Why the EU is Copying the UK’s Rwanda Policy

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The EU's new migration pact seeks to deport rejected asylum seekers to third countries, mirroring trends like the UK's Rwanda plan. This video explores the growing popularity of such deportation schemes, examining their effectiveness.
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0:00 Intro
1:24 Context
5:05 Europe's Deportation Schemes
7:49 Why They Don’t Work
11:13 Conclusion
11:36 Sponsor

[@andreasi8741]

As a Cypriot I appreciate the highlighting of the number of asylum seekers in Cyprus while contrasting it with the small population of the island.

[@Thanos1908]

Τουλαχιστον για εσας τα λενε...εμας μας εχουν χεσμενους, χρονια τωρα..

[@Alex-it7ms]

Does Turkish Cyprus take them too or is it just the real part?

[@Lozano.Official]

The turkish bastards push them into Cyprus (Real Cyprus) so the cypriots have to tate care of them, and Cyprus has not been the same since...

[@andreasi8741]

@@Alex-it7ms Actually the occupied side is weaponised by Turkey to send illegal immigrants to the areas controlled by the republic of Cyprus. Basically Turkey sends them to the occupied areas and instructs them to illegally cross the UN-buffer zone so that they can apply for asylum to the Republic of Cyprus.

[@-haclong2366]

​@@andreasi8741 Smart strategy, the new Muslim inhabitants of Greek Cyprus could call for unification under Turkish demands, then Turkey will deport both the Greeks and new migrants creating a fully Turkish island.

[@ems4884]

I think public opinion has been slowly shifting on this issue because the immigration crisis has shown no signs of ending.

[@Incc8qpwe2]

Or Russian bots are successful 😉

[@alexlloyd5354]

I am an American so I do not really understand the European Perspective but in the US, immigration is treated differently. While we do have our share of xenophobia, generally the more time that passes the more pro-immigration we as a country feel about them. From the Irish to the Italians to the Chinese, Vietnamese, and now Latin American, all of the above ethnic and cultural communities have or are undergoing/gone some form of the above process. So what seperates that sentiment from the european trends on immigration?

[@badnation1776]

People are coming here with no intention of contributing to society, they come because of the benefits and social housing. Rape rates, as well as crime as a whole has been increasing massively in Europeans countries with immigrants coming in (just google the crime rates in the Netherlands). I want to be clear that I have absolutely no issue with legal migration when people are genuinely looking for a better life and are willing to put in the work for it. @@alexlloyd5354

[@jeffsterling2809]

@@alexlloyd5354 The difference is you have hardworking South American immigrants with similar beliefs and values. We have people who come from theocratic dictatorships, where people accused of desecrating the Quran and women accused of adultery get publicly stoned to death and this has high support. They have high unemployment rates and refuse to work menial jobs which strains our economies taking care of them. We spend 6 million a day in the UK putting illegal immigrants in hotels. The biggest issue is their extreme Islamic theocratic values are directly incompatible with democratic secular society. They take full advantage of the freedom of all religions whilst having zero respect for it. They riot in Sweden for not having Islamic blasphemy laws, not treating the Quran as sacred and not accepting or respecting the new land they live in. Recently arrived middle eastern/north african are also responsible for 83% of the gang rapes in Sweden and very rarely get deported or even arrested. They see women showing some skin and believe that means they want sex and don't take no for an answer. Look up the Cologne NYE rapes 2015 and Swedish sexual assault statistics. People are sick of Policitcans refusing to act on this issue to avoid looking racist and doing nothing about people, some who are even former ISIS members, being allowed to stay in the country and given citizenship. It's gotten so bad that no one can turn a blind eye anymore.

[@Zeus1845]

@@alexlloyd5354what? i’m in SoCal and i can tell you rn that immigration is shifting more right. Even immigrants from South American countries are sick and tired of those who force their way in here demanding stuff. Not just the ones who came here legally, but even those who didn’t come here legally. It’s a mixed bag, but it’s not becoming more “pro-immigrant” at all. Especially in Texas where even Mexican migrants, as an example, are not wanting anymore to come in.

[@casperghst42]

There have been raised voices in Denmark about opting out of the UN refugee convention, making these schemes legal(ish).

[@firstpostcommenter8078]

That would be good. I don't support it but atleast countries/governments should have the balls to do it instead of signing up for the UN refugee convention and then not following it. Thats worse. Countries will then atleast stop the pretence. And also ofcourse loose any moral high ground to lecture other countries like China and instead mind their own business.

[@walli6388]

It's legal even with the UN treaty. You just need to provide a secure environment in Rwanda.

[@tryagainnoob101]

At this point, given how these people are abusing the safety we try to provide worldwide, this is probably the best solution. UN is a bag full of air and same goes for most international entities (remember WHO hiding details from the world to defend the Chinese?). EU as a whole should drop out of those international agreements and take action alone, taking into account only the interests of the EU. Globalization failed. The rest of the world is not willing to evolve like the West. We need to give up and look out for ourselves.

[@Ladies.and.Gentlemen]

As a dane, this proposal is welcomed by the majority of the population. No doubt if it was put to a vote it would pass. However popular opinion doesn’t always translate to policy, even in the 6th most democratic country (according to The Economist Democracy Index)

[@Nxck2440]

@@firstpostcommenter8078I doubt that will stop them lecturing China, they’ll just sound even sillier now.

[@bryantbeuth1255]

When millions of fighting aged men are on the move as they're allegedly in danger but leave women, children and the elderly behind, you really must question the reality of the stories imho. And if they're desperate to reunite with their families help them with a one way ticket home .

[@rosshilton]

It’s called an invasion. It’s how Islam was spread.

[@graceomalley4]

One time everyone had to leave Ireland to get jobs. Fighting age men and all. For generations. Men would work abroad (us/uk) and send money home. No danger. Leaving to survive. What danger are you talking about???

[@westernhowler8985]

@@graceomalley4 what about all the women and girls they rape

[@prestongarvey2285]

@@graceomalley4then why are they saying they’re asylum seekers and not economic migrants

[@fionduffield2049]

EU to the UK “what you’re doing is wrong & illegal” The rise of right wing parties all over Europe because of immigration policies EU to UK “what you’re doing is brilliant we’re in” Politics 😂

[@stephenguilfoyle5737]

Exact same thing with the US. They criticize us until they have they same problems and realize that we're right

[@WillyJunior]

The rise of right wing parties is only partly due to immigration. It's also due to the spread of radical left ideology.

[@remi_gio]

No. Right wing governments within the EU only.

[@gg-ps1vz]

@@WillyJunior They aren't being deleted by a person, they're censored by KZbin itself. You need to get comment search add on to view them. It's annoying

[@e33d90]

Yep dumb suicidal hypocrisy, it is already way too late for any comprehensive solution

[@bananenmusli2769]

7:40 "Interior Minister of the Austrian Empire". That thing ended in 1866

[@herospeedy3174]

it still lives on! 😂

[@RazorMouth]

That's what you think..... Muaaahhahahahaahaha

[@armintargaryen9216]

Lmao

[@nothereandthereanywhere]

Coming up next - Austria-Hungarian Empire :D

[@andrewjones-productions]

I find it incredulous that someone on the TLDR team still thinks that Austria is an empire. It doesn't say much for the level of education in whatever UK country that person comes from. I stopped watching at this point.

[@ochi1133]

This is an example of countries and people taking advantage of the good will and humanity of western countries. Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE could easily take in refugees from Syria, Palestine or other war torn middle eastern countries, but don't.

[@VYZD846]

Because they don’t care 😂 and don’t want these refugees ruining their countries

[@quAdxify]

Yet they are very happy to finance the warmongers so that it lasts, but hey they successfully lobbied their way out of media spotlight apparently...

[@theprovost]

Uncontrolled Illegal migration is the biggest deterrent to legal migrants, who go through the system, build their skills and often wait long times to migrate

[@San_Vito]

Not really. It's *far* easier to get a job when you're a legal migrant. I'm from Argentina and have friends that migrated legally to Europe (Spain, Netherlands, Luxembourg and Germany) and all of them are doing really well and none is complaining about illegal immigrants.

[@AB-zl4nh]

It's not uncontrolled. Because we are processing and deporting illegal migration. By definition It's controlled.

[@kevink7529]

I am a legal immigrant and because of illegal immigration from my country I had my visa rejected to visit my girlfriend in Europe. After long distant dating when we finally got married, I still had to wait months for a visa. I wanted to invite my sibling to visit me here in Germany and the Germans didn't give her visa citing "she won't return". Meanwhile she lives in Canada and has permanent residency there..why would she not return back? She has a husband in Canada. I haven't been able to invite my parents for over 5 years just to visit me. Forget about bringing them here to live with us. I have the skills but the people from my country have broke the employers trust so much that the moment they see my citizenship country, they'll throw the application away. So just because your friends aren't complaining doesn't mean others aren't complaining either. There's a reason people don't see Europe as a permanent destination, it's just a stop gap until they move to a better country.

[@EvanJGMegson]

@@San_Vitobecause they are immigrants themselves

[@emotivelyy_]

@@San_VitoThey should stop invading their countries ffs

[@IpernickTheGreat]

You are leaving out a few things with the Italy and Albania deal. First of all, Rama gave an interview for the Italian newspaper "La Stampa" the day after the deal was signed where he said that the arrangement won't solve the migration crisis and that he did just because Meloni asked him. According to the deal, the asylum seekers will be allowed to reside in these location centers for about 2 years before being sent back to Italy. Italy will get these migrants back regardless if their application is denied or accepted making this extra step useless. Finally, the Albanian national court claimed that the deal goes against the Albanian constitution so what you described definitely won't happen. Both Rama and Meloni acknowledged it although it was a lot less talked about.

[@amauryleblanc7979]

Thanks for the extra contest. But the unconstitutionnality of this scheme might not be enought to deter the Albanian rulers, depending on what they hope to get out of it.

[@Doge811]

You clearly don't know what you are talking about, the key point here is IF they are refugees they'll get back to Italy........ But 90% of arrivals are not refugees to begin with this is literally the data of Italy so they don't have the right to go back to Italy........ So let me specify: 90% who would otherwise disappear illegally in Italy if they are deported in Albania while their application is processed cannot anymore, it's ridiculous how leftist all belive they know everything while they don't have any idea of what they are talking about. Like tunisia which actually stopped more than 60000 people and libya did too (while PD doesn't want any agreement) if it was for leftist we would have far higher numbers. This would solve the problem alone? Obviously no but better than doing the opposite which is the official policy of the left and a lot of the EU....

[@amoral_minority]

Doesn't surprise me. It's always virtue signaling instead of actual policy-making with these people. And their supporters buy it.

[@strife2746]

This is false. The Albanian court suspended the deal to determine IF it breaches their constitution. That conclusion has not been drawn as of yet.

[@pritapp788]

Populism doesn't deal well with legal realities and the rule of law.

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

Hungary has said all along that they will not take any asylum seekers, especially if they're Muslim.

[@luvthabeatz]

Smart move as Muslims never integrate…

[@malogibeaux4946]

@@amatyaucran2214 Xenophobic policy that has doen nothing good. Actually hungary's reject of migrant made everything worse for every other country.

[@michaekrynicki8330]

@@malogibeaux4946 so evil not wanting bunch of ilegal forigners with difrent culture not in youre country

[@malogibeaux4946]

@@amatyaucran2214 Prove me that jihadist are coming because of immigrationa nd that these policies have stopped them from coming. ANd no it didn't help with anything. ANd lastly labelling entire ethnicities as "jihadist" is a racist stereotype.

[@drscopeify]

@@malogibeaux4946 Muslim culture has seen European culture for millennia as an enemy and will eventually end with a clash of cultures that could turn in to violent uprisings across Europe, just observe the Arab spring. The clash of cultures is not about race, racism, education but about a fundamental mismatch of cultures. The very strange relation today between Secular/Atheist and non religious left and support for Islam is a moral underdog support story but this will fade away as the culture war boils over and turns violent. When the left realizes they made a grave error and indeed the cultures are not able to coexist it will be too late.

[@KelticStingray]

This issue will only get worse. It will never get better. The EU must be a strong united front with clear border force and not afraid to take unateral action against countries facilitating this.

[@e33d90]

Wayyyyy too late buddy

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

​@@e33d90 Nah. It is slowly working. The problem is the establishment is dragging their feet since they don't want to do this. Geert Wilders in the Netherlands literally said that those immigrants breaking the law will simply get airplaned back to their country. Remove the establishment and border control will be much easier to enforce.

[@peterruf1462]

The EU will continue to facilitate this and take unilateral action against anyone who truly wants to stop it

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

@@peterruf1462 Not if AfD tears it down, of course.

[@peterruf1462]

@@Wendeta-hq2cp Sadly the next time the CDU will win. AfD in 6 years.

[@alexgregory5583]

How is it possible that it costs MORE to send asylum seekers to a third country than it is to let them remain in the UK? What costs contribute to this? Beyond the flights, surely housing, food and general cost of living is significantly cheaper in the long run? Especially if claims are taking > 1 year to process. Genuine question

[@Kaizen917]

The fact that they rely on a relatively corrupt government to determine the costs (material or otherwise) to accept them. Even without being dodgy, they act as a subcontractor type of party where they would want to have their mark-up(profit) of going through the trouble. A lot of firms would often pay silly prices for services to be done externally when they can happily say to themselves "at least I dont have to deal with the fiddly bits myself" .So yeah, if you divide the total bill by the number of agreed migrants to be taken, the figure can get scary.

[@leolinguini260]

I don't think Rwanda accepts to have migrants sent their way out of the good of heir hearts. Part of the deal involves being paid to take them on. That's where the cost comes from.

[@aightm8]

The 3rd country is doing it for the money, or else what would be the point.

[@dariusdareme]

Also criminality. See on why Stockholm became the rape capital of Europe.

[@mursefaneca]

A significant chunk of them are housed in 4 and 5 star hotels alongside being given money.

[@fabiogoncalves5953]

Not related to this matter, but just an idea: it would be nice if you do a video at the end of each EU council presidency to know what was done during those 6 months of presidency. That way we could keep track of what is being done at EU level.

[@DwarfInBlues]

I might be misunderstanding something, but aren't refugees/asylum seekers entitled to this status at the FIRST border crossing? Any further and they are merely migrants. To arrive at Europe the people in question had to pass at least Egypt / Morocco / Tunisia , which are not their originating countries. Therefore, by my understanding, absolute most of them can be deported to locale of entry, because it is not the country of origin.

[@ivani3237]

Tunisia/Morocco doesn't care at all

[@theanarkiddie4569]

No, that’s not how that works. Article 31 of the 1951 refugee convention reinforces the previously established right to freedom of movement to cross national borders and claim refugee status in any country, including if you entered illegally: “1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence. 2. The Contracting States shall not apply to the movements of such refugees restrictions other than those which are necessary and such restrictions shall only be applied until their status in the country is regularized or they obtain admission into another country. The Contracting States shall allow such refugees a reasonable period and all the necessary facilities to obtain admission into another country.”

[@the80386]

refugee movements are not restricted to the initial safe country. this is deliberately done to avoid overburdening any single country. after a crisis, there's usually only one obvious and convenient point of entry to safety (due to geography, distance, infrastructure etc). consequently, the country that happens to have that entry point gets overburdened. this is why further movement is allowed(even encouraged in some cases), so that refugees can spread out to other bordering countries and beyond, thereby easing pressure on the initial country.

[@jurassiccraft883]

it depends on why you are trying to get to Europe; for example, if you're openly gay you are unsafe in all of those countries

[@moritamikamikara3879]

@@jurassiccraft883 This is a good point, but if ALL of these people are openly gay, I think there's a bigger problem.

[@hed0rizer]

I do find it hilarious that you chose the title "Interior Minister of the _Austrian Empire_", well done 😂

[@jakobneufeld8730]

Yes like I mentioned, great videos, but they need to do some more research on some basic facts. I mean they never cover Austria and it makes sense because its an irrelevant country in the world stage, but some basic things are not so difficult to get right.

[@kaiserfranzjoseph9311]

@@jakobneufeld8730 austria is far more relevant than like 90% of countires they regularily cover

[@panzerofthelake506]

​@@kaiserfranzjoseph9311culturally very relevant, but irrelevant when it comes to geopolitics as it's a small central European country

[@kaiserfranzjoseph9311]

@@panzerofthelake506 Cyprys, Serbia or Ireland arent excactly geopolitical powerhouses either

[@ff-uf5zf]

​@@panzerofthelake506 Well like the emperor himself said in the comments earlier, they cover countries like Ireland which are culturally relevant but are not "geopolitical" powerhouses. I mean unfortunately, an important topic to cover is the scary rise of the FPÖ in Austria (far right party). Even though Austria is not relevant politically, the FPÖ can lots of things in the EU like Hungary.

[@jarahM]

By way of correction, Nauru, though in Australia's sphere of influence, it is geographically not a location boat pushbacks end up. Boat push backs occur in areas outside Australia's migration zone (this was also changed to affect the migration deterrence policies) and often result in the Australian Navy providing rigid lifeboats to asylum seekers on the high sea (international waters) where they are then "pushed back" to Indonesia or Sri Lanka (the initial jump off points on their passage to Australia). Australia sends migrants that land in Australia (or are already in Australia) to Nauru, though this policy has become seldom used in recent years.

[@new_memeplex]

Thanks for such clear & succinct info - I was wondering about exactly this as I was watching.

[@JewTube001]

It's more of a conservative policy right now we have a labor government so Nauru isn't in the news as much as it use to

[@zen1647]

It's also misleading to quote a $4M per asylum seeker number as the number of asylum seekers has declined so much. As a tax paying Australian I feel it still offers value as it deters queue jumpers.

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

@@JewTube001you mean liberal you yank

[@Sparky5960]

Australia 🇦🇺 has excellent ways to stop illegals

[@garethbrown9191]

Austrian Empire? Wishful thinking of Habsburgs!

[@samrijijkot]

yea, wtf was that about? a prank?

[@nifrain9494]

@@samrijijkot I hope its a prank and not some horrible google translation the made ÖsterREICH into EMPIRE haha

[@ehannasir8464]

lol thats what i was thinking

[@Fallout3131]

For the empire!!

[@e33d90]

One day europe will be united under the habsburg HRE

[@ginojaco]

No surprise that no mention was made anywhere at all of the fact that the vast majority of people in the UK - and elsewhere - simply never did and still don't want mass immigration. After all, what possible bearing could that have on the matter...?

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

Who cares what the people want and don’t want. The people that claim to be over this continue to vote for more of this! They let the politicians flood their countries with invaders and rappers and do nothing about it.

[@e33d90]

Large part of the electorate has been ignored for decades

[@dennis2376]

I can see the immigration problem, around the world, leading to a serious push back. Also the problem could lead to countries becoming destabilized by immigration.

[@Raistlin2k]

They are already destbilized thats why the right is winning all over europe. Russland and Belarus are flying migrants now for years in the eu to destaplize it and turkey is using them as leverage against the eu.

[@radjalomas8854]

That seems to already be the case

[@roranoazoro6961]

i can genuinely understand your thought process. The issue you didnt seem to point out is that Most of the places that these migrants come from are over exploited pockets for mineral resources that the west uses up

[@guyh9992]

I remember watching an Australian current affairs show in 2015 with Warren Mundine on one side and three European journalists on the other who seemed to hold the Pollyannaesque view that opening up the borders to refugees would solve "world peace". They simply would not listen to Mundine's view that the process needs an orderly queue or it would lose the support of the people in the host countries. The timeline presented in this video is wrong. The Pacific Solution of offshoring in Nauru and Manus was implemented by Australia in the early 2000s to stop the journey by small boats that was risky for both the asylum seekers and the Navy personnel intercepting them. It worked until the Rudd Labor government dismantled it in 2008 leading to around 1200 asylum seekers dying before 2013. The boats stopped with the policy of turn back adopted after 2013. The cost of $4 million per person is meaningless when there are few asylum seekers actually held on Nauru due to the effectiveness of the combined turn back/offshore policy. Finally, Australia differentiates between "migrants" and "asylum seekers" in order to maintain public confidence in the system. Asylum seekers arrive through the humanitarian queue. Those who arrive by boat take the place of refugees who qualify through the UNHCR queue. Migrants arrive through the immigration system and are separate to asylum seekers.

[@NoidoDev]

I can't tell you how much I hate people like these "European journalists" as a European.

[@lesleyosborne9319]

Half of these people in the UK claiming Asylum are Getting on Planes and Going HOME for XMAS!. They are Not Genuine and Should not be Allowed back. What a joke.

[@pascallaw5909]

All economic migrants

[@thevoiceofreason2153]

3:00 That is incorrect. According to the UN Protocols on the Status of Refugees, the assylum seekers have to ask for assylum in the first safe country in which they arrive.

[@vorong2ru]

this is not obligatory. And the reason is- there are sometimes too many refugees to land in the same country when there is a war. Just like Poland alone wouldn't cope with 6+ mln Ukrainian refugees and they had to go further to europe. But you're right, the person coming through a safe country should be invited to proceed further, not just go straight where they want. Just like when UK announced Home for Ukranians specifically inviting ukranians .

[@nothereandthereanywhere]

You may want to read the UN charter again..

[@thevoiceofreason2153]

It is obligatory, that is why you have the UN Protocols. The UN has the obligation to arrange for the distribution of the refugees. @@vorong2ru

[@sbl17jackson37]

Hungary and Poland have every right to deny entry to illegal immigrants or asylum seekers. No country has any right to dictate the immigration policies of other countries.

[@ietomos7634]

No country does. Then again the EU isn't a country.

[@jokbok995]

But that’s not fair to the other countries That’s why funds should be blocked Do you think every country wants to accept migration?

[@ietomos7634]

@@jokbok995 Fairness Is not everyone getting the same, it's everyone getting what they deserve. Why should Europe suffer because France and Germany want endless low wage immigrants?

[@Buraztebra]

@@jokbok995 if you don't want to comply with the rules you agreed to with joining the EU then maybe you shouldn't be in the EU

[@Zzzooooppp]

@@Buraztebraok then kick them out if you think Germany will accept less cheap tenporary labour

[@jonathanfontaine2325]

It is a bit disingenuous to list "WEAK DETERRENT" in all caps boldface, and then proceed to explain this as "It's not clear that these policies to work as a deterrent.". Note that Australia's 2013 boat turnback policy has massively reduced illegal immigration. It does not seem unreasonable to expect an EU policy of immediate deportation to, say, Rwanda to have a similar effect. It certainly seems premature to dismiss the option outright. As for Europe not having an island in its vicinity like Australia has Nauru; most illegal immigrants to Australia used to arrive on the north coast of Western Australia. The distance from there to Nauru is roughly the same as from Italy to Rwanda.

[@dahorn100011]

Without doing ALL of the research. My guess is most of illegal Australian immigration comes from Visa Fraud [false papers supplied to land someone] or people coming into the country on tourist visas then working illegally after the fact.

[@e33d90]

Tldr needs to find some form of copium

[@smokeythebear1633]

The whole channel is disingenuous

[@fintonmainz7845]

International asylum law needs to be changed or abolished. It is being abused

[@Anverse-14]

by whom? refugees? the one it is meant for?

[@coyotelong4349]

Just because there are a high volume of people claiming asylum, doesn’t mean it’s being abused Where is your evidence that there’s too many people who aren’t following the rules?

[@fintonmainz7845]

@@coyotelong4349 the huge percentage of asylum claims that are rejected for one. But even those who do meet current rules to be recognized as s seekers are part of a system which is not sustainable.

[@fintonmainz7845]

@@Anverse-14 indigenous people in the host countries have rights too.

[@vorong2ru]

just look at refugees from Ukraine - mostly women, elderly and children and refugees from Africa and the Middle East - mostly young men coming illegally breaking every possible law to enter Europe/the UK. There is a huge difference between legit refugees coming from neighboring countries who share similar values, beliefs and people coming from the other end of the world seeking for ways to sit on welfare and do nothing while hating the country that hosted them and trying to turn it into a shithole.@@coyotelong4349

[@rohithamruthur]

7:41 TLDR News wants to restore Austria to its former glory

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

That would be so much worst on top of the current immigration crysis! 🤣

[@kristianmorris9738]

The assumption here is that illegal immigrants are genuine asylum seekers. Very few are. The $4 million per migrant claimed about the Australian scheme has more to do with its success rather than failure. Think of it in terms of scale. Millions of dollars went into facilities intended to handle a few thousand detainees a year. Because of the deterrence it created for illegal immigrants thinking of coming to Australia by boat those facilities ended up holding only a few dozen detainees in the end. When it was first initiated something like 200 people per week were coming into Australia illegally by boat. Had it continued at that rate the cost per detainee would have been a lot less.

[@glaucofavot9904]

Albania’s Constitutional Court blocks Parliament’s ratification of deal with Italy on migrants

[@Doge811]

So scared of Albania constitutional court 😱...... Italy has a lot of means to retaliate..... And even means to grant favors........

[@alexlehrersh9951]

So the Albanians are oath breakers. How surprsing

[@nerioslamaj7620]

@@alexlehrersh9951 probably the ones who illegally immigrated to your country and couldn’t get the right treatment for society integration, found it easier to break oath for making a living. (roughly what this video tries to address as well)

[@aae7233]

​@@Doge811Don't speak nonsense. Did you know that after 1992 all italian mafia come in Albania. We don't want Italy anymore and Italy can't take albanian land.

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

​@@amatyaucran2214 Right? Some people are insane honestly. Legals are treated fine. Illegals are not because nobody respects a rule breaker. If the first thing you do coming to a country is disrespect it's borders then chances are you are (or will become) a criminal.

[@mimamo]

The EU finally needs to get this done...or the EU is soon done. As simple as that.

[@subday5811]

why?

[@Snake369]

@@subday5811 because more and more people will break off from the EU like Brexit.

[@malogibeaux4946]

Not as simple as that since teh problem is mostly invented by far right parties to frame migrant for all the society's problems when the problem are the rich.

[@SWWWS91]

​@@malogibeaux4946Rich and poor people have always existed. Europe's problems stem directly from over influx of immigrants.

[@malogibeaux4946]

@@SWWWS91 Rich and poor has always existed, and the problem of massive inequality always existed, and immigration always existed. WHat' your point?

[@fb150185]

The EU certainly needs to take action and cannot just keep on letting people in. Sad but life if rough

[@Stand663]

Duh that’s part of the many reasons the UK left the Eu.

[@carlosandleon]

@@Stand663The UK still ends up with a lot of over the air (airplanes) migrants. Most of them come by air and don’t renew their visa. The real problem is that the EU doesn’t want to, it just can’t. Not even the US can.

[@berglucht]

​@@Stand663its one of the lies told to get you to vote yourselves out of the EU. Leaving has only made the situation worse and the EU never stopped the UK from implementing these kinds of policies...

[@carlosandleon]

@@Stand663 Tourists are a minority. Also Ive seen them hide to evade capture. It’s not as clear cut as you think. Thailand is not attractive for economic migrants but if it were, they’d have the same problem. No amount of electronic bullshit is gonna help getting rid of black jobs and black market economy. All the system is doing is showing you how many lapsed their visa. You still need to go and find them.

[@rosscomt5295]

⁠leaving the EU simply handed the power of immigration to the UK. By any account it has worked with the movement of normal people in the EU to the UK. The current issue with UK immigration is with people from out with the EU trying to enter the UK.

[@MrAndrew941]

The cost is worth it, because the cost to culture and this country’s demographics is far more valuable for OUR children’s future, I don’t want my children living in a country we’re teachers go into hiding because muslims don’t like facts being taught and were gang culture is popping up everywhere, which it has been.

[@misterpebbles]

The public has never voted for mass immigration nor were they ever asked if this is what they wanted.

[@user-jn8wi3vf8q]

Nobody voted for any of these countries to do colonialism but here we are. Suck it up and grow a thicker skin you reap what you sew if you destabilise areas.

[@user-jn8wi3vf8q]

This comment section is so short sighted. Europe made these places unstable with colonial bullshit and the countries which formed have to deal with the mess of being used for decades by those European countries. Now Europeans complain when the problem comes home to roost? Shouldn't have carved up Africa (and like anywhere else tbh) in the first place then! Nobody takes responsibility for the cushy life being at the expense of these places and no European wants to foot that bill. It's pathetic.

[@hammer3721]

@@user-jn8wi3vf8q East Europe did not have any colonies. Why must we deal with your Western bullcrap?

[@Whippingham]

​@@user-jn8wi3vf8qOnly a few countries in Europe had colonies, most didn't and even then nobody alive today should be held responsible for what happened in the past. Places like Germany and Scandinavia is rich today because of an early start on industrialization, not colonialism.

[@rad1223]

@@user-jn8wi3vf8qhow long will colonial rule be an excuse for the situation these countries are in right now? Africa is just corrupt and so is Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Algeria, Morocco etc. Look the United States, Canada and Australia were also colonies, so were Singapore and Malaysia. But the standard of living there is high due to competent governance and minimal corruption.

[@shkodra1505]

I am albanian , and this might sound a bit hypocritical but even tho we are migrants ourselfs as people , we dont really like the fact of having africans come to our country. One of our MP "assured us" that none of the migrants will stay in albania but to be precise , he meant , "Italy cant forcefully remove these people from their country cuz that is in violation of EU laws and Human Laws , but we as Albania doing it, nobody would care"

[@pac-lq6vy]

Only Africans eh you clown, how you gonna make this about Africans in Albania when an Rwanda was the first countries to even have offshore asylum program. You didnt have a problem oast 2 years with Ukrainians. Haha we get it bro only have an issue with black asylum seekers when only 25- 30% are even black majority being from Asia yet you only said Africans.

[@excentrik5725]

Yes, we're familiar with that

[@nettcologne9186]

The supreme court in Albania has of course rejected this plan making it about as effective as the Rwanda plan. The Albanian parliamentarians complain that Prime Minister Rama did not have the authority to sign such an agreement because it concerns sovereignty over state territory. The Constitutional Court upheld this appeal. Whether the deal itself is legal will not be clarified until March 2024.

[@okloshbrokla8154]

As an albanian it is very fuckong hypocritical as we have literally floded the uk and especially germany and swizerland and have unprecedentet traficing links all over europe from drugs to people and cars It is insanley hypocritical to complain about africans when your europs nr1 coke and crime exporter I agree that albania cant deal with a huge voljme of migrants we shouldent be paying for northern europes colonial escapades But for a albanian to whine about not liking refugees and migrants its absolutley pathetic Need i remind you of the zombie esque infested ships sailing to italy in the 90s ?

[@okloshbrokla8154]

As an albanian it is very fuckong hypocritical as we have literally floded the uk and especially germany and swizerland and have unprecedentet traficing links all over europe from drugs to people and cars It is insanley hypocritical to complain about africans when your europs nr1 coke and crime exporter I agree that albania cant deal with a huge voljme of migrants we shouldent be paying for northern europes colonial escapades But for a albanian to whine about not liking refugees and migrants its absolutley pathetic Need i remind you of the zombie esque infested ships sailing to italy in the 90s ?

[@Irisishunter]

Assuming the immigrants are processed on UK sovereign soil, surely no objection could be held? Might I suggest the The South Sandwich Islands home these brave souls, whilst exhaustive background checks are performed.

[@user-xx5pr4ot2x]

My thoughts exactly

[@questionmaker5666]

Nobody asked the penguins or seals.

[@user-jn8wi3vf8q]

This comment section is so short sighted. Europe made these places unstable with colonial bullshit and the countries which formed have to deal with the mess of being used for decades by those European countries. Now Europeans complain when the problem comes home to roost? Shouldn't have carved up Africa (and like anywhere else tbh) in the first place then! Nobody takes responsibility for the cushy life being at the expense of these places and no European wants to foot that bill. It's pathetic.

[@Irisishunter]

@@user-jn8wi3vf8q Well of course, but Europe had to suffer Mongol invasions of course. Rather brutal affairs but do I see the Mongols prepared to offer restitution??? Perhaps these immigrants could be redirected to Outer Mongolia?

[@user-jn8wi3vf8q]

@@Irisishunter none of the places that had intercontinental colonies in the places where the refugees we are talking about were invaded by the Mongol Empire.

[@activationfunction]

Since 2015, Finland has been accepting (an unprecedented number of) Syrian refugees. We had two minor labour shortage crises in 2017 and in 2021. Businesses put out hiring signs and the government actively encouraged refugees to apply for jobs. However, the refugees don't fill the jobs which the country needs (mostly in the service industry and the construction industries). They want to do things that require re-training and certification (to be up-to-date with Finnish standards and practice) in technical and medical fields. Only a few of them managed to be re-trained (and a large number relies on welfare which is considerably good in Finland to get by). The government (and businesses) can't force people to work and businesses have been crying about not having any good solutions for future job shortage since the refugee angle has proven to be unfitted so far. At least, we are not in Sweden. TL/DR: You just can't force people who refuse to acknowledge their situation and choose not to contribute to take part in your system.

[@OscarOSullivan]

Isn’t it better that people are getting themselves up to your countries standards with regard to profession certification.

[@FarsightAE]

Thats why refugees/asylum seekers should be appointed into jobs wether they want to or not.

[@evothenew3333]

Well, they’re also people who are free to choose what career they wanna pursue. As long as they want to work and pay their taxes it’s good. If you’re so worried about service and construction jobs why don’t you do it yourself in the first place? Sounds like there’s a reason why no one in your country want to do these jobs..? So I see no issue with those who want to do trainings for the jobs they want. But I don’t agree with just relying on the welfare system and not working.

[@kauswekazilimani3736]

​@@OscarOSullivanNot if you just want cheap labour.

[@activationfunction]

@@evothenew3333 Because they were accepted partially to remedy that labour issue, which they did not remedy. It's supposed to be a two-way relationship where refugees get the help that they need by being accepted in a new country, and the country getting an economical boost. If one party doesn't get what they want from an exchange, why should they continue?

[@Grk149]

Imagine being the EU and dealing with countries that “do not ACCEPT their citizens back” Why don’t you mention which countries these are? Why do we have any sort of diplomatic relationships with such nations? Why don’t we put an embargo to all visas for their citizens? Or cut any foreign aid to them? The EU is so weak, being played like that by the third world.

[@joemiller947]

Countries often do not accept their own citizens back in under specific circumstances, especially if those countries lack the resources to manage enormous quantities of repatriation

[@vorong2ru]

most of those cased are when refugee suddenly "lost" all of their documents and don't remember where they are from or just claim they are from the place that doesn't even know them. and yeah there is a reason why some of the 3rd world countries wouldn't want those criminals back.

[@vigfhfc]

@@joemiller947 It's mostly about remittance, which makes up 5-10% of GDP for many countries.

[@blablup1214]

Do you believe. Those African countries have a database of every citizen with fingerprint and so on , so that they would be even able to identify those people ? I believe at least this would be necessary to identify them after all for whatever reason they have no documents...

[@vorong2ru]

@@blablup1214 lol oh yeah, tell people in Congo about that

[@vod96]

They could also stop giving out welfare to asylum seekers, and youll see how quickly the "humanitarian crisis" in "Prepetialwaristan" all of a sudden stops

[@fosyay1780]

Yes, do a separate video about migration. Maybe compare how different countries handle or encourage it. EU, US, UK and commonwealth countries.

[@sumotony]

Why restrict the list to western countries, why not also do a video on immigration to Saudi Arabia, Iran, CCCP China and Russia .... oh wait.

[@czechmeoutbabe1997]

This is the Immigration equivalent of “If I shit in another room and close the door then everything is fine”. All the money being spent on these absurd, humiliating 3rd country schemes could be instead spent of increasing the bureaucratic capabilities of the immigration offices, partnerships with other countries like Morocco Tunisia or Turkey, or helping the migrants themselves. This entire discussion is inefficient, gross and exclusively based around making boomers “feel ok” by right wing politicians. The idea that somehow Rwanda or Albania deters people from leaving a warzone like Syria is insane.

[@Xanderbelle]

The EU already has asylum holding/processing camps in North Africa. Why no mention of that?

[@mohamedabdukadir3271]

Hope the EU solve the immigration crises, I am not in EU but I understand the madness that is going on.

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

It's not so bad in the east. Everyone is illegally migrating to the west since it's "rich" (rich my ass atm but whatever). Here in the east (former communist countries) we have very little in the way of migrants, so our countries don't have as many issues internally. My worry (as someone from the Balkans) is that if this is not resolved the west will Balkanize.

[@alicianieto2822]

You understand the version of the northern countries of what is going on. This has been going on for decades for the south, and we have managed to host most people while the lovely northern neighbours cried racism whenever we tried to make a higher fence or fell short from perfect in integration. In the past years the south has been officially done with this and allowed part of the "problem" to migrate north, literally. Now that it affects Belgium or Holland, at a ridiculous percentage compared to us to be honest, it is suddenly a problem and the actual racist countries are showing their colors.

[@JesusMagicPanties]

@@alicianieto2822 You southern Europeans are like tricky women, always making yourselves poor victims of the north , to play something on it and blame operetically the whole world for your ineptitude and two left hands to work.

[@67DARKMATTER]

Good for the EU! Never understood the initial approach in the first place. Glad to see them waking up to the immigration problem

[@jumbolarge108]

Serious question: Is there a reason people use the term “irregular” instead of “illegal” for these kinds of migrants? Is it just for political correctness reasons or are there other semantics I’m not aware of?

[@barneylaurance1865]

Irregular travel methods are specifically legal for genuine asylum seekers. There are generally no safe regular routes for asylum seekers to reach the EU or the UK, so for some the only legal route is indeed to travel on a false document, clandestinely, or on a small boat and then claim asylum on arrival. You can't claim asylum from outside the borders.

[@Spacemongerr]

It is because irregular is not the same as illegal. Irregular/undocumented travel in order to seek asylum is not a crime, so calling such a person an illegal immigrant is factually wrong

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

Yeah it’s just lame PC bullshit. They are illegal invaders and nothing more

[@abdell75roussos]

@@barneylaurance1865 The religion forbids intermarriage, does not tollerate gays and trans, and believes that the west/USA were responbsible for 9 11 for example. Once here, many go into crime, and it is not possible to identify them as they make sure the tax payer cant do this. They can be rapists, terrorists, drug gangs, but since that appears not to effect you, then its fine as long as it fits your ideology. Next, living in the UK means a person can be homed, have a family, get NHS, legal help, and all benefits, and never have to cointibute and then get a pension. Why woukd they come? Cannot be policed, and WW3 rounbd the corner. Check out sweden. Now if you had to pay for this your attitude would change.

[@theoneandonlysoslappy]

Simply hearing the term "irregular migrants" makes me laugh. :D

[@Spacemongerr]

Why? Irregular is not the same as illegal. Irregular travel in order to seek asylum is not a crime

[@thirstyserpent1079]

@@Spacemongerr Yeah no, everyone knows that the "Asylum" system is being abused by illegal migrants to shield themselves from deportation and game the system.

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

​@@JustADude908 Right?

[@dl5498]

"irregular migrants" funny way to say illegal immigrants

[@barneylaurance1865]

It's legal for a genuine refugee to travel by clandestine, irregular means. There's often no other way to claim asylum.

[@Flibbles]

@@barneylaurance1865 92% of illegal entrants do not have asylum status, therefore they are illegal imigrants.

[@user-jn8wi3vf8q]

​@@barneylaurance1865thank you for letting people know the truth.

[@jondecat885]

​@@user-jn8wi3vf8q ok jew

[@sivendra_s]

Illegal economic migrants with criminal background is the right word. Today's such illegal migrants will be the tomorrow's dangerous and violent immigrant traffickers. As a victim of trafficking by UK based LTTE immigrant trafficking Syndicate, I write this fact.

[@Jay-ne2st]

For Rwanda they are just getting some clout to protect them when war eventually breakout with Congo.

[@rhaegartargaryen682]

7:41 , did you just cite a minister from the Austrian empire? Pretty sure that doesn’t exist anymore

[@chrisvighagen]

Pretty sure they did that on purpose just to get people talking in the comments to boost interaction

[@honkler5974]

@@chrisvighagenpretty sure it makes them look sloppy

[@chrisvighagen]

@@honkler5974 sure but people are talking about it in the comments driving engagement like crazy.

[@Keln02]

The title is misleading at best

[@DivineFrag]

Indeed. Especially if UK copied theirs off of Denmark's. But hey, if their viewers are mostly British, you can't expect to get clicks & views without mentioning the UK in one way or another.

[@hazyhayley7488]

TLDR is stealth right wing propaganda. You can’t trust English media.

[@vorong2ru]

wtf are you talking about. Uk is following Australian route, not Denmark..@@DivineFrag

[@piesezpetersburga7254]

Funny. I remember the events of 2015. I remember the mania that gripped Western governments, when they accepted random people without any control and demanded that every EU country adapt. When eastern governments, such as Hungary and Poland, refused, claiming it was a bad idea, political attacks began, calling them f@scists, cavemen, and threats to withdraw money. And what now? After almost 10 years, the same governments are trying to introduce even more restrictive laws than Poland or Hungary ever had. But I've never heard them apologize or admit their guilt.

[@diollinebranderson6553]

This is why leftist ideologies are always cancer. Never in history has a very successful civilisation started out wuth leftist ideologies

[@edoardoturco8780]

It was also because most Syrians escaped a civil war. Now, most immigrants come for economic reasons.

[@pavamantra]

Yeah and Hangary and Poland did it because of xenophobia and nothing else. Why would anyone support that... These are two different issues.

[@thomass5440]

@@pavamantralack of planning for such a predictable event probably didn’t help either

[@piesezpetersburga7254]

@@pavamantra oh yes, exactly what I'm talking about. Let's abandon the idea that it is thoughtless not to accept people who do not understand Western culture and who have not been tested before. It's not like these people can help create gangs like in Sweden, organize racial uprisings like in France, or create a "fun meeting" like in Cologne in Germany. Those who don't welcome strangers into their home are just dirty monsters, right?

[@FairPlayGaming]

It is refreshing to see people openly discussing the issue instead of avoiding it, as Sweden has done for the last 20 years. 10-15 years ago, most people would have been labeled as hatemongers and other nasty words for voicing legitimate concerns about the safety of their country and culture. The Rwanda scheme seems like a complete waste of money; the simple solution to the problem is to send them home immediately with zero forms of aid to deter them and like-minded people from attempting to repeat the journey.

[@bigefresh2]

Not only that, but it puts more pressure on Rwanda which is a developing country that has actually been performing well over the last decade. Schemes like this will only hurt countries like Rwanda in the longer term making immigration worse. They should actually be encouraging countries like Rwanda to develop to show other poor counties that it’s possible; thereby reducing the number of asylum seekers.

[@rbkeyz2328]

This wont deter them because theyre escaping literal war (causes mostly by “the west” mind you) And, at least in my country, although everyone keeps saying “oh yeah but immigrants and crime rate” the police data doesnt figure. In fact the % of crime by immigrants decreases because crime overall grows.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

Well that's cruel

[@bigefresh2]

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 what I said or what the OP said?

[@WillyJunior]

​@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231The world can't run on empathy alone.

[@jonathanwilliams9697]

The irony. After all their posturing. They do the same.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

Of course, they did the same with their energy, trade and foreign policies too.

[@Argondo]

I am worried that at some point people will get enough of the immigration and will start to either take action themselves, by force or goverment will do it... And if that happens it will not be pretty. So i hope we find a solution before it reaches that point.

[@Aryanwood]

Look to Yugoslavia, or Northern Ireland. Lines are being drawn. Native Europeans vs foreign ethnic groups. Eventually there will be a European Spring in which the far right will take power across the EU. I imagine Putin will be supporting it. Either way expect mass deportations and mass repatriations.

[@MrFuckthesystem6]

Yup, the tensions are rising across Europe. Everytime a crime is commited by a migrant in my country the comments get more and more agressive

[@rbkeyz2328]

similair in mine, to the point where police regularly have to point out data that crime in the country has increased OVERALL and that immigrants are causing a lesser % of damage year on year.

[@grabik4402]

That's bs though, migrants are committing disproportionately higher crime rates than natives, something seen across the boatd in any western country. Look at Sweden, once a beautiful and progressive country, now choked by the migrant gangs... I hate that we have to pretend the cost of being seen as humane takes over the safety of our people, do not tolerate the intolerant

[@diogomm710]

Traveling to places close to Venezuela, here in South America, this is very real. You know that thing you always complain about in your country/area? Lazy people, expenses, heat? They only, and always, complain about Venezuelans - millions of them.

[@TurinStark5]

This isn't necessarily new. The EU has been trying to get an agreement with Northern African countries for this to happen but it's just that they have rejected it

[@evothenew3333]

Yeah because North African countries are independent states not Europe’s backyard

[@VMF-rj8qo]

​@@evothenew3333 Independent and incompetent on managing their countries, hence their fleeing population.

[@ladymorwendaebrethil-feani4031]

The EU should pay them more and offer favorable trade deals, so that all these people can go to countries like Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt (which are relatively stable), and find industrial jobs there. But to achieve this, the EU will not only have to pay a fair price per immigrant, but also contribute with investment for the development of local industry (or European companies that can no longer compete with Chinese ones) and with reduced tariffs. This is the only solution (with solving the problems in Africa and Middle East caused by imperialism and eternal wars), but as they will never approve this, the tendency is for the situation in Europe to degenerate politically until everything becomes like the Balkans in the 90s, with governments placing Muslims in concentration camps and paramilitaries promoting progroms. Most likely this will not stop the islamization, because monotheistic religions are antifragile (Christianity spread much more strongly after Rome began to repress it with violence). In the end, the entire continent will be sent back to the Middle Ages, if humanity does not become extinct first.

[@faber3969]

It's not their population fleeing (mostly). Subsaharan Africans travel through North Africa on their way to Europe and the native population has had enough.

[@SettlerFance]

this doesn't make sense to me. the moral failure is on the seemingly high number of people claiming political asylum who are actually economic migrants. other than during the Syrian war, the videos make it seem that the majority are economic migrants. wealthy countries generously set up their asylum systems to try to protect human life, not to undercut their domestic working classes and destabilize their cultures. if so many economic migrants are going to seemingly abuse the system, the system obviously needs to change.

[@xDaniik]

Yeah, just get out of whatever UN nonsense prevents a cheaper alternative.

[@Lucario-hv1iq]

I just don't want all of this anymore. How is it possible, that the EU is not even a bit able to defend it's borders? :(

[@jzajacTube]

Please do remove Mr. Morawiecki from the intro. He is no longer the Prime minister of Poland nor even a leader of opposition 🙂

[@user-nc9mr7gu3u]

Keir Starmer wants to stop the Rwanda plan and work with EU countries on the issues of illegal immigration but the problem he will have is that the EU countries are also working on Rwanda type plans

[@Fdzzaigl]

Complete madness. Deporting asylum seekers to an autocratic regime which has played an active role in destabilising it's entire region. You have respect for human rights or not.

[@alexkoppers7882]

7:41 ''Interior minister of the Austrian Empire". Wait, I didn't know we where back in the 19th century.

[@MATHERSX]

Imagine wanting to go to London and waking up in Rwanda 😂😂😂😂

[@JAMESLOONEY-kd1nu]

I spent 10 days in Albania ,would like to visit again.if i had a choice between Albania and Rwanda id be begging for Albania 😅

[@bengoacher4455]

Labour is also promising a safe third country plan. The legal issue isn't over deporting asylum seekers to a third country for processing, it's deporting them specifically to Rwanda. It's perfectly legal under international law to use third countries to process asylum claims, Australia has been doing it for years now. The problem is that the courts don't believe that Rwanda is a safe country. Now they have had access to a bunch of documents and reports that I haven't so maybe there is something that they know that I don't. But to me it seems like Rwanda is desperate for the deal to work, and to expand the deal to other nations looking at a similar approach. It's a critical source of income for the country, and will provide jobs in the construction and maintenance of the asylum centers, while reducing costs for the UK in housing asylum seekers in hotels and temporary accommodation, and eliminating the political difficulty of having purpose built asylum centers built in communities. The left hates the plan because it's "cruel" and "inhumane" not because it's illegal. It just happens to be illegal currently because the court has determined that Rwanda is not a safe country, which is completely arbitrary and declaring a country safe or not through an act of parliament has already been done by a Labour government. My personal solution would be to make any asylum seeker do 2 years military service before being given permanent leave to remain in the UK. That will give them appreciation for the country they are moving to, and respect for the system of governance, law and culture that we have. it would also give the UK a large expeditionary force it could deploy in strategic nations to provide assurance. For example in Guyana, Djibouti, Singapore, Estonia, Finland etc. It would be a voluntary system ofc, and it wouldn't be sexist, men and women would be required to join. You can either join the foreign legion, do your tour, and then return to the UK with a visa, or you can be deported. If you are pregnant and/or a child, you sit in Rwanda until you are no longer pregnant or over 18, then you can do your tour. Fairly simple and would remove those who seek to harm the UK and her interests once inside.

[@joaovitormatos8147]

The real question is: Why Rwanda? Why so many countries are sending their asylum seekers to such a small and far away country?

[@bennymuller3379]

Probably most other countries don't want to have them, even for lots of money

[@hermaeusmora2945]

Money and corrupt governments go a long way.

[@weird-guy]

They love that eu money and don´t mind doing our dirty work, a lot of stealing of funds potential imo.

[@pritapp788]

Look up whom governs Rwanda and how they govern it.

[@liptonmapper2543]

Rwanda is a stable and successful african country amongst them all

[@kobra666au]

Australian 🇦🇺 here. We have had a decent success with this method

[@LukVik]

No, you didn’t 😂!!!

[@RACM27MD]

Or maybe it's the fact you are thousands of kilometers away of Africa and Middle East? Because paying milions per migrant does not look like a decent success, honestly

[@wotermelon_]

Australia is quite literally a giant desert jungle with some farms on it, you of all countries need immigrants to get real shit done.

[@lanxy2398]

No you didn’t lmao

[@bigbear5844]

Yes, they did.

[@zekicanseskir7488]

Sooo, basically you are saying that the issue won't be resolved with this either and the only option left to these countries (and their populace) is to either accept societal collapse in a decade or leave the UN refugee convention and become more authoritarian states... Well done international law.

[@thedave5358]

While i find it rather flattering that everybody still refers to austria as "empire", sadly it's not anymore. Gerhald karner therefor is the interior minister od the austrian republic. :)

[@captainchaos3667]

There's a major, but extremely common, mistake in this: it is NOT TRUE that the UK will send migrants to Rwanda to await the processing of their UK asylum application. It's even worse than that: their application is _denied_ and they have to ask for asylum _in Rwanda._ I don't know if the EU plans to do the same.

[@EpicCrust]

Tbh, after the pro Hamas protests I’m not sure it’s such a bad move. Personally the pro Hamas people in this country should go and reunite with Gazans when they are sent to the Congo

[@tedcrilly46]

Even *better, you mean.

[@cordeliathomas8787]

@@EpicCrustbtw, being pro Palestine doesn’t make you pro Hamas. The pro Palestine protests are asking for a ceasefire because over 20 thousand have died and Isreal is committing war crimes. You can disagree with the IDF without supporting Hamas. I fuckin hate Hamas, but I want Palestinians occupation to end and I want them to have basic human rights. Please go read news sources from other sides of the political spectrum from time to time. I read to pro Israel ones aswell as pro Palestinian, and more balanced ones too. The economist has pretty balanced views on the situation. Also, not everyone at the free Palestine protests are immigrants. Ik of loads of English people who go to them too.

[@Bimmeroo090-cl5cz]

@@cordeliathomas8787 Why are all these Palestinians in the UK? Who allowed them to come here? Who voted for them. Send 'em home.

[@archiebald4717]

Great news!

[@MAC9949]

I think the Australian offshorring scheme has been highly successful. 1. It led to the number of boats arriving in Australia drop from several hundreds in 2013 to just one in 2019 2. It served a a powerful deterrent. Once migrants learnt that even if they are found to be refugees, they would be resettled in PNG and Cambodia, virtually all "refugees" from Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and Iran basically vanished. 3.People seem to forget that while expensive, it is a cash transfer to poorer nations who will accept migrants in exchange for money that will not only allow them to accomodate the migrants but build their own infrastructure. That is why Rwanda, Congo and many nations in Africa are willing to take the migrants in.

[@pritapp788]

Australia has heaps of immigration, just not as much illegal as in Europe, mostly through legal channels (applying through a consulate, lawyer or immigration consultant). Yet "legal" immigration to countries like Australia or Canada still result in far larger migration movements than what Europe witnesses. All it does is give people reassurance that laws are not being abused but the other issues associated with immigration remain, and the local population will grumble eventually.

[@MAC9949]

@@pritapp788 The Australian system has ensured that those who pretend to be refugees but are in reality just economic migrants looking for a shortcut do not go there. Also notice, despite having a 200 million plus nation next to it and which is not as developed as Australia, very few migrants come from it because they know they will be deported. Indians do not go to Australia illegally(though they do find loopholes in the existing legal framework) because even if India refuses to take them back(which is why so many love Europe, they know India will reject them and Europe will have no choice but to ) ,there is a high possibility of being taken to Cambodia and PNG

[@ejun251]

Global law doesn't really exist. The relations between nations is basically anarchy. Countries can just decide to not take in migrant regardless of whatever sanctions they might get. Asylum is abused as a reason in most cases and the asylum seekers often travel home for vacation (from the country they are supposedly fleeing from)

[@ABC-rh7zc]

Asylum processing is not a big improvement. Everyone should be required to seek asylum in neighbouring countries only and to return as soon as the threat to their lives is over. Even war should not be a basis for asylum if there are still safe parts of their own countries.

[@kapytanhook]

Yeah, if anything processing should be faster. I'd even be happy to pay for refugee camps people can stay in temporarily whole there is a conflict. I just don't want all that shit culture here. It's bad enough as is when your neighbor has similar values.

[@raquetdude]

Before Brexit, those wanting to come to Britain were partially processed in France… but cause of Brexit this was got rid of and so it increased the amount of people trying to cross the channel.

[@wakey87]

It was pretty much pointless without leaving the ECHR.

[@potato_nugget]

​@@wakey87Leaving it would put in the same category as Belarus, the only country in Europe that wasn't admitted because they refused to get rid of the death penalty. Good luck rocking that look

[@EpicTutorialTips]

@@potato_nugget - I would actually be in favour of leaving it and putting a revised version of it onto our own Statute, to be honest. There's a few loopholes that criminal operations rely upon in that Convention which is being actively abused, and it puts people at risk so long as those loopholes remain open. But it's something that needs an honest frank discussion, not people mouthing off with sensationalist concepts on either side of the political fabric, which has been the case thus far.

[@pinkdiamond1847]

Well that backfired on the racists who voted for Brexit over immigration didn't it?

[@spacetime3]

By partially processed you mean they were let freely over the border, and the UK had to pay France to do any sort of processing, which I do understand if anyone has seen how many people are stuck in those camps in France, but it really is down to the country they've landed in to process them.

[@mitchmazamez1989]

10:06 By 2019 this scheme was costing Australia 4 million per mi grant per year. A cool 40 mill for each person over a mere 10 years. Not bad. The alleged 170K for England is embarrassingly minuscule in comparison.

[@wile123456]

Huge waste of money when the countries could be EARNING money from the immigrants if they actually let them work and pay taxes lmao. Also human smugglers and gangs would lose a ton of businesses if people weren't pushed into the black market because they got legal recognition isntead of countries brekaing human rights laws.

[@Olafje]

At 3:08 , it says "treated as an asylum seekerS", I'm sorry, I couldn't ignore it

[@JohnDoe-gc1pm]

As a Brit, this is hilarious to watch the EU doing exactly the same things that they criticised the UK for

[@bertieschoice216]

Denmark had an almost identical scheme in Rwanda a year before the UK. Also, can you give examples of the EU criticising the UK's Rwanda scheme? Most of the resistance to the idea has been inside the UK itself.

[@JohnDoe-gc1pm]

@@bertieschoice216 I stand corrected. I meant the Remainers in the UK who held up the EU as incapable of barbarism. Even though the member states are doing this

[@EVOpower]

​@@bertieschoice216BREXIT ....leading the way in Europe ❤

[@Dr.Kananga]

UN laws on migration were written under very different conditions in a time where European countries still had physical presences in the shape of colonies on other continents, thus acting as offshore territories to control their international affairs and asylum requests which at the time were way lower than today's. Europe ought to amend regulations in migration terms to better reflect the current situation, where in a globalized reality things aren't as slow and controllable as they used to be sixty or fifty years ago.

[@bramgiraffe4135]

Could you do a separate video on your pronunciation of Nauru?

[@boitmecklyn4995]

UK wanting in on the Albania deal is funny since Albania wants in the EU when the UK isn't so that deal doesn't help them.

[@jackieblue1267]

Australia didn't push boats back to Nauru but to Indonesia or into international waters.

[@oryxace2]

Honestly, these days I lean toward a “if you come illegally, you cannot stay, regardless of your situation” these days when it comes to mass migration.

[@00dude3]

100% And then deport those who have done so previously and ban the NGOs who help them do it

[@deanrichard1770]

If you are coming from somewhere where you are fleeing for your life “Syria for example” I don’t think they are focusing on the legality of their fleeing. They are just focusing on putting one foot in front of the other and surviving one more day.

[@krieg_guardsman9548]

​@deanrichard1770 then you would stop when your safe not carry on untill your in Europe and dealing with people smuggling

[@barneylaurance1865]

Coming irregularly is generally legal for asylum seekers. There isn't any regular transport available to asylum seekers to many countries.

[@AkasakaS2000]

@@deanrichard1770 I am not someone who is worried about them getting a life here. What I am worried is their ideologies. You certainly don't want someone who would happily laugh when gays were thrown off the building, and when Jews were slaughtered. Those are not poor refugees. They are monsters who would happily violate every single human right, but they just cannot right now. I have talked to a few Syrians, 1 is gay, sees the problem of Israel government but does not blame it on all Jews, and notice that the Netherlands (where he resides) is better due to democracy and secularism. The other sees all Jews in Israel who are >18 can be slaughtered (even when unarmed), since he thinks that they are had military training. He also thinks that Russia should take over Ukraine, and China should take over Taiwan. Both are Syrians, but I know exactly who to take in, and who not to.

[@dalton54123]

Stop rescuing them from the boats and they will stop coming.

[@A190xx]

One solution is to lease the land in Rwanda as British territory for a fixed period. The migrants will then still be in the UK in legal terms and protected by UK law. However, they will not be able to merge into the UK ecomony to earn more money than their home nation or get married to a UK and have children to avoid deportation. Thereon, they should be moved to the airport upon arrival and processed on the plane, so there is no chance to lodge legal appeals to avoid removal. By removing tne incentives and common reasons for appeals, the scheme will deter migrants and so the cost will apply to a few hundred with the remaining migrants ceasing to travel. This is why the EU is belatedly acting in response to voters hostility across all member nations that it can no longer ignore.

[@evora9081]

Some saying dont send them to Rwanda because it is not a safe place. Well,,, Rwanda is more civilised and safe than any of the EU countries

[@dimiathan]

They could still be sent to EU countries' oversees territories in the pacific and south america.

[@DaDARKPass]

It's interesting - the UK has usually been a pioneer in new policies that end up becoming adopted by lots of other countires. The westminster system, free trade, the beveridge model of healthcare, monetarism... apparently deporting people to Rwanda is the next thing.

[@cd9962]

Didn't he say Denmark proposed their plan a year before the UK?

[@JesusMagicPanties]

@@cd9962 It's called English exceptionalism.

[@carlosandleon]

That’s clever. I always thought Europe just had to recolonize africa to deal with this but then again this is a good compromise

[@williampower6534]

Those political leaders who will not take effective action to stop irregular migration will eventually be replaced by extreme right leaders who will take the harsh steps necessary. Many from the centre and progressive side of politics support robust action that will close down people smuggling but they are restrained from openly expressing their views due to the fear of being labelled as racists. Politicians are usually responsive to issues that concern voters and it is reasonable to expect that the laws against irregular migration will gradually become more hard line regardless of the shrill howls of naive bullying activists.

[@abdell75roussos]

What nearly happened in the UK was the near attack on a teacher in Bately school, and again in another school. The cops were terrified that this incident would trigger it. Teacher is still in hiding!!!!! Its a shame for the UK supporting Muslims who live here.

[@willemvanriet7160]

4mill / migrant / year!!!! Just give the migrant the money and he won't be a migrant anymore!!

[@maxdon2001]

Great video!

[@BernasLL]

It's irrelevant if the country is willing to take its citizens back, those that fail to meet refugee status or other stay criteria. The EU should heavily sanction them until they do, or other diplomatic means. Or just find a covert way to dump them in the territory. In the meantime, the citizen should be comfortably confined, as so many other national citizens end up being after they fail to be in a legal status, but not allowed anything more than a comfortable complex, with minimum human rights guaranteed and no freedom of movement within the country. If the citizen breaks the law even in that scenario, he should be trialed and sent to a prison, then back to the complex. If it's for decades, it's a problem, but not a EU problem. There should be bureaucracy to make someone with office responsible for following up on these cases and knocking on doors for the years to come, but that's it. The biggest issue may be if the unwanted citizen manages to have one registered parent children on national soil.

[@MrLuc38]

Why no doing the asylum demand in embassies of the refugee contry? If a person is from Libya and wants to go to Austria, he has to apply in the Austrian embassy in Libya. If this the only way to get the Austrian asylum, they wont leave their home country in the first place.

[@OscarOSullivan]

You have to have a workable system that is easy to go through

[@barneylaurance1865]

European governments don't allow that because they're trying to keep asylum seekers out. It would be much easier and safer of course if they could apply at the embassy and then get a valid travel document issued there. Either the embassy in Libya or the Austrian embassy in any other country. In fact it doesn't even have to be in Libya. If a person is from anywhere and is currently in France and wants to go the UK, why not let them apply at the UK embassy or any processing centre the UK could make in France. But the government doesn't want to create a safe route for refugees to get here, it prefers to let people drown in the channel.

[@NoidoDev]

03:20 - Countries have "to look after them" and "have to take them in" is not the same thing. This is exactly the point. The idea behind this whole system was to give people a safe place, but the have no right to migrate to a wealthy country and get all rights ever.

[@FatRonaldo1]

So it’s fine for countries to refuse to take their citizens back from the EU who have been deported, but it’s wrong for the EU to stop them entering in the first place

[@CockmageLVL99]

This will cause a domino effect. The country that makes a deal like this last is getting flooded.

[@CockmageLVL99]

Spoiler: It will be Germany.

[@lkl3210]

Pretty gray area. On one hand you can't just turn away people who need help. On the other hand, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[@Doge811]

We can definitely turn them away, they aren't refugees, in Italy 90% are not granted refugees status they aren't they are illegal economic migrants and usually from middle class families.

[@jonathanfontaine2325]

"On one hand you can't just turn away people who need help." Are you familiar with the asylum policies of Japan and South Korea?

[@genoric4094]

So, who actually needs help?

[@erwannthietart3602]

​@@genoric4094those escaping from warthorn countries for safety. Yes considering the amount of conflicts within most countries or origins for migrants that does mean alot ARE truly in danger, but its nearly impossible to make the differance between them and economical migrants coming in for the money

[@user-jn8wi3vf8q]

This comment section is so short sighted. Europe made these places unstable with colonial bullshit and the countries which formed have to deal with the mess of being used for decades by those European countries. Now Europeans complain when the problem comes home to roost? Shouldn't have carved up Africa (and like anywhere else tbh) in the first place then! Nobody takes responsibility for the cushy life being at the expense of these places and no European wants to foot that bill. It's pathetic.

[@angloukrainianhistory]

Gerhard Karner Interior Minister of the Austrian Empire? I'm all for the restoration of the Hapsburgs but I think TLDR should do an episode on how Gerhard restored the empire

[@anotherelvis]

10:20 I don't think that £170.000 is not significantly more expensive than letting a migrant stay. You have to factor in social help, and the extra cost of integrating a second generation of citizens.

[@sluglife9785]

As with other things, the refusal of the centre ground to encourage and allow an open and honest discussion about this issue has ultimately aggravated it.

[@user-jn8wi3vf8q]

This comment section is so short sighted. Europe made these places unstable with colonial bullshit and the countries which formed have to deal with the mess of being used for decades by those European countries. Now Europeans complain when the problem comes home to roost? Shouldn't have carved up Africa (and like anywhere else tbh) in the first place then! Nobody takes responsibility for the cushy life being at the expense of these places and no European wants to foot that bill. It's pathetic.

[@Runenschuppe]

@@user-jn8wi3vf8q Sorry, but that's complete BS. Only a handful of colonies were ever profitable (places like the British India, the Carribean, Canada, the US, or Australia...) and those aren't the ones refugees come from. Colonialism after the treaty-port phase was nothing but a costly prestige project. So no, Europe did not bleed these countries dry, for the last century at least they were a net-drain on resources (the very reason they were finally let go). And in fact contrasting to Europe they still have large amounts of natural resources. The people in Africa, America and Asia wanted their independence and got it. They could have asked for longer transition periods, they didn't. They could have re-drawn colonial borders, but didn't. They had decades to sort out any problems originating from colonization. Weird how some countries (especially in South & East-Asia) who were colonized became successful economies, while others didn't. Almost like it doesn't matter IF you were colonized, but what your culture makes you do AFTER. Following that. Asylum is NOT for people who have a hard time economically. That what our aid programs are for. It is for people who have to fear for their life in their home country because of their religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation. And if that is not the case these people need to be deported immediately.

[@lolmenx4]

@@user-jn8wi3vf8q no countries would exist south of the sahara if what you say is true.Noone wants to accept imigrants because its not the fault of for example norway that nigeria is a shithole.The europe bad myth isnt real, and its the forced and haste exit from africa what caused problems. It created power vaccums that were occupied by dictators, communist or not both dictators. The ussr wanted this and the usa didnt care. Africa was used to deminish european power by non european powers. Noone but europe cared about africa. And once they were forced out by international preasure the violence in the contient increased massibly now that noone could police the place. No goverment was competent without whites in it and the only places that were prosperous no matter what the media says where south africa or places that had connections to Europe. You eate the propaganda of the usa and soviet union like a good sheep and cant blame you becasue its easy to fall in that line of thinking not looking at what actually happend. Africa experienced 2000 years of develpment in only 80. Moving from mudhuts and tribal communities to cities. But the proccess wasnt complete and when europe was forced out local goverments stole every possibility of a good future. Now tohusands are forced to flee because of those corrupt goverments or dictatorships. Thats not the fault of europe, unless you want to say that europe is at fault for bringing development to a continent engulfed in darkness and lack of anything remotly modern BESIDES weapons. Thats the only technology africa adopted pre colonialism. Europe saved africa in so many ways. Eitehr way ur probably a bot but still doesnt matter. The only thing i agree is that it wasnt done as much as was thought, Africa never became profitable and efforts for more self governing under european supervision were tried but it was too late. Maybe given 30 more years africa could have become a good place to live. But we will never know. The same happens in Asia, corrupt goverments liek the chinese of bangladeshi allow some horrible human laws to be active and little to no care is done besides treaties beneffiting the elites and companies. Its not the fault of companies to use bangladesh, but its the fault of bangladeshi goverment officials for not wanting to regulate those working conditions and the same happens in africa. if you want immigrants accept them into your house, the only reason immigrantion in the usa is accpeted a but more is bc they dont have any public services, in eruope they tank the social security to a point of collapse.

[@user-jn8wi3vf8q]

@@Runenschuppe this is so bad faith I can't even respond with any argument. I don't think you really understand the history of colonialism in any way. Very disappointing. I expect a lot higher of the tldr viewerbase

[@evials9123]

⁠​⁠@@user-jn8wi3vf8qthe only one making bad faith arguments is you. Somehow you think European countries “deserve” this for having a colonial past, yet you utterly fail to recognize that most of the countries hit the hardest by immigration are ones with no connection to colonialism at all. What countries has Sweden colonized? Or Hungary, or Ireland, or Armenia? This is just a revenge fantasy for you over things that happened hundreds of years ago. Furthermore, countries like Spain and Portugal were under harsh Muslim colonization for hundreds of years. Muslims who exploited their natural resources that you hold so highly. Does Spain now have the right to invade the Middle East now? No, because it’s clear you have a double standard

[@KangaKucha]

I believe Australia was to do this with Malaysia but ended up being Pasific instead. Idk if it stands as that was about 10 years ago (not as into news as I was then...)

[@mistrants2745]

Caused horrifying human rights violations and people in cages. That will happen here as well. We all know it. But the people who support it are ok with that.

[@shamikghosh7197]

Yeah they do that, to small Pacific island nations

[@kartang]

If I am up to date on my own country we mainly do it on the country of Nauru and our Island territory of Chrismas Island

[@TheTroyc1982]

​@@kartang at a cost of 1 million per migrants

[@Pasta_Pirate]

@@TheTroyc1982 yeah but considering it has dropped from 20k people per year in 2010-2015 to now 2-3 boats of like 40 people annually its a pretty good deal. At least now those that don't have valid claims or don't go through the proper processes know not to come here. Its not a nice topic but its necessary to ensure those entering the country do it properly.

[@jommydavi2197]

As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."

[@toddberkely6791]

whose blood though...

[@tarrinpun3798]

Kinda sad to see some of the comments here. The whole reason why we have the refugees convention in the first place was because WW2 and the jewish genocide happened. The world came together and agreed that this kind of tragedy should never happened again and yet here we are….

[@hazyhayley7488]

Europe is racist. White people keep voting against their own interests because they’re scared of brown people. It’s pathetic.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

@@hazyhayley7488Why could one be afraid? Is it sky high common crime? Or maybe terrorist attacks? Maybe subsidizing "brown people" is a poor business and people noticed it?