As Kazuya mains, it is crucial to understand the importance of “I’m not gonna sugarcoat it.”
@JustaLilgrabba9 ай бұрын
I’m not gonna sugar coat it.
@kingofdrama32369 ай бұрын
I don't get it...
@reina.tg069 ай бұрын
@@kingofdrama3236➡️⭐️⬇️↘️🟡
@Pac_Appl219 ай бұрын
@@kingofdrama3236You'll learn some day
@rellbandoo65729 ай бұрын
When I play him, my no sugar coat moves are definitely f4, hellsweep and spamming electric on whiff.
@YOLO222729 ай бұрын
An underrated T8 addition is sound effects to wavedashes
@carloshernandez31779 ай бұрын
Fax, it's so satisfying to wavedash into electric or even just to flex
@90Jacobelee9 ай бұрын
Sounds terrible
@toxicink729 ай бұрын
Wow true dude! A lot of great little details make this a great game
@deleonfountain82209 ай бұрын
From his 8 minute kazuya video - “get them on the ground then it’s mishima’s game.” No kidding. The second they got grounded they lost the round.
@charlieflight6124Ай бұрын
The problem is getting them grounded. Especially when they know the matchup.
@mrlion88349 ай бұрын
I love how Kaz's heat engages the devil form in a natural way that doesn't feel broken, since other characters have heat forms as well, but is unique to his character lore and design. Amazing stuff.
@ScarletGensokyo119619 ай бұрын
I was skeptical about heat at first but i think they executed the system very well.
@Sir-.-9 ай бұрын
Absolutely, it's just so awesome that he turns into the Devil 😈666 😈 😍 😅
@Natha_Kun9 ай бұрын
@@ScarletGensokyo11961 i mean generally heat is just about extending your combos and making some of your moves really feel impactful via more hyper armors for turning the tide in your favor
@Hinokami7779 ай бұрын
@@Sir-.-you’re weird seek therapy
@Sir-.-9 ай бұрын
@@Hinokami777 it wouldn't save me. It wouldn't save you either 😈
@martianmale19159 ай бұрын
Emotionless passion got me fiending for a kazuya video and here it is
@HeavisideDelta9 ай бұрын
The creativity in the combos especially at the wall is very impressive. It gives us Kazuya scrubs lota of ideas, thanks!
@LoliciousXD9 ай бұрын
playing Kaz for 29 years is WILD.
@NYG59 ай бұрын
Hey, nothing as easy as getting old. I've been playing Kaz since I got Tekken 2 in 1995 as a little kid.
@Timethyclicketh9 ай бұрын
@@NYG5since tekken 1 for me. Been doing that spinning kick thing since day one😂
@NYG59 ай бұрын
@@Timethyclicketh still doing it as our reaction times and vision degrade 1% every year lmao
@Timethyclicketh9 ай бұрын
@@NYG5 my bad. Meant that's what I did in tekken 1. It's obviously useless nowadays 😂
@Timethyclicketh9 ай бұрын
@@NYG5 can't wait to finally own tekken 8, a brokie like me is stuck watching videos, but the tekken 7 experience will carry me I think when I do. How are you guys okay with 3 electrics, no bound? I'd be pissed about that, that's what I do everytime. His combos look kinda meh here, the 34 cancel just look like a fancier jab float but I haven't played it yet so whatever.
@blvckkaviar96589 ай бұрын
"Gotta warm up my Mishima stuff" 5 Seconds Later "Okay Lets Go"
@clairemadeinheaven9 ай бұрын
I love the character commentary during your matches, thank you
@louievazquez52319 ай бұрын
Every now and then I get this slight anxiety attack when I see TMM in Red Ranks, and how it could be any second he too will put me on display to teach the whole world my bad habits. Then I remember Im in America. And we have no bad habits.
@lilupgrade34489 ай бұрын
u talking that sh❌t louie
@1Ksheffi9 ай бұрын
Watching Mainman play Kazuya is like watching a Tekken clinic. He is so damn good, I can only aspire to be that.
@alvinkim13059 ай бұрын
Love how your career is going. I am so happy for you.
@SmokeyVoyage869 ай бұрын
Yep. Best Tekken ever as a true fan..... From one to eight, been thru the ups and downs for 20 yrs and more if God's willing. That's why you are da MainMan!! Respect bro.
@abdelghanitaleb44729 ай бұрын
TMM; this is a really bad matchup Also TMM; perfect round and whoops their asses
@charlieflight6124Ай бұрын
Yeah 29 years of experience does that to a mf.
@iskalley9 ай бұрын
Mainman playing Kazuya is always superior content
@smugaladdin83729 ай бұрын
Jin mains are the only people in the world who believe Jin is bad. Nothing is ever strong enough for them it's bizarre.
@MCMoody_8 ай бұрын
As a jin main I can confirm my boy busted in this game and I love it, but he isn't the only busted character in this game bye far😂
@ricardothepilot61989 ай бұрын
Main man always sounds like my dentist whenever hes beating the shit out of people 1:23
@Coolcatcvr9 ай бұрын
When ur on demotion and run into Tmm kazuya😂
@ilikestamps29789 ай бұрын
Damn 29 years... I can't even be alive for 29 seconds 💀
@MokBn119 ай бұрын
Lots of people saying Kazuya is mid to low tier but watching you play him makes seem pretty cracked. Its what I love about Tekken honestly anything can work with enough matchup knowledge and execution
@NYG59 ай бұрын
I have to say the ranks seem to have settled and now you get actual players at Shinryu and above. Players are a lot tighter on this level with better space control and awareness of spacing. I hit a wall at this point because I keep playing like it's Tekken 7 where EWGF, db2, ss3 all had good tracking, and they keep blowing up my whiffs really well.
@shadenexus74368 ай бұрын
Gets blocked or beat in any fashion: He’s watching me guys, he’s sniping
@SamTheSugarSenpai9 ай бұрын
42:46 Jin vs Kazuya even on their story stage, what a great fight, best one in the video! 🔥 „Speak of the devil and he shall appear…“
@TokyoAqua789 ай бұрын
It wasnt story costume. It wasnt story stage. Fallen Destiny is Story Stage.
@vitto79229 ай бұрын
your sportsmanship on that Xiaoyu is admirable.
@DetrasDeTiImbecil9 ай бұрын
As a MK scrub trying to learn tekken, your Kazuya is the best thing to watch
@KiseRyota4Life9 ай бұрын
Descending into subconscious with blowin up the enemy every time it goes to 2nd stage is fire
@muamerzoronjic78469 ай бұрын
His kazuya gameplays are the best content.
@JamalTaylor-uu3oz9 ай бұрын
TOO A AMATEUR 😂 !!!!!! HE IS NO TRUE KAZUYA MASTER !!!! ( NOTHING PERSONAL TRUELY - YOU AND HIM PROBABLY A GREAT PERSON - A RESPECTED CHILD OF GOD ) !!!!!
@BuffaloBill8799 ай бұрын
@JamalTaylor-uu3oz stop the yapping
@Dishanta_Goswami9 ай бұрын
@@JamalTaylor-uu3oz🤡
@ShayzenDG9 ай бұрын
@@JamalTaylor-uu3ozwho’s says pros and competitive players don’t watch him? Just cuz you don’t think it’s entertaining u can just keep scrolling😂
@JamalTaylor-uu3oz9 ай бұрын
@@ShayzenDG No he entertaining but even he knows he's an amateur his skills are very weak in comparison to true fighting Players GODS THAT CAN SMASH HIM IN 15 SECS - I KNOW PLAYERS THAT CAN SMASH HIM QUICKLY!!!!! #SKILLSUPGRADE (NOT PERSONAL - SPORTSMANSHIP - PS5 I CANT WAIT TO GET MY HANDS ON HIM ) !!!!! #KazuyaKing IF IT TOOK U 25 YEARS TO PLAY KAZUYA THE WAY U DO U ARE TRUELY TRASH #SKILLSBETTER☝️
@ibi-hhc78709 ай бұрын
Bro doing triple perfect electrics like its nothing 😮
@kendallhampton4959 ай бұрын
Crazy part is he’s casually adding commentary on his stream while doing it 😭
@alfalfaanand61139 ай бұрын
You will get used to it Welcome to Tekken my dude 😂
@LightTrack-9 ай бұрын
29 years. It literally is nothing. Dude has been living and breathing Tekken longer than most of us have been alive. To say it's muscle memory is an understatement. Like to him, something impressive must be creative and hard to pull off that you don't normally see even at his skill level.
@rioletharrison9 ай бұрын
he can do 7
@Uppercuts7189 ай бұрын
Very classy on that Xiaoyu match
@Synthpopper9 ай бұрын
He may be a badguy, but he's not a bad guy
@vista14567869 ай бұрын
Zangief has never spoken truer words , Horosho!!!!!
@XxJunPe4chxX9 ай бұрын
TMM is the Tekken player I recommend all new tekken players learn from. Does amazing. Man knows his stuff.
@Synthpopper9 ай бұрын
So he's kinda like the Otz of Tekken
@8minato9 ай бұрын
38:18 what a combo.
@pathylx9 ай бұрын
Learned a lot from this guy, just gotta get my perfect ewgf 😢
@dako911969 ай бұрын
It’s so satisfying watching TMM obliterate the characters that I get beat up by lol
@LouSassol69er9 ай бұрын
How do I do the Kazuya heat hellsweep animation cancel thing? Where he doesn't lift them into the air + slam but still gets the third hit from heat? 8:51 for reference 👍
@jackdominguez2079 ай бұрын
Hold back
@LouSassol69er9 ай бұрын
@@jackdominguez207 thanks yeah figured it out in practice mode
@TokyoAqua789 ай бұрын
It literally is in the training mode. Pls open your eyes tekken players
@ThebabayagaGG7 ай бұрын
use to play so much Mishima now can't handle the control but those electrics are so satisfying to watch...
@SkrillGive-f6f9 ай бұрын
At 32:35 the getback sweep for 2nd set against that Victor, ending it with the wallbreak is so good 💯👏🏿👌🏿👨🏿🍳
@massimilianodelrosso54959 ай бұрын
That Jin match made me realize how crazy Scourge and Divekick are.
@SkrillGive-f6f9 ай бұрын
Jesus christ at 53:21 that Jin got saved by the terrible lag spike. TMM really can adapt based on the lag 😅
@JustReyesCh9 ай бұрын
Love watchin your Kaz, mainman. Biggest reason I wanna climb mount masku, myself. Wanna play like that one day.
@MG_Gambino9 ай бұрын
Straight up, no bullshit, hwaorang has been my favorite character since t3, but the playstyle that I've been trying to develop in every fighting I game, with street fighter being the main game I usually play. Take a rushdown or offensive character and play very passive with that character. The way you're playing kazuya here is goal levels. Kazuya has been one of those characters I've wanted to try out for a long time, and you got me contemplating here. Yes, I can try to develop my hwaorang in a similar fashion, and I know he oozes damage, but when you got a Fucker like kazyua hitting people like grown ass men, you got me thinking some things here 😅😂. Great video. The set against that victor player was good shit. Stay blessed. Edit: The fight with jin was even better 😅😂
@deucecannonthegod67429 ай бұрын
Insane game play 🔥🔥🔥 I’m new to Tekken and I’m learning Kazuya. People say he’s bad but I enjoy playing the character . You do the electric wind god fist like it’s nothing. I struggle to even do it twice in a row lol! And that’s in training mode 😅😂
@tableprinterdoor9 ай бұрын
40:13 how did that hit LOL
@zpl689 ай бұрын
55:59 pretty much main man in nut shell LOL
@Cutthroat__9 ай бұрын
That lili sweep is super slow but you would be suprised how many people fall for it
@eugeneclarkdeleon11139 ай бұрын
Only in low ranks though
@carloshernandez31779 ай бұрын
And many peoples first tekkne is this one, or maybe tekken 7. My first was tekken 3 so for long time players I'll block and launch you 100%. Most players at red and above are going to be the ones who've been with this game forever
@170AndBeyond9 ай бұрын
32:58 This is me all the time. It's cool for the first game, maybe the second. It's just like come on lets go I'm trying to play as much as possible.
@Eriedu9 ай бұрын
It is electrifying to see the viking play Kazuya.
@Its_PizzaTime9 ай бұрын
Playing one character for nearly 30 years is insane. The closest I have is probably Samus in Smash, which is like 18 years maybe
@carloshernandez31779 ай бұрын
True but with a game and char like Kazuya, TMM is at the top % of Kazuyas excluding pros. It's almost necessary to use his that effectively and defend vs the whole cast
@TokyoAqua789 ай бұрын
Who tha fuck enjoys to play samus. Boring ass character
@levyata89642 ай бұрын
Damn that match against Steve was amazing. As a Steve main im scared of TMM Kazuya
@KabalWinsz9 ай бұрын
Watching TMM spamming perfect electrics like nothing makes me want to invest in that hitbox thing real bad
@princekanbatsu23019 ай бұрын
"CBM said Jin is bottom 10" Yeah yeah and Knee said Akuma was bottom tier back in T7 season 1 now let's move on
@RichardIK79 ай бұрын
"this guy's like a tekken god prime" as TMM said, yeah that Garyu jin was punching way above his weight class, awesome player EDIT: Leodes92 is his name, damn good player
@beathanh9 ай бұрын
i used to fight xiaoyu like every couple month in Tekken 7 and even today I fought 3 of them in red ranks. Its like hell
@Cutthroat__9 ай бұрын
Yea she’s insane she can do whatever she wants in this game
@TheSLashera9 ай бұрын
I find it easier against Ling here. May be cause I am better relatively to how I was in T7. Today I 2/0'd a Ling. First time in my life. xD For red ranks just try to get reads on the back stance snake edge. They be spamming that shit.
@Cutthroat__9 ай бұрын
@@TheSLasheraim in purple ranks about to hit blue the xiaoyu’s I play against are insane
@aligeon30899 ай бұрын
I am i ling main and im about to hit fujin if played her for over 15years i think she is weaker in t8 compared to the other characters in de game. In tekken 7 her poke game was way better. But the madeup for it with her 50/50stance
@ItzNeverLupus9 ай бұрын
it literally is hell... ive been fighting some xiaos surprisingly coming up on the ranks. I hate the ppl that pick these lame blue moon characters just for me to forget the matchup since its been so long and get destroyed by xiao mash
@viryadika97169 ай бұрын
I really want to see your Kaz aginst Devilster's Jin one day
@kaiko709 ай бұрын
32:36 That was CRAZY
@AidsTiger9 ай бұрын
Christ the electrics are so clean
@justaguy-q8w8 ай бұрын
i started playing kazyua too for somereason i cant get the electric never xD still enjoying this character so much
@giorgitsartsidze279 ай бұрын
when i started playing Tekken 8 I wondered why you don't loose any ranked points and some people said you will start loosing points when you reach warrior, but he is tenryu and isn't loosing any points. For example at 46:52
@АртурАкбулатов-с1г9 ай бұрын
He skips the animation with start button. So you don't see the cinematic + numbers changing.
@catnipnapkin33299 ай бұрын
When you skip the win cinematic, you also skip the points moving on the bar. He does lose points, you just don't see how many.
@TokyoAqua789 ай бұрын
I wonder how people like you know to breath
@Hachijo3GS9 ай бұрын
Pure Tekken fundamental, gotta love Kazuya
@LadyMaddness59 ай бұрын
Nice vid, as always. I just love playing with Jin, tho. Would love to play against u one day!
@SkrillGive-f6f9 ай бұрын
That Jin was very close game and so much lag too
@Showtimeg99 ай бұрын
Why have i jus noticed in tmm yt pfp his mewing😂😂😂
@TokyoAqua789 ай бұрын
Ok
@pete68919 ай бұрын
as a initiative to support talented players, we shoud start fundraiser and buy that jin a cable...
@SlimInDaScat9 ай бұрын
I like love he got for the game he know every character
@Dragonborn329 ай бұрын
Man I’ve been playing Reina, trying to get a x3 electric combo. I can’t fathom how in the fuck you do it on command. New found respect
@EastLaneDonte9 ай бұрын
Good tips man!
@rustycstick73709 ай бұрын
Have you labbed any balcony breaks? I feel like if you are in heat already and used up your bound, just going for the devil cd 1 is pretty good bc it usually catches, does good damage and still leaves you with a good chunk of heat. With bound I usually go for df 321 and end it with either the f4 steel petal tech or a wall carry move like df 1 df 2 or 4.
@yarinice12 ай бұрын
What MainMan said about Jin's ZEN U+1 was totally hilariously wrong. He was saying 14 frame moves are fast. Sure, but ZEN u+1 isn't 14 frames long - it's 14 frames to activate. It's much much slower than 14 frames. It's easy to react to on block or whiff especially because of its obvious animation.
@PlasmaJam10249 ай бұрын
Kazuya, let's go!!
@mrlazy23439 ай бұрын
damn what a combo man amazing to watch
@lazysavior21259 ай бұрын
Lilli got that snake edge you see from yesterday and my dumb ass will still get hit by it
@Kenpach1249 ай бұрын
Man, seeing your Kazuya Is mesmerizing Lol!🤩
@thatpersoneveryoneknowsbut75339 ай бұрын
Im understanding how to do electrics as i watch tmm more and more im able to do them a little more consistent online im new to Tekken and been practicing Reina awhile i refuse to play her without electrics but im realizing theres actually a rhythm to doings them
@VeXaLVoCo989 ай бұрын
Kazuya is really hard to play I'm curently stuck in shiryu rank. I'm current trying to learn how to do iws 2 or 1+2 its really complicated to do on pad.
@TheTrackingDown9 ай бұрын
did that lili even know how to play the game lol
@JackCrossSama9 ай бұрын
hold on a few minutes while I look up some frame data 6:49
@PerroTrotavidas8 ай бұрын
Contrasting this joly MainMan to the bitter "Everything but 3 characters is BS" were getting in these last videos... man. 18:00
@conciise1369 ай бұрын
2:11 what’s the input for the punch to ground punch?
@ryaneucacion87649 ай бұрын
Db1,2
@conciise1369 ай бұрын
@@ryaneucacion8764 thanks!
@RedSkies309 ай бұрын
"ohh thats Tenryu, ok" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@黃宥展9 ай бұрын
I'm a new playing kaz, can someone teach me the tip of it?
@abdualrhmanaljasmi99629 ай бұрын
The tip is doryaaa
@Xzenoblade1019 ай бұрын
24:24 and 25:10 what r the name of the two tracks?
@pedrodiehl4199 ай бұрын
Is my impression or Mainman's Kazuya is strong than ever?
@09Drdray9 ай бұрын
He's playing lower ranks
@pedrodiehl4199 ай бұрын
true @@09Drdray
@oneofthekindscarf86129 ай бұрын
@@09DrdrayHe did beat Arslan Ash recently on ranked, even in crazy lag which should be affecting him more as a Kaz player Ig Kaz having more tools might bring TMM up
@09Drdray9 ай бұрын
@@oneofthekindscarf8612 TMM is just a really good player in general hes always been that good. Arslan Ash was playing a new character not his main and the lag also makes it hard for Ash. Im not saying TMM is bad i just dont think its fair to say he looks like hes playing better because hes beating up a bunch of scrubs online. Again, TMM is a very good player regardless.
@xzenoho9 ай бұрын
What happened to Kazuya's outro? 41:51 😭
@cmgaming60968 ай бұрын
What’s the backhand after down 1+2?
@josephjoestar9959 ай бұрын
Why does Kaz’s electric seem so much easier to execute in heat?
@raekwonunique27989 ай бұрын
Why don't use parricide fist?
@insanearcadesmen87529 ай бұрын
Need another reina ranked video climbing her to mighty ruler lolz
@xNekomander9 ай бұрын
Damn that's impressive, not very inviting tho hahaha I'm currently on the fece, I love Tekken but can't decide if I really want to jump onto the online train.
@aadid8969 ай бұрын
strong movement is the key
@TokyoAqua789 ай бұрын
Ok
@kittyburger0008 ай бұрын
30 years of tekken experience, still cries ‘broken character’ when not playing well
@Arnuld15Governator9 ай бұрын
Impressive. Now get to purple ranks with Yoshimitsu 🤣
@TokyoAqua789 ай бұрын
Yoshimitsu players are beyond gay
@umerkhan16279 ай бұрын
Man i understand why arsalan is planning to main victor. Hes insane
@Beforezzz9 ай бұрын
Arslan seemingly tends to rely on unga bunga tricks to keep an edge over his competition. All Victor needs is to be a gorgeous french woman to simp over and it's a wrap.
@umerkhan16279 ай бұрын
@@Beforezzz not the same sht as Tekken 7 haters again. Huh
@oneofthekindscarf86129 ай бұрын
@@umerkhan1627I hate the people that assume a top player isn't good simply just because they play a really good and annoying character Like legitimately, game is game. Let them choose who they want, they'll still cook
@umerkhan16279 ай бұрын
@@oneofthekindscarf8612 true tbh bro. It's odd coz it wasn't for arsalan AO also used Kuni in T7, did he win any tourney? No, these people think just choosing a character wins u games
@dudleygt33279 ай бұрын
I first started playing tekken 6 never got the chance to play the older ones because I had broke ass parents so tekken 6 I use to think Steve was the god of tekken then I ran into a god like kazuya electric me every chance he got three perfects i never knew you could duck it I played very 2D lmao so after I resorted to just treasure hunt and customizing characters dude retired me now tekken 8 this game is the best tekken for sure almost every character is dangerous if you put the time in.
@Kookos219 ай бұрын
When do you stream?
@SD-mi2vc9 ай бұрын
He's streaming tomo. He streams most of the week. Depending on your timezone start in the morning. He streams for hours so you're bound to catch it.
@Kookos219 ай бұрын
@@SD-mi2vc thanks
@kleinerradius60539 ай бұрын
@@SD-mi2vc yay :D
@yellowscarlightningscream83479 ай бұрын
Victor is the coolest character in the roster hence its popularity and usability. I am trying to have a secondary, but no other character has clicked yet.
@Coolcatcvr9 ай бұрын
To me devil Jin is the best by far, I’ve tried dragonuv because I think he’s cool how tall he is. I get what you mean try character stories I’ve found love in panda by doing so lol
@benzhq5639 ай бұрын
More like new character, players r curious. His animations are awkward for a new character. Like who swings a knife like that.
@BuffaloBill8799 ай бұрын
That's so lame
@NYG59 ай бұрын
He's not that cool, people play him because he's abaolutely broken and gives you free wins. Stuttery disappearing BS character with massive ranges, tons of strings, evasive panic moves, constant knowledge checks that require perfect execution to counter and zero effort to throw out. He's Tekken 7 Leroy but you don't have to pay to win this time.
@christophersmith59969 ай бұрын
@@NYG5sounds like cope
@MachoMain9 ай бұрын
Hey main man! I was wondering if you think we will ever get tekken on a Nintendo console? Since Kazuya is in smash maybe that would open future possibilities
@conciise1369 ай бұрын
No way. Stop it. Nintendo Switch is terrible and the performance is god awful, see MK1. Devs need to stop wasting time on previous gen let alone Switch Ports
@Bas_Brand9 ай бұрын
Tekken Tag 2 is on WiiU and iirc Tekken 5 is on 3DS
@conciise1369 ай бұрын
@@Bas_Brand yes. Older games, that weren’t made on a big budget, and are from previous gen consoles
@TokyoAqua789 ай бұрын
Why would Mainman answer this bullshit of a question. Let alone switch is garbage for this type of games. Smash looks like gold, mk1 looks like serious ass
@fooltube99999 ай бұрын
I played a Kazuya online that used special mode and had 1 button electrics. How do you folks feel about that?
@TokyoAqua789 ай бұрын
Dont know why everyone complain about that. He has like 2-3 moves with special style. You maybe lose 1 round but then u annihilate them.
@jaylegend11582 ай бұрын
What controller do you play on?
@nubesock52319 ай бұрын
Your wavedashing is wild. Is there a trick or tip to it?
@ramireini9 ай бұрын
Yeah, practice the movement and over time your body will get better at it.
@TokyoAqua789 ай бұрын
What an advice wow haha
@Azoz157_9 ай бұрын
that wavedash is so sexy
@duski46339 ай бұрын
Trying Tekken since forever, couldnt do any electrics. Do i drop Kazuya and learn other characters?
@helooksmad35429 ай бұрын
What type of stick do you use ?
@duski46339 ай бұрын
@@helooksmad3542 i use pad
@Daniel-wz3yv9 ай бұрын
Same, i know the input for ewgf but for the life of me can't seem to get that down df input right on ps4 pad, it's like 15% of the time ewgf and the rest just wgf.
@TokyoAqua789 ай бұрын
Cause you guys probably just idiots. No joke. I have a friend and i can explain like for hours he wouldnt get it either. Df+2 simultaneously. Think like you are pressing 2 before df. It helps really much.
@Daniel-wz3yv9 ай бұрын
@@TokyoAqua78 Idk about the other dude but in my case it was actually my crappy pad messing up the input lmao, switched to a new one and stopped getting an extra df before 2, it wasn't as hard as i thought i was just getting super inconsistent inputs like 70% of the time.