Harold Henthorn | Unlikely Accidents or Murder?

This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Harold Henthorn?
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[@unicornreality1771]

So Harold tried to stop Lyn receiving CPR, refused to give his coat so his injured wife could be kept warm whilst awaiting the ambulance and kept changing his story of what happened - and no red flags were raised? Not even about the very large insurance payouts? If Lyn's death had been properly investigated Toni would still be alive.

[@patkeeler6645]

Fishy is mild word

[@luccamartin8197]

I totally agree!!!

[@aarondavis8943]

The police were totally outwitted by someone with only half a wit 🤣

[@ED-es2qv]

CPR causes broken ribs, so he was being nice. As for the coat, haven’t you heard the phrase, “ you’re not dead, until you’re warm and dead.” He was trying to keep her alive by minimizing her body temperature until the people with equipment showed up. It all makes perfect sense if you look at it right.

[@Flamsterette]

While, not whilst.

[@SomervilleBob]

Henthorn was found guilty of the 2nd wife's murder and is now in federal prison.

[@kurtwashere]

Yeah, Dr. Grande made a video about it...

[@tomaskuli177]

Thank goodness.

[@lindaschultz7900]

This was on the OWN channel last night.

[@cjk6736]

Sad.

[@annwilliams6438]

Good, and may he rot there for the rest of his life!

[@crowredeye8066]

Toni was my eye doctor in the late 90s. She was not married to him then. She was Dr. Bertolet at this time. It was quite a shock. She was a sweet person.

[@deborahfairbanks4012]

How sad... I was a mail carrier for a child psychiatrist who was murdered by a home health aid he'd hired to care for his wife who had dementia or Parkinson's. The aid worker was stealing checks, and he caught her, the neighbors told me she hit him in the head and killed him. It was devastating. He was a lovely man.

[@user-fu1nw7kh2h]

She was naive.

[@crowredeye8066]

@@deborahfairbanks4012 oh my gosh, how horrible.

[@crowredeye8066]

@@user-fu1nw7kh2h I suppose so.

[@debbieblythe3491]

@@user-fu1nw7kh2h I don’t think she was naive I think she loved and trusted him on the other hand he was very controlling

[@doctorajaguar]

Thanks Dr. Grande for that last advice: we shouldnt be giving a free pass to people violating small boundaries over and over, it says a lot about their personality endeed.

[@j-stilt9746]

hot

[@Flamsterette]

Yep, and that's why I refuse to give free passes to my former friend.

[@IMWeira]

Right! I'm on the one pass rule. Once and done.

[@batmanwgd]

*indeed

[@CBrown86]

Henthorn sounds like the kind of determined and patient antisocial narcissist that most people hope they aren’t dealing with. It’s hard to tell if you’re dealing with a run of the mill narcissist or one that has the determination to wait 12 years to kill you. Awesome video Dr G!

[@kkheflin3]

Ain't that the truth? Talk about patience!

[@kam0406]

Frightening, isn't it?

[@bcw6298]

scary stuff..

[@delilahhart4398]

I don't see how these people keep up their act for so long. You would think it would get exhausting!

[@llkellenba]

My unfortunate experience with narcissists is they eventually all would like me dead - narcissistic rage is relentless and ugly. Fortunately not all of them far enough along the spectrum to actually murder someone, though they are often extremely destructive.

[@maureeningleston1501]

Not only is Dr Grande an expert on mental health but he would also make a brilliant investigator.

[@ruthpearsall2618]

Yes, he knows about cars, guns and recognising BS...

[@GuyNamedSean]

He's specifically a criminal psychologist, so he's got experience with the subject matter.

[@MateriaHunter]

To be fair, I think we could all solve this one.

[@canadianmum2040]

Agreed!

[@Mjj633]

Yes!!!!!

[@lpetitoiseau9146]

I worked with Lynn Henthorn at Denver Options. She was a Social Worker, a case manager for developmentally disabled adults. She was an angel. An absolute angel.

[@Laura-tp8wz]

She sounds wonderful. Bless her. RIP. 🙏🏻

[@zappababe8577]

It is so sad that the kindest, most honest people become targets for manipulative, heartless SOB's. We only have our own yardstick to judge someone else by. If a behaviour is unthinkable to you, you literally cannot think of your loved one behaving that way to you. The more honest person would tend to give them the benefit of the doubt for this reason. I am so sorry that you have lost your friend in this horrible way.

[@lnc-to4ku]

It's so unsettling to see photos of his wives nestled into him- unaware that they were married to a complete monster plotting their death! I love your closing thoughts!! ♡

[@Kempy13]

Isn't that weird that people will lie just to impress people? I was just talking about that the other day with my uncle Jon Bon Jovi.

[@Ron4885]

lol Eric. Very well played. Thumbs up just for that. :-)

[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

Sounds legit to me ☺ 👍

[@alexalcan]

Wow! Your uncle is Jon Bon Jovi?? I'm impressed!

[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

Could I get his autograph ??!! 😀

[@Kempy13]

@@anonymousstrangeness7348 of course! I'll email it to you!

[@oliviad3326]

Dr Grande your upload schedule really spoils me. Feels nearly flirtatious. I’m only speculating what could be happening in a situation like this though...

[@toniemorrison4263]

😄🤣

[@tessajones9393]

Omg legit 😂😂

[@n.e.w.3747]

g7v

[@eliscanfield3913]

I hope Tony's daughter is doing alright. If her parents were married for 12 years, she was just a kid when her dad murdered her mom.

[@alexandramsh4740]

@Elis Canfield Hi! After watching this I searched and found out that 48 hours did a documentary. Toni’s daughter lives with her brother’s family in Mississippi. ❤️

[@katieaiken3000]

I went to High School with Toni- she was such a shining light. Brilliant, (her whole family are doctors- she was an eye doctor herself), kind and gentle, she just wanted to be loved and to become a mom. If it weren’t for the efforts of her brother, that monster might still be at large murdering whomever he victimized next. I remember at my last appointment with her, she was telling me how happy she was and that she was moving to Colorado. 💔. RIP Toni, you deserved so much more from life. Thank God for Barry’s efforts to get you justice. What a loss.😢💔

[@annakatebertolet2703]

my dad did a lot too! he's the one who had the intuition to never have liked the bastard in the first place.

[@annakatebertolet2703]

Todd

[@katieaiken3000]

@@annakatebertolet2703 I’m sure he did- I didn’t mean to alight anyone in the family…I know they all fought so hard for justice for Toni. God bless you all!❤️💔❤️

[@annakatebertolet2703]

@@katieaiken3000 my bad! i just thought you might know Todd too from going to high school with them! he was really quiet and 2 years younger than Toni so that's prob why.

[@katieaiken3000]

@@annakatebertolet2703 No worries whatsoever Angel!! You have a wonderful family- and I did know of Todd, but I’m just enough older that I knew him by site only 🥰❤️😘

[@MP-yo2fx]

I remember this case. Her dad taught her how to change a tire and said this would have never happened

[@chelseagirl278]

VERY interesting!!

[@groominator-magneticequato7195]

I couldn’t believe the family didn’t hire an investigator to reopen the case.

[@tessajones9393]

That's so sad 😢

[@Somegirl811]

He really said he sat on the hatch of the vehicle WHILE she was underneath it? Might as well admit to kicking it!

[@amandafranklin1914]

My eyebrows shot to the top of my forehead when I heard that one.

[@Fandangtastic]

Apparently his behavior and rediculous behavior didn't even seen phase the police. You'd think that they would have asked at least a few questions for the first wife's death, and attempted murder on the second. But heck no. 😟

[@Somegirl811]

@@Fandangtastic you gotta think, he was a man who just tragically lost his wife. You gotta have some sort of confidence to accuse someone in that position. But you're right though. Still seems like they shouldve noticed something off.

[@Theunspoiledprincess]

@@Somegirl811 I remember watching this story on tv a couple years ago and I believe the officers were suspicious but I can’t remember why nothing came of it. I know they were contacted years later after his second wife was killed and asked about what happened the night his first wife died.

[@Somegirl811]

@@Theunspoiledprincess that would be an interesting conversation!

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Henthorn was such a master manipulator with both wives. However, it’s not so easy to identify manipulation in a long term relationship like a marriage, but I think you are right on target in regards to maintaining clear boundaries as a way to protect oneself. Unfortunately when people began noticing a pattern of manipulation, that’s usually after a long series of offenses. I tend to think that, at first, most people will give their partner the benefit of the doubt before assuming there is deceit at work. Great analysis again Dr. Grande, thank you!❤️

[@aarondavis8943]

I personally don't like this term: master manipulator. All he had to do was target the right personality in a partner and he could dominate them with very little skill required. Some people simply see the best in people and can't really imagine that the person they have loved for years would harm them. I think most of the pathological dynamic at work in these situations is in the mind of the victim, rather than the perpetrator. This makes your point about boundaries all the more critical in avoiding narcissists, and this is the good news. We can quite easily be empowered to be invulnerable to narcissist manipulation, but these simple skills need to be taught from an early age.

[@annakatebertolet2703]

she was also blinded by christianity and the idea that you're supposed to submit to your husband. that's what my grandma and dad agree what happened.

[@RaysDad]

Before marrying anyone I suggest hiring a private investigator to run a full background check on your intended, including financials, police records, and previous relationships.

[@Fandangtastic]

Makes sense.

[@JustDr.S]

Good thing it's a lot easier to do now. Years ago, you'd have to hire a private investigator or get a cop friend to do it. I'd also get a background check before you start dating someone seriously.

[@annecunningham1151]

Just pay Dr Grande 🤷‍♀️

[@RingoStarr_]

That seems crazy

[@sandracmyers]

@The Ol’ Babaganoush YOU are the only one talking about SEXUAL history weirdo

[@horrortackleharry]

The Police have a lot of power. When they fail to properly investigate a suspicious death, they often condemn others to death in the future.

[@mhern57]

Doctor Grande doesn't even take Sundays off.👍🏼

[@sandracmyers]

He's a heathen like me haha

[@Fedorevsky]

While I can understand and accept his wish to work all week long what about his cacti? Has anyone asked them if they are willing to do so? What if they are Christian cacti perchance?! This possibility haunts me so...

[@wkgmathguy218]

I work hard, but Dr. G makes me look like a slacker :D

[@mhern57]

@@wkgmathguy218 You're not alone. Dr. G makes ALL of us look like we're slacking!😄

[@static-tf2ji]

"He would try to prevent Toni's family from talking to her on the phone." I would say he succeeded.

[@carolv8450]

She should have left then!

[@alimar0604]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🇬🇧

[@fang3839]

This reminds me of one of Agatha Christie’s short stories. Miss Marple tried to stop a wife killer but failed. She talked about how the wife didn’t believe her husband would hurt her after the husband’s failed attempt on her life by accident and Miss Marple tried to warn her. I thought it’s a little bit hard to believe. Now I see it’s from real life. Tony wasn’t alert after the beam nearly missed her.

[@korubi_eCSTatic]

This is so sad! What a freaking monster.

[@lynncrf]

TBF, few people would think that meant their partner was out to get them.

[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

It seems like a 20-foot wooden beam falling on your head or neck.. ..you would at least WONDER if that might be a red flag. That beam really could have killed her.

[@GoGreen1977]

@@anonymousstrangeness7348 I've seen a couple of true crime tv programs on Henthorn. Dr. Grande doesn't go into Henthorn's "career", which didn't exist. He lied about his work and he must have hid his finances, or lack thereof, from Toni. I don't know what he said or did about work and finances with his first wife. Anyway, I find it incomprehensible how Henthorn prevented Toni from finding out he had no career and, if he had any money in the bank, it was what remained from the insurance money from the death/murder of Lynn. Toni and he were married 12 years, and she never looked at their joint finances, tax returns, or retirement accounts? Or she decided to live in the Land of Denial? All I can ascribe it to is that she was brought up as a good, faithful Christian from the deep South, and that meant, even though she was a doctor, she had to stick to her role as a submissive, never questioning wife. Too many women still accept that role.

[@anne-louisegoldie]

If she'd known all the circumstances of the previous wife's story, then she might have been alerted by the beam incident, and got out then. But she couldn't have known of course 😔xx

[@PetroicaRodinogaster264]

Claiming insurance very soon after is a huge indicator of guilt to me. Reminds me of my uncle who had three wives. the first two died from eating poisoned mushrooms but the third died from a smashed skull...she wouldn't eat the poisoned mushrooms!

[@bobdecarlo7778]

You gotta stop!

[@ellen5165]

It can be an indicator of guilt, but if there is a nonworking parent with children left, as an example, sometimes they need that life insurance to survive, even just in the short term. Everyone isn't fortunate enough to have enough savings to handle the loss of income.

[@bee12355]

Also demanding your partner is cremated right away is a red flag

[@annakatebertolet2703]

we immediately knew something was up and paused some of her accounts. the others he had already gotten to and spent all of.

[@calico-kat-mom6204]

This was an amazing analysis this is why I indulge in True Crime because I want to be aware and keep my boundaries so that I can keep my life

[@kkheflin3]

I hear you! Good choice. Me too.

[@alcoholfree6381]

Avoid falling in love with crazy serial killers!

[@maureensamson4863]

​@alcoholfree6381 You may be their first victim !

[@oliviaeff4154]

Wow this guy is some piece of work

[@johnmurdoch3083]

He sounds like a real jerk.

[@liquidgeorge]

I actually think Dr Grande is great.

[@jenniferocious480]

When people test boundaries, it makes me think of the scene in Jurassic Park where the raptors are testing the electric fence...they find the weakness and attack...I believe it’s a pretty fitting description of boundary testing. Boundary testing rarely leads to awesome surprises 😂

[@stanford2590]

Namibian 🇳🇦 fan over here... Thank you Dr. G. 🧠✍️💭🤓

[@DoggyHateFire]

So this guy plans out the murders but pretty much freestyles the cover story.

[@alimar0604]

I agree. So random! I am surprised that red flags weren't raised after his first wife's death and his confused rambling explanation 🤔 🇬🇧

[@gigi9301]

Those Pesky Good Samaritans....Always getting in the way of Freestyle Murder Plans....

[@janedoe5048]

Hey, don't knock it, it worked for him the first time.

[@Fluffimuff]

@@gigi9301 right? Pretty sure he acted annoyed with their help. And not wanting them to do CPR? The police really didn't do their jobs back then, and because of that a second wife was murdered.

[@wokejesus6501]

Suprisingly common. So disappointing.

[@vegetasolo1221]

You'll probably never see this comment but I wanted to thank you. I've been struggling with so much anxiety and depression the last few months and now with the state the world is in I've been feeling so close to bursting into tears at any given minute, but could never actually let myself cry. You helped me finally release all these emotions that have been building up and finally be able to cry. Again, thank you

[@gwacemarie8897]

God loves you...and He still has a plan and works everything for good. Romans 8:28

[@janebyers4923]

Lesson...never allow anyone to take u off the trails.

[@darlenelawson1255]

Especially if they have a large Life Insurance as well

[@eliscanfield3913]

I do that with my husband regularly and he's blind, lol. But then, I'm not homicidal. Those two poor women and the decent members of their family.

[@kati-ana]

When my husband passed, even tho I am still young I knew I would never remarry or even date because people are freaky evil these days. People are too good at manipulation and disguise.

[@dianamarie5663]

Same here Ellzee.

[@stanford2590]

I'd have to agree with you 100% on that.....

[@ladymopar2024]

Well I have lost two husbands because of heart attacks in cancer I did remarry 20 years later I'm very happy but if I am live this husband I will never Mary again

[@ladymopar2024]

I wanted to add I was not looking for anybody at the time my second husband passed 20 years and I still wasn't looking for anyway the life has its way of changing your mind I hope you find peace

[@michaelguckian5373]

Sorry for your loss. Sometimes I think 90 % of people are sound. Some other times I think its only 10%.

[@dianamarie5663]

Boundary violations. Good point. That would also be a characteristic of a narcissist.

[@holoxfauxfecs5651]

Hi Dr. grande. Both me and my son who is eight years old listen to your channel and even my son said: "Wow, he sounds really smart!" We love your channel and appreciate your humor. Please keep up the great work!

[@JustDr.S]

@@nicolajane7389 Oh, I just noticed the child was 8. I guess it depends on the child, and the subject of the video.

[@gigi9301]

@@nicolajane7389 Have you ever seen the video games kids play, or advertisements on regular TV??

[@johnmurdoch3083]

Lmao

[@amazingdollart4676]

Eight year old? 👁️👄👁️

[@gigi9301]

@@amazingdollart4676 It would be Great for Critical Thinking, yet subject matter...questionable for an eight year old; on the other hand, regular TV is full of vulgar content half food ads/ half lose`weight-quick ads. Political Garbage as well. I would actually rather have my eight year old kid watch Dr Grande than regular TV.

[@sarahbartlett9976]

I laughed when he said "...Traveled off of the cliff". I think I may need to analyze the mental health and personality factors that make me think that was funny..

[@angelahamon6730]

I was about to time stamp that remark. don't you love Dr Grande's understatement

[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

@Sarah Bartlett - We need to speculate about what COULD be happening with a sense of humor like yours ☺

[@sarahbartlett9976]

@@angelahamon6730 he is a treasure!

[@sarahbartlett9976]

@@anonymousstrangeness7348 so good!

[@alimar0604]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🇬🇧

[@Norahungary]

I can't believe you made a video about this case. :) I've been kind of obsessed with it for years wanting to know more about Henthorn's personality.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Dr. Grande just uploaded a fantastic video on Patreon where he talks about his values, belief in God, and political affiliation. That video is truly excellent, very profound and genuine. The reason why I am sharing this with the community is because I read many comments and I see a lot of curiosity about Dr. Grande’s belief system and political affiliation. Well, in that video he explains everything in detail. Thank you for reading, stay well. ❤️

[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

Thank you for sharing this. ☺

[@OrggsOrggs]

Pass.

[@2006glg]

Thanks, but no thanks. Sometimes mystery is appealing and fosters an openness that gets closed with knowing more about one's teachers. When I say teachers, all of us are teachers at times and Dr. Grande is a teacher of sorts. Not knowing means someone may learn from a teacher in spite of the fact that their own belief systems may vary from the teacher's beliefs. Not knowing those aspects , imo, makes the learning environment more pure and makes one less susceptible to confirmation bias, amongst other biases. Nowadays, it's rare to not know everything about ppl and their belief camps. Frankly, I'm over it. Objectivity can include not knowing for sure, and that objectivity increases my joy in listening to him - because he does not wear his affiliations on his sleeve (aside from his unusual knowledge about firearms, which only tells me he might be a gun hobbyist and that's okay if he is). Overall, he seems to approach everything as fairly has he can without advertising his belief systems. I think we should all be more like that whenever we we can. At the end of the day, that's what humanism is really about at it's core - relating to each other, irrespective of the groups others may lump us into. If I advertised my beliefs ppl would make presumptions about me, and probably about half of those presumptions would be completely incorrect. I don't want to do that , even subconsciously, to Dr. Grande.

[@icturner23]

If he believes in God, that is appalling.

[@douae5857]

@@icturner23 nothing wrong with believing in a higher entity. Life after all is meaningless if you think about it and science cannot explain everything including 'why are we here'. Some people struggle with that question and believing in a god/deity or whatever can help with that. That's how I see it at least, after struggling with that myself.

[@tomaskuli177]

What a creep he was. They nailed him finally. They featured him on Investigate ID. So sad when you see the wedding videos and the parents making speeches and basically handing their children over to a sociopath.

[@wigglebolt4079]

I’ve watched ALL of Dr Grande’s videos and if we all had a dollar for every time it came out that “the police didn’t thoroughly investigate” we’d be able to afford A LOT of cacti 🌵

[@pennsydude9723]

Harold is a serial killer in the making.....To say the least had he gotten away with the second murder he definitely would have done it again. A very different kind of a serial killer but a serial killer nonetheless.

[@ouiouibien_1979]

Agree! This guy wouldnt stop..

[@gremlinjerky8462]

I completely agree. He was a total monster... I’m heartbroken for these women living with such a man, not know he will end up murdering them.. like it was just a plot for him to get rich... what a disgusting man.

[@mgal6234]

Serial killers kill for the pleasure of killing, and this guy did it for financial gain. I believe there’s a difference but not completely sure.

[@gigi9301]

@@mgal6234 Yes, usually serial killers are able to get away with so many murders because they are not connected/known by the victims. They usually do not kill for financial gain, but this guy...Pretty arrogant to think that no one would catch on!

[@BeckBeckGo]

I’m not sure he’s criminally competent enough to make it to serial status before getting caught, even if he’d gotten away with it the second time.

[@gloriaelmore9092]

Enjoyed your narrative start to finish; spot on!!! ...and events like this is why I remain single.

[@CoffeeLover-mz7bk]

I am single too! Maybe we are related. 🤣

[@darlenelawson1255]

Yes, he had to be a narcissist. Maybe he even killed other people that we know nothing about. Perhaps he was a sociopath. I always think that things may have started even earlier. Thank-you for this presentation. It's hard to believe women would not be suspicious of large life insurance. Perhaps he is from another planet.❤️🇨🇦

[@Wildflower95694]

Shouldn’t life insurance be banned after all the times it has been a motive for murder?

[@delilahhart4398]

I think he was a sociopath or psychopath. He had various hallmarks, such as superficial charm and an evident lack of conscience.

[@valleygirl2530]

NARCOPATH. Stay Far Away from people like this creep, ladies.

[@gigi9301]

@@Wildflower95694 Insurance companies make a ton of money, even though they actually do have to pay up once in a while...usually, people pay far more in premiums than they ever get out of a policy. My cousin is an Actuary...believe me, the insurance companies have it all figured out.

[@amazingdollart4676]

What would he gain from it tho? With his wives he at least had the vision of getting money / meeting potential wife #3

[@KateEleanor]

Am not feeling particularly intellectual today so just want to reply with "evil bastard" . Sympathy as always with the families of the victims. ❤

[@thereal4113]

Correction: TONY AND LYNN WERE SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY.

[@maureeningleston1501]

100% SPOT ON.

[@frostedsleet3124]

I went out with Harold who I met on a phone dating service. This was 2 years after the death of his 1st wife. He told me she died in a head on car crash. I had dinner at his home in Littleton Co. Lynn’s photos were everywhere. He kept a portable small toothbrush in his pocket, drank a case of Pepsi or more a day, knew info about my ex husband’s finances, asked me what would I do if his wife was still alive and living in UT, freaked if I didn’t pick up things he wanted. The final for me was when he drove up a mountain after our dinner, stopped the car & said…Just think…I could kill you & chop you up and no one would find you until spring. I was in shock. He laughed & said…just kidding. I researched to find death certificate of first wife & found coroner’s name. Called him…& everything changed. I called it off and he came pounding on my door middle of night. I called police and even had private investigators help me. He backed off but I found out the whole time he was dating many women at the same time. Then I saw years later he killed his 2nd wife. I have never dated since. Breaks my heart for Toni & her daughter.

[@dila4834]

You dodged a bullet.

[@carolrado5730]

Wow, what a story of a near miss u have to tell, and a warning of the adage, "What is said in jest is meant in the heart" with what he threatened to do. Perhaps a pepsie a day causes brain damage. How sad you are so traumatized you may miss out on a real nice companion/husband. Pray about it, but it might not be the worst thing either.

[@ccmyplaymate]

wozwers! what a lucky escape you had. These 'men' are atrocious, aren't they? Ive not dated for years either, I see cases like this all the time and can spot red flags from space.

[@kukusenka]

What the hell

[@see-rious-ley]

You dodged a car coming down on you, and a fatal hike. If he’d not been caught, the 3rd wife would have met a demise of a different MO, I’m sure.

[@emilyhollis4231]

I don't normally jump right in like this but...this dude is guilty. I've heard his story time and time again and each time I'm more convinced...💯 guilty!!

[@stanford2590]

I'm only speculating..... That maybe I'm addicted to my favorite channel. .. Can Dr. G please analyze my mental health on this one.. 😂🙏🤓💭🧠

[@witchflowers6942]

my great great great great great grandma's first husband died like this - wagon fell on him(they were pioneers on the oregon trail).. She took a horse and went back over the mountain to get help. It took two weeks round trip. she married the dude who helped her and he's my great x5 grandad, and did not mysteriously die, so i'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

[@pyewacketpeggy8329]

The trip to Colorado was a surprise. They stayed at the Stanley Hotel. That’s the hotel from The Shining. SOB

[@dpeter95]

Poor Lynn Henthorn. She was crushed by the car, took a lug nut to the chest, had the helicopter decompress, was abducted by aliens, and then got cancer. How could it all happen to one person.

[@amazingdollart4676]

😔

[@user-ox5lj3pq5r]

A series of unfortunate events...

[@carrie8083]

I’m loving the longer videos, Dr. Grande! Thank you!

[@alimar0604]

I can't believe this man got away with the murder of his first wife, never mind the murder of his second wife! But I love to watch Dr Grande in his teal blue shirt and listen to his soothing voice 😌 🇬🇧

[@annakatebertolet2703]

hes in solitary and is currently insane so i mean. that was the outcome we were hoping for when we asked for life in prison instead of death.

[@jackiegrice714]

Yep. Going out to get another cat.

[@jenniferlane9000]

They are better than people

[@jackiegrice714]

@@jenniferlane9000 Ain’t that the truth

[@joemtari]

I have an extra if you want one she’s 3 1/2 months and I call her cookie

[@meggarstang6761]

I have 2 and I'll never go back to a human! Cats make wonderful roomies!

[@eagleeyecherrypie9947]

I’m allergic, otherwise I’d have a couple myself.

[@samtheglamurai]

I know I probably sound like a 5 year old right now, but whenever you say "Hello this is Dr. Todd Grande" I say "HI!!!!!" back as if you can hear me LOL 😂 Love your videos! I work in criminal justice, so your opinions on all of these different situations are very insightful and interesting. I have to use the OCEAN model every day, so I especially appreciate your application of it in your videos. You are also so sensitive to all topics, which others (*cough* Dr. Phil *cough*) generally aren't. Thanks for all you do! Also.... Hi!!!!! 😂

[@trippymchippy8586]

I like to play a game where I attempt to predict the timestamp when Dr. Grande uses the word 'ostensibly' :)

[@Somegirl811]

Ha I noticed that too. His favorite word. I guess saying allegedly every 30 seconds would get annoying, though. Lol

[@PetroicaRodinogaster264]

Lol🤣😅

[@KateEleanor]

Lol

[@EgaoKage]

Seriously!? X marks the spot!? And he claimed he was reading text messages when she fell, but after she fell he had to travel a distance to get back to cell service? Scooby-Doo featured more cunning and subtle villains.

[@julievorensky8250]

Why isn't it illegal to take out insurance policies on people w/o their knowledge? Sheesh.

[@maureeningleston1501]

Great point.

[@sherunswithscissors]

I think that has changed.

[@Gallop4Me]

Not 100% sure on this, but I think the other party has to sign the policy documents. At least, when I wanted to take out a policy on my ex, his signature was required.

[@lld752]

@@Gallop4Me Ways to get around that. If it doesn't have to be signed in front of the insurancing agent, then signature can be forged, or you can have someone pretend to be your spouse, if the document is required to be signed in front of a notary public. What needs to happen is that no one can take life insurance out for you, with the exception for minor children, and perhaps for someone who is mentally incapable of signing for themselves. Otherwise, it seems to me, that phrase life insurance needs changed to death assurance.

[@azaleasmart6455]

Thank you for this very interesting video. I am interested and puzzled by people that are continuously lie. I once befriended a person that seemed to be a compulsive liar. This person even lied regarding his mother's first name and lied when he said he was broke down in his car but he was actually at home. He described what he had done at work each day but eventually I found out, he didn't have a job. Needless to say, I was not able to stay friend with this person.

[@deborahprosper751]

I don't know how they do it. How do they remember it all the lies and who they've told what? I'd find it too exhausting!

[@autumnedwards4448]

I absolutely love when you break down a true crime case!😍 Your analysis is always the best! I love ending my evenings with Dr Grande!💜💜

[@oldcollegecoed]

Am I the only one who jumps into Google the second Dr. Grande’s videos end to research the topic/ individual he discussed. I’ve spent more time researching since discovering this channel than I did for my MA!

[@pauliedoodles]

me too!

[@christinley5213]

Heathy boundaries!!!!!... louder for the poeple in the back!!!!!!! This is the most important thing I learned from you!:) thank you!

[@Latoree33]

He reminded me he was more of a narcissist. They don't remember most of the time what they say even bringing it to their attention.

[@zappawench6048]

I found with my ex-husband (whom I believe to have Narcissistic Personality Disorder) that when his self-image was in conflict with the facts, it was always facts which had to give way. For example, with Henthorn, if he was caught in a lie, he might have thought of himself as far too wonderful a person to be classed as a liar, therefore he would likely insist that his most recent version of events was the truth.

[@Latoree33]

@@zappawench6048 you're absolutely right I dealt with an ex husband too that was a narcissist. He couldn't wait to get to #3 wife. She was going to help him pay for the debt we had which he blamed me .

[@joan-lisa-smith]

They rarely forget from what I have read and experienced, they often play obtuse as a way of gaslighting others and avoidance. They don't have to own up to things they claim to have no memory of doing or saying. It's also a way to underhandedly plant the thought in your mind that it's your memory that is wrong or they imply you're nuts. They remember, they want you to start to doubt your own knowledge and experience to undermine you.

[@Latoree33]

@@joan-lisa-smith yes I know I have was raised by one. Back in the 50's no one ever heard of a narcissist. Mental health wasn't addressed. Most people become happy when they drank..

[@joan-lisa-smith]

@@Latoree33 Ok sorry, I read your comment as meaning you thought they literally don't remember what they say most of the time but you mean they...."don't remember" ;)

[@neilj8224]

Won't have time to watch this until tomorrow. I did a cacti roll call though. Pheww. That Dr. dude is there too. All is good.

[@maureeningleston1501]

So glad you're doing this one Dr Grande, you just made my Sunday evening much better.

[@mouselovinlady]

Reminds me of the case of Helen Bailey, a British author killed by a partner who had almost certainly got away with the murder of his wife.

[@francescawilliams8177]

He would have if he didn’t try to sell off her things and go on Holiday while Helen was still missing . Probably might have killed his ex too because he was convicted of it

[@DavidCurryFilms]

Poor lady had to suffer the loss of her first husband in a swimming accident on holiday, then meet that monster who was to take her life :(

[@candiceyoung8244]

This sounds extremely suspicious. What an awful way to go,being crushed,so sad.This guy was a total killer absolutely .Thank you as always for the video. I'm enjoying all the beautiful blooms on the plants,really pretty 🌴🌺🌸🏵

[@dazedhavoc]

We love u Dr. Grande

[@JustAGalOnTheGo]

I think that he hit them both with something heavy first. I don’t believe that his first wife would have voluntarily climbed under the car. Then with Toni, he likely again went with what he knew and hit her first then threw her over the edge. I doubt she would have gone close enough to the edge after her surgeries to be pushed over. Both bodies would have had major trauma so it would be hard to tell the difference and then he had them cremated quickly. His narcissism made him think that he would get away with it and I think that the changing story of his wife’s death was a way to distance himself from what he knows he did.

[@KruezFam]

Gosh, and I get upset at my husband when he doesn't put his dirty clothes in the hamper. Then there's that guy. Yikes.

[@Ali-kb8gr]

Now THAT is a nice shirt color! That's probably my favorite to date. Thank you for your hard work Dr Grande ❤

[@kevinhornbuckle]

Very good analysis to use attachment to interrogate boundary violations. Dropping a beam on a person's neck certainly counts as a boundary violation. I wonder if his second wife ever even considered that he may have intentionally hurt her. If she had been knocked out, he probably would have smashed her head with something, as originally planned.

[@alexanderordinary2110]

"marked the spot on the map with an "X"??!" LOLOL What next did he wear a T-shirt that read " I killed 2 wives and got away with it??

[@Schiffon]

No, they were still at the silk-screener at the time.

[@katyr2382]

Rounding off my weekend with some Dr Grande analysis, perfect

[@jermed2001]

A random, but longshot request for Dr. Grande: would you consider doing a joint video or maybe consider joining or having Dr. Kirk Honda (Psychology In Seattle) as a guest for your podcast? Although your channel subjects are different as you cover crime/mental health stories and he covers pop culture TV shows, movies, documentaries, not to mention you two are seemingly very different people and have very differing styles, BUT I would SO LOVE if my favorite two psychologists on KZbin did something together! 😊😊

[@jeanandersen6472]

Husband was pinned to pavement by the frame of a diesel MBZ. when Jack stands slipped. Thank God he was ok. He hasn’t fallen over a cliff though. Yet. ;)

[@sallind1]

in the beginning it is known as "love bombing".....this is an excellent video...love your presentations!

[@elainearchibald9020]

Wow! Thanks Dr. Grande for your analysis! Sounds like Henthorn got away with the first and figured he was quite smart so continued on! Karma has to visit him one day!! TFS :)

[@shawnmorymcmillion]

No matter how depressed and down I might feel, a small binge watching session with Dr. Grande reminds me that my life could have been wore! Perhaps it’s weird, but it works! This guy was a monster! Thanks Dr. Grande!

[@DomDollx]

Dr. G teaching life lessons parents might not have the degree to explain but warns their kids about certain types of people. I'm glad you do the psychoanalysis at the end, it shows so much about behavior. This monster had a child and ended two different women's lives just bc he chose to. It's mind-boggling.

[@pepelemoko01]

To lose one wife is a misfortune to lose two looks like carelessness.

[@davinasquirrel7672]

“You can hardly imagine that I and Lord Bracknell would dream of allowing our only daughter - a girl brought up with the utmost care - to marry into a cloak-room, and form an alliance with a parcel?” You have to just love Lady Bracknell. A shame that most will have overlooked your re-worked quote.

[@shawnmorymcmillion]

I fall asleep every night listening to Forensic Files. The husband did it! Sheesh! Love Dr. Grande’s analysis!

[@Johnbartheart]

“I want my most recent wife cremated immediately and where’s my life insurance check?!..”

[@wendyknoxleet]

Life insurance , big red flag

[@goldengirl1047]

it’s so scary human beings live amongst us like this. What a cold blooded psychopath.Can you believe kicking a jack out and watch someone die like that

[@AnimalsMatterMorally]

Wow, did Henthorn get away with a lot before he was finally arrested and convicted! A classy and thoughtful presentation and explanation of this case, thank you Dr. Grande.

[@helpyourcattodrive]

He lucked out the first time, and became greedy.

[@joan-lisa-smith]

Hey Dr Grande, would love to see you do the "affluenza" brat Ethan Couch who killed 4 and injured 9 (two are permanently disabled) with his car. PLEASE include your thoughts on him, his parents, as well as the insane defence and sentence. :)

[@brianpratt3224]

He really should have said that Alien Lizard people did it.

[@Ron4885]

Right! It's always my first approach as well. :)

[@RoseRoseRoseRoseRoseRose]

Watching Dr. Grande before sleeping is like reading a great analysis book of Sigmund Freud. Love it! 💟

[@stanford2590]

Absolutely! 😇

[@AndriaBieberDesigns]

This reminds me of other cases on unsolved mysteries about men killing their wives... so sad. Reminds me of drew Peterson

[@jeannesnow4366]

Shanan Watts (2018. Colorado) husband killed wife and 2 children.

[@sourgummiescureyourpain4555]

Wonderful point regarding small boundary violations indicating a bigger issue. I always approach small issues or incidents by asking what that action indicates about that person's moral compass. For example, if someone lies about a small thing to make themselves look better or to evade responsibility for a mistake, I will assume that they'd do the same when there are higher stakes.

[@RGSCOTT]

This is why early re-tire-ment is a killer.

[@minasokhangoo7120]

Lol 😂

[@cg-ny9078]

You're so wrong. Hilarious, but wrong 🤣

[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

I saw what you did there 😁

[@elainearchibald9020]

Lol good one!

[@static-tf2ji]

Yeah, I figured he just got TIREd of his first wife. As for the second wife, if you don't want to remain married then you can always tell them to take a hike.

[@user-cs1un6sp1wRennata]

Excellent job👍Thank you Dr. Grande.

[@christ3187]

Very informative Sunday video. Thanks Dr. Grande.

[@catmother4214]

Thank you for posting as always. I had not heard of this case. 🌹🌹🌹

[@jeanandersen6472]

(waves at blooming cacti) Thank you, Dr. Grande. Always makes my day!

[@QCDoggies]

Excellent coverage of this monster, the one thing you didn't mention was that during his marriage to Toni, he pretended to have an important job fundraising for nonprofits, and would even get dressed and leave the house to go to his non-existent office. Dr. Grande, do you think it's possible that Henthorn could be one if those rare Dark Triad individuals?

[@cottontails9003]

Good afternoon Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis as always. Thank you Dr Grande, you are the best.

[@TM-tx9ct]

Put the police in a very poor light, especially for the first wife. Also strange that the insurance company didn't get suspicious, they are notoriously slow to pay out, but not in this case.

[@kristinawalther4064]

Love the dark colors on you Dr. Another great insight and analysis!

[@GoGreen1977]

As a single, professional woman, I can't imagine not keeping track of my finances and those of my husband's, especially when running a household, planning for our retirement and caring for our child. Didn't Toni have to sign a joint tax return? Or did she only do her own? And didn't she wonder why they had to ask her parents for money when supposedly you and your husband are successful professionals (so I heard on another version of this tragedy)? Toni was a doctor, but her common sense seems to have gone out the window. If I were Toni, I'd wonder why he and I were never invited to any charity fund-raisers since her husband said his work was all about helping organizations raise funds through various functions. I would assume that those organizations would invite the guy responsible for putting those functions together, but since he wasn't working, at all, those functions didn't exist. All I can figure out is that she didn't want to admit any suspicions to herself and/or, as a faithful Christian, she'd stick it out, no matter what. Too bad sense and reality didn't overcome her faith.

[@dresdners54]

These boundary violations happened to my daughter. Mike, was living in a horrible house and after checking his background, he appeared okay so we gave him the master bedroom with his own bathroom. He appeared nice, but not only did he never pay rent, but after he left because he didn't like rules, I found out he abused my daughter who was 27, but more like a 12 yo. He stole money from me and convinced me he had no money even though he worked and received SSI for reasons that make no sense. He even got a much better job making more $, but used my generosity to get more and more money from me for groceries, gas, dinners, bowling, and more. He was crafty and manipulative as well as physically and emotionally hurting her everyday. She hid it, but asked me after he left if she was a sinner! I knew something was wrong! Her women's group contacted police after her therapist told her she should just move on even though she is a mandatory reporter!! On Tuesday we have been called to the grand jury for testimony for this case. My daughter's emotional life has been destroyed. She is petrified to go, but determined to obtain justice!!

[@andreluislimaa]

last time i was this early for a Dr. Grande's video, Trysha Peytas still had only one personality.

[@angelahamon6730]

HAHAHA Thanks for the laugh

[@Tocinos]

@@mursalr.2335 she's obsessed with Dr drew and that guy is a fraud