Will the Right Join Forces to Defeat Starmer?

[@joncarter3761]

I doubt it, Farrage is despised by the Tories and that party is very petty and self defeating when it comes to popular ex-members.

[@PedroPedro-k9p]

They'd get together in bed in a split second if it meant being in power.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

If you're not voting Reform after what weve seen from tories and Labour there's something wrong with you.

[@tersecwalsingham5778]

@@sonofsomerset1695 🤣

[@ivanexell-uz4mv]

@@tersecwalsingham5778 nah he’s completely right

[@Lando-kx6so]

Exactly & there are several moderate tories who would rather support Labour or Lib Dems than farage & reform voters hate the tories as much as everybody else

[@cabinessenceking]

It's 5 years until next election so the analysis of what's going on and being said these days is not really of great relevance.

[@absta1995]

Elections can be heavily influenced years before the vote. This will be used as an attacking point alongside other things to try and win later, when people only vaguely remember the details

[@daniel117100]

yet weve had many more than 2 general elections since 2015

[@backstabba]

It can be declared earlier. Unless you are out of paper as Germany complains.

[@sk00p]

@@backstabba It would have to be mass protest for them to call a GE. They will call a no confidence on Starmer before they call a GE with how much power they have.

[@backstabba]

@@sk00p Probably. The petition is non binding. Farmers can do what they did in France though.

[@reaperz5677]

I don't think they'll "join forces" per se, the Torries are FAR too arrogant for that, but they would probably go into coalition if they had the chance.

[@jasonhaven7170]

The vote split prevents a coalition

[@justaboutaverage9558]

Don't think farage would do that unless he was promised leadership he's too arrogant too be just a deputy or a minister

[@ceejay1476]

​@@justaboutaverage9558wild of you to think the tories are even going to survive the next elections reform will just absorb all their vote

[@obliviator1]

@@justaboutaverage9558 too arrogant, he got 4 million votes and was the biggest party in a lot of demographics. Now that people realise reform is serious reform will just balloon

[@justaboutaverage9558]

@obliviator1 reform are as serious as Ed Davies, who knew that if you tell a certain demographic exactly what they want to hear they will vote for you

[@PWMoze]

It seems entirely unlikely that the various right wing factions will come together. Until an appropriate leader with a unifying message emerges they will be no more than a variety of disperate interest groups.

[@dalecrocker3213]

They need a Trump, in point of fact.

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

Farage is popular among both parties voters but that would require Tory leadership to swallow their pride

[@I_recommend_suicide]

Farage is that leader, it's just a matter of whether the existing leadership allows him to assume his rightful office.

[@PWMoze]

@@dalecrocker3213 That's exactly what I was thinking. Farage is too divisive and has too much baggage, Badenok is too attached to previous Tory failures, UKIP is too associated with Brexit and Tommy Robinson has a criminal record. Basically that leaves Jeremy Clarkson!

[@JimmyJr630]

@@TheAmericanPrometheusNo he isn’t, his economic policies are rubbish. People who are more centrist with economic policies but conservative in social issues won’t vote for him

[@MadKieranM]

British politics is broken as long we only have 2 parties capable of winning nothing is going to change.

[@SexKing-hj9nv]

No no, its working quite well and as intended, otherwise there would be democracy not just an illusion of such.

[@mitchverr9330]

"nothing is going to change" labour in the 2000s raise people out of poverty, homelessness at record lows, food poverty lows, no waiting lists on NHS, financial support systems not amazing but not evil, prisons doing okay. tories in the 2010/20ss, millions more in poverty to the point they have to redefine the meaning to try and save face, homelessness spikes and many members attempt to pass laws criminalising it because they dont want to see it, millions using food banks, 6 months to near 2 year waiting lists on NHS, financial support systems rigged against the most vulnerable to the point of disgusting actions like labelling people with 6 months to live as fit for work, removing access to wheelchair users to void their disability if they get in the building by being carried, prison system collapse. "nothing changes" right?

[@MicheleLLOYD-bk2mt]

I agree with you entirely. HOWEVER the picture is sadly much bigger than that. You have NOTHING LIKE a REAL Democracy - merely Vote, nothing more. THE GOVERNMENT IS SIMPLY NOT WORKING FOR YOU OR YOUR FAMILY…… IT’S INEFFECTIVE, SOCIALLY DIVISIVE AND GROSSLY INEFFICIENT 1. PERFORMANCE. For the past 10,20,30,40 or even 50 years, YOU, the people, have NOT GOT, what YOU Wanted, Needed, and Hoped for - WHICHEVER Party was “in Power” ! 2. ROOT CAUSE. The current Political “System”, was Never designed to Help YOU - Just the elites. 3. RESPONSE / GOAL. Replace the current system with a COMPLETELY NEW ONE - Designed to Help Us All ! (ie a REAL Democracy. NOT THE B/S you got now !) 4. SO…. FIND OUT what ALL the people Want and Need ( their “Visions” Not yours). Create a “Peoples Register of Visions”. Dead easy these days with technology and AI. 5. Your Party then develops Strategies, Policies and Methods to achieve the goals as defined in the “Peoples Register of Visions” - as per 4 above. 6. YOUR party then pledges to Deliver the Outcomes defined in the Register. 7. GET ELECTED……………Obviously, as the people WANT what you are offering. 8. Your Party empowers ALL of Parliament to work together to improve on the current policies/methods to Achieve the Peoples Visions as per the Register. 9. ALL OF PARLIAMENT WORK TOGETHER to Deliver the Visions/Goals/Outcomes in the Register - as required by the People. JOB WELL DONE 10. Get RE-ELECTED. -- No reason not to be…. You’ve served the people well……. You’ve now Retained the Treasury Benches, Along with the rest of the parliamentary members who have ALL been working together……….. 11. All of Government, All Parties, Continue to Serve the People and deliver THEIR WILL - NOT Your Party’s Will…………. 12. Results. No more idle/ broken party promises. No more pointless lies or U-Turns. No more pointless confrontation - only efficient parliamentary cooperation to achieve the Peoples Visions, NOT your Party’s. 13. FINAL HURDLE. Regardless of Party…..Compared with your Current MP, this will PROBABLY require a Very different Type of Person to become YOUR NEXT MP. One who is a Servant/Leader, NOT a Self-Serving (Party-Serving) “Career Hack”. OVER TO YOU NOW. YOU HAVE THE FORMULA……. NO MORE WATCHING………. Time to get Stuck In !!!!!

[@reheyesd8666]

Imagine winning elections with about 30% of the vote... Just a ridiculous system.

[@bbbf09]

depends on what you mean by 'nothing will change' . Brexit was a very big change - for the worse IMHO - but it was a change. Those that espoused it will say it didn't produce the change they wanted but they always were looking for an impossible unicorn - again IMHO. What peopel who use the phrase that you use is something immensely better than we have now. But such a revolution is extremely unlikely in teh world we live in. Even if you let in supposed radical Reform as the governmnet there would be little in way of radical difference after 5 years in gov and any change would likely be for the bad again.

[@yeeticus7206]

You’re overestimating the similarities between reform and the conservatives. Yes they’re both right wing, but the difference between populism and globalism is startling. Reform would have a better chance uniting with an economically left wing party who are culturally conservative (like the parties mentioned in your Conservative left video)

[@georgemather9082]

The tories are right wing? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@NRRB0nker5]

What earth do you live on that they aren’t ?

[@georgemather9082]

@ have you not seen the latest net migration figures? There’s your answer.

[@krisshnapeswanipeswani3190]

@@georgemather9082 migrations is not the onlyy right wing issue do you expect a magic wand

[@ivanivanovic5857]

​@@krisshnapeswanipeswani3190 Immigration Castrating children Printing infinite money Closing down all domestic manufacturing Jailing people for "homophobic comments" on Facebook Relentlessly pumping money into renewable energy when every other remotely right wing party in the world supports expanding nuclear energy production. Ah yes, typical right wing policy

[@rhyscruz]

@@NRRB0nker5Digitalized currency and PEP lists for banks, anti-gun, pro-mass migration

[@gameofender4463]

The Tories would probably have to give up ground to get an agreement with Reform. Basically, the Tories would probably have to withdraw from Wales completely (because Reform seem ahead of the Tories in Wales), and constituencies where Reform were 2nd. Then maybe Reform would withdraw from constituencies where they had no chance. But I think the Tories might be too stubborn to do that.

[@MrH1990s]

Reform, UK are currently pulling first in Wales at 38%, they are also gaining ground in Scotland, some polls suggest if a general election were held today before we could get 80-130 seats

[@gameofender4463]

@@MrH1990s I’ve not seen those polls. However if Reform came 1st in Wales (and by extension had a Reform First Minister) that would be a colossal change and massive boost to Reform.

[@cumbrianrailspotter6154]

​@MrH1990s It's nice to hear that and I'd love it if it happened. But look what happened in the estimates in the last GE. So I wouldn't trust it.

[@NerdKillerable]

@@MrH1990sReform could get a 10 to 15 seats in Wales parliament but not enough to actually govern. It is beyond crazy to believe that reform could get more than 20 seats at the next general election with the first past the post system. You are chatting utter rubbish

[@PrimitiveFuturologist_YTC]

@@MrH1990sWhich polls state that?

[@Startingoveragain-d4q]

Tories are part of the reason we’re in this mess in the first place.

[@hughjohns9110]

Part of the reason, yes. It is naive to suggest that they are the whole problem yet so many people do.

[@Kalendrian]

Exactly

[@chiefbeef9905]

If this does happen, which I doubt, I predict they'll get into power, then immediately collapse upon realising that in order to work together they actually need to agree on something other than "don't like Labour"

[@TheGeneralofMandalore]

They'll have to agree on something that isn't "We don't like Labour" or "Wah wah The Woke Mind Virus is oppressing us" bullshit and actually govern their damn country for once

[@morganpowell-atkins5206]

Did you watch the video? Reducing immigration and lowering taxes are the core agreements alongside wanting labour gone.

[@archvaldor]

Reform don't really believe in anything much except mild xenophobia.They would do a deal if they get to swan around in ministerial cars. I don't think the tories will offer them one though-labour will be so unpopular by 2028 they won't need to.

[@ivanivanovic5857]

​@@morganpowell-atkins5206 The tories don't want to reduce immigration. You you understand the concept of lying? They lied because they know it's what the people want. They didn't do it because they actively hate the British people.

[@ivanivanovic5857]

​@@archvaldor Reform doesn't believe in xenophobia. They believe in not committing genocide against the indigenous population.

[@Alt300]

Farage despises the torries to much for him to unite with them.

[@blazeentertainmen100]

He's said outright he would be open to leading them, if they concede to his main policy points

[@Alt300]

@ which will most likely never happen…

[@blazeentertainmen100]

@@Alt300 Given the broader shift to the right post Kemi, I wouldn't be so sure you know. Trumpism, supported by Musk's constant criticism of the Labour government on X, combined with the fact we've got five years to go with all of this-I really think it's in the realm of possibility, at least.

[@Jeevessss]

Farage is desperate to be a tory,

[@Seeyou45]

​@Jeevessss he isn't. He wants to drag them to the right, and actually be closer to their median Tory voter, and lead them but the Tories don't want either.

[@ZeroSonata]

It's a bit odd to say that this is an 8 minute video about the chances of the right uniting 7 minutes into the video... The last minute being just an ad read that don't actually really discuss those chances. I don't mind the ads, but it feels a bit disingenuous to say that the total video time is all about the main topic we clicked in for.

[@reheyesd8666]

Yeah, i am glad i wasn't the one who has noticed this. It's not just happening with TLDR channel but others like economics explained who gives an entire history of Ireland to explain what they could do with some excess money.

[@ricequackers]

UK politics will never be fixed until FPTP is abolished. Unfortunately it's something the big two will never do.

[@One_step_above_is_here]

And that's why you vote Green

[@henryblunt8503]

Basic rule of UK politics: Oppositions don't win elections, Governments lose them. "Uniting the Right", even if it could be done before 2029 (which I doubt), is besides the point.

[@chindit6784]

The split of tory and reform lead to a loss of quite a few safw tory seats. An organised united opposition would be needed to remove labour.

[@SubjectiveFunny]

@@chindit6784 You have NO idea where we will be in 4 years. IF things continue in this direction, Reform will win in a landslide, just like Trump. The world is about to change, hold onto your panties.

[@danuk500]

Labour won by default. They got far less votes than Corbyn even though he lost. The fact is Labour are on very shaky ground and can easily be toppled

Inheritance tax is evil. It should be abolished.

[@gameofender4463]

It depends on what happens in the local elections and the Scottish Parliament elections and especially the Welsh Assembly elections. If Reform do well, they’ll have less of a reason to do so. Especially if Reform get more seats than the Tories in Wales and Scotland. As they’d be able to claim that they’re the leaders of the right in Wales and Scotland.

[@davidcavan637]

I think given Farage being one of the arch brexiteers, and scotland being very adverse to brexit and quite left leaning in general reform will really struggle in scotland. But who knows.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Wales and Scotland are VERY left leaning compared to England though. Though even reliably Tory constituiences bordering Wales like Shropshire went Labour in the last GE.

[@egbront1506]

@@davidcavan637 Something like 30-40% voted for Brexit in Scotland. Plenty of ground for the loony right to plough.

[@Anonyomus_commenter]

@@mrvwbug4423The Scottish left is split tho between Labour and the SNP (the latter being the one who seem to be benefiting the most from labours unpopularity)

[@williampaine3520]

I actually think a good number of the Tory moderates are better aligned with starmer than their party tbh on alot of issues. Also, reforms whole selling point is that they are not the Torys. If they merge that will be gone. Also, it seems very likely to me that much of the remaining tory vote share is moderate voters who simply have no where else to go, therefore further moves to the right by the Torys would be disasterous for them.

[@zenokada2278]

Lib Dem’s got 12% of the vote while only running seriously in like a third of the seats The problem for the tories is how risky it is for them to move further right

[@williampaine3520]

Exactly my point :)

[@burburchacha]

it's baffling that there are still ppl who would vote Tory

[@sk00p]

Labour are looking like they will prove to be more incompetent. This country needs electoral reform, our system worked but now its infected by buyable politicians and lack of choice in voting

[@MorganLewis-q9q]

@@sk00p how are they proving that? they have clearly inherited a brutal task from decades of tory mismanagement, give them at least a year before judgement haha

[@SaintGerbilUK]

Tories can only deliver slow managed decline, Labour can do it faster.

[@Vaguepaperchasing]

@@MorganLewis-q9qThis question isn’t even asked in bad faith… Do you think Labour will improve and perform better than the conservatives ?

[@zexal4217]

@@Vaguepaperchasing Yes? By default they will given they're taxing rich and not NIMBYs.

[@EzekielDeLaCroix]

The multicultural and diverse right wing.

[@ChimpRiot]

The Tories don’t actually support lower immigration or taxes.

[@januszdelondres]

most moderate tories have joined the neo-liberal (new) labour party.

[@reheyesd8666]

And Labour are now just commies. Starmer is a commie and removing the kulaks.

[@januszdelondres]

@SDDT24 , moderate tory voters are beginning to realise how bad for the economy the tory party actually is.

[@edoardoturco8780]

@@SDDT24 Do you realize we are experiencing economic stagnation? Truss tried to lower the taxes and almost destroyed our economy... Stop blaming Starmer for the last fourteen years.

[@shadowstorm5261]

​@@edoardoturco8780 these people have tik tok brain and need instant results. They also have low compression skills

[@wentoneisendon6502]

​@@edoardoturco8780 the solution is more cheap labour 😂😂

[@Redflaggg]

This is a remarkably even handed look at the issue, from this channel. Well done.

[@intranix]

there are subtleties, and they are very biased in "real life", certainly very left leaning

[@EtherealTrader]

@@intranix noticed the same in previous videos

[@Wozza365]

@@EtherealTrader they are pretty open about being left leaning, especially on their podcasts they actively state that.

[@effluxi9587]

​@@intranixthis isn't really a surprise, they're a for the people independent news channel. The vast majority of "the people"'s best interests are on the left, even if they're not aware of it.

[@EtherealTrader]

@@Wozza365 True but at times I would say it's a bit more than just "leaning"

[@limer324]

Nah, they'll just fight amongst each other like they used to

[@Lando-kx6so]

Used to?

[@aQuestionator]

Bold of you to call the conservatives right wing

[@h-Qalziel]

How can you still stay that the Liberal Democrats are further right than Labour at 5:32. I can accept that you don't want to say Labour are currently a centrist party and still consider them left/ centre-left but you can't deny that the Liberal Democrats are on the left of Labour, whether that means they're still in the centre or are centre-left is debatable.

[@KanLuxiang]

Do you know why Truss & Badenoch are called "Libertarian Right"? From a US perspective, it doesn't make any sense. Our Libertarians are big on personal freedoms, so being anti-trans and anti-immigration would disqualify someone from being Libertarian.

[@dombo813]

In UK politics, individual MP policy is more important than party policy. The Lib Dems ran with a left wing party policy, but their actual MPs are mostly local NIMBYs, who tend to function as right wing by not wanting any of the progressive necessities like new houses to be built in their seats.

[@Anonyomus_commenter]

@@dombo813Are you implying Labour MPs aren’t? The part also has a strong youth wing who want more houses

[@trueNordVPN]

​@@KanLuxiang American libertarianism is dead. Although the US Republican party used to have libertarian elements, Donald Trump has molded them into right-wing populists who favor government intervention on social issues. However, the real problem isn't Trump, but the complete absence of viable political parties aside from the Republicans and their Democrat enemies.

[@KanLuxiang]

@@trueNordVPN yeah, I was specifically wondering about the UK's situation bc it doesn't make sense to me as an American. The US Libertarian party at least didn't nominate Trump (he asked at their convention) and booed him over his border policies. But if UK Libertarians are supporting Truss and Badenonch, then they are even more far gone than their US brethren.

[@tobeytransport2802]

I hope not. I’m not gunna sit here and say Starmer is marvellous but who can expect him to fix 14 years of economic mess in 6 months? What we really need is PR so everyone’s votes really count.

[@HeliumFreak]

If you think this budget is going to do that then you need to stop smoking the copium

[@l0lLorenzol0l]

That's true, but Starmer hasn't even tried to begin fixing the economic damage. If anything he has only made it worse.

[@tobeytransport2802]

@@l0lLorenzol0l Interesting take

[@unamedjoe830]

We diddnt expect him to fix it in 6 months... we expected him not to make it worse. Hes fucked it for himself.

[@Astropeleki]

Hahaha... oh man. Labour ain't the party you vote for if you want to fix the economy, is the one to get handouts. Only this time around, they won't even bother to do that.

[@MrLense]

If by some strange circumstance Farage does get into power. I doubt he'd want the job as it actually means working.

[@mike-A299]

He'd be the first Prime Minister to not turn up to the job lol. That's what people want apparently. Slackers love slackers.

[@anthonylulham3473]

@@mike-A299 thats very narrowminded; Hardworking people voted for reform too. get off that high horse, othering people is not how you make friends across the aisle.

[@mike-A299]

@anthonylulham3473 no they didn't. Bore off!

[@megazard5249]

​@@anthonylulham3473Those people may have been hard-working but they weren't smart.

[@davidmcintyre8145]

Farmers actually paid IHT until the 1980's

[@dertery8724]

Until 1992 in fact!

[@TechnaFox]

Why do you envy them so much you'd rather seem them destroyed? Also, IHT is a moral evil.

[@ScottFree-GB]

Remember Starmer said "Introduce no new taxes" That's his loophole, he can introduce old Taxes

[@thenneklkt7786]

Land was expensive back then, but nowhere near as expensive as it is now.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Yeah because they were used to doing it and had planned accordingly, not had it sprung on them when their profit margins are also much smaller. Only to give that money away to corrupt Ukraine or wasted on net zero virtue signalling while all the major countries do the opposite.

[@johnwelsh1606]

We've had 14 years of that so I certainly hope not but the tory party has moved to the right since Cameron lost the Bexit vote.

[@English_Dawn]

Fact:- Reform🇬🇧UK got 4 million votes, more than the LibDems but only 5 MP's. However they finished second to Labour in 98 seats. Pretty clear.

[@anthonylulham3473]

Lots of Red Wall voters just voted Red because they thought it was still the Workers party. Now they see what New New Labour is, A tax on Farmers, a tax on the Elderly and warmongering with Russia. the old Blue party only made them poorer, So " 'ate the Tories, simple as" will continue. The Cyan Party of Reform will likely sweep IF people stop voting 'tactically'. The tactical vote only keeps the incumbent 2 party system in power. 2029 Vote could be a landslide for reform if people vote true to their hearts and Reform dont fumble it.

[@Zenkrypt]

Funny how people seem to care about PR when their party lost. Boo hoo, suck it up.

[@WhichDoctor1]

Just for your information. 70% of the farmland in Britain is farmed by tenant farmers. Nearly three quarters of all British farmers will never pay inheritance tax on their land, because they don't own it, they rent it from someone much much richer than them. It's the people who the 70% of UK farmers pay rent to who were the ones protesting in London. It was essentially a protest by landlords

[@amethyst034]

Yeah, I was confused why he was calling them farmers. It’s common knowledge landlords own most agricultural land in the uk.

[@TechnaFox]

Evidence for claim? ​@@amethyst034

[@handlebar4520]

oh, so fuck the 30% and then that's alright is it? Perhaps the protest wasn't as transparent as it seemed but the policy itself is absurd

[@Bushflare]

"30% of British farmers will be made to pay inheritance tax on their land because they own it and will be faced with likely being forced to sell their family's land to someone much richer than them. It was essentially a protest by generational farmers." Fixed that for you. Even *if* your numbers are correct your logic is still tremendously flawed and driven by petty spite. In a desire to attack landlords you're comfortable with 30% of UK farmers being put in the firing line because their parents died and thus you think the government is entitled to the land which has belonged to them for in some cases longer than the Labour Party has even existed. It is the politics of envy and if Starmer actually wanted to target landlords he wouldn't be announcing his friendship with Blackrock. You've been conned.

[@Bushflare]

"30% of British farmers will be made to pay inheritance tax on their land because they own it and will be faced with likely being forced to sell their family's land to someone much richer than them. It was essentially a protest by generational farmers." Even if your numbers are correct your logic is still tremendously flawed and driven by petty spite. In a desire to attack landlords you're comfortable with 30% of UK farmers being put in the firing line because their parents died and thus you think the government is entitled to the land which has belonged to them for in some cases longer than the Labour Party has even existed. It is the politics of envy and if Starmer actually wanted to target landlords he wouldn't be announcing his friendship with multi-national landlord companies.

[@orangewitheyes]

Frankly I don't think they'll need to. Unless Starmer's ministry does a complete 180, the backlash against his ministry will be too strong for a Tory outright majority to not happen.

[@michaelgreen1515]

It's actually worth noting that the Green's have also been helping farmers because the farmers protests aren't just about the tax.... the Green's are often seen as to the Left of Labour!

[@pearceburns2787]

I feel like this could be summarised by "there is vote splitting on the right" which hasn't been NEW since Brexit was proposed.

[@slippyfish1819]

Minor nitpick but it’s likely that Clarkson showed up at those protests not because he’s right wing but because he owns and runs a farm and involved himself in the farming community as a whole

[@Mini-c137]

The tories should never be given the oppertunity to betray us again.

[@fliksc9786]

said as Labour betrays their voters 1by1

[@Think666_]

I just cannot vote for Farage or Reform because their policies often feel more like populist promises than well-thought-out plans, and I struggle to see how they would realistically address the complex challenges our country faces without creating new problems in the process.

[@allthenewsordeath5772]

Well it’s not like labor or the conservatives have proven remotely capable of solving the issues, at worse you would just be electing another maniac to drive the Laurie off the cliff.

[@Think666_]

​@@allthenewsordeath5772 You’re right, both Labour and the Tories have let us down in a lot of ways, and it’s frustrating to feel like none of the options are good ones. But I worry that just electing another ‘maniac’ risks making things worse. Maybe instead of focusing on who’s at the wheel, we need to figure out how to get any of them to actually listen to us. Otherwise they will just learn to adopt even more extreme lies to hook votes. Historically, though, when has supporting populism really worked out for us? Look at Brexit, great slogans, but we’ve been dealing with the fallout ever since. Or the Truss mini-budget, big promises, instant chaos. Even in the 1930s started with anti-immigration rhetoric and led to division. And then there’s the 1970s energy crisis, ignoring long-term planning for short-term gains didn’t help anyone. Countless more examples on this, but I can't help but feel that we have to learn from them!

[@jmiller7209]

Populism is just any popular position without elite support. Being populist doesn't inherently make something good or bad. I agree though, Reform's manifesto was more a wishlist than a clear costed plan. It's ok as an insurgent party but they need to professionalise in the next 5 years if they want to form the next government.

[@justaboutaverage9558]

​@@allthenewsordeath5772what so some diddy man who runs away to America the second he's given any sort of real power apart from being a blow dryer with a megaphone will do any better? Your delusional with that one

[@justthatguy-yq2py]

​@jmiller7209 to their credit that is what reform is doing ever since it's conference taking it from a limited company to a real political party

[@Olivebear6223]

Reform got shafted in the 2019 election because of that deal, so they won’t do that again. I think it’s fair Conservatives do that same deal but for Reform now

[@tersecwalsingham5778]

I think they would do it in a heartbeat to get labour out even if it was 'at their own expense'.

[@lewisbaitup6352]

They also shafted the only decent option for PM in decades, so i think theyre not that heart broken about it.

[@Olivebear6223]

@@lewisbaitup6352 I wouldn’t say shafted, like Jacob Rees Mogg said, “no party is entitled to votes”

[@lewisbaitup6352]

@@Olivebear6223 you litterally said that about reform tho lol. That's fast character devolopement right there.

[@Olivebear6223]

@@lewisbaitup6352 did I?🤔 Reform got shafted because Tories didn’t hold up their part of the deal afterwards

[@louisjefferies2733]

They won't they can't, there two in it for themselves to put in some sacrifices

[@nickmacarius3012]

I imagine that it will take 1 more general election of the right vote being split for the Conservatives and Reform to create a political alliance between themselves.

[@aaronquinn8241]

That Stuck Farmer sign is actually genius hahahahahaahah

[@rhyscruz]

Reform. The only conservative party according to Enlightenment Era standards

[@PhilipEgbe-y1j]

The Conservatives need leaders that is sincere enough to tell the people the brutal truth about the country and how to go about fixing it. I doubt if they have any at the moment

[@KartoffelHundin]

In Canada, the Reform Party merged with the Conservatives, but ever since, the new party has been dominated by Reformers

[@jackiekuforiji3714]

If they are working for the country, they will fight together on this occasion. Starmer and his cronies need to go.

[@theconqueringram5295]

This is the most badass TLDR title I've read in a while.

[@Rob-hy8vb]

People wouldn't be happy, we need a change and that includes getting rid of the two partys that have ruined this country for years

[@MirmeciaSubversiva]

Moderation is out off date since 1980 and not just in the West.....

[@takecourage92]

A lot of Tory voters hate Reform and vice versa. Starmer would have to be pretty awful to make them put aside their differences. Like, Liz Truss bad.

[@gj1234567899999]

Starmer is awful. He has been arresting grannies for Facebook posts while letting terrorists and rapists out of jail to make room. Absurdly evil stuff.

[@takecourage92]

@gj1234567899999 Cool absolutely none of that is true.

[@Bean_guy2]

@@gj1234567899999 yeah, and he beheads puppies for being white!

[@sk00p]

Lot of Tory voters voted Tories because they had no other option. If there was electoral reform and done on the percentage, you could see multiple parties form from The Conservatives.

[@takecourage92]

@@sk00p do you think? As I see it, Lib Dems and Reform did give them options

[@randomcon123]

I don’t get it… why doesn’t starmer just amend the policy to only those landowners who are passing on their lands to their offspring but are not farming on those lands…

[@danuk500]

Because money

[@Deadeye012011]

Because its a land grab Starmer plans to hand off the land to his mate Larry Fink in exchange for bribes.

[@UnoriginalHandle69]

Idk why, but starmer and helping the poor has turned into the entire commons whipping the corpse of the poor

[@wakey87]

Too much bad blood with the Tories, should just step aside for Reform.

[@CyberController-]

Given who the new Tory leader is (or rather, one very surface thing about her) I doubt Reform will openly align with them.

[@Guniko-l2c]

We swung 6 votes to greens and will never go back to labour

[@jos9105]

So Alienating a huge part of the conservative faction and defect?

[@BlunderCity]

They don't need to unite to defeat Starmer, they just need to get out of each other's way. That means withdrawing their candidate in some key constituencies

[@numa2444]

Farmers protests haven’t been entirely right wing… Ed Davey and Lib Dem MPs have supported them too!

[@lp90abc]

They shouldn't. The Tories just lost power and are already competitive with Labour, because of how bad of a PM Starmer is.

[@andyszlamp2212]

Why can't farm products go to the NHS powered by geothermal energy from Iceland?

[@crash.override]

Do you smell burnt toast?

[@EthanKnight97]

Neither the Tories or Reform are truly patriotic or even right wing.

[@j8816k]

Maybe I'm wrong on this one, but shouldn't the leader of a British "conservative" party actually be British? Or, at the very least, European?

[@jackdelaney1054]

You should look at the Canadian creation of the modern Conservative Party. I believe Farage even admitted that his Reform party is loosely based on the Canadian Reform Party. The Reform Party of Canada(later Canadian Alliance) was also the more populist of two right wing parties. The moderate party being aptly named the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. They merged in 2003 under Stephen Harper and formed government from 2006 to 2015.

[@VinceHere98]

An alliance of both the Tories and Reform is rather unlikely, given how Farage is viewed as stubbornly arrogant by many the Tories themselves. If they were to form an alliance, however, they would likely still lose, because there would still be a bunch of infighting on which party should be leading. And besides, wouldn’t Labour do the same by forming an alliance with the Greens and Lib-Dems? In all honesty, despite the hardships he is facing, I feel as though Starmer will continue to be Prime Minister for 5 years. That is unless he runs into a much bigger problem down the road.

[@ErmisSouldatos]

Bold of you to assume Tories are right wing

[@solvdev]

they are...

[@ErmisSouldatos]

@@solvdev no they are the smae as Labour

[@megazard5249]

Labour is fucking right wing. What makes you think the Torirs aren't? 😂

[@solvdev]

@@ErmisSouldatos sure buddy

[@bobmcbob9856]

Labour could have easily put an annual income requirement for people to be taxed in this way and not caused this problem to begin with. Silly policy if you ask me.

[@lesleylamy]

They will still not win, not enough seats, and Tories will still be in charge, can you imagine the chaos ,

[@oweng7987]

The Tories are centre Left now. Reform is centre right at best. We want the ACTUAL right to come to the fore.

[@Lucafincato]

As an American but also big Farage fan can someone explain something to me. There is a petition going around with 2.5 million signatures as of right now to have a general election. Does this ever happen before? Could it happen with the Peterson ah ing so much support? Thanks and go reform!!

[@cfehunter]

0:59 Regardless of which side you take on the farmer issue. You have to respect that sign work.

[@Discount-Stonks]

1:46 “how do you do, fellow farmers?”

[@falkevanlaere]

Starmer is defeating himself already

[@xither1944]

How so?

[@PacificDeep]

​@@xither1944 with his radical reforms

[@falkevanlaere]

​@@xither1944his approval rating is in free fall, and it has been falling for a while Getting gifts from wealthy donors probably didn't help very much

[@aktolman]

@@xither1944 by doing things that are incredibly unpopular, a budget that will do the opposite of what they say it will and will likely bring back inflation, and stop investment. There is quite a big list when you break it down :)

[@PrimitiveFuturologist_YTC]

@@PacificDeepWhich radical reforms?

[@GeekHelix]

I read the title and thought to myself: "Why would Reform join Labour to defeat Starmer...?" Then remembered that people aren't ready for that hot take yet...

[@judeavision8807]

The national left is what the establishment truly fears.

[@monkeh86]

They definitely SHOULD unite. But probably won't. Older voters will automatically vote Conservative, so Reform won't get those voters. But younger voters will go for Reform. So if they just put aside their egos and stood under the same banner, they'd definitely get a decent majority in the next election.

No dont let the tories in again. They also have immigrants in their ranks.

[@humphrey4976]

Labour and conservative are the same party now. I hate we have no other choice.

[@Music-oi2nf]

Have you also clocked the fact that Farage is also part of the same deal?

[@handlebar4520]

true

[@humphrey4976]

@ yes

[@wc8246]

Why do you lie like this?

[@simontemplar404]

Thank's for the Russian propaganda perspective. "Everything is hopeless, just vote for the criminal strong man in power, nothing will change".

[@EvHocks]

Kinda feel like reform has everything to lose from uniting with the tories. They're whole thing is that the establishment is broken and we need radical change. The tories represent the establishment at the moment. Whilst they'd probably agree and support each other on many issues uniting may lose faith in both parties, moderate tories think why we agree with the extremists and reformists wonder why we siding with the establishment. The only possible way I could see them uniting is if Farrage ends up as leader of the tory party under the guise of rebuilding the right of Britain.

[@thsxi]

It can, but I’m not voting conservative after what they’ve done, we need reform

[@endlesssabbatical9612]

If Farage acquiesces to the Tories he will be subsumed into the, and lose his position, why would he do that? This isn’t about policy it’s about power and who holds it

[@pairedsoles2822]

The Tories and Labour have more in common with each other than with reform. Both parties had same beliefs on covid and lockdowns, on mass immigration, on Net0, agenda 2030 and agenda 2050. Reform are yet to put forward any clear vision for the UK moving forward

[@lipingrahman6648]

If there is to be any coalition the Conservatives must occupy a subordinate position relative to reform. So there will be no coalition.

[@FutureDictator69]

Tories? Right wing? How are people still going along with this? They are left wing open your eyes

[@zachfevans]

Most Reform voters in Wales would never vote Tory

[@xemorr]

idk if they do all agree immigration should be lower and taxes should be lower - they do on paper but in practice when they're elected they do neither of these things.

[@SocietyofarchiveFootage]

The best thing that could happen is that We could see some kind of coalition type government like in Australia with Nationals and Liberal Party

[@Kalendrian]

No they won't and can't. With Labours huge majority in the commons they don't stand a chance. Only way is to win a vote of no confidence in the government. Petitions and things like that will have no effect.

[@EdwardMorgan-gf8bk]

1:10 Didn’t know the Chancellor of the Exchequer was a RACECAR!

[@shapexon3322]

It’s kinda tough considering the conservatives are on the moderate left.

[@karankapoor2701]

If kemi wants to be the PM she'll definitely have to form an alliance with farage else they won't be in government under current UK government system ....

[@DavidJBradshaw]

They personally hate each other

[@PrimitiveFuturologist_YTC]

What a ludicrous premise.

[@TechnaFox]

No anchor babies, thanks.

[@myaltaccountthatiwillbarel2288]

​@@TechnaFoxAnd then you all gasp and act shocked when you get called racist?

[@views-be6kb]

@@PrimitiveFuturologist_YTCwhy?

[@indefatigable8193]

I think labour should allow a challenge to it and upon review just waive it. That will fix this.

[@PIASOC]

‘Moderate vs Right’. No. ‘Nationalist vs Globalists’. Yes. ‘Conservatives vs Neo-Liberals’. Yes.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Problem is right now, nationalism is killing Britain. Brexit is the worst self-inflicted wound in British history. The UK will become a 3rd world country if they keep this nationalist bent going. You're never going to turn a de-industrialized western country with high labour costs and a strong currency back into a large scale manufacturing economy ... unless you turn it into a dirt poor 3rd world cheap labour pool. Given how poor most jobs in the UK pay, they're already halfway there.

[@myaltaccountthatiwillbarel2288]

Look, little Jimmy's discovered his first buzzwords to foam at the mouth of anyone he doesn't like. Maybe next, he'll discover WEF or puppet or George Soros, that way complex politics can be easily turned into a game of us vs them with everything and everyone you don't like secretly being evil conspiracies trying to take over earth to pave the way for the lizard people's arrival.

[@Zenkrypt]

​@@mrvwbug4423 exactly, many Tory voters would never vote for them again if they united, as many Tory voters were pro-EU, and many still are. People seem to forget that Cameron's party was pro-EU.

[@judeavision8807]

​@@mrvwbug4423globalism is killing britain. Your country was always run by globalists and they had to punish you for voting for brexit Does that sound fair? Is that really the side you want to reward?

[@davidwalker2829]

Only way to win is joining forces,don’t stand in either safe seats..

[@Grannysgolf]

Lib Dems were there too, Ed Davy even spoke.

[@jeffreyzervos6938]

Britain needs to actually get conservative MPS until they do no matter who you vote for its liberal around and that's the problem

[@Mr.DalekLK]

A few months in and the Conservatives are already catching up with Labour...

[@bennygoodmanisgod]

Why can’t British people have boring and stable politics for a change?

[@SubjectiveFunny]

I want nothing to do with that woman. She does not represent the right, not even in the slightest.

[@discreetvortex8237]

The lib dems agreed with the conservatives and reform about the farmers, dosent mean they will unite with the right.

[@josejoao1621]

Not sure how conservatives will make it right. But all I know is that Labour is not going to govern more than 1 term. That to me is quite obvious…

[@getnohappy]

Have to hand it to Farage; 1%er privately educated banker and career politician who rides the gravy train for all it's worth, yet he's "an outsider". Well, maybe credit to Farage and fact leaded petrol wasn't banned until 2000.

[@DoggleBird]

@getnohappy Farage worked for a bank, but he has never worked as a banker. He's certainly not a career politician as he has worked outside of politics for much of his life.

[@hayhayhay96]

5.30 i would argue labour's actions have proved they are more right than lib dems.