a bad move for his PR. It's not a bad move for the public finances. Why should older people get an annual amount of free money, based only on their age, not whether they need it? There was never any requirement to use the winter fuel allowance for fuel. Lots of wealthy pensioners used it to fund holidays abroad. Why should poor, younger people have their taxes given out told older richer people as an annual hand out?

[@richardjames3022]

@@BaronLickilicky Not free money any more than a pension is free money, which by the way is one of the lowest in Europe. Retired people have paid monies in tax. All I can say is I hope you make LOADS OF MONEY, so you will never have to ask for a pension or help from the government, of any colour.

[@BaronLickilicky]

@@richardjames3022 I agree the state pension should be increased - in that sense the Winter Fuel Allowance was just a plaster over a greater problem. And no, I won't make loads of money. I live on an income significantly less than the national average. I have accepted the fact that - unlike my parents and my grandparents - I will never be able to afford my own home. And like everyone else, I will also pay money in tax over my lifetime. However, I still save into my own private pension, as well as making AVCs to my workplace pension. Ensuring I have a comfortable retirement is my responsibility.

[@weeabooman2867]

@@BaronLickilicky Damn yeah just live in abject poverty, pay taxes, and get nothing for it! Lovely!

[@archvaldor]

Most of the respondents saying "give him more time" seem to ignore the fact they are carrying on tory austerity policies. We've had a decade of that it doesn't work, I'm not going to give Labour a pass on that.

[@inbb510]

Ahh yes so spending without consequence and our debt interest spiralling out of control is so much better in the long term eh? Did you learn nothing from Greece and what is currently happening in France? Austerity is not popular. Nobody has claimed otherwise. But if you don't do it sometimes, your country will quite literally go bankrupt where you will need to cut even more spending. This is certainly the case as our population ages even more where taxes need to go up anyways to fund more pensioners after their retirement. Your short-termist way of looking at government spending is part of the problem. You don't actually want to understand the complex problem.

[@tefky7964]

@@inbb510 Doing austerity sometimes isn´t a problem, but when was the last time you didn´t have austerity measures?

[@baratoplata7050]

There was £70 billion in extra spending announced in the budget lmao. Nearly every single sane party would have enacted austeriety to reduce our deficeit given where our debt levels are, lest we get another Liz Truss moment. Even Corbyns Labour would have done it. Because Austeriety includes tax rises.

[@mjl2904]

So you want to change government every 5 minutes and have the emperor’s new clothes that is Reform in government?

[@reaperz5677]

@@inbb510 Austerity isn't always bad, but neo-liberalism is. Replacing tory neo-liberal policy (which includes austerity) with slightly less neo-liberal Labour policy (which includes austerity) isn't a good thing. Why the fuck does the U.K need even MORE austerity, if they had austerity since 2014? You know you have to do something MORE than just austerity, right? You know you have to invest?

[@onenote6619]

Unpopular compared to the Tories? That's a bar you could trip over. People are unhappy because they are in a situation caused by Tory incompetence. Now let's see how things are in 4 years.

[@shroomyesc]

I don't understand the public. You literally JUST voted out the tories, but suddenly now you like them again? After all those years of failure, after they've been gone for 5 minutes you think they'd suddenly be better again? Collective amnesia.

[@dorino9057]

People have the memory of a goldfish and have already forgotten 14 years of damage

[@johntowers1213]

where did you get that idea? they don't want the Tories back in they Don't want Labour in either they want a party that isn't separated from the other just by the colour of the tie they chose to wear on the stump.. Labour won this election because their vote share was the least fractured... not because they were well liked. if the ballot had "non of the above try again" on it and voting was Mandatory neither Labour nor the Conservatives would ever get elected..

[@markgt894]

only 20% of the electorate voted Labour. Labour have made a mess with their recent budget.

[@lewis123417]

It's not exactly been a surge for the tories, they've actually gone down 1 point. Looks like labour have had a similar collapse in support as the tories had and the only party that's been making any real gains are reform. You really need to learn how to read polls

[@markgt894]

@@lewis123417 Reform has split the Tory vote.

[@thelusogerman3021]

6:30 when did boring politicians become a bad thing? They're politicans, not entertainers. If they're boring it probably means they're doing a good job

[@CrystalController]

Anyone who said they would vote conservative because they dont like kier starmer is exactly whats wrong with this country... Its like people forget what happened months ago

[@anthonylulham3473]

Any one who said they'd vote for Labour because they don't like the conservatives is exactly what's wrong with the country. . . . People should vote for what they want rather than what they don't want.

[@TraeceJay]

@@anthonylulham3473what if what you want is a non tory government and the only way to achieve that is by voting for the other most popular party? Voting for what you want in our voting system doesn’t work so you have to take what you can get

[@maroonstarsface]

What happened months ago is people voted labour because they diddnt like the Tories

[@jamesn0va]

Better thar than reform

[@InciniumVGC]

Yall should have voted Reform

[@BenCG]

Honestly. Nobody from Labour in their right mind will challenge Starmer's leadership with a majority that big, and we're 4 a bit years away from an election. This does not matter.

[@gavinmartin5151]

who knows anything could happen

[@MattLaw-g4n]

Can we just stop with the pretence. Everyone interested in politics knew precisely what he was, what he stood for, and they all gave him a free pass into Number 10. I can only imagine the Westminster bubble decided a change was needed, a pressure relief.

[@jonsmith5058]

I remember in the leadup to the election all the Starmer apologists claiming ‘he’s only saying x in order to beat the Tories, he’ll be better once he is in power’. Well they are eating crow now.

[@jaggmor]

I seen so many criticisms like yours but why do you never say anything specific you don't like?

[@jonsmith5058]

@ I dont like that he pretends to be both a Tory, and claim to be Labour. I dont like how he viciously controls his party, weaponizing his power to silence anyone who disagrees with him. I don’t like how he’s purged the party of Labour members who were there for decades to stack the place with his stooges. I don’t like how involved he is with the backstabbings in his party and the literal effort factions in the party had in trying to deliberately make Corbyn lose. I dont like how he acts entitled to left wing voters yet does nothing for them, especially the youth. I dont like how he’ll kick people out of the party for watching a video from Palestine or attending a protest. I dont like how he lied about the status of Dianne Abott in an effort to force her out. Have I listed enough? If you dont hear these complaints you arent paying attention.

[@kzrr]

@@jonsmith5058 Nothing you said has absolutely anything to do with running a country, nor relevant to the entire "what he said in order to beat the tories" that you hoped he would be better at when in power. You don't like his character traits..?

[@nielskorpel8860]

And this is why you don't have a first-past-the-post, winner-takes-all system; the strategy of the politics becomes more important than the genuinity of the politics. -- Greetings from The Netherlands

[@jaggmor]

@@jonsmith5058 That's one specific thing but sure. I think his rationale is that Corbyn lost and he is reorienting the party more to the "center". You can disagree with it but it worked didn't it.

[@TippedBalance]

Why we do love being lied to in the UK? JUST GIVE US FALSE HOPE AND THAT'S IT... WHY BOTHER FIXING ANYTHING WHEN WE GOT VIBES.

[@BenchFox_]

mate give him a second its been 6 months

[@tobos8909]

​@@BenchFox_He's agreeing with you mate

[@BenchFox_]

@@tobos8909 oh right i misread that

[@TippedBalance]

@@BenchFox_ Nah, I'll him at least 14 years

[@inbb510]

@@TippedBalance, welcome to how Rishi Sunak felt during his leadership.

[@dpereira227]

He’s only unpopular because the media says so, too many bootlickers forget it took 14 years of tories to get to this point. Let the man work and at the end of his term you can pass judgement.

[@Semisonic56]

It’s also for the fact that we have had so much political upheaval and we’ve become used to it. But I imagine Starmer and Labour will serve a full term in this Parliament.

[@SDDT1]

Well yes they have a mega majority of seats no one would chose to give it up , more depends who will be leading the party at the next election

[@Gh44HZ]

obviously, elections only happen early if the government calls for one

[@h0ckeyd]

The majority they have, it’ll probably be more than one term.

[@thecooletompie]

I'm not British but the the biggest problem looking in from the outside seems to be that Starmer does not want to make any difficult decisions. Compared to the conservatives he pursues the same "have your cake and eat it" policy with brexit, Starmer wants more seamless trade with Europe but has ruled out joining the customs union. When entering office he also could've relaunched HS2 immediately instead it looks like he will cancel it or downgrade it. Despite having a massive majority his government hasn't really done or tried anything big.

[@ajn2370]

To be fair with HS2, the previous government started selling off necessary land to make a u turn much harder. This is me nit picking though. I do agree with your overall point.

[@lewis123417]

Only he has absolutely no mandate to take us back into the customs union. If he wants to garuntee his career imploding, your advice is what he should follow. He didn't campaign to do that because he wouldn't have won

[@o_s_byron2319]

The last time a prime minister tried something big she lasted 40 days.

[@eddiecalderone]

@@lewis123417 Hence why it’s an outsider view

[@Grymbaldknight]

Except arresting people to saying impolite things online. He's done plenty of that.

[@mango4ttwo635]

why is Starmer so unpopular? Let's start with he was never popular, even against the most unpopular government in recorded history (33.7% against them???). He ran on "change", and then said, "well, not change so much as 'steady as she goes',"

[@nicobruin8618]

Less people voted for him than for Corbyn last election. The only reason he won was because nobody wanted to vote for the Tories anymore. And the Tories left him a shitshow. One he's obviously making worse, but the kind of person capable enough to fix it is rather rare in the British political system.

[@davidbaker1454]

Give me the British pollitical system anytime. Better than the US one where the rich have more power and the rest go along with them. I like democracy.

[@NottoriousGG]

The fact that the UK public expects growth given the current conditions y'all are under, just speaks volumes about how dumb the general citizenry is across the world.

[@paulburns1333]

The UK public don't give a fck about growth, that's just media fallacy.

[@LonglongMan-pp7uq]

Higher taxes, weak on illegal migration, net zero insanity making everyone poorer. What's to like?

[@michaeladkins6]

Ask someone in Valencia Spain about Net Zero "insanity".

[@LonglongMan-pp7uq]

@michaeladkins6 go on...

[@lukeneilson9799]

And what are your thoughts on the record immigration levels under the Tories?

[@weeabooman2867]

@@lukeneilson9799 I don't like Starmer or the Tories.

[@lukeneilson9799]

@weeabooman2867 neither do I really. Hence why I am more supportive of the Lib Dems and the Green Party. However, Starmer is still better than the Tories and Reform UK (who are just Tories on Steroids).

[@TheNathanNS]

Because this country is full of idiots who assume Starmer could've fixed everything within a week of becoming PM, when in reality it'll take at least a year or two before we start to really notice any changes. For better or for worse.

[@tomo_xD]

Starmer doesn't have a clue what to do to fix the country.

[@Madkid73]

Whatever he sorts, the press will do their best to obscure it.

[@ece2178]

so backing down on his pledges (literally all of them BTW), pushing 100,000 pensioners into poverty and ******* off farmers wasn't enough.

[@tinofsardines]

Stalin's bootlicker

[@Owen-sm7ob]

So when the country is doing even worse in 2 years (like projected) then what?

[@sakshambhadoria9998]

He lacks energy and oratory skills like Tony Blair. He isn't charismatic either. He was just voted to power because of visible anger towards tories for their 14 years of chaotic, misrule, austerity and misgovernance. He doesn't have a policy road map for economic revival that the UK desperately needs.

[@Twilleh]

Nobody is dealing with the 25 year old mass immigration elephant in the room, people are fed up, with all the major parties.

[@mike-A299]

@@Twilleh you could just leave my country, if you're so unhappy with it.

[@Daniboi971]

@@mike-A299he’s probably in his homelands and the homelands of his entire family tree. Weird comment.

[@patrickhiggins9633]

Most people agree that immigration is too high at the moment ​@@mike-A299

[@mike-A299]

@@Daniboi971 yet he's a traitor to it. This is my country and if you don't like it, leave it.

[@CantusTropus]

@@mike-A299 Are you claiming this country, Adbul? You'd best come out and say it openly, then. If you're a native Briton instead, then why in the name of all that's holy are you OK with England no longer being English?

[@svartorivigt5016]

You don't have a popular mandate when you only get 33% of voter share.

[@ben-tendo]

People expect too much too soon nowadays because life is now now now, but change does take time.

[@thewookie6287]

Less than a year of Labour government, as much as i dislike Starmer im not going to judge this government off that little time

[@charlienyiti5880]

Maybe because the media is always running stories about how unpopular he is? Like, it's been 5 months, a lot of whats going on is still inertial from the Tories, we'll see how actually popular he is in 4 years

[@colinsmith1288]

Jailing people for years for hurty words did not help.

[@michaeladkins6]

Hurty words-getting people to set fire to immigrants lodging. Those "hurty" words?

[@lachlanchester8142]

Any examples of that? Or do you just listen to reform and not do any critical thinking

[@tomatomi8041]

@@lachlanchester8142 You're mixing us up with the lefties who only watch mainstream media

[@CantusTropus]

@@lachlanchester8142 An elderly man got arrested for shouting "who the f is Allah?".

[@weeabooman2867]

@@michaeladkins6 damn how dare people be outraged 3 young girls were murdered!

[@edmaximum]

Brexit has shattered any semblance of stability in the UK. The country appears to be lurching wildly from far-right policies to left-wing ideas and back again, seemingly without any clear strategy or purpose. It feels rudderless, caught in a cycle of reactionary politics and division.

[@robmoss3501]

He took away pensioners heating allowance and has done nothing about the uncontrolled immigration problem.

[@BaronLickilicky]

He's been in government for five months, what exactly do you expect... why didn't the last government do something about the 'uncontrolled immigration' in 14 years? And yes, he took away an annual payout that was based only on age. There was no requirement to use the 'heating allowance' for heating - many wealthy pensioners used it to fund annual holidays abroad. Anyone getting Pension Credit still gets the payment. That's what benefits are for, and is how it works for everyone else. You get benefits because you need them, not just because you like getting money from the government.

[@archvaldor]

@@BaronLickilicky "He's been in government for five months, what exactly do you expect" I didn't expect the type of cruelty you get with every tory government.

[@BaronLickilicky]

@@archvaldor My point was simply five months isn't much time to pass judgement. I'm genuinely interested in what 'cruelty' you're referring to. Is it limiting the winter fuel allowance to those on pension credit (those who most need it)? What other cruel things has he done?

[@inbb510]

@@archvaldor , if you think democratically elected governments can enact long term changes in 5 months then you are outright delusional or intellectually dishonest. Either have realistic expectations with democracy or stop advocating for a political system that doesn't cater to your short-termist dictatorial view of politics.

[@inbb510]

@@BaronLickilicky he's just angry that daddy government doesn't give him free money and a free house.

[@dimensional_fusion]

Quick note: At 1:57 the diagram displayed is not the 2024 election results - it is the current makeup of the house of commons. You can tell because the 9 suspended labour MPs are listed as independents instead of Labour as they were in July

[@joshuakampamba9061]

They didn't want stammer, they just wanted to teach the tories a lesson

[@ryananthony3104]

As an outsider who doesn't really know how the UK government works, is being popular at this point in any way important? Does it actually have an effect on his ability to push forward his agenda?

[@VisualMessiah]

Being popular doesn't matter as much as places such as the US thankfully, if you look at the popularity ratings of our last PMs they have been consistently minus and bad

[@James-tv4pl]

As long as Starmer can retain the loyalty of his MPs, popularity means absolutely nothing until the next general election

[@dorino9057]

People have fallen for the right wing news propaganda. He’s only been in the office for five months and undoing 14 years of damage from the conservatives is going to be difficult and take time.

[@BalrajTakhar-u7u]

Both main parties here in the UK are crooks. Populated by morons & shysters. They don't have the welfare of the public at heart. They have their noses in the trough.

[@markgt894]

@James-tv4pl local elections are next year. Labour are going to get destroyed.

[@juliuskresnik198]

Tbh, it's always seemed to me that a lot of the electorate is far too comfortable with things being bad. I dont speak for everyone but a lot of people would prefer a chaotic Conservative party that keeps them comfortable than a Labour party that tries to make things better.

[@luluisze]

but they are not making things better

[@hereticalgames3695]

Both are failing at those missions. UK is getting to economically questionable space.

[@mariatheresavonhabsburg]

​@@hereticalgames3695 Regardless of whom is in charge, that'll be the case for atleast a few years.

[@ronmastrio2798]

You literally have the 12 people who voted for labour saying things have to get worse and burying their heads in the sand.

[@jiminverness]

_"Why is Starmer so unpopular?"_ *Is that a trick question?*

[@derelictconfusion9498]

Cause he was born!

[@XeNeXX]

Yes it is, answer is simple, the tories own the media in this country, hence why we ended up with 5x shit Tory PM’s in a town instead of casual corbyn lmao

[@joso7228]

yeah he's a bit dry but some excellent Immigration policies so far

[@jiminverness]

@@joso7228 _" but some excellent Immigration policies so far"_ Such as?

[@dftfire]

​@@XeNeXXI've replied to your own comment on this, but the Tories don't own all the media in this country. Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph are right-wing. Sun and Times can vary. Mirror, Guardian, Observer, The i, Independent, FT (currently) and Star (currently) are for Labour. Metro is left-leaning online, more centre in print. For TV, Sky and Channel 4 News are both left-leaning. BBC varies. ITN (ITV and C5 news) fairly neutral. GBN and talkTV right-leaning. If people on the left want a 24hr news network similar to the last two, nothing stopping anyone setting one up

[@marlonsegura5201]

He offered 'change', but he has realized that neoliberal elites are not that easy to deal with, and so he has opted for passivity.

[@veggie42]

He won't do change. He's stuck with mrs predictable

[@CLaw-tb5gg]

This was always inevitable. Aside from the fact that people never really cared about Labour and only voted for them an an alternative to Labour - to be brutally honest, the electorate as a whole just don't understand things very well. People simply don't appreciate the state we're in. Britain's problems are far more profound and serious than something that can be fixed with some minor tweaks to policy - we've basically been slowly dying since WW2 - and are generational in both how long they've been developing and will take to resolve. If Reform had got into power instead they'd have also rapidly plummeted in popularity as well because they wouldn't have been able to fix anything either. Improving things will require fairly revolutionary change sustained over decades, but both politicians and the public are more concerned about what the Express is going to put on the front page tomorrow.

[@michaelburgess8415]

No vision, no integrity, no charisma, no loyalty...a vacuous suit...He lied to become the leader of the opposition and became PM despite offering nothing but continued complicity in genocide in Gaza...as a lefty, I despise him and everything he stands for.

[@ArgHelo]

It's remarkable that he's managed to unite those on the left and the right in their disdain for him.

[@wellsee123]

The premise of the survey is flawed. People don't know how they're going to vote in 4-5 years time. I reckon a lot of people are willing to give them a term in Government to prove themselves.

[@Gh44HZ]

you need 5 years before you can decide whether a law was bad?

[@vincilo8835]

I'm starting to get desperate about this country. Is like we actually deserve everything happened to us, be it 14 years of Brexit or Tories. We never really want change, we only want to complain.

[@agodelianshock9422]

I didn't hate Liz Truss but she was pushed out by her own party and now look where we are.

[@veggiesupreme3556]

2 worst things Starmer has done - Handling of the riots and the imprisonment of children over things they posted online and the subsequent release of actually dangerous offenders back into the public sometimes without the prescribed ankle trackers - Giving the Chagos Islands to Mauritius ( I voted for this guy and it didn't feel great at the time and it feels even worse now)

[@ptonpc]

The 'imprisonment' of children over things they posted online. Do you have any real, verified proof of that? If you do (unlikely since that is the usual tory / gammon claim) *what laws were broken, when were they enacted and when were these 'children imprisoned?* The release of offenders back into the public. The prisons were literally running out of space. Was it handled well? No but you can thank the tories for the problem. The Tories are the ones who started the process to hand over the Chagos Islands. Handling of the riots. It was handled like every other riot over the years. This one was fuelled by more gammon and bigotry of course. But, it's England, those things happen in England, not so much in the other parts of the UK. I do not like Starmer. He is too tory for me, there are plenty of things to criticise him and his minions for. But try not to share tory and reform mince.

[@weeabooman2867]

@@ptonpc I like how you just have an utter disdain for the natives of the UK

[@philipthody5007]

Imprisoned children ? Where are you getting your news feed from mate 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@Iltazyara]

@@weeabooman2867 You appear to have an utter disdain for the facts, what with how you take factual information as an attack on being British because it doesn't line up with your bigoted propaganda feeds.

[@Alexander-yb1zc]

It's honestly just the communication, they constantly are behind on the narrative on policy THEY PUT OUT. They need Malcom back in ASAP 😂.

[@JasonAtlas]

Only so much you can do Vs the Murdoch press.

[@david030491]

He’s a duplicitous Red Tory. Might be that?

[@veggie42]

Yep he's played behind that wife's back i bet and not with the Asian donors

[@JohnJourdan88]

TLDR and its neoliberal fangirls will never admit wrongdoing about Southport.

[@mattmmk]

I watched the video to see if it would be mentioned. I expected it wouldn't, but I wanted to challenge my own prejudices.

[@ericherde1]

He’s unpopular because he’s in charge and he’s spent the last few years rejecting all the ideas that could help address the problems caused by the Tories, so life still sucks in the UK for a lot of people, and he takes the blame for it.

[@TheAkashicTraveller]

And the only ones actually offering anything different are reform, though it's easy to offer what people want when you're a conman.

[@jackayers4955]

I think people don't really get how serious Britain's problems are. They just know they're paying too much for everything. Labour says they want to build, but they haven't communicated why building is important.

[@vladthecon]

airstrip1*

[@anjelkanja8032]

I think that is exacly it, the public dont realise how much damage the tories did to the foundation of this country, and its hard to go against them because the public have the attention span of a butterfly. The tories cause generational damage to the uk to make it better for the people for a couple years and then when that stops working labour come in and fix the damage at the expense of living standards in the short terms and POW, the tories turn around and say the country was better under us and swoop in and destroy the improvements they made to buy popularity, rinse and repeat ad infinitum

[@angryherbalgerbil]

No where to build. Tiny island, increasingly more people. Increasingly fewer farms. Increasingly larger city hellscapes. It's a matter of where we build, what we build, and why we build it. Building more homes to account for more people is only adding to the growing systems cascade. The only thing he's told the truth on is: "Things are going to get worse before they get better" he just isn't saying to people how much worse, mainly because it's a level of grimness too much to consider for most UK citizens.

[@lewis123417]

Because we're taking in a million people every year, that's why we need to build

[@jackayers4955]

@@lewis123417 We need to build to bring the cost of rent and mortgages down. Many young people don't want to start families because housing is so expensive, hence the need to bring in immigrants.

[@mishapurser4439]

Neoliberialism is not the centre, it's centre-right at least.

[@landrypierce9942]

In the grand scheme of things with respect to the entire history of human thought, every modern democracy represents the far-left. Republican, Democrat, Labour, Conservative. All liberals.

[@davidfuentes9957]

@@landrypierce9942oh yeah, and private corporations are socialists and conservative Christians read Der Kapital by Karl Marx.

[@rm1305]

Starmer not appearing on TLDR podcast is top of my issue list.

[@crazyman8472]

What we’ve got here is a failure to communicate (effectively). 🤦‍♀️

[@AorER1613]

As an American, my favorite part of Kier Starmer's reign has got to be the time he and his cronies forgot the sun has long since set on the bri'ish empire and tried to extradite American citizens, in the US, to the UK for violating their anti-free speech laws. That was a hoot of pure hubris lmao

[@truefortune985]

It is a cultural problem not a wealth problem. The UK is extremely rich, generating a massive amount of income every year. For example, it raises 1 trillion pounds annually from a population of 68 million. To put this in perspective, China rakes in around 3 trillion dollars from 1.4 billion people, and the USA collects about 5 trillion dollars from around 370 million people. Here, we're not discussing GDP but the actual cash that flows into the country's treasury. The UK is mega-rich, but the problem isn't money, as governments often claim, citing "black holes" that need filling and budget shortages. The real issue is cultural. For instance, when you pay people to be disabled, such as through Personal Independence Payment (PIP), you end up with more claimants; 36 percent of these are for mental health issues. Most of the world deals with tough days or weeks by pushing through, which arguably strengthens mental resilience. In contrast, our society often takes a more lenient approach, potentially exacerbating the issue by enabling people not to work under the guise of care and concern. This is an unsustainable model, and the benefits bill continues to rise. The narrative extends to improving criminals and low-output immigrants. It has been proven that every immigrant costs more than they contribute, with entitlements like pension credit becoming a burden, especially for those who have not contributed sufficiently. An example is a Bulgarian man and his wife, who moved to the UK and worked as cleaners. After three years, he suffered a heart attack and subsequently required medication and multiple operations, costing the NHS over 1 million pounds. His wife developed stomach cancer and received lifelong treatment, costing another million pounds, while their tax contributions amounted to just 2000 pounds since their arrival. This situation highlights a broader cultural issue where people are reluctant to work, preferring to rely on state benefits. This mentality is coupled with a lack of respect for law and order and the integration of third-world cultures that do not assimilate or respect UK society. We face accusations of racism when we address these issues, despite the criticism being focused on unsustainable immigration rather than race. The UK is overwhelmed by cultures that do not integrate, do not speak English, and contribute to rising crime rates-challenges not exclusive to immigrants, as the indigenous population also commits crimes. However, adding to the problem through uncontrolled immigration does not help. The solution isn't to demonize the rich or businesses, as they are the primary sources of wealth, not the government. Instead, we need to restore decency and accountability, teaching people to take responsibility for their actions and not to rely on the state. If we do not address these cultural and structural issues, the consequences will only worsen.

[@brycelandon6387]

Sounds like you Brits have the same problem that we Americans have been dealing with in our own country.

[@grandbean9031]

Blaming a man and his wife for having heart attacks and getting cancer is some of the dumbest thing i have ever seen. Does that mean all non-immigrant low wage workers should stop receiving free nhs treatment as well? If that pair of bulgarians is to blame, then I do believe it does.

[@truefortune985]

@grandbean9031 nope not blaming. Again how the media and so many people who can't think otiside the box think. They have every right to come here and claim. And that's the issue. Everyone should have world class health care. But by allowing every single person to come I was highlighting the actual cost. So one day when you have your heart attack and or cancer if the care is not there for you it will because we are destroying our country with uncontrolled immigration. Think outside the box rather than be sk desperate to call someone racist. Immigration uncontrolled does not work. We have a lazy entitled population we need to fix first. Uncontrolled immigration will and is making us poorer and weaker and we will have nothing if continues. Labelling rascim is an easy easy shot.

[@nielskorpel8860]

@@grandbean9031 And apparently brits don't get sick like this. XD This guy.

[@rforden1976]

Because starmer don't know how to run a country

[@JoeeyTheeKangaroo]

He will become more popular if he plans to kick muslims out the country.

[@milesgreenaway6008]

My family has always voted labour but my family hate starmer, because of what he did to Corbin

[@SamuelHill-qt4zx]

Why is there so much focus on approval ratings. The UK will approve / disapprove according to their perceptions on whether the state of the country is on an incline or decline. The approval rating essentially becomes a representation of the public perception on the state of the UK but we all know the UK is in a shambles - no point in stating the obvious.

[@senanur1983]

Killing old pensioners, taxing 45% inheritance tax for farmers, highest tax burden for companies in UK history, highest legal immigration in UK history and you are asking why labour is unpopular?

[@alunreed8214]

The winter fuel allowance became means tested. Taxing the richest section of Britain by inheritance tax means those who can most afford to pay pay.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

'Why is Starmer so unpopular?' Perhaps treating the bulk of the population with utter contempt, after renaging on most of the 'promises' in his Manifesto, might have some relevance here?

[@imagecollections6665]

Starmer is unpopular because 1. He has done absolutely nothing about immigration & thinks anyone is far right if they consider a million people settling here each year as an issue. 2. He is mired in sleaze but has a good legal team who keep it secret. 3. He broke lockdown rules whilst going on about party gate but broadcast a lockdown message from Lord Ali's house. 4. Accepts tons of donations but argued about Boris's wallpaper for about a year. 5. They cannot admit that most of the UK's financial troubles are due to funding immigrants who come here & do nothing but breed. The UK has 1.6 million unemployed foreigners. 6. Reeves is hammering businesses despite the "fully costed plan for government" they claimed to have. 7. Food inflation is rising quickly again due to Labour. 8. They have talked about the "black hole" for months before an investment summit which is hardly going to encourage people.

[@haroldotrotter9148]

That is actually a really good unbiased summary.

[@lukeneilson9799]

You are forgetting that a lot of this cost and the reason why a lot of small businesses are struggling and there is high food inflation is due to Brexit (which is entirely the fault of the Tories), but you conviently miss this out. Also, a lot of the so called cost of immigration is false as well. Migrants are actually a net positive to the treasury overall.

[@imagecollections6665]

@ I agree Brexit was handled badly. We needed to leave the ECHR too. I lost a lot of trade with the EU since the UK lost the customs union. Brexit should have meant we stopped importing foreigners, instead where I live now almost everyone is a recently arrived African or Asian & we have UK MPs arguing the case for blasphemy laws & inbreeding in parliament.

[@lukeneilson9799]

@@imagecollections6665 well, if you want less trade barriers and less African/Asian immigrants, then vote for pro-EU parties like the Lib Dems and the Greens.

[@lukeneilson9799]

@@imagecollections6665 in that case. If you want better trade and less immigrants from Africa and Asia, then vote for a pro-EU party like the Lib Dems or the Greens.

[@Wakeaholik]

He campaigned on a pro-business message then delivered the most anti-business budget in decades. Same old Labour…..how could so many people be fooled……?! Smaller economy, less tax revenue, less investment……sheer madness.

[@kreuner11]

My condolences to the people of the UK who just can't elect a government that doesn't become wildly unpopular in 5 minutes

[@shardlake]

Should have included all the things they said they would not do or the Conservatives were wrong for trying to implement, then did them - Tax Rises and Winter Fuel Payments to name a couple.

[@535-o5o]

Means tested. It’s fair. I don’t think they’ve done anything wrong and are doing their best to undo 14 years of pisstake

[@carlosmiguelteixeiraott3643]

I've said so before and I'll say it again, he's just too much like the Tories, people wanted change and he's just not delivering it. People wanted Corbyn, they got Mild Sunak.

[@ASBO_LUTELY]

Labeling working class people as far right wasn't very clever, neither was lying to our collective faces about two tier policing. He's a complete and utter nob!

[@SeanOfEarth]

"he's even had to reset some of his key targets" He's not. He just reiterated them and gave an update. All things the media should be doing and isn't. And this is why he's unpopular

[@inwalters]

Glad to know US voters aren't the only stupid ones in the world. Based on the past since the Tories were in office for 15 years, it will take at least 30 years for Labour to get the country back to where it was when the Tories came to power, much less making things better. Unfortunately, the electorate has the memory of a mayfly.

[@retrofrog127]

I do try to be kind, but anyone who went from voting for Labour, back to voting for the Tories, is actually unhinged.

[@lewis123417]

I agree, they should ditch labour and the tories for reform

[@Iltazyara]

@@lewis123417 Why would anyone go for 'The Tories, but Explicitly More Evil and Cruel' as an alternative to Tories being awful? Half of the problem witht he Tories is their constant performative cruelty. Why fix a problem when you can abuse and malign people and get support that way instead? And Reform is just doubling down on the same. Only harder and with more extremism.

[@lewis123417]

@Iltazyara such as? Reform are nasty bla bla, people aren't interested in that, securing the borders and deporting criminals is not only common sense but is supported by the majorty of the country, don't care how "nasty" it is

[@InciniumVGC]

Reform would fix your country's mass illegal migration problem.

[@ronmastrio2798]

@@Iltazyara If you're in a left wing bubble, for a lot of people the problem with the Tories is that they became a Blairite party and continued his failed policies especially on immigration. The Tories are a left wing party and your trying to frame Starmer continuing all their polices as some kind of change.

[@williamlu9998]

He's not exciting there's no feeling of rebirth or optimism. Its alot of oh we are in a bad spot and will remain in a bad spot for a long time.

[@James-tv4pl]

That's his biggest problem. His narrative is constantly pessimistic in the short term and he rarely even acknowledges that things will get better. That's something that's gonna make any politician unpopular

[@inbb510]

​@James-tv4pl, I'd say to those people to get over it. What? You would rather have a politician giving you false promises and say everything will be fine and dandy without them having to take any difficult decisions? I say get real. GET REAL.

[@James-tv4pl]

@@inbb510 You can make difficult decisions while following a narrative of hope. You can give true promises while following a narrative of hope. Literally all that it requires is to concentrate less on the 'things will get worse' and more on the 'things will get better'. If you concentrate more on the 'things will get worse' it makes it seem like you're covering your back in preparation to do a bad job

[@inbb510]

@James-tv4pl you can't have it both ways really. Either you want an honest who says how it is or don't have an honest government. If the people aren't prepared to hear honest bad news from governments then they shouldn't demand such qualities from them. You can't have your cake and eat it. Hope is form of copium and a functional government isn't there to give people hope. They are there to do what they believe the right thing is regardless of popularity.

[@AzmainDian-d3t]

UK be changing Prime Ministers faster than I change my mind when going out somewhere💀

[@EVILBUNNY28]

It’s a tale as old as politics. One party creates growth and prosperity, until it all becomes the normal. People get bored and want a change, the change comes along in the form of labour. Everyone realises how bad they fck everything up. Everyone agrees “never again” then the next generation come along having not lived through a labour government and think everything will be sunshine and roses. Then the cycle repeats itself

[@blueciffer1653]

*ignores over a decade of complete mismanagement of the UK by NOT labor*

[@commercio3564]

Starmer literally said things will get worse before they get better BEFORE he assumed office. People just need to be patient. Changing an entire fucking country as complex as ours takes time. Actually enrages me how stupid our population is sometimes.

[@stevesmith3990]

Yes you are 😅

[@PostingCringeOnMain]

@@stevesmith3990says the guy who’d vote for the party of Brexit and Liz Truss again… if we just had another 5 years of the Tories they’d get it right next time, honest guv.

[@ece2178]

yes but again he did a 360 on his pledges as soon as he became prime minister

[@chrisf3379]

@@ece2178 you are ignoring the reason why he had to. That's your bias.

[@benjaminjenkins7120]

Take your own advice: blaming the voters is stupid and impatient.

[@calvinsmith6681]

Maybe if they actually stood for something instead of being neoliberal technocrats and campaigning on “we’re not the Tories” this wouldn’t be happening. But no god forbid a party actually stand for something other than the neoliberal status quo

[@StrayCatInTheStreets]

Not British but looking in as a close neighbour I would say the British people in general have had their fill of the same archetypical political leader whether it's conservative or labour. Whatever you want to say about Jeremy Corbyn he was at least different to the others currently leading the UK parties - they are professional managerial class types you see in your office jobs. Very blasse and very one dimensional.

[@inbb510]

Saying that you will spend spend spend and spend, tax tax and tax, and borrow borrow and borrow like there is no tomorrow is not a policy position. People aren't stupid.

[@dorino9057]

People have fallen for the right wing news propaganda. He’s only been in the office for five months and undoing 14 years of damage from the conservatives is going to be difficult and take time.

[@fireironthesecond2909]

Labour: “Who wants Liz Truss but a tyrant?” The British people: “…nobody.” Labour: “Well *nobody* is going to like Starmer as PM! … wait…”

[@RR-sp3ey]

The Labour vote was different from that of the SNP, Reform, and Green as it isn't a positive message of change. Public support is challenging when your election is primarily a result of voters disliking the Tories. SNP and Reform will see continued growth, increasing Scotland's case for independence and further distancing it from the UK. At the same time, England is likely to become more divided, with increasing support for Reform and voting based on religion/Gaza.

[@MF_Muffled]

In Bournemouth there are several Migrant hotels that are no longer accessible to the public, aggressive security guards if you are not a migrant and groups of migrants who are stealing, robbing people, littering our streets, general anti-social behaviour and even stabbings. We need a new SYSTEM, a new PM who is actually a leader who we want, not just someone who is the least shit of the choices we have and makes the right choices for the British people!! Our homeless problem is at an all time high, many of them who are receiving zero help and yet us tax payers are paying for these migrants to stay in these hotels, get an allowance, phone paid for etc... When will it stop??? We need to look after our own people and actually STAND UP TOGETHER! We always sit back, complain and say ah the UK is shit, so i'm going to leave. NO, you must stand and fight, if we all run away, then who is going to solve these problems?

[@davidbaker1454]

Why didn't the tories fix it. Big words from Farage but unless he uses inhuman tactics he will have similar success. We have been accepting immigrants for over 2000 years and we are still a GREAT BRITAIN. Share.

[@ThemoonsFullofgoons-qn9xl]

It’s clear this is a channel where all the labour voters hang out 😂

[@eversor10]

Long way till the next election

[@DarylBaines]

None of this matters. It's always best to do the tough things as quickly as possible (rip the bandage off) and worry about popularity when it comes to the mid-term elections. If he chases the polls he'll get nothing done.

[@Clbull118]

They should've stuck with Corbyn after 2019. It took Partygate and Kwasi Kwarteng's disastrous budget to make Starmer barely electable. Whereas if Jeremy Corbyn stayed on every Corbynista could have looked on the last five years with a smug "I told you so" grin.

[@codders69]

People still defending Starmer make me laugh

[@TheGalifrey]

Opinion polls mean shit but lets be honest Starmer has less appeal than a mouldy cabbage. Alarming how many people think Reform is a serious option.....

[@bloodmagiclord8253]

Alarming that people think voting for the same two parties over and over again is going to improve anything. The definition of insanity.

[@TheGalifrey]

@bloodmagiclord8253 alarming some idiots think there is only 3 parties to choose from.... Or that reform would change for the better 🤣

[@ronmastrio2798]

@@TheGalifrey People are probably tired of 15 flavours of left wing bullshit being called a "choice".

[@squeakyproductions]

People are rightly angry and fed up after a long period of terrible government. The Labour party have got a lot of work to do to fix that and will take a lot of abuse in the process. I only hope they are up to the task.

[@jamesw7565]

The issue is not Labour but the UK voting system. What is needed is a proportionate voting system. While have two party system both sides can have incompetent mps as they know, they will get in one day.

[@veggie42]

I voted for one kind of it didn't win

[@beast4517]

He’s always been unpopular, our voting system can let in extremists

[@riccamane8759]

Dude, you havan't talked about the Starmer governement orwellian-style crackdown on free speech! I think this is one of the many problems of this administration.

[@tentwoXII]

I get why the British commenters aren’t mentioning Southport and migration because they’re scared of judicial retribution, but that probably is a large reason why he is not liked.

[@barrywood7322]

Why is Starmer so unpopular easy liar liar pants on fire besides being clueless.

[@Permanentlay]

3:22 starmer struggles on the economoy, and tldr struggles on the spelling of economy

[@cdlikecdrom]

In the UK we are experiencing the Biden administration first hand

[@Worldmisery]

No. This is not relevant to British politics. I don't want to talk about Biden or Trump or Harris. I don't like any of them.

[@06jtm]

I’ve said it before but UK is essentially a conservative country (72% of PM’s have been Tory). Feels like labour gets in when the Tories mess up badly enough

[@dorino9057]

People have fallen for the right wing news propaganda. He’s only been in the office for five months and undoing 14 years of damage from the conservatives is going to be difficult and take time.

[@arbbr9397]

Also, he is the person tasked with cleaning up the mess. It’s not an enviable position to be in. 14 years of decline cannot be undone in one term, never mind 6 months.

[@paulburns1333]

He's doing the same fckn things that caused the mess.