How Exactly Do You Prove You're Alive if You're Accidentally Declared Dead?

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Today I Found Out

Today I Found Out

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@Demonos3
@Demonos3 5 жыл бұрын
if you live in America, just tell the government you refuse to pay taxes... that'll get you living in less than 10 secs.
@VNYoshi
@VNYoshi 5 жыл бұрын
Out of technicality (yes, I'm fun at parties), no company would "hire" you, and no banking institution would run an account for you. So, cash under the table jobs is all you can do, as explained in the video. And to be honest, if you're doing cash under the table, I doubt you'd be paying any taxes.
@MatthewStinar
@MatthewStinar 5 жыл бұрын
If the IRS says you're dead, I guess they really pursue you for not paying taxes without first declaring you living.
@ridanann
@ridanann 5 жыл бұрын
what exactly do yanks get for there tax law enforcement government civil servants schools roads we get heath care an welfare in the uk. seems to me the less u get for ur tax the less legitimate the government the amazing thing is tax used to only found landlords barracks. imagine if our countrys militarys were private instead of us paying for all theses pointless wars there wouldnt be any money for it. i guess we'd get attacked well thats what they say but generally countrys that dont start fights dont need a big military budget so personally i think the western military funds would be better spent at home.
@Demonos3
@Demonos3 5 жыл бұрын
@@ridanann we get the same things you get without having to pay luxury taxes on our TVs and such like you. also, not starting fights doesn't deter people from coming in and taking your stuff. we actually don't pay that much for our military. I know what people say, but only about 20% of our budget goes to the military, the rest is all welfare programs. the same welfare programs people try to hop over the fence to come try and claim on a daily basis. we have a pretty big population compared to most countries out there which is why we can't do much in terms of "muh free healthcare". its never free, someone ends up paying for it in the end. free stuff always raises taxes on others which puts them closer to the poverty line because now they have less money that they worked for to use on things they need. we have too many people for it. we'd be stuck in line all day long trying to see a doctor all because someone had the sniffles just a little too much and read on WebMD that they're going to die in 24hrs.
@ridanann
@ridanann 5 жыл бұрын
@@Demonos3if u dont steal people s shit they wont come for it lol they dont even come for stuff anyways. most countrys weve stolen from only want abit a terrorism they dont even want reparations. our nhs is very misunderstood in the us like why do u guys allways think state healthcare is 'free' thats allways the way ur media frame it. nobody in Europe actually thinks of it as free its more like insurance so if u get hit by a car ur not bankrupted by medical bills the cost is pretty negligible considering how us medical insurance works.
@Taikamuna
@Taikamuna 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I will keep this in mind the next time I die!
@Cyanide_no_aji
@Cyanide_no_aji 5 жыл бұрын
Next time?😐
@patrykkotkowski8781
@patrykkotkowski8781 5 жыл бұрын
Wait wait wait you were declared dead?
@kevmoc8437
@kevmoc8437 5 жыл бұрын
Patryk Kotkowski r/wooosh
@lollylemur5041
@lollylemur5041 5 жыл бұрын
Yes lol r/whooosh
@asneecrabbier3900
@asneecrabbier3900 5 жыл бұрын
yeah so inconvenient i died like 2 weeks ago
@Bigfoot_With_Internet_Access
@Bigfoot_With_Internet_Access 5 жыл бұрын
By saying "Hey, I'm alive!" It works because dead people usually can't talk.
@mistressfuhrer2756
@mistressfuhrer2756 5 жыл бұрын
Dagan Ward, haha right!
@ADR69
@ADR69 5 жыл бұрын
Usually
@MrBrannfjell
@MrBrannfjell 5 жыл бұрын
And if they do, we might have an entirely different problem to deal with.
@tobyhallidie1498
@tobyhallidie1498 5 жыл бұрын
you obviously have no idea how a bureaucracy works or more correctly doesn't ... it took me more than 18 months after my bank mixed up my grandfathers death with some of my mail ... although no harm was done I was in the bank on several occasions listening in on the conversations as one assistant after another explained to central office for the 4 time that the person sitting next to him/her was not actually dead.
@kvonkirk2340
@kvonkirk2340 5 жыл бұрын
Not if you're legally declared dead. Go ahead and try and get something in your name you'll be arrested. It's happened before.
@themarquess
@themarquess 5 жыл бұрын
Just last year a man in Romania was told by court that he couldn't be declared alive again, because the time to appeal his death certificate in absentia had expired. In this case there wasn't even any insurance money shenanigans involved. It was just the man vs Romanian bureaucracy.
@robertharris6092
@robertharris6092 5 жыл бұрын
So what? Hes just dead?
@zemorph42
@zemorph42 5 жыл бұрын
He should have slapped the judge. It apparently worked for someone else in India; the pending assault case against them was enough evidence to prove that they were alive. I read it in another post here, so take it with a grain of salt.
@smolkafilip
@smolkafilip 5 жыл бұрын
He should just sue the government to declare him immune from taxation since dead people can't be subject to any laws. I think that would help them find a way to declare him alive pretty quickly.
@0000-z4z
@0000-z4z 5 жыл бұрын
He actually was declared dead afterwards, he had just gone to the wrong court. It was a little bit exaggerated, because a journalist writing around this faked parts of his report.
@CanalTremocos
@CanalTremocos 5 жыл бұрын
@densch123 I remember a case in Portugal where someone with this problem called a tv lawyer for help. The lawyer told him to get a plastic pistol, attempt robbery , and surrender to the police. Due to the mild laws he would get a few months probation but the state would be forced to fix his status before charging him (and also forced to charge him).
@wrlrdqueek
@wrlrdqueek 5 жыл бұрын
So what happened to Miller afterward? Is itpossible to recieve a new legal identity like that? How would that effect things like citizenship status? That just seems like a weird legal hole and I'm curious if/how he got out of it.
@KayleeCee
@KayleeCee 5 жыл бұрын
I would like to know too. It's really difficult to function in America without a legal ID. No legitimate employer will hire someone with no ID, you can't get a bank account, a place to live, utilities, credit, a car, medical care... you'd pretty much have to learn to survive in the cash only economy and probably live off the grid. Or mooch off friends and family, lol.
@LordIsaacofGlencoe
@LordIsaacofGlencoe 5 жыл бұрын
This is literally the only comment that I've seen that expands on the video and ask a question. Yet no one likes it? And almost every other comment higher up is nothing but bullshit
@KayleeCee
@KayleeCee 5 жыл бұрын
@@LordIsaacofGlencoe Yeah, people on KZbin are silly. I enjoy some of the jokey/troll comments, but I wish that people would take things a little more seriously and ask questions.
@KayleeCee
@KayleeCee 5 жыл бұрын
I found a few articles about this online, but no current information indicating whether or not he has been able to get his life back. It's a real head scratcher. Maybe someone should try to track him down and find out what his current situation is?
@richardbidinger2577
@richardbidinger2577 5 жыл бұрын
@@KayleeCee How do you track down a dead person?
@timothymclean
@timothymclean 5 жыл бұрын
Social Security Administration: "Look, this data works for our purposes, but you shouldn't use it for purposes it wasn't desi-" Other institutions: "Ooh, this looks convenient! I'll just use this for my purposes instead of designing something for the task." SSA: "Not again..." Seriously, this keeps happening. The USA historically hasn't liked the idea of a national ID or anything like that, so the first time some service kept track of most people, everyone jumped onboard.
@sirdeadlock
@sirdeadlock 5 жыл бұрын
Speaking as an American citizen, I am in favor of instituting a national ID system. I'd even be willing to trade my birth certificate, ssi card, driver's license and passport for it.
@frowlinian8175
@frowlinian8175 5 жыл бұрын
@@sirdeadlock omg, thatd be amazing if all those would work as just a single thing.
@maxsalmon4980
@maxsalmon4980 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, every time someone mentions national ID, we get a bunch of people in a tizzy saying 'that's the number of the Beast' and it dies a legislative death.
@laughingman7882
@laughingman7882 5 жыл бұрын
Considering how relatively cheap it now is, I'm curious why our universal ID isn't a DNA test with sample taken at birth.. . Can't fake or steal DNA
@animehuntress9018
@animehuntress9018 5 жыл бұрын
@@laughingman7882 not sure where you are but probably cost, invasion of privacy, and depending on the population and how many are born every day, it would be an insane amount of DNA to go through. Would be nice though.
@LordofBroccoli
@LordofBroccoli 5 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on how to be declared dead when you're alive?
@tonyhakston536
@tonyhakston536 5 жыл бұрын
Going missing for several years usually works
@matteussilvestre8583
@matteussilvestre8583 5 жыл бұрын
Don't say "bless you" when someone sneezes.
@wolvenar
@wolvenar 5 жыл бұрын
In my case a couple decades ago, I tried to get the name on my credit report fixed as they had it wrong. Instead, somehow they just declared me dead on my credit report, then somehow the state decided that the credit report was the final word on this. The state declared me dead, then that was reported to the Feds.
@KayleeCee
@KayleeCee 5 жыл бұрын
@@wolvenar That's fucked, man. Did you ever get it sorted out?
@MastaSmack
@MastaSmack 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if you avoid people who know you for 7 years, they will declare you dead...you have to give yourself a new name though. My name would be "Definitely not Bob."
@matteussilvestre8583
@matteussilvestre8583 5 жыл бұрын
Having your new movie being announced even though you got snapped by Thanos.
@herbiehusker1889
@herbiehusker1889 5 жыл бұрын
If they declared me dead, my wife can collect the life insurance policy and we can retire overseas. Sounds good.
@SpiceWeazel
@SpiceWeazel 5 жыл бұрын
Good luck leaving the country with an invalid passport
@Not.Your.Business
@Not.Your.Business 5 жыл бұрын
Best Gaming Lists Step 4: Profit
@joer8854
@joer8854 5 жыл бұрын
@@SpiceWeazel Have said wife buy a 32 foot sailboat. Ahoy matey, we be pirates.
@stevenjohnsrud4655
@stevenjohnsrud4655 5 жыл бұрын
Step 5: Wife takes all the money.
@TheRealDarthRevan
@TheRealDarthRevan 5 жыл бұрын
That's called insurance fraud
@markchip1
@markchip1 5 жыл бұрын
I immediately jumped to the conclusion that this was about people being accidentally "pronounced dead" in a medical sense!! Ie. How does someone with "locked-in syndrome" prove that they still have mental functions and awareness! Maybe you should cover this too!
@xxXthekevXxx
@xxXthekevXxx 5 жыл бұрын
Mark Chippendale that’s what I thought! Like if I’m awake but can’t move how do I prove I’m alive?!
@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380
@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 5 жыл бұрын
So did I!
@markchip1
@markchip1 5 жыл бұрын
@Alvaro Rodriguez Gomez still worth exploring in a video - especially the idea of managing to have some kind of communication.
@wolvenar
@wolvenar 5 жыл бұрын
In my case a couple decades ago, I tried to get the name on my credit report fixed as they had it wrong. Instead, somehow they just declared me dead on my credit report, then somehow the state decided that the credit report was the final word on this. The state declared me dead, then that was reported to the Feds. Then it took me having a meeting at the states capital. I had to have witnesses, and ID. This screwed my credit, several bank accounts were simply emptied, no next of kin or parents notified. This also screwed me on my car loan, which they misreported there then as I did not pay for 4 months ( lie) which STILL is a problem for me at times even with several attempts to get it removed/remedied.
@iprobablyforgotsomething
@iprobablyforgotsomething 4 жыл бұрын
Geez, that sounds awful. I hope the gov, etc pulls its collective head out of its *ss soon and sorts this out for you! Maybe you can sue them for emotional damages, financial loss, ID-theft (since they effectively stole your ID from you?) or *something*.
@carddamom188
@carddamom188 Жыл бұрын
This is one reason US sucks...
@GDgabe
@GDgabe Жыл бұрын
Hey man are you ok? I know it's been 4 years but how are you doing now?
@wolvenar
@wolvenar Жыл бұрын
@@GDgabe Doing fine. It was a long time ago. But I'm still running into remnants of the fallout from this. Things like college records not being readily accessible, being pulled over by police to "get clarification" about what a past stop when I was dealing with the situation. It's mentioned in that stop long ago that I was pulled over on suspicion of fraud because my information came back as being deceased. Just weird stuff you wouldn't expect here and there but very rare. It's actually now kinda funny having to explain it to people, but it sure wasn't at the time. Credit however can still be a tricky situation if I deal with anyone but my local bank.
@shanematthews1985
@shanematthews1985 5 жыл бұрын
Video starts at 1:15 I got your back bro
@fridericusrex9812
@fridericusrex9812 5 жыл бұрын
thx
@KayleeCee
@KayleeCee 5 жыл бұрын
You're the hero that we all need, but don't necessarily deserve.
@schregen
@schregen 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@shanematthews1985
@shanematthews1985 5 жыл бұрын
@Kaylee F Oh for sure, nobody deserves to have to deal with me, i think thats classed as inhumane torture by the Geneva convention :P
@KayleeCee
@KayleeCee 5 жыл бұрын
@@shanematthews1985 😆
@brometheus2905
@brometheus2905 5 жыл бұрын
Slap a judge, get arrested.... The arrest warrant is proof of you being alive!!!! Simple and quick #WorksInIndia
@sdarkpaladin
@sdarkpaladin 5 жыл бұрын
"How can she slap!"
@brometheus2905
@brometheus2905 5 жыл бұрын
@@sdarkpaladin .... Good question.... How do you slap, usually
@spetterman2916
@spetterman2916 5 жыл бұрын
I never slapped you judge, I'm dead!
@kacywatson6314
@kacywatson6314 5 жыл бұрын
Ishan Bagai why slap a judge???
@brometheus2905
@brometheus2905 5 жыл бұрын
@@kacywatson6314 slapping a judge makes you commit a minor crime in India. Since you are going to have a criminal case against you, it's enough proof for the court to declare you alive. It really happened in India. #TrueStory
@BobBob-wi6ct
@BobBob-wi6ct 5 жыл бұрын
The IRS decided I was dead when I was 14. It took 4 years to clear up. Different departments of the IRS do not share information and each required different proof and forms. It was horrible.
@carddamom188
@carddamom188 Жыл бұрын
Couldn't you just stop paying taxes? That's usually a sure way for IRS to state that you are alive again pretty quick...
@JustinY.
@JustinY. 5 жыл бұрын
People die when they are killed
@Scurnko
@Scurnko 5 жыл бұрын
Justin Y. Why are you here
@justanotherguywithamoustac8893
@justanotherguywithamoustac8893 5 жыл бұрын
@@Scurnko Why not?
@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec
@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec 5 жыл бұрын
Bwahahahahaha...Jokes on you. I have avalon.
@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece
@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece 5 жыл бұрын
Tell that to Orochimaru. Killed, killed again, again, finally dead, sealed by Itachi's Susanoo. Comes back to life: "No hard feelings, people kill each other all the time."
@kirknay
@kirknay 5 жыл бұрын
It's fate, I guess
@Pining_for_the_fjords
@Pining_for_the_fjords 5 жыл бұрын
I assume this national death register is on some sort of database. So why don't they program it so that a death has to be recorded with either the time and date, the location or the cause of death, and if none of this information is included, the system either ignores the entry, or generates an error prompting somebody to investigate? That should prevent any deaths being recorded with just a name or any non-death-related information.
@noyou9379
@noyou9379 5 жыл бұрын
As the American military teaches if it makes sense it won't happen
@noyou9379
@noyou9379 5 жыл бұрын
@densch123 I don't know the details here in America but a coroner is the one that is called in for deaths. If they or the police think the death was suspicious then it is sent to doctors for exams. If the death is in a hospital then obviously a doctor calls the death. I do know in both cases they file some form about the death. I don't know if all states have the law but in Arkansas you have to have either a coroner or doctor deal with any deceased and can face jail/prison time if you just simply bury someone without notifying someone
@davidleech563
@davidleech563 5 жыл бұрын
It makes sense to the rest of the world, but remember, these are Americans. They have trouble grasping concepts like universal healthcare, gun control, and documented proof of death
@nujabeslistener
@nujabeslistener 5 жыл бұрын
Idk, considering my student loans, getting declared dead might not be so bad after all
@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287
@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 5 жыл бұрын
However, you can't use your degree for a job either if you are faking your death. Then again, some people never use their degrees.
@KayleeCee
@KayleeCee 5 жыл бұрын
I have a cousin who stole her dead sister's identity after she got in over her head in debt. It worked for her for a little while, but she eventually got found out. Now she has a criminal record and her family is extremely angry with her. Fyi, the dead sister died as a baby due to a heart defect, so it was already a touchy subject.
@MistahBryan
@MistahBryan 5 жыл бұрын
I understand that, by the time I'm paid off... I'll be 103 :(
@Cathrope1
@Cathrope1 5 жыл бұрын
@@KayleeCee That's cold
@Amy-zb6ph
@Amy-zb6ph 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing, but it's not like they can take away one of my ass cheeks to pay it back. I'm just hoping someone has the sense to forgive student loan debt before all the debt that we can't pay crashes the economy. What's more important? Spending our tax dollars trying to take over the world or spending them to help our own people and secure our own economy? But, if people were smart, we wouldn't be destroying our planet at an unimaginable rate or trying to take over the world for that matter.
@kenxclout
@kenxclout 5 жыл бұрын
Back to back videos are about dead people. Is everything ok Simon?
@MeetThaNewDealer
@MeetThaNewDealer 5 жыл бұрын
They're viewer submitted questions.
@trinitychambers8123
@trinitychambers8123 5 жыл бұрын
@@MeetThaNewDealer in that case, are Simon's viewers okay?
@kenxclout
@kenxclout 5 жыл бұрын
Tiffany Stormfall 😂😂😂
@KayleeCee
@KayleeCee 5 жыл бұрын
Lol, I just saw that post about 2 minutes before I saw this video. Simon looks pretty good for being a 65 year old man who has been dead for almost 14 years.
@Magmafrost13
@Magmafrost13 5 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't be particularly strange if while researching one topic on dead people, they came across interesting information on another topic about dead people
@gwenny3080
@gwenny3080 5 жыл бұрын
Good video, Simon. It is also a pain trying to prove your age when it comes to insurance in some places. I was kicked off my parents' insurance on my 16th birthday because a person handling paperwork listed my birth year as 1970 instead of 1980, thus having me listed as 26 at the time. It took 4 whole years for the issue to be permanently resolved and any medical expenses that I occurred in those years, I was left solely responsible for. Not a single apology, just an "Oops".
@ZemplinTemplar
@ZemplinTemplar 5 жыл бұрын
Short version: Convoluted bureaucracy that has little overview in their own documents and is easily abusable by any two-bit identity thief or unintentional clerical error.
@Dorion37
@Dorion37 5 жыл бұрын
I was actually declared dead . My father passed away when I was 18 and when Social security was putting in his death into the system they put me in a deceased aswell.
@johnapple6646
@johnapple6646 3 жыл бұрын
2 for the price of 1
@snowwonder9814
@snowwonder9814 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I write fiction and in one of my stories a character is falsely declared dead while disappeared for some time, and one of my plot points was the character's difficulty in recovering everything: house, bank accounts, personal items, drivers license, etc. this video was full of all the information I needed!
@arsonfly
@arsonfly 5 жыл бұрын
"MOOOOOOOMMM THE GOVT IS F*CKING ME AGAIN!!" God I laughed so hard at that
@1xoACEox1
@1xoACEox1 5 жыл бұрын
SO many questions! What if youre wanted for a crime? Does that disappear on your "death"? When you get declared alive again does it come back or is there a legal loop hole where the case was technically solved and cant be reopened? Also what happened to that guy and his wife? Hes legally dead but alive where do you go from there? Can you get a new Identity? Also Also how do you find out you've been declared dead? Does your credit card just stop working one day? Do realters show up at your house expecting it to be empty? That guy who disappeared to duck child payments got on for nearly 10 years without realising howd that work? SIMON I NEED ANSWERS! IM TERRIFIED OF THIS CONCEPT!!
@BlackKnigth323
@BlackKnigth323 5 жыл бұрын
usually a person notifies the bank that someone just passed away so they freeze aka restrict the account since the person of course can no longer use the credit card
@RunaurufuOfficial
@RunaurufuOfficial 5 жыл бұрын
@Jordan Rodrigues but if you are declared dead then how can you serve your sentence? I mean you cannot be killed again so death penalty is unavailable... prison? They do not accept dead people... so what? community services? Did you saw working dead people?... proving that person is who you are looking for is one thing but if government sees that person/you as dead one they are limited in options related "what we can do with dead guy"
@christopherwalker2228
@christopherwalker2228 5 жыл бұрын
This happened to my grandmother, when she was finally getting out of the hospital and rehab after a stroke. There was a typo or keystroke error, and they marked her deceased rather than discharged. It was a pain in the ass to fix, and took quite a while. Like, months and months. It was particularly hard with the SSA, but also her health insurance, which in turn made it hard with some doctors. Insurance doesn't pay on "dead people" and doctors don't work for free.
@mickeythemaltipoo3756
@mickeythemaltipoo3756 5 жыл бұрын
Aren't we all dead already? I could've sworn this was hell.
@BSFilms1997
@BSFilms1997 4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha. If only you knew how bad 2020 would be.
@mickeythemaltipoo3756
@mickeythemaltipoo3756 4 жыл бұрын
Mah_Buddy_Keith And the best is yet to come
@omermagen824
@omermagen824 5 жыл бұрын
Boss: "Im sorry to inform that youre dead and I have to fire you" Employee: "Im right here in front of you"
@jonathan.palfrey
@jonathan.palfrey 5 жыл бұрын
Boss: "Hello, police? There's a person here causing a nuisance."
@kelsea8018
@kelsea8018 5 жыл бұрын
This happened to me! I kept getting turned down for credit cards before college, trying to start my credit. I finally got a letter from a store as to why I was declined for a store card even. It listed “reported as deceased” for their reasoning. My mom and I panicked. It took about 6 months to prove I was still alive and required a lot more paper work than you would think. According to their records, someone called in my death around 1998, when I was 5 years old.
@ThomasKelly.
@ThomasKelly. 5 жыл бұрын
“If the Social Security Administration thinks you’re dead, you might wish you were.” - LOL
@AshesAshes44
@AshesAshes44 5 жыл бұрын
My family had the opposite problem after my father died. For years we kept having various agencies, businesses, and groups insist he was alive and had a right to whatever they were pushing, or that he'd requested something. The best way to make them go away was to start sobbing and screeching. It was sort of therapeutic in a weird way. Much less fun was convincing companies that my cats were, ya know, *cats* and too irresponsible with money to have their own credit cards.
@otterguy1262
@otterguy1262 5 жыл бұрын
It seems like using the United States SSA Death Masterfile to establish proof of death would carry along with it some legal culpability for those businesses/institutions that would choose to do so. I think I could manage to recover from the harm inflicted by this error with a multi-million dollar suits/settlements. It would be amazing how quickly these errors would vanish if accountability for the error was required of all businesses/institutions.
@christopherwalker2228
@christopherwalker2228 4 жыл бұрын
This happened to my grandmother. She had a major stroke right after my little brother's funeral (yeah, that was awful). Anyway, when the hospital released her they marked her "deceased" rather than "discharged." It took me forever to get it fixed, and it caused a lot of problems. Insurance doesn't want to cover a dead person, and doctors don't want to see someone with no coverage. It was ridiculous.
@j.t7442
@j.t7442 5 жыл бұрын
My step dad was accidently declared legally dead after his heart attack, he had to jump through a lot of hoops to get it fixed.
@hughsonj
@hughsonj 5 жыл бұрын
I wasn't declared dead, but he VA kept "losing" paperwork that I sent in, because if they acknowledged they received it, I wouldn't have to pay back over $130,000 in home loan benefits. One email to my senator and two weeks later, I had a letter from them that declared the matter closed. If you have a good politician, he or she is worth their weight in gold.
@TiaKatt
@TiaKatt 5 жыл бұрын
That probably isn't too uncommon. When I was 19 and attending the local college, Dad pissed someone off at Sepulveda who hadn't been doing their job. He started getting letters insisting he prove the children he was claiming or pay back years of disability compensation. Each time, he filled those forms out and provided documentation, but he could not get this to stop recurring each month. At no point was he ordered to pay, though, just the constant fresh repeated threats. After months of this we happened to move to another state. Dad had his records transferred to the new regional office. He then brought me, my birth certificate, SS card, military dependent's ID card, passport, and yet another copy of that paperwork out to that office. The person we spoke to checked the computer and found no record of his claimed children. She acknowledged the documentation he'd brought and my existence, and said she'd get it all entered, saying it's important to provide that info so it can be entered into the system. Dad patiently reiterated that he had done this 6 times in the past few months and that's why he'd come in personally with one of his children. She left to pull his physical record, and returned with her face drained of color, telling us to wait while she conferred with her boss. Not just one, but all 6 copies of those packets were in that physical folder. Maybe it's a much, much bigger deal to screw with physical records than computer records? Otherwise why not "lose" those, too? I wonder if your physical record might have looked similar. She confirmed without naming it (hinting that she could not do so) that it stunk of retaliation, and stated that her boss was going to have the matter addressed. No issues in the 17 years since. The regional office and the hospital he sees now have both been really great - the VA system is really hit-or-miss like that.
@Idahoguy10157
@Idahoguy10157 5 жыл бұрын
Eight years ago the Social Security Administration reported that I was dead. It took 2-3 months to deal with the notifications they sent out. Terrible...
@nathanstautzenberger8381
@nathanstautzenberger8381 5 жыл бұрын
My dad had a similar issue recently, he called the insurance company to get my mom removed because she had passed away and they got everything mixed up showing that he was the one that died. Thankfully he was able to get it fixed after a couple weeks.
@MalekiRe
@MalekiRe 5 жыл бұрын
"There is nothing more permant than a temporary solution."
@MeetThaNewDealer
@MeetThaNewDealer 5 жыл бұрын
Well at least you don't have to pay taxes, child support or alimony.
@MrLimitHoldem
@MrLimitHoldem 5 жыл бұрын
U must not know my ex wife. I been dead for 4 yrs and she still wants that child support
@FreeSalesTips
@FreeSalesTips 5 жыл бұрын
No legal job, no house to buy, rent cannot be made under your own name, no bank account, accused of identity theft by everybody, no driver's license. I would say these are some issues that are more severe than the issue of paying alimony or taxes.
@trent800
@trent800 4 жыл бұрын
FreeSalesTips just steal oh a dead guy stole from me
@pamelaliegh
@pamelaliegh 4 жыл бұрын
What kind of looser doesn’t want to help support their children Lord Luke?
@danstiver9135
@danstiver9135 5 жыл бұрын
As usual, the US has to be the exception to the detriment of its citizens.
@ninja4nerds622
@ninja4nerds622 5 жыл бұрын
According to Google you died on April 18th 2005, I can't take advice from a dead man
@hockeyking30
@hockeyking30 5 жыл бұрын
April 18 is my birthday.... eerie
@chadfalardeau9162
@chadfalardeau9162 5 жыл бұрын
"I think therefore I am" Rene Decartes
@connorlightfoot4290
@connorlightfoot4290 5 жыл бұрын
Easy just don’t it’s a great party trick to walk in a year later
@theblackberets3379
@theblackberets3379 5 жыл бұрын
Gotta love that Google says that Simon is dead. Lmao
@grandcatsmama3421
@grandcatsmama3421 5 жыл бұрын
Something like this happened to my late husband when we were in Baton Rouge. It turned out that there was someone else with the same name who died. The Social Security office said he had to get an ID to prove who he was.
@TheRealMirCat
@TheRealMirCat 5 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, you can still vote in Chicago.
@herbiehusker1889
@herbiehusker1889 5 жыл бұрын
Several times too
@elbolillo2703
@elbolillo2703 5 жыл бұрын
Even if you dont live there they will let you vote.
@Josh_D78
@Josh_D78 5 жыл бұрын
The same goes for coward county Florida 🤣😂🤣
@aten73
@aten73 5 жыл бұрын
Someone voted for a dead parent in Texas recently too. Could be an issue in more places than we realize
@elbolillo2703
@elbolillo2703 5 жыл бұрын
@@aten73 1000% correct we need accountability
@DeannaJacksonDJsDelectables
@DeannaJacksonDJsDelectables 5 жыл бұрын
And to think the worst case of identity theft I've ever had was someone stealing my debt card to pay for a massage parlor... 😨 Being declared dead when you're not is way worse!
@hfoslayer6195
@hfoslayer6195 5 жыл бұрын
Where the hell are you getting all that skeleton meme!? 😂
@seneca983
@seneca983 5 жыл бұрын
Looks like a stock photo.
@animehuntress9018
@animehuntress9018 5 жыл бұрын
My grandmother had something interesting happen, and while she had never been declared dead she did set off the alarms while in the hospital. My family has low blood pressure, and we are perfectly healthy with it but certain circumstances can make the doctors concerned. When my grandmother was hospitalized, she was given a sedative and so her blood pressure dropped. She woke up to doctors shouting and shaking her and various other insanity. We forever teased her as the one who was nearly declared dead for sleeping too hard. I really enjoy this channel as you actually do research and give sources. If possible, I just saw news break about measles and to me it seemed like making a mountain out of a mole hill. I saw the piece you did on Flu vaccines, have you done any on the current amount of vaccines or opinions of them, and if not maybe you can do one? Figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. Thanks for this awesome channel.
@wallplug3903
@wallplug3903 5 жыл бұрын
I like how the United States sounds like a bureaucratic dystonia in this video
@fummy33hotmail
@fummy33hotmail 5 жыл бұрын
"Sounds like"
@AmarthwenNarmacil
@AmarthwenNarmacil 5 жыл бұрын
I was literally thinking "The more I learn about the US, the more I wonder how that country hasn't somehow collapsed allready."
@hawkersjetsammitt
@hawkersjetsammitt 5 жыл бұрын
@@AmarthwenNarmacil to much paperwork
@bcwest619
@bcwest619 5 жыл бұрын
While I do love my country, we do seem to be the worst at everything and make everything WAY harder than it needs to be.
@Pining_for_the_fjords
@Pining_for_the_fjords 5 жыл бұрын
Ever seen the film "Brazil"? It sounds just like that.
@darkprotoman1245
@darkprotoman1245 4 жыл бұрын
This has happened at work. There are have been people with similar names and they have turned off the wrong network accounts when people get fired, quit, or die.
@JimFortune
@JimFortune 5 жыл бұрын
13:00 "Yes, you're alive now, but during the time you received these benefits you were dead, so you need to give the money back."
@merrigalebeddoes1921
@merrigalebeddoes1921 5 жыл бұрын
When I first read the title of this video, I thought of a friend who awoke from surgery on a gurney in the morgue with a tag on his toe. My first response was that you just had to get the attention of someone working in the morgue. What the video is actually about is vastly more interesting, actually relevant to more people, and quite clearly explained. Thanks.
@NotProFishing
@NotProFishing 5 жыл бұрын
The stock photo overlays are meme quality
@throughcolouredglasses9300
@throughcolouredglasses9300 5 жыл бұрын
I just realized the credits say Karl Smallwood is one of the writers. Somehow it's really cool to see multiple channels or people linked in some ways :)
@MikeKojoteStone
@MikeKojoteStone 5 жыл бұрын
So ... what heppened to that Miller guy, then? If he was declared legally dead by the judge, how did things go from there for him? You can't throw something like that out here and not follow up on it. Did the judge order a death penalty to make true what had been decided? Did Miller commit suicide to make it right? Or did something else happen, which would've eventually lead to his ex wife having to pay back?
@alexlandherr
@alexlandherr 5 жыл бұрын
At 4:00, I’m Swedish and I’ve never heard of that. Plus if one wishes to adopt a new last name that very few other people have in Sweden (like my last name Landherr) one has to go to our equivalent of the IRS and get permission from all the others that have said last name.
@david82633
@david82633 5 жыл бұрын
Alex Landherr same in Norway
@mangot589
@mangot589 4 жыл бұрын
Whhaaat? Why?
@bobloblaw1021
@bobloblaw1021 5 жыл бұрын
Great topic! Me: "I'm not dead yet" Gov't: "Shut-up you're dead!" Sound's like 'Monte Pithon'
@LisaBowers
@LisaBowers 5 жыл бұрын
_Ahhh,_ this explains Shell's earlier post about Simon Whistler being _very much alive,_ even though his Google page says he's deceased. *From Google:* _"Simon Whistler"_ _"Born: September 10, 1940"_ _"Died: April 18, 2005"_ You may be thinking, _"Oh, Google and their wacky shenanigans!"_ But it's a different Simon Whistler. Simon Laurence Whistler to be exact. Glad to see you're still with us, Simon! 👍🏻
@FrisnoB
@FrisnoB 5 жыл бұрын
I would ask another doctor for a second opinion.
@6447912
@6447912 5 жыл бұрын
I do need to say, that might have been one of the most unusual, rather effective starts for a sponsor ad: "... but are you using them?". And as always, answering the most vital questions.
@tecpaocelotl
@tecpaocelotl 5 жыл бұрын
Skip to 1:16
@Frank_Ammerlaan
@Frank_Ammerlaan 5 жыл бұрын
Never seen such an incredibly funny yet totally serious video. My best wishes and emotional support to all alive people who are indeed declared dead yet still alive
@FSFred
@FSFred 5 жыл бұрын
Breathe
@blissiimo2064
@blissiimo2064 4 жыл бұрын
I live in Australia. At one point in my 20's our house was robbed and ALL my Id's were stolen. Thankfully my parents were still alive, so I could get a replacement birth certificate - which enabled me to get everything else replaced.... otherwise it looked like I would not be able to prove who I was - it was looking really worrying. When my drivers licence was replaced, the clerk made an error in my last name with one incorrect letter. IT TOOK ME 29 YEARS TO SET IT RIGHT. In the end, I sat for my drivers licence as a new person - with the correct spelling - so my Drivers Licence matched my passport and birth certificate. What was most disturbing about the whole thing was the government red tape that can just 'lock you out' - and no central place to co-ordinate it all. I can see how very easy it might be to become a non identity.
@ComradeDragon1957
@ComradeDragon1957 5 жыл бұрын
What if you're dead inside though?
@MrLimitHoldem
@MrLimitHoldem 5 жыл бұрын
So u saying that I'm not alone
@TheFunGun5
@TheFunGun5 4 жыл бұрын
I'm far more surprised at the amount of skeletons-in-suits stock images there are.
@skydivekrazy76
@skydivekrazy76 5 жыл бұрын
I saw the post from Google saying your died in 2005... Is this video a response to it?
@nigelquinanola3134
@nigelquinanola3134 5 жыл бұрын
The term Death Master File sounds metal as all hell.
@thepip3599
@thepip3599 3 жыл бұрын
I had the same thought!
@Sealdrop
@Sealdrop 5 жыл бұрын
How Exactly Do You Prove You're Alive if You're Accidentally Declared Dead?
@ConfusedRaccoon
@ConfusedRaccoon 5 жыл бұрын
Don't do it in the US is what I learned.
@hippiehoni
@hippiehoni 5 жыл бұрын
Well thanks Simon, that was terrifying
@hereticpariah6_66
@hereticpariah6_66 5 жыл бұрын
Just jump up in the hole you've been in for the last 18 years and say: Oh, I'm alive!! Hello, birds! Hello, trees! Oh, I'm alive!! Hava Nagila! MPLOB
@laurielamoureux1656
@laurielamoureux1656 5 жыл бұрын
This went in a different direction than I was expecting; I was once, after surgery and while being completely paralyzed and unable to move, breathe or speak, declared dead (a doctor commented “well, she’s gone “), how they figured out I was alive I’m not sure, since I quickly lost consciousness again. I’d love to hear about how to “prove “ you’re alive in that situation!
@josephfox9221
@josephfox9221 5 жыл бұрын
Simple. Break the law
@mxplixic
@mxplixic 5 жыл бұрын
And leave fingerprints.
@ALHat22
@ALHat22 5 жыл бұрын
For the military at least in the U.S. or any gov occupation that requires a security clearance. You are required to fill out then file an SF86 and fingerprints are taken along with photos of you. I am not sure the process for everyone regarding Federal Issued Identification Cards (CAC Cards) but your fingerprints are general confirmed to your file again. Also, before going on any overseas assignment with an emphasis on war zones and particularly hostile countries. You’re asked to review POF (Proof of Life) questions and your personal history. POF questions are deep dive questions that have never been used by the person online and are only questions that are known to those closest to you. Generally, the questions and answers surround good moments/memories that are simply to remember particularly under stress. I was told not to use any of the questions or answers in online security questions. I was also asked to provide a large number of them on the form. Basically being declared dead in theory should be easier to come back from as military or government personnel. I know for a fact the government knows quite a bit about me, has old drivers license/passport photos, fingerprints, places where I’ll lived, high school friends names/addresses, POF questions and answers, my family’s names/addresses, phone numbers, social security number, and a ton of other stuff. Then again individuals have committed stolen valor, foraged documents, and were able to collect military benefits from the VA without ever being a veteran. Hell a man that committed stolen valor even testified before Congress...
@alb9022
@alb9022 5 жыл бұрын
Easy. Go up to the Presidium, and say "This is my least favorite spot on the Citadel."
@robertholmes6348
@robertholmes6348 4 жыл бұрын
The Inland Revenue had me down as deceased once upon a time. Had to visit them a couple of times and got to witness awkward phone calls. Heard her say "I know what the system says, but he's sat right here!" Still laugh about it to this day.
@JC-ig4oy
@JC-ig4oy 5 жыл бұрын
On the plus side, you don't have to pay tax.
@jrr832
@jrr832 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah right, what about death duties
@jonathan.palfrey
@jonathan.palfrey 5 жыл бұрын
If you're legally dead, it's hard to get any significant income to pay tax with.
@chriscontact5857
@chriscontact5857 5 жыл бұрын
Simon, my condolences to you and your family for your passing.
@adversHandle
@adversHandle 5 жыл бұрын
so wait if he wasn't miller who was he did he get to pick a new name as a new person
@brantleyhester6641
@brantleyhester6641 5 жыл бұрын
Two in one day? This was awesome, I got to watch a new video before work and one when I got home. Good job!
@jeffreyfiegen1538
@jeffreyfiegen1538 5 жыл бұрын
Aw, I got dead again
@roberttelarket4934
@roberttelarket4934 5 жыл бұрын
One of the most terrifying episodes that I saw in 1966 when I was in high school was a rerun of the 1st or 2nd Alfred Hitchcock Presents or Alfred Hitchcock Hour program from the late 1950s. It started Joseph Cotton in a similar situation due to a car accident. Finally he was able to shed TEARS and was saved. You must see this!!! It has affected me for decades to this day!!!
@jasonirelan1737
@jasonirelan1737 5 жыл бұрын
What's the last thing that goes through a bug's brain when it hits the windshield? its rear end
@LordIsaacofGlencoe
@LordIsaacofGlencoe 5 жыл бұрын
You tried to be clever but that makes no sense
@amcat8015
@amcat8015 5 жыл бұрын
@@LordIsaacofGlencoe What do you mean?
@peterwelsh6975
@peterwelsh6975 5 жыл бұрын
Lol that's SOOOO old. and they don't get it!
@Memento_Mori_Morals
@Memento_Mori_Morals 5 жыл бұрын
My mother died over 15 years ago and I still keep getting things in the mail for her, including from social security... The system in the U.S. is entirely whack.
@stevesmith1383
@stevesmith1383 5 жыл бұрын
Assuming you aren't making this up, that's pretty serious and something to get fixed
@1810jeff
@1810jeff 5 жыл бұрын
Probably dental records and dna tests
@ConnorNotyerbidness
@ConnorNotyerbidness 5 жыл бұрын
DNA records arent in government possession without you being previously being part of a criminal investigation (or i think they take dna if you go into fbi and such not sure) Hospitals dont keep your dna on record before you say they can get it from a hospital
@badgerattoadhall
@badgerattoadhall 5 жыл бұрын
@@ConnorNotyerbidness or served in the military, or have used a 23andMe type service.
@Wysiwyg43
@Wysiwyg43 5 жыл бұрын
WTH?! I actually needed this information for a relative, so this is strangely eerie. I sent the link to my cousin so she can get the ball rolling. I hope this helps her. Wow. Kismet...and I ain't even religious. THANK YOU, TIFO! My years as a loyal subscriber to the channel really paid off today! PEACE
@sd906238
@sd906238 5 жыл бұрын
Can I collect on my life insurance if I'm declared dead?
@Craig2760
@Craig2760 5 жыл бұрын
“I’m not dead yet!” I learned that on “Monty Python...the Holy Grail.”
@crossconception931
@crossconception931 5 жыл бұрын
"oh no, im dead" -dead woman
@kitsunekaze93
@kitsunekaze93 5 жыл бұрын
so, what should happen when you get declared alive again: * the government repays all money that was taken from your bank * if you lost your property, it is forcefully given back or if impossible compensated at 100% value ( in case someone else buys your property, its given back to you, and they get compensated instead ) * any job lost due to this is given back with the same contract as before , in case its not possible, government pays out whatever salary you had until you get a new job, and then if the new job has a worse salary, pays out the difference * any time lost due to fighting this, and any expenses, like lawyers, is paid back in full * hefty compensation for trauma/inconvenience is given then they track down who/what agency submitted the false death claim, and demand the money from that person/agency, unless they had good reason to assume the person was dead. anything else than this is injustice.
@evannibbe9375
@evannibbe9375 4 жыл бұрын
The last bit of tracking down the clerical error is problematic for the reason that someone could just disappear for a while (say, by being kidnapped) and eventually they have to be declared dead in order to have the highest value from their property (just as a matter of how the free market works).
@LuaLuo
@LuaLuo 5 жыл бұрын
So I could be legally dead for a week without actually dying, cool. I’ll go prank my mum
@wombatzzzz8446
@wombatzzzz8446 5 жыл бұрын
Lua furfag
@LuaLuo
@LuaLuo 5 жыл бұрын
wombatzzzz very original comment.
@Skystarry75
@Skystarry75 5 жыл бұрын
I have an Aunt (by marriage) who was adopted. In order to persuade her birth mother to not go looking for her, a doctor produced a fraudulent death certificate, which was then registered in the system. Because of how long it took for anyone to realize that she'd been declared dead, all parties involved, except for her, are dead. The fact that a death certificate was made for her apparently complicates things a bit. Getting those annulled is apparently harder than you'd expect. Especially if it was issued 40 years ago.
@justanotherguywithamoustac8893
@justanotherguywithamoustac8893 5 жыл бұрын
Just show up
@jonseon5952
@jonseon5952 5 жыл бұрын
Like Joseph Joestar
@justanotherguywithamoustac8893
@justanotherguywithamoustac8893 5 жыл бұрын
@@jonseon5952 Well yeah that's one way to do it
@ErickWhite-Gronok
@ErickWhite-Gronok 5 жыл бұрын
My Grandfather, a disabled vietnam vet with serious health issues that can be traced back to that, was declared dead two or three times before his actual death. Considering his medical military discharge and disability from such, it was the only thing keeping the family in money for sometime. When that went down there were times where none of us ate unless he killed a deer than ran onto the property when we lived out in the middle of nowhere. No pension, no disability, no nothing on some serious disability checks while taking care of himself, his wife, three children and a grandchild was... very difficult. I remember being told they had to fight for over a year at one point to "prove I wasn't dead!" so that he could start receiving his benefits again.
@ohhitisjustme
@ohhitisjustme 5 жыл бұрын
I would think DNA or family😱
@Silentgrace11
@Silentgrace11 5 жыл бұрын
Most instances I’ve known of are caused by family in the first place, so I’m not sure if family would help you out of it in this case ^^”
@LittleKitty22
@LittleKitty22 5 жыл бұрын
What about people who don't have family or friends?
@ohhitisjustme
@ohhitisjustme 5 жыл бұрын
Little Kitty Idk, this is unique to my knowledge!
@ohhitisjustme
@ohhitisjustme 5 жыл бұрын
Silentgrace11 That’s horrible
@williamhardway6436
@williamhardway6436 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't see the second half of the title so I thought this video was going to be at least twice as existential as it is
@geezlempire6830
@geezlempire6830 5 жыл бұрын
Proving youre alive after being declared dead was waaaaay harder for me than just showing some id. I had to have witnesses and everything I owned with my name and or picture on it and multiple trips to government facilities. (I live in the US) While declared dead I was however able to get married and have a child and the government had no issues with collecting my taxes. This was over 10 years ago for me and Im still suffering from the repercussions.
@3bydacreekside
@3bydacreekside 4 жыл бұрын
For me it kind of still is the case of having one of the credit reporting agencies having me on file as being "Legally dead"
@bethechange2770
@bethechange2770 3 жыл бұрын
This video is going to change the world... thank you for this content
@treasurechestburlesque9803
@treasurechestburlesque9803 5 жыл бұрын
My brother passed away and about a year later got a summons for jury duty. My dad called to tell them he had passed, but apparently a death certificate wasn’t good enough for the DMV (they run hurry duty lists where I’m at). They said they would make a note but that wasn’t really enough proof and my dead brother might get served for not appearing
@GoldLove21
@GoldLove21 5 жыл бұрын
Make it so that everytime this happens the victim gets reimbursed 100 grand per month. That will get this fixed right quick by the state.
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