To Beat the iPhone, You Must... Be the iPhone?

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[@Starboy-_-]

In Europe even if you have an iPhone, you simply use WhatsApp. It's almost rude to initiate a discussion with someone you meet for the first time using Apple messages which may or may not revert to SMS depending on the other person's device. You simply don't do it. The fact that iMessage and FaceTime are considered 'lock-in' cultural phenomena in the US is the most head-scratching thing for us.

[@Onaterdem]

Let's build a wall such that >50% of smartphone users can't access our world, instead of using the same-quality, free, widely available alternative!

[@agspr]

it's not only Europe. this is the way it is in most of the world.

[@Hielkez]

True, though I will instantly switch to Facetime if i get the chance. Just so much more crisp.

[@SsingAhh]

have you tried facetime? the quality beats whatsapp video call by miles.

[@somethingsomethingsomethingdar]

I take it as an insult when someone messages me on what’s app. Facebook owns that system and actively uses it to gather information on users.

[@OrangestarLover]

What’s weird is that Japan has a surprisingly high iPhone rate and people buy iPhones because they’re iPhones but none of them use FaceTime or iMessage and use some third party apps.

[@ayushj6216]

Even Korea and China has huge number of iPhones surprisingly.

[@AdmiralFloof]

That's normal. Facetime and iMessage is primarily used in US. Like my whole family uses iPhone, talk about 30+ iPhones across ages but all of us uses Whatsapp instead.

[@CalumRaasay]

TBH that's similar to Europe. I don't know many people that use iMessage or FaceTime over things like WhatsApp, snapchat, messenger etc.

[@shimmya]

lowkey imessage kinda sucks in comparison of third party apps like whatsapp

[@ahsokaincognito]

​@@ayushj6216It's a status symbol there, and the peer pressure of iMessage isn't there because of WeChat, Line, Kakao etc. It's similar in Germany, people don't use iMessage for groups but WhatsApp

[@maple_fields]

It's WILD how much has changed in the 6 days since this was uploaded. Nothing has canceled its iMessage service, and Apple has announced that the iPhone will support RCS next year.

[@dustcake2576]

They cancelled it really?

[@ezra3518]

@@dustcake2576 Yeah cause they lied about everything and it was laundry list of things not to do. NOT E2E encrypted. Stored messages in plain text. Any media you sent (video, pix) was PUBLICLY available - it could be pulled from servers by anyone with a little know-how. Crazy.

[@cm.design]

"It's all encrypted" - Marques, buying what he's told by Nothing and Sunbird hook, line, and sinker because they let him announce it exclusively.

[@khoirulanam9141]

What's wild is that there are still people who buy Apple products, my MacBook is broken and they say it can't be repaired, when the warranty runs out you spend a lot of money on repairs, everything has to be original!!! no wonder their shares are worth 3 trillion dollars!!!!

[@Harsh-mg2em]

They haven't, but there were problems with encryption. It is down for now, but not yet cancelled@@dustcake2576

[@ogidy001]

Thank you for being the only KZbinr on this topic to have an awareness of what happens outside of the US. Also, I live in Japan where iPhones are clearly the dominant smartphone but no one uses iMessage here either - everything is LINE.

[@seepranavg]

You guys use phone in English or your native language... say Japanese?

[@EikottXD]

To my knowledge he's the only KZbinr that nothing advertises through with new releases and such.

[@nguyengiabao2176]

Same as in Vietnam, everyone's own an iphone here but we still use Zalo and Messenger instead of iMessage

[@NECOdes]

line is pretty good, it used to be very popular in my country before Telegram came out

[@jonathanraynard8572]

@@seepranavgof course japanese

[@_zaverus]

I'm getting the "Apple suing the developers of this app" vibes already

[@cookiekrumel]

same here

[@HypeCole]

They will stop it one way or another

[@viralpakistanivideos.1079]

Why the hell aint anybody talkin about this

[@_zaverus]

@@HypeCole they probably will just use security as a reason to shut it down

[@TrentonMatthews]

They'll be going after three if them, now that I think about it: 1. Sunbird (which I am a testor for). 2. AirMessage 3. Beeper

[@shuban863]

As a teenager myself, I constantly have to defend my pixel 7 pro against all my iPhone user friends. And the weird thing is that almost all of them think Samsungs are the only androids. Gotta give props to Apple though, they got them early, and they got them good.

[@_sawbonz_]

I love how mega corporations like Apple engineer what's cool and what's not in the US

[@person.w9780]

That is sad.

[@cadenmam3853]

ur broke!😂

[@tofifichannel7199]

​@cadenmam3853 - says little timmy with his 110 dollar iphone 7

[@florabritannica]

And then gouge them for memory for ever after. That was what drove me away from iPhones a decade ago (though I am still an Apple laptop user) and it looks like they still do it. It felt like an abusive relationship. Like: hot guy, but mean. Not worth having, ultimately.

[@Goldiebike]

Yesterday they announced that Sunbird is shutting down for security concerns. I am pretty sure that this video had a big impact on them

[@alexandr0id]

And security risks they were! This video ages well. Kudos Marques for highlighting potential security issues which materialized in the worst possible way after Nothing launched their "app".

[@ramon475]

It's crazy to me how the US is so deep into the Apple ecosystem and how it's virtually impossible to live with an Android phone because everyone uses the Apple messaging apps (iMessage, FaceTime, etc) In Europe, whether you have an iPhone or an Android, everyone just uses third party apps like whatsapp so you can pick either phone and you'll be fine

[@kingjames6731]

And I absolutely hate that, how everyone here in the US uses the iPhone exclusively. It’s so crazy to me. There are SO many interesting/cool phones out there that no one is experiencing because of this weird spell Apple has over so many people. I have an IPhone currently because everyone else does 🤦🏽‍♂️ But once the S24 Ultra drops, I’m on to that and not coming back

[@zaka2630]

​@@kingjames6731even the S23 Ultra is leagues beyond the current iPhones. S24 will make the gap even bigger

[@DanKaschel]

Just to temper the dialog here, I live in the US and happily use a Pixel 8 Pro. I don't have any issues and rarely if ever get blue bubble shade. 49% is a huge market share for one company, but they don't even have a technical majority much less a practical one.

[@dayko.]

@@DanKaschel How old are you if you don't mind me asking? He said in the video 87% of teenagers use iPhones so obviously if you aren't a teenager 1. there is less pressure and 2. If so many teenagers use iPhones that would mean the percentages for the remaining population flip quite a bit since overall 51% use Android meaning adults favor Androids quite heavily to balance out the stats.

[@Keneo1]

Im from europe and refuse to use whatsapp and is very difficult, people don’t seem to understand why I refuse to use it. I have made a keynotr presentation and send it to them and present it and still they think i am the weird one for insisting on using signal I really really prefer iMessage above whatsap but i have more success getting people to use signal then to get them to use iMessage

[@louaibettein9700]

Ah yes, the classic "if you can't beat em, become them"

[@shinozu]

Join them

[@TOPEBIGGIE]

You have to join them

[@louaibettein9700]

@@shinozu I'm aware,

[@vivaanreddy8771]

More like u have become the very thing u swore to destroy

[@louaibettein9700]

@@vivaanreddy8771 "I HATE YOU"

[@arthurdurham]

The name of the company makes a lot of what he says unintentionally funny. Like "I confirmed this with nothing" so confidently when making a point.

[@MustachedMovieMan]

Thank you for highlighting the security and privacy concern. Sunbird themselves weren't really forthcoming on _how_ their product would work. So thank you for shedding some light on the subject.

[@brandonlee7382]

Just seems so much easier just to buy an iPhone as android doesn't really offer much different, iPhone and Samsung are so similar these days. I don't know anyone only messaging on imessage so I'm sticking with my Samsung and then giving apple ago because I have been using Samsung phones for 6 years and it feels boring but safe at the same time as I'm so use to how my android functions even though its probably not that different. I might get the iPhone 20 just so I can say to my sister that my iPhone is better 😂 Samsung and Apple are pretty much the same price so its fifty fifty. Enjoying my s23 ultra which isn't much better than my s21 plus but you live and learn I guess. Iphone 6 was the last iPhone I owned and I loved that thing. When I got my Samsung galaxy s8 I was like wow that screen is so damn beautiful and modern. I had iPhone 6 then S8, s10plus, s21plus, s23ultra. So I'm probably due to go back to apple as smasung isn't as unique as they use to be.

[@GarlicbreadmanOP]

I have said this a million times before and it bears repeating a million more times, but America absolutely loves to find creative solutions to problems that shouldnt exist in the first place.

[@xuanbachpham9752]

Nothing is a British company BTW.

[@ana_carolina251]

*companies... American companies... And they also are the ones who create the problems that shouldn't exist in the first place

[@crashn2me105]

Maybe so but innovation and creativity is a truly American trait and the rest of the world simply follows...........

[@GaneshPalraj1991]

@@crashn2me105 emm No.

[@adamwood66669]

Well said! 😂😂😂

[@davis6123]

As a college student in the US, the analysis of the iPhone effect is right on. Not having an iPhone is almost a sin to our generation. You’ll be left out, intentionally or unintentionally.

[@Abdi_Akhmet]

Too. In my region. People buy iPhone, because it's just an iPhone

[@Grass_Muncher]

Same here in the UK. There is not as much *phone discrimination* but the iphoje usage is probably like 80%

[@hankagura5355]

What I dont understand is... whats so wrong with that? If you are mentally grown up enough you wont care about being left out because fake friends want you to have blue bubbles. Plus why do people hate on iPhones? Because they are the apex phone the best. Simply put.

[@Raunhofer]

@@hankagura5355 Why do iPhone users hate android users? Because they are the apex phones the best. Simply put.

[@dansgoingcrazy]

I think it's less about hating on them and more that they are so expensive. Not everyone can afford an iPhone. But heck, not everyone wants an iPhone either. But it would be nice to have an android phone that worked as well with iPhones and iPhones work with iPhones

[@reneev1010]

Thank you T & T ..... always being trusted and transparent! I honestly do not care for your other change with the co-host because else seems to be it across the screen like you do.... JS..... Keep it up

[@SpaceLike9]

Set up and lighting of video 🔥👌🏾

[@TanayGhose]

5:54 Props to Marques for calling out the potential security concerns, despite being quite close to Carl Pei and Nothing

[@tejaswiguddu]

That’s his job, if he indeed considers himself a responsible influencer

[@theherk]

In my view he doesn’t highlight just how significant the risk is. In my view that takes Nothing out of the running for deserving any business from anybody under any circumstance. And all regulatory bodies should prevent requesting credentials in this way.

[@verycalmgamer4090]

props for doing what you are supposed to do?

[@jdm4087]

@@verycalmgamer4090 In general, it's very common for media people to conveniently omit and downplay a flaw because they do not want to burn bridges in order to keep their network and connections intact. Movies, video games, etc reviewers/critics/journalists want to have access to privileges such as early access, event invitations, insider info, contacts, etc. I don't know if MKBHD does, but he's a big name in his space, so he definitely has a network and connections.

[@hypernovafx]

​@@theherkI understand how you think, but you're still only logging into an encrypted server farm, so it's not like anyone could go into sunbirds office and access your messages. Also did you see the wall of Terms and Conditions before being able to log in? Bet it stands there too.

[@leonelbethancourtm.341]

We need more companies with their own identity…

[@Smart_boy2001]

​@@MrDJ2004translate! いいえ

[@zanesmith6384]

100 percent @@Smart_boy2001

[@delduked]

people are too "tribal" or "fanboy". They want to be a part of a brand or want to be normal and but whatever everyone else own. I think most people today can't think for themselves. Especially for teenagers as Marques mention. They want to fit in and be normal. "normal people use iPhone" -- teenagers.

[@dannymartial7997]

Who’s “we”? Because most companies with their own identities go under. Clearly, the market disagrees.

[@TMM6900]

Sony

[@philiptaylor2366]

I think Marques is going to have to issue a retraction/clarification here, given the horrific security issues that have been uncovered regarding the Nothing Chat app…

[@harishe6069]

To be fair, MKBHD indeed has said there are security concerns and red flags to use an apple account for this... But yeah it would be good if there is a clarification video for the same...

[@JohnScigulinsky]

@@harishe6069 I believe he only said that just so people can't attack him on it later. He can be all "oh, well, I DID SAY there are concerns." Those concerns, however, didn't stop him from shilling for Nothing. Any person with basic understanding of tech and what Nothing tried to do would tell you it's a bad idea.

[@agentsarcas6891]

@@JohnScigulinsky 💯!!

[@gurvitchiller]

Awesome presentation very informative as always

[@DiamondMaster115]

I am a teen, and use a Pixel 7a, and I have to say, it also depends on where you live. If you are in a city, the iPhone pressure is so freakin high because everyone has their phones out, and constantly looking at what other phones people have and judging you by it. If you live in a more rural place, people could care less about what phone you used. I'm between the two types of places, but nobody I've been around has shown disgust that I'm not using an iPhone, and I will almost always be using a Pixel regardless of what others say...

[@DemonSlayer-vh8uy]

i think the power of apple is iphone + mac together. teenagers are fickle by nature. if you give them a better camera with a powerful laptop, they will leave the ecosystem. that is a hard battle though. Nothing Chat is a cool strategy, i am not sure if it will work or not because think from a teenager's perspective- maybe he/she is not caught using an iphone because of "nothing chat" for 2-3 days/weeks. what is the end game here? eventually people will know and when they know the humiliation will be same...its just delaying the inevitable....and nothing phone 2 is not cheap also...so why go through the hassle and abuse when you are paying so much....the only solution is to ignore it completely....and honestly nothing is an enthusiast brand...people who buy it know what they are getting into....us market is the literally bossed by apple...if apple really has 87% of the the young masses, then it is better not to fight...let it become 99%...americans love to be special...as much as human nature, people will not like it if everyone use the same phone...that's when you pitch in with something different...till then entering usa market is not necessary....just keep a brief presence...that's it...

[@DiamondMaster115]

@@DemonSlayer-vh8uy Looks like we have an essay-writing Apple fanboy on our hands, who wants to promote domination of Apple devices if I'm not mistaken. The end-game is to make communicaiton better between Apple and Android users, since Apple won't do anything. That's what Nothing is trying to accomplish with this. Nothing Phone 2 is still cheaper than the cheapest iPhone in the 15 series. It's not good if the entirety of teens in the US to use iMessage, that could lead to privacy invasion and other unencryption problems... A startup company that promotes a unique design, and most importantly, has their userbase, not their money, as their main reason for what they do is just what the US needs. A break between the two smartphone manufacturers and coming in the middle at the same time. People who have a nothing product should be proud of what they got, because they're not being ripped off unlike Apple users... Speaking from a honest-to-death, pro-consumers fact-based opinions perspective...

[@tawsikabdullah]

Where do you live?

[@handlemonium]

Yeah same here. Out in a suburb near farmland. Though I've always been a hardware-first kind of guy so I basically disregard all the ecosystem BS and buy whatever phone has the best modularity or repairability or most versatile camera suite or best tuned speakers or whatever. Sometimes people on the train or on campus even notice and say "cool phone!" 😁😎

[@morebarsmoreplaces24]

I highly doubt people in the city care what kind of phone you have. The only time it’s ever mattered is in friend groups with people wanting to use iMessage within a friend group.

[@Backfisch64]

After seeing this video, I’m really not surprised anymore that the US still relies so much on SMS and MMS if this is the only way to communicate with iPhone users from an Android phone. For me, it’s very common to have multiple messenger apps installed, but even here in Europe, many people are not willing to use something other than WhatsApp 😂

[@NewDay14]

Signal > WhatsApp > SMS

[@shanep.7184]

Here’s the thing though, for people who’ve used iMessage, other apps are just plain inferior. iMessage is ridiculously feature packed compared to WhatsApp, Messenger, etc. it’s a shame only iPhone users get to use it

[@b0nsta]

Telegram..

[@ItsaB3AR]

@@b0nstatelegram is good, but doesn’t encrypt by default, so many people would use it insecurely.

[@justinhadasch]

@@NewDay14Why do people use signal? Looks goofy

[@MorganTheGorgon]

Annnnd less than a week later, Nothing pulled it from the play store because of privacy concerns with Sunbird. Apparently it isn’t even end-to-end encrypted 👀

[@JBR.1974]

Well that went well

[@paskowitz]

Not for nothing, but can we appreciate Marques and team creating such pleasing backgrounds. The red and blue with the I think natural light hitting the wall is 👌

[@SMTHandelGmbH]

Nice one ... keep it up !

[@David-kl4kn]

Colors were awesome. The thing that bothered me was the random change in the reflection of the light coming in from outside (presumably cars passing by)

[@sreekumar1813]

​@@imshartednot a green screen

[@ChadYu]

yeah it's pretty sexy

[@reginovelasco5290]

No

[@filip.a.]

its a weird topic because right now EU is investigating whether they should designate iMessage as a gatekeeper service and thus open it up to competitors, what that means im not sure... could make iMessage downloadable on other app stores or make apple integrate RCS, either way this is an interesting time we are living in, and next 6-12 months will be spicy because apple is already working on side loading for EU users and should include it by law until march/april at the latest sooo yeah

[@AcidifiedMammoth]

Question: Why should it be declared as a gatekeeper app? Are companies/groups no longer allowed to make exclusive features to their customers/members? If they call it gatekeeping wouldn't that set a precedent? Genuinely curious, since on one hand I don't like Apple all too much myself but I have also heard that the message and video services are just very good. I strongly dislike the European Union but the switch to USB-C was welcome. I don't exactly want to support the Corporate Juggernauts Apple, but then again the Multinational Governing Body EU is awful too.

[@peterparker-zy9oe]

​@@AcidifiedMammothnah eu is the best. They gave us the usb c in iphones. Now they are saving us from KZbin's anti ad block and this.

[@Onaterdem]

@@AcidifiedMammoth Because on one hand they own iMessage, but on the other hand they do not support RCS, which is basically universal iMessage. They are intentionally crippling the messaging app when messaging non-iPhone users, which is extremely anti-consumer and should be regulated.

[@nullrox]

@@AcidifiedMammothi just hate being forced into iPhones because of iMessage

[@KolnFriedChicken]

@@AcidifiedMammoth Serious question: What's wrong with a multinational governing body like the EU when it comes to protection of customers and preservation of the enviroment? The EU is reason why our food is healthier and very affordable, why our air is clean and our water is safe to drink without hesitation. How are profit orientated organisations better in any way possible than govermental, non-profit organisations when it comes to preservation and protection??? The worst thing that could possible happening is corruption which then would mean that the interest of the profit orientated organisation in the end wins, so the worst thing possible to happen would be the status quo of not having these institution at all. Companies are allowed to make exclusive features to their customers but not if they have a quasi monopoly because that would expand their mopnopoly which is always bad for the customer and the market.

[@user-oh4yo9pu5n]

Thank you for being the only KZbin on this topic to have an awareness of what happens outside of the us.

[@sajadghaffari143]

Great music at the end 👍🏼

[@KalStormborn]

I was in Uni in 2016, we started with maybe 30% of the people with mac. By the time we were in our 4th year there was about 85%+ macs. It is quite insane how that goes. This is in Australia as well, windows laptop is essentially for uni students who had no job and couldn't afford to buy their own mac. I have a sister and she literally bought a refurbished mac in 9th grade for like half the price just to fit in with her classmates. It is insane how much of a chokehold that Apple has on the youth.

[@marksman6803]

I agree with iPhones getting hyped up just cause of the necessary imessage and facetime in the US but macs are a real good product and is leaps ahead the windows competition… apple’s ubiquity with iPhones is not good but macs are completely fine .. offers solid build - chips - support- power everything…

[@SaadKidwai]

At Swinburne in Melbourne, my class mates had to ditch their Macs because most of the Engineering programs didn't run on MacOS. Depends on what discipline and Uni you are at. But I'd imagine anything that isn't Engineering is Apple central these days.

[@morganadaltress9036]

The thing is, if you're not in a specialized field like Engineering, Architecture, and others that require Laptops with powerful GPU's, then Macbooks are the way to go. In particular, the M1 to M3 series of Macs are easily the best laptops I've ever used for regular daily activities. They have huge bateries--literally lasts 18 hours--and the screen along with the build quality are top notch. For all the wrong things Apple has done, Macbooks are not one of them.

[@nlc_kts]

​​@@SaadKidwai Not quite right actually, especially in SE Asia, as an example. Macs are only considered to be "for the rich" only, and almost everyone here uses Windows computers, as they're cheaper and more accessible.

[@star_editz]

6:08 , ooh there comes the end to Nothing chat in the US ... Can you relate ?

[@macdisciple]

I’ve been on college campuses for 15 years and have watched the % of Mac laptops in the campus coffee shop go from 30% to 80%. No doubt this in part is due to iPhone ownership and loyalty to Mac ecosystem.

[@michelrahme9185]

Hope you graduate soon

[@jacobhaft9714]

Honestly I don't think the Mac ecosystem is having as large of an impact on people purchasing it as the iPhone ecosystem has on people purchasing those. The iPhone is pretty clearly inferior in a lot of ways to competitors, but for Macs, they've genuinely been a competitive product for power and build quality even disregarding the ecosystem. I'm a CS student, and I would've bought a MacBook for college if I could've ensured all of the required engineering/CS software would work on it (it wouldn't so I stuck with windows). But yeah, I don't think the Mac loyalty has anywhere near the ubiquity of the iPhone loyalty.

[@Wanted797]

I was there from 2010 to 2013. I started in IT and Mac was hated. By 2013 I came back and nearly everyone had one.

[@CookieCurls]

@@jacobhaft9714 what wouldn’t run on Mac that you needed? I find this surprising as someone who has been a SWE for 15 years and almost everyone I’ve ever worked with has preferred Mac, and a lot of the tools we use are a pain to set up on Windows. Also, the iPhone is not inferior. I could probably list 20 reasons why I think it’s better, for both end users and for developers, but I’m tired of arguing it.

[@shreenandandas6479]

​@@CookieCurlsMicrosoft Applications. Most open source software. OutSystems Android Studio etc. On the other hand, what software was a pain to setup on windows that installed smoothly on MacOS?

[@samuel_amedetor]

This set looks great 👍🏾

[@jdmji]

Interesting, an open source self hosted solution would be nice. I would be happy to put an old mac mini to use as a home server running the routing server. Edit: I stand corrected - there is airmessage which does just that.

[@krazzyrahul8092]

Peer pressure is really a big thing to deal amongst teenagers. Getting excluded just you dont have an iPhone is insane 💀. I'm an Android user though using the same phone for over 4 years now.

[@Sfdi123]

Exactly man, I have a Samsung s21 fe ( that costs 400 plus pounds) and I love it but getting excluded cause you don't have an iPhone is wild

[@krazzyrahul8092]

@@Sfdi123Yeah. Monopoly over there. Even I have friends over US. They communicate with me over WhatsApp. I mean whatsapp is available for all right. Why this iMessage FaceTime thingy I will never know 💀

[@jakenguyen1150]

Is that something that really happens often in the US? I mean, I've been to a few states in the U.S but I have never even heard about such a thing. Well, tbf, I am not a young teenager but I'm still in my 20s, still "Genz" enough. I only heard about these things about "Android getting excluded" online but I have never seen or heard about it in real life. Maybe because I live in Asia so it's different here. If anything, I only saw more Apple users getting excluded and insulted nowadays for owning one. Like I recently switched to Apple eco, and I couldn't even count the number of times people online have called me an iSheep because I only said i liked my Apple devices on Facebook or KZbin. 💀

[@AgentOffice]

Apple creates bullying

[@AgentOffice]

Very evil company

[@alejorag]

What's weird is that here in Colombia basically everyone I know owns an iPhone (myself included) yet we all use mainly WhatsApp for texting. Nonetheless there's been a recent trend where at parties or events you're told to keep your AirDrop open so they can send you pictures/promos/info, effectively leaving out every Android user from those messages.

[@rserna80]

As a Colombian living in the U.S I could say Apple is so overrated, as Marques mentioned before about Blue bubbles vs Green bubbles most people buy Apple to fit in not so much for performance, Android has many more options than IOS.

[@kenim]

Its because here in South America it took a while before iPhones became a sizeable portion of the userbase. So Whatsapp usage was alteady culturally established before the iPhone domination.

Main thing that happened is that the US market was stuck in SMS for far longer than the rest of the world, so the iPhone never saw a reason to implement a proprietary protocol until much later, by then WhatsApp, Viber and others had already grown a huge user base in multiple platforms, but in the US Apple basically led them from plain SMS to iMessage seamlessly to the point there are many that don't even realize that iMessage is something completely different under the hood to the old sms 'texting'.

[@cessactdm]

cocaine money go crazy I guess

[@docsantander]

In south america actually.. i come from Paraguay, and I also used to have an iPhone but almost never used the iMessage, I've used Whatsapp even with other iPhone users because we were all in an Whatsapp Group 😅

[@timothya.naisbett2202]

Damn he literally made Apple support RCS with this video

[@francbelge]

My thoughts are that this feature is a *trainwreck* and they pulled it after 24 hours. Not only is it a security nightmare in theory, it was actually implemented the worst possible way in practice. 'Nothing' is criminally careless with security and you should never trust them with your data.

[@Riyozsu]

If you are on the internet, you have no protection over your data. Anyone can take your data and then give it to anyone else. So security shouldn't be the highest priority unless you want to run pure Linux.

[@brazilianbold]

Bro linux is terrible with security vs ios and android @@Riyozsu

[@Mujahed.]

​@@RiyozsuYou're right. Graphene OS would be my choice

[@harenk]

Great video, tackling a real anti-trust issue. I have a teenage daughter who switched to a cheaper, better Android phone from an iPhone X. She's been on Android for just 2 years but wants to switch back because all her friends are on iPhones and she can't deal with the exclusion anymore. A sad state of affairs.

[@rereout3415]

My man I know it's annoying but if you can, get her that iPhone. Teenagers have enough issues already 😅

[@lilimccoy6194]

Cheaper better android? Bro eBay. Get a iPhone 14 pro max for the same price as your cheaper android. It’s faster, safer, more secure, and a higher quality phone.

[@calebcooper2333]

​@@lilimccoy6194lol in your dreams. Note 20 ultra crushes the 14

[@WulfMax]

@@lilimccoy6194 A "cheaper better android" will most definitely not cost 800 bucks

[@CameronSend]

have her get beeper, it's similar and you can do imessage on android, I use that as a teenager, otherwise she can probably trade it for a good value with a carier

[@lavatr8322]

The issue is _Status driven mindset_ (My region India, it's 1000%) Over the years Apple took advantage of that. Apple's marketing screams "if you don't buy an iPhone you're missing something in life". Actually it's not even Apples fault , it's how the human society is and how much importance is given to materialistic things.

[@Tetrathegod]

Do you guys even have money for iPhones in India

[@x3noz649]

​@@TetrathegodIndia is 5th largest economy what was you thinking when writing this 🤡

[@yogensachdev]

@@Tetrathegod actually no, well you're not entirely wrong. A lot of people buy iPhones on something called "No cost EMI" where they get an initial loan to purchase the device and basically pay back the bank without interest over the next 6 months. It's both, a blessing and a curse.

[@VanshBhatnagar-tk1pk]

@@yogensachdev That's also how many people buy their iPhones from phone carriers in the US. They are also technically financing but from a carrier, not a bank. Its a curse when people get into status games and ruin themselves financially. I saved up for my iPhone 11 and bought it outright. Serves me well, and integrates with my Mac, apple TV and iPad. I financed my Mac and my iPad, and as a designer this has been a game changer for my business.

[@DilpreetSinghAulakh]

@@Tetrathegod Actually some of us actually have money to buy Apple stuff easily but you are right that almost like 70% of theses apple users are ones who just got it from their relatives living in developed countries and others just take "no cost EMIs" and take a loan. For clarification I own iPhone, MBP and other apple ecosystem.

[@tillycatcat]

This aged well.

[@deathgoku]

Why what happened?

[@OcRefrigeration]

Thanks for the Great Video with all the Good info !!! Did not know sms / mms was NOT encrypted. 😳

[@SuperEmpires1]

I don’t think people truly realize how much of an outsider teens/kids here in the US feel having an android in an environment where everyone else has an iPhone

[@ARJUN-SS]

if you got a s23 you're not missing out on anything lol

[@_Digitalguy]

feels good not be be born there

[@I_enjoy_some_things]

@@ARJUN-SSyou’re missing out on long-term support :P -sent from my 2018 iPad Pro which is still on the latest update…actually, I’m even on a developer Beta :)

[@abot4694]

The fact that persons feel like outsiders to have a different phone than an iPhone shows how insecure they are, and frankly stupid. I had an old S10e for a couple of years and didn't give a shit what others had in their hands, I now have an S23 ultra because the S10e battery went bad, these 'teens' are just dumb.

[@w2cfx]

​@@abot4694do you not remember being a teen? Kids are cruel to each other, especially if they can find something "different".

[@tramcrazy]

In the UK pretty much everyone exclusively uses WhatsApp 😂 Also there’s no way I would consider that, the security risk is awful

[@MartynMassop]

And just like that, Apple announced support for RCS coming in 2024, essentially making Nothing Chats DOA?

[@DANNYonPC]

Nothing has shut it down already for privacy issues. Who wouldve seen this coming?

[@emmahayes3342]

U.S. College kid here: Green bubble discrimination is so real! I love android because of the flexibility it offers in a lot of different spaces but I am getting really tired of being bullied for my phone choice🤣 Honestly this is a cool experiment that Nothing is trying and I am excited to see the results!

[@Neofrommatrix]

Never change for someone else. And don't fall for bullies Real friends don't care what phone you're using

[@gavinscottroyce]

​@@Neofrommatrixpreach

[@doctordothraki4378]

​@@NeofrommatrixThis ×Googol. Android lets me know which of my friends can see past the bubble color

[@ju5e3]

@@Neofrommatrix that is not something i thought needed to be said a decade or two ago. utopian af. Ironic that apple made the 1984 ad

[@sreea2365]

Can't you get a small used iphone only for iMessage for cheap and use another Android for primary use? Or is that impractical?

[@GMAceM]

Here in Ecuador (probably also Latin America as a whole), WhatsApp is the go to app even if you do have an iPhone. iPhones are viewed as a “rich person’s phone” because if you were to buy a current mode one here (even sometimes a previous model) it would cost almost double what it costs in the states so having one makes it seem like you have money but that’s not always the case. I like iPhones, I have one myself, but it sounds pretty wacky to get one just because of iMessage or FaceTime when there’s WhatsApp, signal, telegram, and more to take care of those things.

[@chedds]

Here in Brazil iPhones are also viewed as a rich person phone, but I would this mindset is slowly ending, since a lot of people even joke on iPhone users for having a iPhone (since most of them have ancient iPhones) Although a lot of people uses Messenger or Instagram DMs, Whatsapp still the way to go and the most dominant app.

[@vanwesthuizen7427]

Same thing in Sri Lanka :)

[@mr_etcetera]

I can confirm this is also the case in Colombia.

[@MrSandChess]

Same in Puerto Rico, except that the iPhone is priced like any other Samsung phone, but people still tie it to some sort of status symbol.

[@chedds]

@@MrSandChess the newer ones? Because here the older iPhones are way more expensive than the older Galaxies, and newer iPhones are most of the times way more expensive while Galaxy Ss are also expensive but not as much as iPhones (at least it's the case with the S23 Ultra and iPhone 15 Pro Max)

[@MarcoWu-di9jp]

Danke für das Hochladen.

[@harshkiprofile]

Surprisingly this video can be watched in picture-in-picture mode without having a KZbin premium

[@int75]

In Asia, I notice iPhone users don't use much of iMessage. People use different communication apps to chat with friends in different countries. For example: - Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore uses predominantly Whatsapp. - Japan, Taiwan & Thailand is predominantly LINE - China is dominated by WeChat - Philippines is predominately Messenger etc

[@nhandeptrai1406]

in vietnam we use Messenger and our own native app called Zalo, in that app you only need the phone number to contact

[@nmdreams86]

India is like: iPhone user never using facetime or imassage... It's always WhatsApp and few being whatever the f telegram is...

[@alopey_]

Don't forget Viber as an alternative in the Philippines

[@techzaada]

Here in Afghanistan, we dont use iMessages at all. we use Whatsapp and Telegram

[@user-sc8zg4to8y]

QQ is also popular in china，but both of them are from one company😂 Besides，Feishu has many users in work

[@sankarsondas1999]

People in India don’t even use iMessage and FaceTime but in the past couple of years, iphone sales here have gone through the roof. In every major city, you will find tons of young people with iPhones. In my country, the buying power of our middle class has increased significantly and the thing is if people invest 60-70k on a phone, most here automatically gravitate towards an iphone because it grabs the eyeballs and gives the feeling of superiority among your peers.

[@jemiljmathew9090]

I don't understand why is that. They think mobile will bring some kind of status and self esteem ? I am also from India, but Samsung is my dream phone. Actually status and self esteem coming from our attitude, skill and hard work.

[@draGDer9]

The iPhone in India is only, and do i stress only, because of the "iPhone status". 90% who buy it dont even understand the benefits of owning an iPhone here

[@deepakbisht4957]

Most of them are stupid. They don't understand that they are paying way higher than people in the US and consider the economy and average salary a disastrous move by youngsters to spend on smartphones. They are just following the footsteps of the US of going broke in mid life as they are not saving their money properly. And at the end these phones are not adding any value to their daily work. They are just buying this thing just to look cool(even though it doesn't make you cool) 🤦...

[@deepakbisht4957]

​@@draGDer9well there are no benefits of buying an iPhone for most of the people. As you can browse the internet on any cheap phone, you can pick and dial calls, you can send messages, click pictures and shoot videos, use your daily routine apps like Banking apps, payment apps, food and cab apps and all...

[@asimmoideen5960]

definetly , iphone here is just a status symbol, the ecosystem isn't even that strong yet, the only feature i see ppl using is airdrop, it's funny people put iphone on a pedestal and i hear a lot about people just getting bored after they switch to the iphone after finding out it's just a phone that does phone stuff, post nut clarity type shi XD

[@seezu84]

Apple announced today it WILL be supporting RCS in the next year!!

[@IsiaahWinchester]

Funny that apple annouced RCS support right after I heard about nothing doing this😂

[@blankpages3881]

As for Nothing, the Asian markets are extremely competitive with numerous brands selling at all kinds of price points. Competing on price for them is a task, wonder how the bumped up Phone 2 did in Asian markets compared to the Phone 1. They’re trying to get a foothold in the US market considering they need to majorly rival one company (although the biggest out there) and they could get on with the lower price point?

[@blaze26700]

And here they fucked up. NOTHING Phone 1 was a huge success in Country like India but because of the increase in price of NOTHING phone 2, they didn't do well in India anymore. Just like you said, there are many competitors who offers better features than Nothing at lower price.

[@hasrataulakh]

Nothing 2 was sort of a failure but then they decreased the prices in Diwali sales and more people bought it. I got it for around 410 USD and its a really cool phone.

[@blaze26700]

@@hasrataulakh I can buy IQOO NEO 7 PRO at price of 450$, which has superior SOC and Camera, Why would people buy NOTHING PHONE 2??. This is exactly why NOTHING phone 2 has flopped. More competition = more value for money smartphones

[@e21big]

Not necessarily, there are some high value, underserviced Asian markets. Japan for example, barely have any Android present, iPhone is dominating but people don't really into iMessage that much, and you don't have major brands like Samsung or Chinese to compete with either (the biggest Android leader by far is the Pixel, which shouldn't be too hard to compete.)

[@JCee3223]

I can safely say they're not doing too well in Asian markets. There are so many devices here that offer similar if not equal specs for a lower price.

[@BurtMcNasty]

as an american android user with a friend group that's half iPhone and android, we just use messenger... but I love that nothing is taking this into their own hands

[@jmarnold84]

I think this video single-handedly pushed Apple to support RCS - Good job, Marques!

[@SSukram_]

I think it was a coincidence. Companies as large as apple have to pass decisions through many people, it would've taken them at least a month since nothing's announcement until theirs

[@maksymiliianlukasevych8442]

Honestly, I was in the market for this feature for years. I’m 29, and just recently bought my first IPhone in large part because of how convenient IMessage is. But after using it for almost a year now, I was seriously considering switching back to Android phone. Well, this just made the decision so much easier!

[@Niraloks]

Sunbird is shutting down “temporarily”. I think you should stick to iOS, since that imessage on android thing is not really safe.

[@AliveGhost13]

Beeper Mini is iMessage on Android, $2 a month, encrypted

[@MatthewSmith-ot7cz]

I always loved my android phone, but finally switched to apple 2 years ago, mainly for iMessage. I was often excluded from group chats because all my college friends had iPhones and wanted an iPhone group chat, and would rely on a friend relaying information to me. I have enjoyed experiencing the apple ecosystem, but would love the option to switch back to android at some point. Blindly signing in with my Apple ID seems a tad sketch, and would love if they offered an option to self host, but I am very excited for this development and hope that progress continues to be made

[@animetodamaximum]

Reason I switched to Apple was the stability, I couldn't give less of a shit about iMessage tbh.

[@CapturedByKen]

You couldn't get messages at all when using Android?

[@andrewmiles2204]

You can if you have a Mac at home using airmessage. I use my Mac mini as a server and just log in on my android devices to get a lot of the same experience

[@tagg8233]

While this situation sounds absolutely crazy to a non-American, I had the exact same thought. I have and will always have an android phone, but I got an iPad. Why isn't there simply a message forwarding app that pushes your messages or media to the iPad to send in iMessage and vice versa.

[@deepakbisht4957]

​@@animetodamaximumstability is there even in any midrange phones they are like 75% of the flagship in every department you are just paying thrice for the rest 25% in flagships. So stop with this stability bullshit...

[@Killerkraft975]

In the UK, its pretty common to see iphones, but alot of my own friends and people around me ( I am 20 ) have shifted to more android devices. I am considering buying an android afrer my iphone 8 plus ceases to function, but its abit of a norm to be different so the android was a clear choice

[@shiyam_prasanth]

Lighting in the background is Dope ❤💥

[@neknim]

8:20 "that's another story for another day..." That day is today!!

[@anirbahn]

You said that discussing why Apple should stop using unencrypted SMS for iPhone non-iPhone message traffic is another story for another day. I really hope you tackle that topic soon, because I think that, more than anything else, this angle is most likely to move the stalemate we're in. Apple needs to be called out for their hypocrisy on this.

[@Flash363]

MKBHD won't badmouth apple, it's too risky and he can't afford to be blacklisted for sake of his youtube channel. This is the reason a lot of KZbinrs who have a large audience are terrified of talking shit let alone being frank when it comes to Apple products.

[@SinghSama]

​@@Flash363He made an entire video on this, check out blue bubble vs green bubble.

[@rodrigojds]

hypocrisy? please explain

[@rodrigojds]

@@Flash363 yes of course. that's the only explanation as to why people won't say anything bad about apple right? It's not because apple releases great devices and services but only because the youtubers will get blacklisted. naturally.

[@GlobalWave1]

Apple just stated they will be support RCS next year.

[@JoshuaOlujide]

as someone who has used android my entire growing up life (throughout high school and college)until now, I've genuinely lost count of the number of group chats I've been left out of, FaceTimes that never occurred, pictures/videos I could never send/receive, all because of literally everyone around me owning an iPhone. even both of my brothers, who started on Android, both have iPhones now 😭 (we all have Whatsapp tho). that's just how it is in the States. it's not great, but I've just gotten so used to it atp. also it's funny hearing how iPhone users talk about android. they talk about it as if it's a company in and of itself, or they think that it's just Samsung that makes Android phones (sometimes Motorola). they're always so surprised whenever I tell them that there's literally well over a dozen different companies that make android phones (Google, OnePlus, Huawei, etc).

[@lifeisshrt7929]

can you blame not only iPhone users here but the *average consumer* too if they don’t know other android companies exist? Google is the only exception and they definitely should know them since they’re making progress but Huawei, Oneplus, Xiamoi etc can you really blame them? It’s not their fault that these companies can’t/dont want to advertise & sell their phones here. especially since carriers don’t do it

[@BryceDriesenga]

It's less because they use an iPhone and more because they're jerks who refused to use platform agnostic apps when it's incredible easy and more inclusive to do so.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

american skill issue @@lifeisshrt7929

[@bear2507]

Depends who you are talking too because the same thing can be said about most of the Android phone consumers. They don't even know what brand their phone is.

[@tochukwuwilliams5051]

Gosh!! are ppl that unexposed to technology in the US?? cause this sounds like they are

[@rileybaker8294]

Looking forward to your video about what happened with the imessage for android app.

[@iletyoucallmestevesy]

They've got Nothing to lose. And for Nothing, that's Everything.

[@murgoimarius8816]

I think in the future APPLE won't let you create an Apple account without owning an iPhone/iPad etc. They'll use the serial number of the phone to validate your account. edit: for people saying that there are a lot of users that have Apple Music/ Apple TV+ etc without owning any other Apple product. These sneaky Apple corporate people could give you a dumbed down version of Apple ID that lacks some functions, but gives you access to Apple Music and Apple TV+ but no access to iMessage. I'm just sayin...

[@IAmPGZW]

Don't give them ideas.

[@CASyHD.]

since they have digital services, now dont think that will happen. there are people not having any apple devices still using appletv+ and if apple is smart enough they would expand their ecosystem to lure in users, without the barrier of entry of owning an apple device

[@mrjoelpt]

that will never work theres apple software running on other non apple devices, like in samsung smart tvs that have apple tv native app installed and need an acc. this is just one of many examples.

[@user-bm9fo5kr1l]

You need an Apple ID to even apply for a job at Apple, lol.

[@roykent2316]

I hope so!

[@thekitchenchikens]

The iMessage situation in the US looks incredibly rude from an outsider’s prespective😂

[@brandogg]

It is, especially from an insider's perspective.

[@MyNameJeff..]

It is. I use an iPhone and it’s asinine that my friends/family with android see my photos/videos as shit, and vise versa. It’s apple’s fault.

[@ylihao]

Well, this didn’t age well for Nothing did it

[@jasonbaker5430]

Where I live in North Carolina, there seems to be an even split between Android and iPhone users. I use both regularly and don't think anything about it.

[@accountid9681]

as someone who basically has this system set up, but it's self hosted (mac mini sitting in a box in the corner of my bedroom right now), I can not recommend it enough. It's an amazing system, and it practically never breaks

[@nebby3]

How difficult was the setup? I've considered doing the same but the arrival of services like Beeper and Sunbird has made me hesitate.

[@SebastianBlix]

Time for me to do some research it seems. Thanks for the tip.

[@ColinHD]

So you have an Apple Mac mini so you can dodge buying an iphone so you can use imessage features on android....LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@Manteam111]

@@nebby3 I use BlueBubbles, and it works great! Super active Discord, and the devs are really helpful.

[@ajuzienkechi7094]

Could you shed more light on this?

[@Giruno56]

There have been legislative proposals (most notably in the EU) to force tech giants to make their messenger apps technologically compatible. I expect this to be the case sooner rather than later.

[@wrath2008]

If only in the US as well 😢

[@john.dough.]

5:33 Lol, and then it got taken down in

[@narayantm5230]

And apple’s response was to adopt RCS for this one? 😂

[@Gogo8mkd]

Glad you addressed the security concerns, I was wondering if you're gonna do that. Thanks!

[@prajwalchinnayya7426]

In India , iPhone are viewed as a status symbol because of the higher price tags than the US. But the default messaging app be it iPhone or Android it WhatsApp. So it doesn't matter if it green or blue bubble. It WhatsApp by default

[@hanspeter24]

so actually a green bubble cuz whatsapp😌

[@kswag2009]

This is interesting because Apple announced RCS support yesterday. I’m wonder if it’s in response to the phone.

[@stephencooper3583]

Very unlikely. This phone isn't even a speed bump to Apple. Now if Samsung or Google did this, then yeah. But Nothing is a flea to them.

[@michael8684]

This video already hasn’t aged well since Nothing has already pulled the beta from the Google Play Store for security reasons

[@Mark-zj9my]

Please explain this to me. If there is a group of friends consisting of 6 people and 5 of them use an iPhone but the 6th uses an Android, will the 5 people create an iMessage group leaving out the 6th friend? I mean that is just simply rude. If you have true friends, they would use the service (WhatsApp, Viber, Telegram etc.) that enables them to communicate with you. It is as simple as that.

[@Mark-zj9my]

At the same time, other chat services must make their service quality, features etc. as good as iMessage so that iPhone owners won't miss iMessage and would switch between the apps comfortably.

[@Kamal__523]

Exactly, you probably deserve a better group of friends.

[@TrentonMatthews]

USA culture. Though, how many folks in Canada use IMessage (besides the blind community)? @@lolithighs

[@Allenz2205]

Eh not really, tbh most teens nowadays use Instagram or discord for group chats

[@deepakbisht4957]

I don't live in the US. But if I had people like them around me then I'm pretty sure l will make a distance from them really quick even if I'm owning an apple device.

[@garveziukas]

Glad to be European and have the freedom of choosing whatever device I want without any threats of being isolated

[@chartedtravel1776]

Riiiiight

[@fow8780]

in europe everyone uses iphone too

[@gabiruman]

@@fow8780 nope, only about 35% of Europe as of October 2023 uses an iPhone, furthermore no one uses iMessage, almost everyone uses Whatsapp or Messenger, hence why OP said they have the freedom to choose. This whole blue vs green bubble is purely an American "issue"

[@johnnymcclain4100]

I’m American and I have that right with a phone lol

[@petroskraitsis]

Except of Oppo or Huawei, which are banned/sanction for the only purpose of market advantage .. but hey, we have a "free choice" 👍

[@GolfWangMedia-incorporated]

I find the whole iMessage thing so weird. In the UK majority of people have iPhones. Most of the people I know have an iPhone, but I have NEVER been in a iMessage group chat. We use WhatsApp or Snapchat by default. I think we do this because eventually you’re going to want to add someone to the chat that doesn’t have an iPhone.

[@p4olom]

I find the whole WhatsApp thing so weird

[@GolfWangMedia-incorporated]

@@p4olom That’s honestly so great to know 👍

[@KaelumKrispr]

I'm from the north of the UK and I didn't know many people with iPhones even when I went to uni not many people had them, and most used Snapchat for socialising, granted I went to a heavy tech uni, it seems to be a bigger thing around London, I did see lots of them when I was down there for a bit

[@KrishnaAdettiwar]

In the states, if you’re young you either use iMessage or Snap or Instagram to communicate. I feel like all these comments are so over dramatic lol. If people don’t have an iPhone, they just use Snap or insta to communicate and it’s not a big deal at all in the States haha

[@musicdz8135]

​@@p4olom🐑

[@cmlewan]

So MKBHD wants RCS on iPhone in this video and Apple gives him that 36-48 hours later. That's an influencer.

[@perrym8048]

Have a strong feeling that Apple will easily place some security measures to prevent them from being able to do this in the future, and possibly sue Sunbird/Nothing. Even Apple requiring face/touch ID per user session would cause the entire infrastructure to crumble. As Marques mentioned, the security implications are also huge. Not a great idea to do this from the Nothing team in my opinion. If I were the CEO, I would've focused on making it the smartphone of choice in the Asian markets, which Apple seems to have less of a hold on.

[@DemonSlayer-vh8uy]

absolutely....pushing yourself forcibly by imitating a blue skin as nothing chat is not the solution we consumers are looking for!...nothing should not focus on usa now...let them come to nothing...meanwhile they can keep improving their cameras- which are not good as per the money they charge

[@drishalballaney6590]

tbh though I dont think apple is legally able to do anything much since its actually running on a mac server in the backend

[@roshangogu2670]

@@DemonSlayer-vh8uyso you are basically promoting monopoly

[@DemonSlayer-vh8uy]

@@roshangogu2670 no…absolutely not…my bank balance remains the same whether it’s a monopoly or duopoly or something else…the thing is if 87% teenagers are into iPhones…better leave that market…let them get bored…when they all will see that everyone has iPhones it will no longer be a premium brand anymore…then if nothing comes at a higher price with something stupid…people will still buy…its human nature…especially for Americans who are too stubborn, this plan will work…you can never force Americans to change…believe me🤣

[@alvareo92]

Trying to get large market share of an Android phone in the US is as much a fool’s errand as trying to get Nintendo users to buy your console because it has a game that’s kind of like Mario

[@sajackson]

This is actually incredible and I hope a true solution comes out of it and I hope Nothing gets what they deserve for the effort

[@CocoaBunny2011]

Good info

[@Indian_P.O.V_Canada]

Just realised these things after coming in Canada. In India, we have heck alot of options and at great prices with great features and all

[@MacBolzack]

7:28 "(...) probably nothing" (No) pun intended?

[@mishademers2035]

Love your videos as always!

[@ProdShalom]

Watch the video💀

[@mishademers2035]

@@ProdShalom 😂

[@TheSiemek]

I can only imagine it backfiring in a spectacular manner.

[@luckysaleh5080]

MKBHD, I will love to have one of the collections of any phone you have reviewed in 2023.

[@skandyrocks]

That's going to change anyway because the European Union is going to force those big companies to offer interoperability so that instant messaging providers need to be able to talk with each other. I am not sure what that means in terms of supported features but for simple media and text messages there are going to break some walls for sure

[@earthling_parth]

And yesterday Apple announced it's adding RCS support in 2024! Long live EU regulations ❤

[@TravelerVolkriin]

I’m still sticking with my Apple products though.

[@skandyrocks]

@@TravelerVolkriinWho cares?

[@heroninja1125]

Theres also laws in Canada that are going to be coming out as well. Bill C244 just made its way into the second reading of the senate, which means it is within a hairs distance of being passed as an actual law across the entirety of Canada. Bill C294 is also very close. C244 is essentially a right to repair law. C294 is the interoperability law. This will mean that apples parts pairing will become illegal in Canada.

[@gh0st_itm]

The idea of using a platform-specific messaging app in a world that contains equally good non-platform-specific messaging apps honestly blows my mind. Not an issue I've ever found in the UK, with my friends and family at least.

[@letsplaywar]

It's like Many of the friends I met in gaming all talked on Discord and my real-life friend and I use WhatsApp. if I met a new friend I would give them my Discord username. There is no reason for me to use Imessage since I don't even have an iPhone and It's From a Platform Specific device.

[@aKadoki]

in Europe as ive seen a bunch of comments say. People use 3rd party apps for messaging not so much the built in apple ones and sometimes i think about the fact that they pay premium for those services and end up not using them at all

[@buggiesindustries7550]

As someone who now has a nothing phone 2 I find this whole thing funny, even though I don't plan on using such chat features. Most people I know either use messenger or just don't seem to care enough about text bubble colour.

[@mokshilgada7464]

Awesome content as always but I gotta say this is the most visually appealing MKBHD video I've seen. Keep up the great work.

[@devinsingleton5242]

The Sunbird app will actually come to all android phones eventually! I've used it on two different Samsung phones. (The beta version) This chats version may be exlusive to Nothing but the Sunbird app is nonexlusive and legit!

[@Komrav]

I can imagine being a kid is tough. Nobody wants to be the odd one out. I think it speaks to something more culturally for adults though, interesting. I literally have Whatsapp, Signal and Telegram to speak to peeps. Whats the big deal. ( I use Signal for like 2 people lol).

[@maximusg88]

Beeper also follows the same concept... and it's available for all Android phones (but you might have to wait in a beta waiting list first)

[@GOBIGBLUE9487]

**legit besides the huge security risk involved lol

[@HollowSentence22]

Except it's taking forever to release. Been waiting for a long time now

[@MK-ro7ee]

@@GOBIGBLUE9487 Well, if you use Instagram, Snapchat or Gmail then your data is going through a server anyway. In this case its a mac mini instead of some linux vm running on servers made by dell or hp hosted by Bezos. The type of hardware is less of a factor than the overall architecture, security implementation, and operational practices. So if you trust Nothing about as much as Facebook or instagram then its absolutely fine

[@primalinstinct875]

Apple just stole their thunder by supporting RCS

[@amlesion9142]

Use this phone if you don't care about privacy lol

[@menlo7256]

MKBHD vids always 🔥🔥🔥

[@TheCategor]

7:14 "I asked Carl Pei (CEO of Nothing)... what Apple is gonna do about this?" - He said: "Honestly, probably nothing". This is EPIC.

[@nikostheater]

They can do legal stuff, but I bet apple will ignore it for a while and then implement a software update to alter some of iMessage behavior to stop hacks like this.

[@prekshabothara8717]

Waiting for Carl's reaction to this video now lmao 😂

[@user-bh5nu8wh5h]

Wow this is amazing