Tom Brady is NOT THE GOAT

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[@O.J.S.]

Dude, this is an absolute masterpiece! There is NO WAY that this video should have so few views and likes because this is STONE COLD TRUTH!!! Kudos, sir!

[@marckellough529]

The fact is he's trying to make us overlook the stone cold truth which is BRADY HAS 7 SUPERBOWL RINGS!!!!!! The most unbreakable record in sports history!!!!

[@O.J.S.]

@@marckellough529 You''re right. No one else will get that much help again. 🤣😂

[@327Jhigh]

Because it’s sitting in the trash where it belongs….

[@thetannernation]

@@O.J.S.I appreciate it!! Brady such a phony

[@thetannernation]

@@marckellough529Horry HAS 7 NBA FINALS RINGS!!!! … so what?

[@viperrcm1224]

YOU TOOK EVERY WORD RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH. YOU ARE MY FAVORITE HUMAN BEING EVER.

[@octavioaraujo1674]

A few things: 1st Brady is not the GOAT, he has never blown out any team, unlike Montana. 2nd. Everybody saw Brady's arm deteriorate in the 2012 and 2013, but get fine in 2015. Drug use. And I have asked 3 doctors about it. They all say: "he's juicing on something." 3. He understood the importance of a great defense. 2018 Superbowl ring a bell? 4. When Payton went to the Broncos, Manning dominated Brady every single time. And Manning was the first QB to win Superbowls with different teams before Brady. I understand why Bill Belichick wanted to trade Brady and start Jimmy G at the time, and understand why, he was using the old "Bill Walsh Rules" "Trade them in their prime!" 5. Montana will always be the GOAT because he destroyed his rivals in Championship games and Superbowls, and the rules allowed the Defense to commit aggravated assault on the QBs in Montana's days, sincerely. Don't believe me, watch old film on guys like Lawrence Taylor, Charles Mann, Dexter Manning, Bruce Smith, Reggie White, and Wilber Marshall.

[@thetannernation]

All I see here is 5 facts. Well said sir🙏🏻

[@minerthreat8921]

Never blew out a team? They were accused of "Running up the score" on a weekly basis in 2007. 59 - 0 in 2009 vs. Titans. Your hate is clouding your brain.

[@octavioaraujo1674]

@@minerthreat8921 they lost that superbowl in 2007.

[@babel-fishai]

In terms of championships volume supercedes efficiency. Anyone who thinks different is a failure and probably would benefit in going back to grade school to learn how to count. lol

[@thetannernation]

22:32 buddy. Already addressed your kind

[@Watsupyoutube]

Ummm ...superbowl are everythings and the QB is your most important player. The patriot system isn't going that well so that argument is destroyed, in fact they are atrocious. Goes to a new team at 42, no pre season and wins a superbowl from a wildcard. Must have been the Bucs " system". You sir are one deluded person.🏈🏈🏈🏈🏈🏈🏈🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅⭐

[@willrundle2]

The patriots are a different team. Why do you think Brady left? Cuz the team wasn’t good enough to carry him anymore

[@marckellough529]

It's funny how you can play dumb and pretend like you don't remember all the dinking and dunking that Montana was doing. In fact that's what the West Coast offense was all about but you wanna pretend like you don't remember that and besides that he only played in 4 Superbowls

[@thetannernation]

I literally addressed every single one of those points in this video

[@bryanjones4444]

Nice video and all of it is correct. I like the REAL GOAT scoring system which compares how much better a quarterback is than the average quarterback of their era. The most important category in that system is longevity and still if you take out the team categories and just count his personal stats he ranks in the mid teens in the GOAT rankings. Rodgers ranks somewhere between 5 and 7 depending on how much his score changes during the 2022 season. When you use the REAL GOAT system which compares a quarterback against the average quarterback of his era and is the most comprehensive analysis of a quarterback's career ever created, the top 7 GOATs are Brady #6 or 7, Y. A. Tittle #5 or 6, Johnny Unitas #4, Drew Brees #3, Peyton Manning #2 and the REAL GOAT is Fran Tarkenton.

[@thetannernation]

That’s very interesting. I could very easily see some metrics pointing toward Tarkenton. What’s the name of this “real goat scoring system”? Like, is it a stat or a metric?

[@bryanjones4444]

It has 16 different categories and most are first compared to the average quarterback of that era. You find out how far above average each of the quarterbacks are by percentage and then set up a sliding scale from top to bottom in each category. The points awarded in each category are determined by the importance of that statistic. All of the normal things are taken into consideration like touchdowns, yards, quarterback rating, interceptions etc. but also categories like the percentage of the offense carried by the quarterback, propensity to fumble, strength of schedule, time of possession and 4th quarter comebacks. Then a longevity multiplier is calculated and you come up with a final score. The average quarterback from any era scores 258.5. The 34 quarterbacks that have been analyzed include all the Hall of Famers that started a career after 1947 and all the recent retirees that have a shot at the Hall plus some active stars that have a shot. The scores of those players range from 237.8 to Tarkenton at 716.7. For my money you need a score of 400 to be a legit Hall of Famer. @@thetannernation

[@marckellough529]

And by the way stats are for losers like Aaron Rodgers

[@marckellough529]

The real goat system is just some made up trash that's supposed to make us forget about Bradys 7 Superbowl rings. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!

[@bryanjones4444]

News flash football is a team sport.Brady had 17 top 10 defenses in his career which were far more responsible for the championships than he was. That is more than twice as many top 10 defenses than any other quarterback in history.@@marckellough529

[@327Jhigh]

Amaaaaaazzzzinnng how the “Belichick system” only seems to work for Tom Brady. Didn’t work for Bernie Kosar, Drew Bledsoe, Matt Cassel, Cam Newton or Mac Jones. LMAOOOO this video is so poorly thought out it’s embarrassing. I hope it stays in the trash right where it belongs 2:00

[@thetannernation]

Bro, it did work for Cassel. I showed that in the vid. It also worked in 2016. They went 3-1 without Brady

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@thetannernation No superbowl though, the team has had 0 success after Brady left, then he goes to Tampa and they all of a sudden have a superbowl

[@thetannernation]

@@gangstagummybear3432Brady didn’t win the Super Bowl either in half of his seasons. So what?

[@marckellough529]

Brady was Superbowl MVP 5 times and the most important player on the Patriots team.So how in the hell can you compare his accomplishments to Horry who was nothing but a role player coming off the bench??

[@gangstagummybear3432]

Exactly

[@corbinhansen4183]

Tom Brady also has the records the consistency, the longevity, less interceptions than Manning. What are you talking about?? Peyton two hall of fame recievers for alot of his career and only produced one ring. Most Superbowl winning teams have top ten top 5 defenses. All joe Montanas teams had a top 7 defense when they won the Superbowl. And where is that system now that bradys gone???? I'll wait Cause Bill isn't winning another Superbowl as a head coach. Will baker Mayfield take the bucs to the superbowl??? No cause hes not Tom Brady. Tom Brady was the constant. They needed his leadership, his accountability, his clutchness, his smart decision making, His intangibles. New England dynasty only happens with Tom Brady. Bucs Superbowl only happen wirh Tom Brady.

[@macgoldie7771]

Tom Brady could never be the 🐐 of a game dominated by Black MEN

[@joeolsen3553]

Love this crazy amount of information. Great Job! AA++ Thank you! Love the stats, love the facts.

[@marckellough529]

Stats are for losers. RINGS are for winners!!

[@thetannernation]

@@marckellough52922:32

[@327Jhigh]

LMAOOOO. Yes, Matt Cassel thrived so much that he missed the playoffs in the “Belichick system.” How come you clowns always point to the ONE season that Belichick won 10+ games without Tom Brady? Where are the Mac Jones seasons? The Cam Newton season? LMAOOOO. Oh the system picks and chooses when it wants to work huh? 3:49

[@thetannernation]

I appreciate the extra comment bro!!

[@327Jhigh]

Now it’s the “weak division” argument 🥱 like Brady wasn’t beating 98% of the league in his 20 year tenure lmaooo 2:32

[@thetannernation]

Yk I made more than just one argument right?🤣

[@327Jhigh]

@@thetannernation horrible ones at that 😭

[@thetannernation]

@@327Jhigh I don’t see you or any other Brady bunch refuting me lol

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@thetannernation You just dont see then

[@AidanHolland]

Tom Brady is essentially the John elway of his era except with far more success. The most naturally talented QB ever is Marino. Best SB QB is Montana/Bradshaw. Best regular season QB is Peyton Manning. Tom is the most accomplished in terms of rings. The reason why I chose elway as a comparison is he changed the culture of the Broncos similar to what Brady did in NE. For what's it's worth I think without Brady the pats would have no rings today.

[@marckellough529]

I'm so sick that tired of hearing about that loser Dan Marino. Don't tell me nothing about a quarterback that never came close to getting a ring being the best ever. You gotta be kidding!!!

[@thetannernation]

@@marckellough52922:32 I’m talking to you here buddy

[@pnut3844able]

Even Montana says Marino is the GOAT

[@Stephen-to7jx]

I guess you're of the belief that his teams could have won at that consistency with any quarterback. I doubt it.

[@willrundle2]

2008

[@Stephen-to7jx]

@@willrundle2 I understand. But they missed the playoffs and they had a 5 win drop from the previous season which basically had the same team, but Cassell instead of Brady. And most of the teams they beat had losing records and the point differential the year before was off the charts where in 2008 it was so-so.

[@willrundle2]

@@Stephen-to7jx they’re one of the few teams in nfl history to win 11 games and not make the playoffs

[@thetannernation]

@@Stephen-to7jxyes

[@seadubbya9209]

Great video. What you didn't mention is, Robert Horry, is not being called the greatest player of all time, he's not even in the conversation. The only reason he would be a hall-of-famer is because of those rings and clutch shots, most of which you played. I will give Brady credit in the fact he is a great leader. IMO that does mean a lot in football or any team sport. But as your video shows, any average competent QB, who could instill leadership and confidence, could have lead most of those Patriots' teams to SBs. An elite QB, such as Peyton Manning who Brady is called better than by many, probably could have won more. I usually shut down the Brady argument (more rings) the same way you did, - "so you're telling me, Eli Manning is better than . . . " (fill in the blank). Or if they say "Brady is 11-6 (or whatever) head to head with Peyton, so Brady is better". I answer "So you admit Eli is better than Brady because he's 2-0 vs Brady in Super Bowls." The team(!!) that should have won those matchups won with one exception . . . . the last one, where they Patriots were probably a better team than the Broncos, but the Broncos won. Their argument is defeated and most know it. Although there's always this one guy. LOL

[@AidanHolland]

To be fair bill Russell has 11 but I know what you are saying.

[@thetannernation]

I completely agree, thanks for the extra insight!!

[@jessewallace666]

These are arguments that I’ve heard, but you definitely missed the mark on elite talent when it came to the patriots offense throughout his tenure. Yes, you had a Randy Moss and Gronk but the vast majority of his weapons were not superstars.

[@thetannernation]

It was mostly his defense that carried him. But don’t forget about Edelman. Super Bowl MVP

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@thetannernation Or maybe that he kept the defense off the field so long, that their accomplishments are overrated on paper, making them look much better than they actually were.

[@joeolsen3553]

Thank you. I get in so many arguments with lazy people. It's nice to hear from other people. Brady was very overrated.

[@327Jhigh]

LMAOOOO

[@thetannernation]

Ring count merchants man. These kids just don’t know ball

[@marckellough529]

By the way how has Belichick's so called system been working for him since Brady left?? He just got fired for being a pathetic coach without Brady.So what's your excuse now?? It seems like you never run out of them

[@thetannernation]

I talked about how the system had 4 parts, and today 3 of those parts are gone. Seriously, every argument you guys make, I’ve already responded to in this video 😂

[@marckellough529]

​@@thetannernationThis is one example of how bias and totally ridiculous your opinion is tell me how in the hell can a team that hasn't even been to the playoffs in 13 years all of a sudden be a Super team?? That is a complete joke!!The only reason you're telling that ridiculous lie is to discredit Brady.You seem to talk about everything but the 7 Superbowl rings. I repeat the quote from the great Vince Lombardi WINNING ISN'T EVERYTHING WINNING IS THE ONLY THING!!

[@thetannernation]

@@marckellough529 they had Godwin and Evans. 2 stare WRs. On top of that, Brady went there and he brought Gronk and Brown and Fournette w him🤣 fym “how” ?

[@marckellough529]

@@thetannernation How can you mention that when Montana had Jerry Rice and John Taylor.Manning had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Bradshaw had Lynn Swann and John Stallworth. Marino had Mark Clayton and Mark Duper.So what's the big deal.?? And Godwin was just a possession receiver with not that much speed. You still haven't explained how a team in any sport could be a Super team without making the playoffs for 13 years in a row. You know that's a ridiculous statement

[@marckellough529]

And by the way Fournette was a good but not great back

[@tttyn2237]

Lol hahaha Your wife cheated on you with Tom Brady didn’t she. Now you are raising Tom Brady’s kid. It have to be.

[@bananaman5668]

Sorry dude you were never a true Brady fan if you went by rings. Only casual fans say that. Kinda like casuals all eventually come to the same conclusion as you by diving “deeper” aka going from spending 0.1 seconds of thought to 0.2 seconds of thought on the matter and just blindly accept all the main stream sports media narratives as truth.

[@jonathanmartin8113]

Tom Brady is barely an athlete... stop it! I do agree that Brady is definitely not the GOAT. No even close. The guy was the luckiest, most well surrounded QB in NFL history. Kudos to you for puting all the facts together and puting this to rest once and for all! I literally have been saying the same thing for his Brady's entire career! Brady should only have 3 SB rings if the games were called correctly. 2001 NBA playoffs : Kobe pulled a Lebron?... no no no... he pulled a MJ. Kobe knew he would be double teamed so that was a set play. Like MJ did with Kerr and Paxson.

[@desnutz901]

HES A CHEATER TOO

[@babel-fishai]

Tom Brady is the definite GOAT. He went to 10 SBs and won 7. Mahomes can never be the GOAT because he was beaten by the GOAT in the SB. Brady appeared in 10 and won 7. There is no denying that he is the GOAT. Joe was great he won 4 SBs in 6 years and is 4-0 in the SB. But....he only appeared in 4 SBs and not in 10 SBs and he has 3 less SB wins than Brady does so he is not the GOAT. Is he great? Sure he was....but he wasn't even the original GOAT. Terry Bradshaw went to 4 Super Bowls in 6 years and won them all. Bradshaw is 4-0 in the Super Bowl in 6 years exactly like Joe would do after him. So Montana is tied with Bradshaw and Bradshaw did it before Joe and in an era that was even more brutal than the one Joe was in. Bradshaw did it in a more brutal era when there were far less teams and that made it even tougher because you had to play the same teams all the time and it made it tougher to win. So Really, Brady because of the number of championships appeared in and the number one far exceeds the others. Then it would be a tie between Bradshaw and Montana with Bradshaw having the edge due to the reasons mentioned. Mahomes isn't even in the debate but if he ever is he would still be trumped by Brady because he lost an AFC championship to Brady and he lost a SB to Brady. So he can't ever be the GOAT because he got spanked by the GOAT and that SB he lost to the GOAT along with the AFC Championship he lost to the GOAT remove him from any type of GOAT status. Mahomes was neutered by the GOAT and therefore he can never be the GOAT. LOL

[@thetannernation]

I don’t accept the notion that ring counting is the only factor

[@babel-fishai]

Doesn't really matter what you think. What matters is that Brady went to 10 and has 7 and like they say. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. lol@@thetannernation

[@thetannernation]

@@babel-fishai okay? It doesn’t matter what you think. Having rings don’t mean shit when you’re a mediocre check down merchant

[@babel-fishai]

LOL Rings do the talking stats are what don't mean a thing. I mean look at Dak Prescott. Best stats during the season and looks very impressive but then gets beat by winning teams so you wonder why until you look at where those stats are coming from. It's easy to pile up yards and points and sacks and everything else against teams that are like 2-15 on the season lol gives you a false sense of superiority it gives your fans a false sense of how good you really are but then you play a good team and get blown out of the water at home lol That's no fluke that's because you suck in reality. So you can have all the nunbers and stats and whatever that you want but no one is going to remember that. That's why they don't remember Marino. What they do remember is the guy wearing 7 rings and has more than anyone else and did it with 2 different franchises and a revolving list of supporting players throughout the years. That means that you're the GOAT and to be quite frank. Anyone arguing against that at this point is an idiot. LOL@@thetannernation

[@babel-fishai]

Winning championships is what it's all about. That's why they play the season, that's why they have the playoffs. That's why they have the big SB spectacle. Winnin the championship is what it's all about and no one gives a damn about how little interceptions you threw or how many yards you passed for or how many sacks you got or how many yards you ran. No one gives a single, solitary @#$% about any of that and it doesn't matter at all, in any way, shape or form. It does not matter. In Baseball stats seem to matter, people put a lot of stock into it. In hockey they seem to matter because people put stock into it and even in basketball they seem to matter. But in football at the end of the day and really in any sport it is about winning the championship. That's the whol, entire point of it all. He who has the most rings is he who is the GOAT and you can like it or hate and you can say he isn't as good as so and so because so and so did something better but so and so doesn't have 7 championship rings so it doesn't matter what so and so did because so and so didn't show up when it counted. @@thetannernation

[@big_b7362]

Interesting analysis. Brady is a good QB. Lucky? Very. Overrated? Yes. Boring? You have no idea. However, he’s smart, and a good leader. Top 10 for sure. Definitely not the greatest. Not even top 5 in my humble opinion.

[@ajcastro8047]

I will say that Brady is the most accomplished QB. But not the GOAT. I'd rather go with 3M: Manning, Marino, and Montana, the last of which never put his team in an unfavorable position in any Super Bowl.

[@tttyn2237]

3M? I rather go with Cam newton.if Cam Newton play for SF, indy or Miami he would have 8 rings.

[@marckellough529]

Manning and Marino?? Please!! They both are nothing but stat padding losers especially overrated Marino whose entire career is judged on what he did his first 4 years

[@marckellough529]

How can you attempt to insult my intelligence actually mentioning a loser like Marino who never won nothing and all of his greatest is based on his first few years. Check out his stats for his last 13 years they were not all that great. Plus he didn't even play that good in the playoffs. So you're dreaming and not looking at the facts

[@georgestewart8414]

You sir, sound like a maga Republican, tare down the other guy so you can slot in your favorite. It takes a whole team to win but it takes a leader to get them down the field regardless of how you do it.