LIVESCOPE----OLD GENERATION VS NEW GENERATION---

[@joebreakmaster5442]

I like how you always look like you’re figuring out a riddle and the answer is always that you’re an awesome bass fisherman. Sometimes, even you are surprised how great you are. Keep up the content.

[@tubbybuttfishingtennesseem8326]

So true but I dig it

[@joelketcham7496]

I bought livescope 5 years ago just didn't want to get left behind. I have learned so much about fish movement and how they set up on things its really opened my eyes. I'm just like you I love catching fish different ways, including live scope. I guess you could say I'm a broad range junk fisherman can do it all just not really proficient at any one thing. except maybe shallow cranking. BTW im old school 61 years old.

[@kerrycooperfishing2732]

Only circuit I’ll watch on is NPFL .

[@jeb4836]

In wish the nextgen crowd well, but I feel technology is going to outrun the reason why we fish. Not a FFS hater just a Crazy time. Todd, u have become really good at presenting topics and clear and simple discussion. Great job

[@lagoguide6330]

I've had Livescope since 2021 and not going back but I'm in the same conundrum. I love to old school fish, Chapo, Spook, Vibe jig... Watching a fish come out of a foot of water and smash vibe jig is just a blast. Throwing a different weighted minnow bait and at 15-40 FOW is really boring to me. Hard to spend a day doing that.

[@michaellamenza7617]

Also, I think major tournaments, especially, have to limit it. I think versatility and being able to do different techniques and different things should be part of it. Not just whoever can scope the best wins.

[@dustinwalker8152]

That golf analogy and the breakdown of it is solid wisdom.

[@johncure8268]

100% with the age factor. I had my window during the late 90's thru 2010. Won several big events and made a decent income most years. Then I noticed my performance going down over each year. I also feel I fish better, but my results do not tell the same story. I have live scope, but have incorporated into my fishing as more of another advanced sonar. I will always tournament fish because I love the competition, but I also use reality and enjoy the good days, then accept the bad days. Never going to change my way of fishing (old school) because I enjoy my way, but not going to hate on innovation either. Its a choice and as an American that is one of our rights👍

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

Great comment 👍 and perspective

[@OriginalTailhunter]

If the only way to catch bass is to play video games then I’ll stop fishing. But it’s not. Been fishing ever since I could hold a rod. I can still catch them. And the joy is still actually in fishing. It always has been for me anyway. If you want to watch people starring at a screen playing games just go to your neighbors basement. If we lose the challenges in catching fish, we lose the lure and then the sport. The Karen’s will finally win. If you don’t think there are tons of people with tons of money trying to make it illegal to catch fish, you’re delusional.

[@LakeProTackle]

Great video Todd. Great talking with you at ICast. Your thoughts definitely translate to my day to day fishing

[@dustinwalker8152]

Randy Blaukat didn’t his way with livescope or the election. Poor fella, bless his heart lol!

[@robertfirasek5296]

Great Video as usual, that’s a bad ass looking shop you have

[@jamesbarron1202]

LIVESCOPE = 90% hunting and 10% fishing OLD SCHOOL = 90% fishing and 10% hunting

[@Hussman-n7h]

Fishing is hunting 100% of the time. We just use another name for it. Whether you are casting a rod trolling or throwing a net, you are fishing and hunting.

[@BluntTruth7]

You are correct. Fishing is Hunting and using skill sets to find bass. Livescope removes those skill sets you learned throughout your years of fishing from the equation, and now you can find fish without putting in the hard work. This is an undeniable fact. So, now we see people at the bow focused on the monitor the whole time, trying to put a bait in front of a bass in hopes of catching it. These people don't even look around their environment for tall tale signs of bass habitats and instead rely solely on their monitors to do this for them. This is not fishing; it's gaming. There is no skill in this type of fishing, and it is disheartening to see the professionals fall into a sponsorship trap and side with these sponsors to sell highly expensive pieces of equipment that are turning this industry into an elitist sporting event. Yes, I'm old school and believe in the old ways of finding and catching bass. One person here mentioned he bought Livescope to avoid being left behind. That is a very provocative statement if you think about it. Todd, this is a great discussion, and I can't wait to hear back from you and rip me apart, so bring it.

[@jamesbarron1202]

@ I’m definitely old school. I’ve been bass fishing 50 plus years (in my 60s) and guided for bass. I stopped watching tournaments on TV where FFS is the dominant pattern if you can consider it a pattern. I don’t blame the anglers. I blame the tournament organizations. I’m guessing 95% of the anglers who refuse to use it would eventually go broke.

[@Wxyvs-]

@@jamesbarron1202 tons of tournaments are won flipping still

[@jamesbarron1202]

@@Wxyvs- Of course they are but very few can just rely on pitching without also using FFS. Very few angler flip anymore. Most young anglers don’t know flipping from pitching.

[@stevenwhite5558]

Another awesome video, I like how you play devil's advocate

[@mikeandrade586]

In my state we have large reservoirs that we only allow bank fishing. They've never been chased around by livescope. Those are the only places left that make for interesting and divserse fishing left in the state.

[@kylecurlee280]

💯

[@ottercat8527]

I have so much to say about this, but I won't! If you want to scope, then scope! If you want to beat the bank, then do so!!! But if you get beat by somebody doing the opposite of you, just shake their hand and go on!

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

👍

[@charlesreid1599]

I guess I’m old school, and the Livescope group really kicked my butt for a few years. Hell I didn’t even know they were using it until these two guys started kicking everyone’s butts in our local tournaments.😆 But overtime I’ve tried to learn everything I can about it, just like when side scan came out. I use it all the time but it doesn’t replace everything I do. Lake St. Clair is one of the lakes I fish a lot and I would say it is very helpful on that lake. But I really believe the fish are beginning to learn from getting caught this way. It’s already not as easy as when I first got mine. What will it be like 5yrs from now?

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

I'm not sure either kinda depends on the lake. The bigger the lakes the easier it is to catch them. You just can't put pressure on all of them.

[@mikeandrade586]

Being a bank fisherman after the age of livescope is absolute misery.

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

I can see that

[@Hussman-n7h]

Hello Todd. I believe you have the right idea. The best tournament fishermen can switch from ffs to fishing without it as need be. If you are ffs fishing and you are in a school of 2 1/2 pounders. If you have a 4 to 5 pounder in your back pocket on the shore, it is a good strategy. I do believe that in the high school system, there should be no ffs used to teach them the basics. Then, once they reach college/university, you have a good basic knowledge, and then you can use ffs. Building a good knowledgeable farm system. Tight lines. Regards, Steven.

[@randypewthers8983]

Man, I wanted Poche to win so badly and beat those panners because the way he was fishing. Such a cool deal.

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

Not me

[@DanielBoone337]

Man even lower level tournaments you have to be good at livescope. It's just part of fishing now and you have to accept that until a change is made... That said I'm in the same boat I'd much rather catch them swimming a jig, flipping grass, throwing crankbaits, spinnerbaits, or Carolina rigs but when things get tough I always end up in the middle of a creek or ditch with spinning rods throwing a minnow. It's definitely turning into something I have a good bit of confidence in... like in an emergency I know I can scrap any practice push out deep normally looking for big groups of bait on side scan then start looking around with Livescope until I find fish then it just turns into a numbers thing. Meaning the more fish I throw at the more I catch which is kind of crazy because I always end up wondering why I didn't just do that from the beginning. Great video as always keepem coming man!!!

[@clintskala26]

Been fishing a long time myself and have had this same dilemma. I always feel like I’m missing something no matter what I’m doing. If I’m fishing shallow I’m thinking what I’m I missing by not scoping.

[@jasonmitchell8211]

For you. It’s hard to stray from what got you where you are. I’m avg at both . 😁

[@tonyb-50]

Livescoping is the Minecraft of fishing

[@JohnPowell-Fish88]

You sound Exactly like me! 🤷🏻‍♂️ Some lakes and time of year yeah better be Scoping! 🤷🏻‍♂️ Facts!! It’s ALL about the Biggs Now!!🙄

[@jerrydrazer1328]

You/Russell and a few others have “adapted” to use FFS when it’s a needed as tool. But y’all also know traditional bass fishing. Thats why y’all are so successful. As a team or individually.

[@michaellamenza7617]

No place in tournament fishing imo. It's has made it 1 dimensional. 100 % A complete game changer. Im all in on npfl and mlf too. No interest in BASS anymore.

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

I will say its very one dimensional

[@williamknight5142]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@jessetompkins9092]

Hitting the nail on the head bud. A

[@af4od02]

My thoughts the reason the Alabama rig was outlawed was because it was a new technique, a new rod and reel combination required and more additional clutter on the deck of the boat.

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

No it was easier. It made average fishermen good. They didn't have to think or plan or do anything but just throw that bait all day in practice and tournaments. It's not really what we wanted in professional fishing.

[@GaryStarley]

I can’t afford it so no need for me to worry about it, but from a fan watching on TV it sucks looking at the back of someone neck all day so I quit watching Bassmasters and MLF but I will watch and keep up with NPFL. Just my opinion

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

Hey you can’t knock someone on what they want to watch I get it

[@controlavirus9839]

I’ll admit to you all, I’m borderline livescope hater. It’s sad, it’s 100% NOT fishing Not necessarily because of present day scope, but the next thing that’s coming. It’s always better than the previous. It’s Not like it’s done, I can’t imagine how disgusting it will eventually get

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

This was how I felt at the beginning as well. I'm still scared of what's to come. Problem is I can't deny it for 5 years waiting, at some point I have to face reality if I want t continue to fish tournaments.

[@controlavirus9839]

@ I totally get what you mean. Although I do pick and choose which tournaments I fish nowadays. Depending on time of year and how the bite is Because I’m not. Scoper

[@BluntTruth7]

Todd, love your analogy on preparation for a Tournament. But you just solidified the argument about why FFS shouldn't be allowed in tournaments. With FFS, you no longer need to do all the prep work beforehand and can rely on this tool to find your fish for you. This is unprecedented because now you have the ability to find Bass regardless of your experience and capabilities, thus making it easier to catch them without any prep work. So, all those old-school guys don't need to worry about showing up to a tournament if they don't have FFS on their boats because you're saying they will not have a chance against someone who does have FFS. This statement has also been proven if you look at tournaments won in either BASS or MLF. Those who have FFS have won all tournaments that have allowed this tool to be used. There may be a couple exceptions to this, but I'm pretty sure I'm correct. The other question is, who is pushing FFS? Is it the professionals in BASS and MLF who feel the majority need this tool in order to compete? Or, is it the Sponsors who sell these products and sponsor the tournaments who threaten to pull their funds if their equipment isn't used by the pros or advertised through the tournaments? Probably the latter.

[@petecook1611]

I agree w u..I don't have live scope simply because of how much it's gonna cost me to switch brands at this time. Do I wanna learn it yeah but do I hate watching the guys live scope all-day knowing that's about all they know how to do at the top level yeah for some reason in back of my mind it is kinda too easy fishing was never meant to be that way imo but technology keeps making it easier an more expensive

[@timg185]

If I was a pro I would learn it . But I don’t enjoy it . I fished local tournaments because I enjoy them . If I have to live scope . Then why bother . Didn’t fish a tournament all year .

[@tonyb-50]

I have no dilemma… I can’t afford Livescope 😂

[@justinwomack678]

Maybe it's just me but imo a 25lb bag is a 25lb bag no matter if you caught them on football jig or a little minnow

[@moondog5553]

The people complaining about live scope are using it as a built-in excuse on why they can’t win tournaments anymore. They underestimate the amount of time other pros have put into using it effectively.

[@OriginalTailhunter]

And some people just like easy.

[@michaellamenza7617]

I think because it's made fishing one dimensional is the main reason people don't like it. Also, seeing fish live and how they react, etc, is too big of a game changer. I think most ppl realize it could take time to learn it, and some ppl are better than others at using it. But there's no question it makes things easier and cuts down the leaning curve and makes it way easier to find fish. No one says any different about that.

[@averyallen4798]

I use my 360 and mega live to enhance my style of fishing and make me more productive I don't go out in the middle of the lake and Chase fish

[@chrismalas8747]

Yep you hit that on the head

[@TroySheahan]

unfortunately, you can not win a multiple day tournament without FFS. Look at how many multiple day tournaments were won this year with FFS. I don't believe you would find more than two that were won without it. You must use it if you fish tournaments to have a shot to win. FFS first, then instincts second. Fishing has turned into hunting. Remember how Wheeler was won and the age of the angler who did it. there is only one KVD. Good Luck.

[@nauseous001]

Sometimes you just cant get out of your own way, nothing wrong with it.

[@CumminsMichael]

FFS- Goal- Locate school of large bass. Means: Log 200+ miles finding schools pre fishing and identify FFS baits that work. End: Cash a check. Multiple that by however many FFS tourney anglers and all the big fish that are bear to death heading to weigh-in. It can’t, it isn’t going to end well for the bass populations in any body of water.

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

They’ll be fine, they are still being released.

[@mikeandrade586]

It'd be hard to deny the increased rate of barotrauma, and fizzing is far from a guaranteed success. The concern for the treatment of bass in tourneys is legitimate and we can't disregard it saying that they get released and they're fine. Tourneys have an obligation to pad their release numbers to look better. People who live near tourney lakes will testify to the massive fish kill that follows the "release" cycle.

[@CumminsMichael]

@@mikeandrade586 I got a few photos of those “releases” after a weigh-in this year. You can see the whites of the bass bellies of at least 16 largemouth bass. And those are just the ones I could get into frame from the dock after one tournament this year. I feel the damage of increased tournament fishing (post-COVID phenomena) to the quality of bass on a lake won’t be seen until the next generation of bass anglers. FFS just makes it an unrelenting assault on quality bass all year long. JMHO

[@mikeandrade586]

@@CumminsMichael Well it's good to know there's a few people with their heads on straight. Maybe just maybe we'll win this fight and get actual regulations on our waters. Probably not, but it's nice to know we tried.

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

So fish only die in tournaments if they were caught using livescope got it. Tournaments been going on for 50 years and fishing is still the same.

[@dylanforney780]

For me I like livescope , but I don’t want to video game fish all day. I also would rather not throw an A-rig all day.

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

I also have to throw the a rig just in tournaments

[@Bg3ci]

Ask yourself if you have a choice of a tournament with Liv only or old school, which would you be prouder to win?

[@BluntTruth7]

Definitely old school.

[@larryroland9383]

If you are a young viewer that loves to fish. watching on tv. a person live scoping. not talking about what they are. doing and why. versus the old way of watching TV. where the bass pro would talk about. what he's doing, why he's doing it. Types allure he is doing it. To me that was more fun to watch. Reversing looking at a person staring down. at their screen. and not talking about what they are doing. To me that is boring. What if they had a tournament where you could not use live scope? on that lake. for for the tournament. I think. at the Weigh inns. the weights of your bag for that day. or that. full tournament. The Mount of fish that you have. would be a whole lot different. one way or the other. If you remember your history of. bass fishing. the pros. could only have a certain size boat. Certain sized engine and a flasher. How much money has been spent? for Bass organizations? to promote? new product. and for them to. get paid. what they promote in their magazines. and what they promote. on live television. Look back in your history. Today it's all about money. As a bass pro. do you think? the Co anglers in the back of your boat? are having a good time. when these live scopers. are out in the middle of the lake. Not having any chance. to catch any fish. because there are no targets. for them to look for. in the back of your boat. I think they are getting discouraged. There is no learning for them. at all. That you are a person. that is in high school. or college. bass fishing. out of a back of a boat. I think this will turn a younger generation off on bass fishing. That is a sad thing to see.

[@patricklambert5622]

Pride dont pay the bills ,if you fish for a living you better fish the best techniques so you can cash checks .you can get to town on a mule, but why they have nice cars to ride in .

[@edwardcowan7012]

Until this year you could qualify for the Elites without making a big commitment. If you fished a single division of the Opens (3 events) or won the Federation Championship you were in. I turned it down when I qualified and know others that did the same. As far as ffs goes I have no interest in it and think it will become less effective over time. I’ve tournament fished for close to 50 years and any time someone figures out how to exploit bass that haven’t been being effectively targeted they dominate. In time the bass being targeted with ffs will be over exploited and less vulnerable.

[@daveriggs2033]

Dude enough with the drama scope videos. Positive content about fishing.

[@DAY5-l2f]

Real men dont use FFS...

[@toddcastledinefishing5924]

What do they use

[@tonyb-50]

I don’t care if you do it or not I won’t watch it, just like I won’t watch smallmouth dropshot fishing