TMNT 2003: Shredders intelligence

[@ImEmpathyTV]

This show doesn't have many plot holes, but this is certainly one of them 🤣

[@ThePreciseClimber]

Seems like most of them centre around the Shredder. Stuff like: 1. Ch'rell not being able to find the Utroms even though Mortu was a public figure. 2. The Utrom Guardians thinking Ch'rell died when Leo decapitated his exosuit. 3. Zero hints regarding the Tengu Shredder in the first 3 seasons. 4. Ch'rell coming back to life thanks to the "biocytes" after the Utrom building imploded. 5. Splinter knowing the modern Shredder was an "Utrom Shredder" in the Season 5 flashback episode. 6. Ch'rell having the same voice as the Tengu Shredder for some reason (I think Tengu Shredder should've had a different face design & voice, to be honest).

[@ImEmpathyTV]

@@ThePreciseClimber I agree with all of these!

[@robbiewalker2831]

@@ImEmpathyTV This is probably why Oroku Sawaki being paired with the Krang would've been better, rather than combine the two characters. I don't mean like have a bunch of Utroms that are traitors under a different name, I mean like have one Utrom being evil and stripped of his Krangazoid form for rebelling against his own kind, and banishing him to Earth for having an alliance with Rock Soldiers; and meeting Shredder when both of the villains are in New York.

[@walkingcubkid]

To be fair, shredder only gave them that as proof so that he wouldn’t have to tell them that he’s an Utrom as well. Cause it seems like shredder REALLY wanted to keep the utrom thing a secret. Except from karai

[@kawaki4441]

Mortu could've had several monikers that Shredder knew him as in the past. Also, he didn't necessarily have to tell the truth to Foot Tech ninja.

[@cesarvictoriano8072]

I could see that. Even Shredder would admit the idea of Mortu having his name just out in the open like that after all those years seemed too good to be true. Either a trap or coincidence.

[@The_D_ray]

Well I mean, Shredder also believed to the bullshit that Stockman told him about the death of the Turtles.

[@PolskiGamer17]

Well, in that case Stockman DID fake the evidence

[@MasterKnightDH]

​@@PolskiGamer17 Trusting Stockman at all after mutilating his body TWICE.

[@The_D_ray]

@@MasterKnightDH Exactly.

[@anomalocaris2593]

Stockman faked the dna results, which is mostly conclusive evidence

[@meathead6155]

0:16 Shredder: Grgh, I will not be tolerated with your mockery! Be gone!!!!

[@MasterKnightDH]

Simpsons character: Please forgive me for- Shredder: NO! (Simpsons character attempts to get out of Shredder's inner sanctum but is kept from getting out by an invisible barricade as the doors start closing slowly.) Simpsons character: NO, PLEASE LET ME OUT! SOMEBODY, DON'T LET ME GET SUBJECTED TO THE GORY DISCRETION SHOT! LETMEOUTLETMEOOOOUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! (The doors shut entirely and all we then here is a "YOOOOOOO" sound.)

[@autobotproductions1244]

a thousand years of searching and all Shredder had to do to find Mortu was a google search... wow

[@slendertentacle]

Lol Also wasn't smart enough to use Foot Mystics to find utroms (that's how Karai found turtles in S4 btw)

[@autobotproductions1244]

@@slendertentacle oh yeah, forgot about that

[@ArcTrooperRod-269]

WORST PART, IN SEASON 4 WE SAW A FLASHBACK WERE SHREDDER FOUGHT WITH THE UTROMS IN THE PREVIOUS TCRI BUILDING

[@jamesmcneil3412]

I thought shredder was supposed to be a smart villain

[@MasterKnightDH]

I'm more concerned about Ch'reddhead remarking repeatedly "none of you will leave here alive."

[@kradanbandicootovich6444]

That got me off guard

[@exterminate5444]

I think Motru upload his website after Shredder's defeat.

[@yatfailam6393]

Angry hothead intelligence, only success is matter, Baxter would judge this in his superior way and laugh like the Yellow American.

[@saito4432]

I'd also argue not adding a protective plate over the abdomen of his Oroku Saki exosuits (to protect his Utrom flesh) was also proof of his "intelligence". That would have been useful when he got pierced by one of Splinter's arrows in Exodus Pt. I

[@ashesGeek]

And people say this Shredder is vicious and conniving. He was exactly that much of an idiot Stockman described him. He wasted his time finding one junk piece of Utrom exo-suit and spent the entire season building a spaceship instead of just using his influence and connections to get one from NASA and modify it to get to Utrom planet.

[@jaykimmerman8608]

@@ashesGeek and what about that time the Utroms and the Guardians were about to escape via the transmat and Shredder decided to have all four Elite Ninja AND Hun chase spider Stockman instead of helping him detain his enemies? Which also proved to be pointless because Stockman escaped anyway.

[@ashesGeek]

@jaykimmerman8608 not only that, but he also wasted time talking about taking revenge instead of just attack Utroms and Guardians. Yep, that's the smart Shredder that should be feared. And Back to the Sewers plot made Karai dumb too since what was the point of going with revenge if she could just activate her father's digital copy and basically 3d print him. 2012 Shredder was dumb at times with not covering Karai's cell in case she could've fallen into mutagen, but at least he was viciously smart to try mutating Turtles into snakes who would tear Splinter apart, he was smart to come up with mind-controlling worm and, my favorite one, it was so dumb yet brilliant to make a bomb attached to ideal copy of Karai's body.

[@jaykimmerman8608]

@@ashesGeek as much as 2003 Shredder is my favorite, I can see why in Best Shredder polls he doesn't always win in a clear landslide. No matter how cool he looks or how awesome his voice is, you just can't beat dumb writing.

[@ashesGeek]

@jaykimmerman8608 that, and the facts that the writers not only kept bringing him back which became annoying and made Shredder into a joke, but they either weren't creative or didn't have enough balls to make up new villians instead of making Tengu Shredder and Cyber Shredder. That's the main reason why this show handled Shredder the worst compared to other three. And honestly, Bishop is far superior and more interesting villian than 2003 Shredder ever could be. P.S that's one more reason I prefer 2012 Shredder. Even though he also had 3 different forms, it was still only Oroku Saki, and it was interesting how much he changed with each phase.

[@hermitus9746]

If that Simpson at the end really started laughing at Shredder and called him stupid, his head would be in Shredders base in a few moments

[@MasterKnightDH]

Would Ch'reddhed even be able to get the laughing Simpson into his base to subject him to the Gory Discretion Shot?

[@hermitus9746]

​@@MasterKnightDHMost likely.

[@JoshuaModerwell]

For the next one, do a Foot Ninjas (All scenes) video.

[@Mogetry8320]

hey @Slender Tentale i have a question? can you please tell me where you got these Very Good Quality episodes of tmnt 2003? Thanks!

[@slendertentacle]

RexRude99 released them on KZbin. Sadly, they are deleted/privated now. I saved all of them tho

[@Mogetry8320]

@@slendertentacle can you please share them with me please (like uploading them on media fire or mega or something?) So I can download them? I'd really appreciate it thanks!

[@Mogetry8320]

@@slendertentacle tysm

[@soundblaster3852]

do the foot tech ninjas

[@Shinigami_Striker]

That Dark Turtles video has a KZbin Kids on it. You can fix it with KZbin Studio. ⚙

[@brandonvortex995]

for a genocidal galactic war criminal ch"rell sure wasnt soo bright

[@Shinigami_Striker]

That's it? ❓

[@nozarick_vladicka]

lol

[@ThePreciseClimber]

As good as this show was, it sure had some blatant plot holes and retcons.

[@Optimegatrongodzilla]

To be fair, Shredder only knew that Hamato Yoshi was living in NYC. As for the whole thing with Mortu, there could actually be a human with the name 'Mortu'.

[@slendertentacle]

Mortu didn't changed his looks after coming to US. Like, at all. It's the same guy Ch'rell: "He looks the same as Mortu, has the same name as Mortu and he created TCRI in US right after I attacked his hideout in Japan. It's gotta be a coincidence, I'm not even gonna check this guy out" Not buying it, sorry. And if he didn't know about TCRI and Mortu-human who created it, then he is stupid