Todd Manning Part 523

[@marcelparker6755]

LOL at the Corinth reference... I almost forgot the Loving Murders was going on at this time too.

[@cheetahinireland18]

Okay, KDP and SH play really well together...and you know, RH of course. But it's kind of interesting to see this rivalry and their connection to Todd. His relationships with these two women were definitely his longest and most meaningful. I'll admit that I would have much rather seen a consistent Blair/Marty rivalry over the more petty Blair/Tea one. Love these clips!

[@luzycat7869]

1:09 “Last time I said that, you went to prison.” Loved it.

[@DawnmariePW]

"Oh goody, then Viki and I can have a great relationship." If only he knew how true that statement was going to be in the future. Not only did she end up being a very close sibling, but his best and most trusted friend.

[@izzatluv]

"I'm sorry. Do I know you?" LOL RH and Tina2 were good together

[@marcelparker6755]

She's Tina #3... or 5.

[@natalieps2387]

" let go. Oh last time I said that you went to prison" holy cow with the dark humor Marty. I think malone who we know was literally writing todd & marty as lovers but was told no way by sh & rh. I get it on this way. Sh & rh have incredible chemistry & when they do the flashbacks of their one nighter & todd realizing if he had just held her they might have worked out. I as a fan was like yes I agree. It's a complex thing bc what made Marty & todd so compelling was the rape. I mean thos story was the biggest most famous oltl had won them a ton of Emmys as they often were the red headed step child of abc. I think malone of course had no idea what he had in Roger. He was frat boy 1 then they brought him back again & again. I mean when has a day player with no name ever one an emmy for that short term role a year later ? This story also went outside of daytime as magazines newspapers were covering it. Anyway I think malone regretted badly that he made it a gang rape . As u notice the other 2 are not mentioned all of 95. I think malone was kicking himself that he didnt do a one on one Rape like Luke & laura. But he did bc it was a story for susan to redeem marry after the viscious lies she spread the year before. She was as hated as todd by the residents. She started homophobia & gay bashing with andrew & billy. So todd was just a means to an end til he started becoming so much more compelling than any of the other ex cons with additudes suede & jason webb Then the other part was roger was only 23 & had that romance novel sex appeal. He was very sexy & good looking so it was like great we found our leading man but hes a gang rapist. I think it was a tough spot bc the buchanans & max were getting older & they were part of the old regime of the 80s. Oltl was dying to find a leading man & they land this gem by accident who is very young but can act too. That's a soaps dream. Plus they wanted a new super couple & abc exec's loved susan Haskell & now they had roger . So it's what makes all of this so interesting. Bc todd is so awesome as a compelling character bc of the rape so if he cane on as jason webb or something or powell who was their stab at a new leading man bc they attached him.to the lords but he was seen as weak & a coward & nobody liked how he was the " good rapist " or that he got 6 months in jail bc he felt bad. I got why todd hated him. Powell was worse than todd in a way bc he knew it was wrong & hes a grown man who did it so todds would like him ??? Hes the worst. Todd was wacko & had his collision course with Marty zack was just a sociopath who was along fir the ride but powell was a loser coward who not only didnt stop it he raoed her too ! Isnt he the worst if all 3 by knowing it was horrible & still doing it anyway ? Anyway todd & marty could have been great if he had not raped her but that's what made them so compelling so it was a tough complex spot & I think malone was trying to undue it & have his supercouple dreams. Maybe back then if it wasnt a gang rape & maybe if it wasnt so graphic & cruel. It's very hard to watch. The only way it could have possibly worked is if it was a confusing situation like todd was really drunk & marty was too or marty & she felt it was rape. That's far from.what happened

[@izzatluv]

@bjujubee Todd was a good challenge for Blair...Cord was way too much of a pushover for her

[@ukarihea33]

Blair bitching at Marty for Todd saving her life and saying,"Look what it cost him." Yeah right Blair, it didn't cost him anything, it helped him to gain his F'ing freedom!!!

[@joyjohnston236]

Look I was raped when was going on 14 yrs old... unlike Marty on this show I did not seek my rapist out or intertwine my life with his ever this is why the writers screwed up so badly with the story line... I did not like the Luke and Laura rapemance either on GH.... Although I do believe people can change and be redeemed for their sins.... I can and did forgive my rapist, but I never, never have forgotten... I also have come to realize that these are just shows to entertain us that the people playing these roles did not do these awful things...

[@Justicia007]

Yes you're right. It's not realistic in the way a real life incident would be like what you experienced. Very sorry that happened to you, and it's amazing that you forgave the rapist. I admire that. These are just stories on TV but I think the topic can be enlightening and spark conversation.

[@1dbhsa]

@izzatluv This is actually Tina3 and yeah they were hilarious together. Their relationship was comical while vicky and todd's relationship was dramatic.

[@nattyps3160]

Marty & Blair have such chemistry as enemies. Even though Todd did something so unforgivable to Marty it was cool to see Blair defending him as he had nobody else this scene between Blair & Marty was so chilling " what do u get out if making Todd feel so bad about himself all the time!!? What's so interesting about that statement is Marty's had it in for Todd since their one night stand; b4 the rape. In watching those very early Todd marty scenes Marty was unnecessarily viscious to Todd. When he didn't stay the night Marty way overreacted. She literally acted like a bride jilted at the altar

[@Justicia007]

Those two definitely had a huge thing for one another before the rape happened, and actually even after it happened. There was a lot of chemistry and attraction but it couldn't happen.

[@wrjsell]

That was weird that Todd made the comment about Viki wacking everyone in Corinth. I didn't watch the show Loving, but I guess that's what he's refering to. When that show ended they had a serial killer murdering everyone in the town. I know that characters on AMC and OLTL will sometimes mention Pine Valley or Llanview on each others shows, but don't remember them having a connection with Loving.

[@taischabecerril7179]

wrjsell if I remember correctly that's where RH got his start as a soap actor I have to go back and look it up to be sure. ok yes I am right his character's name was Kent Winslow on loving

[@marcelparker6755]

Corinth does border Pine Valley and Llanview and is set in Pennsylvania as well (another Agnes Nixon soap).

[@carriebrooks2377]

Blair was wrong saying she milked the rape that was horrible what happened..but I still love blair

[@nattyps3160]

Yea that was over the line. Blair obviously is in love w/ Todd carrying his baby & knows she blew it. Now she sees Todd caring about Marty & she's jealous. As crazy as it is that she must know Marty is no threat to becoming Todd's gf or something Blair is irrational w/ the break up that she blew it w/ Todd by lying about being pregnant when as she said " I had a husband that adored me " which Todd did. It's really sad that he allowed himself to open up totally to Blair & was trying to be the total opposite of his Dad. He gave her compete access to his checking account which many husband's don't do he bought her a building for her company financed the whole company but a radio station just to fire Luna b/c Blair asked him too & he was so excited about having a son as he Said " the one thing u knew would get to me " which really broke my heart knowing he wanted a boy specifically to also be the opposite dad to him that his dad wasn't. So I think Blairs really got the jealousy going & when Todd just blew her off she lashed out at Marty badly. When I first saw this as a kid I winced when Blair said she was milking her rape for sympathy. Marty cracked her one & it was well deserved. Just like when Blair went to slap Luna & Luna caught her hand than slugged Blair. I mean here Blair was bragging to Max's wife who he just cheated on her with that she ruined her chance at love. As Luna Said " u married another man & left max " Blairs response of " we were working it out " shows how truly irrational Blair is when it comes to men she loves & she blows it with. So Blair in general hates to see todd give any attention to another woman even his rape victim who would have to be brain damaged as Susan haskell Said in 95 when she & Roger first started reading the scripts of Todd & Marty starting to hang out in bars chatting. When they saw the scene where Todd says to himself after Asa talks to him about finding a woman he couod trust todd repeats when asa leaves " a woman I can trust " & the edit purposely goes to Marty. They obviously saw where Malone was headed & got the word that indeed they were going to become a couple & bravo to both of them for threatening to quit if he went there. I think these scenes are the last remnants of Malone still pushing his agenda about Todd & Marty. Same when Todd died & Blair had to say Todd only loved Blair b/c she reminded him of Marty. I mean that was his last little parting shot of him wanting the audience to know in his world that's the truth. He was gone soon after. Ironically Malone easily could have hooked Todd & Marty up as a couple after their one night stand but he thought that doofus suede was the better choice for Marty. Even w/o hindsight it's clear to see marty & Todd before the rape had major chemistry. Even in their fighting. They had a very Alan & Monica from gh vibe. Marty needed a guy like that. With Dylan suede Patrick etc she was too saccharine sweet. Then Malone crazily wanted Powell to be the new male lead. Problem was he was just as much a rapist as Todd & no amount of Nora & bos cheerleading could change that. I think Malone who loves his morality tales wanted to show that if u have remorse & confess no matter the crime u can be forgiven. Forgiven is one thing but having Powell be a hypocrite & constantly acting like a victim when he was as bad as Todd & Zack made the audience hate Powell. Todd & Zack to a much lesser extent cause todd got much much more airtime were talked about as scum & Todd was never allowed to ever forget the rape. That's the way it should be but it alto made it hard at times to make Todd be a viable character if everyone in town hated him except for whatever gf or wife he had. And if course viki. I remember the summer kassie went on maternity leave they had Todd talking to hid bird for months cause Todd couldn't really have friends. His only acting screen partners couod be enemies his sisters & since Tina was out of town most of Todd's time there it was just viki.

[@Justicia007]

She wasn't wrong though. If you go back and watch all of the rape episodes, there was a point that Marty just wouldn't let go of it, and was milking it

[@carriebrooks2377]

@@Justicia007 how can u milk a rape? Rape is not something u can get over

[@Justicia007]

​@@carriebrooks2377Just like any other traumatic situation, when you start using it as an excuse to act out and misbehave yourself, then You could be seen as milking it. Marty definitely did that for a time. It's understandable, but it's better to try to move on if possible.

[@WDW100Yrs]

​@@Justicia007much easier said than done, unless you've personally been in the same situation, as I have been. So please don't say that people milk things. It doesn't matter how much time goes by, how much therapy you've had, no matter what you do it WILL ALWAYS HAUNT YOU. 😢😢😢 Just like any other traumatic situation, PTSD is something very serious and real, something we cannot control, even if we really try. It haunts us in our dreams, in our subconscious, even if we don't intentionally think about it, it's ALWAYS THERE... I PROMISE YOU, IT'S A LIVING NIGHTMARE. And I know this isn't real, but God forbid, if it was a gang , like Marty, and I had to keep running into the leader of the pack, the one who really made it happen, I would be probably acting worse than she is. Thankfully I don't ever have to see my person he is still locked away. I don't think I'd still be here if he was pardoned because he saved people. I understand they did that for storyline because they want it Rodger on the show but it's a terrible example to show that you could commit such a horrific act and crying and be quote redeemed just because you saved people from an accident. There is absolutely nothing in this world that could redeem what Todd did an edge on the others to do to Marty. it's really a terrible example to portray to people and to other sick people out there who commit me singing kinds of crimes it'll put in their heads oh I can go gangrape someone and then just save people from something else if I break out of prison and I'll never go back. But we have to try and separate fact from fiction but it is still very painful to see them redeeming such a horrible character from his actions. I see a lot of people trying and compare the Luke quote rape to Laura on GH to to this. I don't condone that either but the difference is it really wasn't shown it wasn't so violent wasn't premeditated and he regretted it immediately afterwards HUGE DIFFERENCE. I what's not alive the year it happened but if I remember correctly I believe he apologized to her rather quickly I'm not saying that it makes it right but it was just so different from this horrific act I do still find it very creepy that they want to head and made them into a huge super couple but they said their chemistry was so great and I find it even stranger how the fans rallied behind them making it Day times most watched wedding ever is something I will never comprehend sorry for the long comment the story just in any stories like this just a little affect me as you can see in a personal way because it's very personal to me and I'm sorry I'm not coming at you please don't take it that way it's just very upsetting when people attack the victim I know they're over dramatizing her a bit I will say that but that's hell soaps are but in real life we honestly we don't look these things even with her she even when she told Patrick she says it's something she doesn't like to talk about transfer already true for people who've been through this do not like to discuss it cuz you have to relive it is and it is very hard to relive because it brings it all back and you want it to go away it never does be with you until the day you die unfortunately...

[@rebekahmikaelson1920]

i'm sorry do I know you? ROFL!

[@sarika811]

No he loves you

[@wrjsell]

Marty said when Maxed dumped you. Didn't she mean Cord?

[@zainahussein9534]

Did wardrobe run out of things for Blair to wear? because she is wearing Todd's clothes in these scenes with Marty.

[@newattitude]

i'm tired of the Marty anger and hate. Why didnt they show HER in counseling?? showing her getting help to move on?

[@Justicia007]

It wasn't just anger and hate that's what made it so interesting

[@Justicia007]

Good point. She just said he was still a rapist, she called him a disgusting animal. I know she's drunk but after Todd apologized multiple times and saved her life twice at least her level of rage really needs to be addressed. I agree, she needs counseling big time. And here she was actually trying to provoke him into something. You have to wonder if she's attracted to him. It was weird behavior of her....

[@nattyps3160]

Man todd killed marty saying " when r u gonna stop asking for it" im stunned she brought up him being a calculus flunkie & a disgusting animal. Why was she at todds elbow during his 1st marriage to blair. She even brought up him getting kicked off the football team. I admit marty had a great line when she grabbed him then said let go the next line was awesome " ohh the last time i said that u went to prison " ouch. Todds a pimp though hes got two beautiful women fighting over him martys actually defrnding him vs blair while blairs carrying his baby. Hes a lord a weakthy man & so many people wind up kissing up to him asa alex tina & later viki. Cassie andrew also cared about him. Dorian cane through & planned the wedding & kelly & addie liked him. Rj as well went to see him for favors.

[@domarisc]

Hah, I love how Blair tells Marty to shut up because she doesn't know what she's talking about, when that has never once stopped Blair from mouthing off.

[@friendsforever5012]

Blair needed to be slapped quite a few times after the way she talked to Marty. What I don’t understand is some of these comments in here always trying to defend Marty’s rapist. Comments saying Marty is annoying and that she’s too hard on Todd. Like, WHAT?! Marty has every right to talk to Todd the way she wishes. Todd will NEVER be the victim. He creates victims, he doesn’t becomes them.

[@debb481]

A few Todd fangirls excuse almost anything that Todd does, even violence, seemingly because of his looks. These are likely not teenagers but there is def a 13 year old mentality there. No matter how much he acts the villain a few see him as a sparkling romantic lead.

[@nattyps3160]

Blair sorta hit it in the head about asking what she " gets out of making Todd feel bad about himself all the time" b4 the rape Marty was really unnecessarily viscious to todd

[@Justicia007]

Mega attraction between those two...

[@nattyps3160]

@libertyjustice4847 todd & Marty ? I assume u don't mean Blair & Todd. Yea it sux the writers didn't see the sparks Todd & marty had before the rape. I recently watched Todd & Marty scenes before the rape & they were 1000× more interesting than her & that doof suede & he was a bad actor & his character was so cheesy. The writers obviously knew how badly they screwed up b/c they kept putting Todd & Marty in scenes than of course tried to pair them in 95 had the actors not refused & threatened quitting. Funny Malone was looking so hard for a love interest for Marty & all were terrible. Suede Dylan & Patrick. All boring & Marty wouod act saccharine sweet w/ them. The show was also dying for its new leading man for the 90s & they found it in Todd but realized it again to late. Rh was a great actor & Todd took over the whole show. I remember when Luna busted his head in w/ the pipe & Todd was in a coma the show literally still revolved around him w/ everyone talking about him constantly & while in the coma the show got actually boring. Obviously Todd was a huge unexpected hit. I've never seen an actor on a show that started off w/ no name within a year take it over & win an Emmy that fast. Luke ; sonny I know on gh were only supposed to be short term but at least they started off hired for a contract. Todd literally was just guesting early on but the more they gave him to do the more story he drove & acted really great. Head writer Micheal Malone said " the reason that character was able to survive was the actor was great showing on his face w/o lines or direction the torment & agony he felt. U always could tell exactly how Todd felt in every scene. Even of his lines were contrary his expressions showed his feelings well.

[@Justicia007]

​@@nattyps3160Yes I was just pointing out how they were attracted to one another, even after the rape which was hard for both of them. I think that's part of the reason why Marty had to act like she despised Todd. I think she had obvious feelings for him and he did for her but I'm not sure they would have worked out ultimately as a couple anyway. I just love Blair and Todd together and they are better suited to one another. The neglect and abuse in their childhoods helps them to understand one another.

[@nattyps3160]

@@Justicia007 I agree w/ you. One fan years ago put up a post about this. How marty was literally at Todd's elbow throughout his first marriage to Blair. How marty was born to the manor how todd became a lord a family marty wanted so badly to be part of w/ first megan viki Jesse Kevin etc. He was pre rape pre therapy/ him realizing Peter was horrific to him. Anyway Todd treated marty an heiress like gutter trash & put Blair a foster child on his pedestal & marty was fascinated by this. Her saying to Blair a bunch of things like " for the first time in his stupid life u tell him ur pregnant & actually does the right thing " Todd finally in their fire side chat admitted that he was was kicking himself after their consensual one nighter that he didn't stay to hold her. I give the writers credit that Todd brought this up over & over the only time he told the truth in the stand in the trial when he said he slept w/ Marty she pleaded w/ him to stay & he should have. He brought this up so many times at the tabernacle saying his version of it but still consistent how he was mad that if he stayed the night marty never forgave him. Todd really held onto this b/c marty way over reacted to him leaving & not staying. Marty really couldn't get on from this she overreacted. So Blair got the best Todd. I think Blair did notice Todd & Marty's " hurt me hold me " dynamic & it was so disturbing to her but she didn't know how to put it into words b/c it was so foreign to her. Anyway for todd & Blair is really was sad that that she lied about being pregnant b/c everything she said to him was true that they were best friends they were the only 2 people who understood eachother in town at that time." Most pathetic club "was brilliant. Sad b/c 5 sec b4 Blair figured out todd was the lord heir she was emotional about him moving to Florida begged him to stay & made him sign an adorable " promissory " note that he promised to visit her 3x a year. When he left she said aloud how much she was gonna miss him " my only friend " awww.