Tom McLeish - Critical Realism in Science and Theology

[@michaelboguski4743]

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[@markwrede8878]

Realism is a slippery evasion because ownership is not a physical property.

[@michaelboguski4743]

There's no "looking" at the Nuclear Fusion Reaction called Stars, and that's the Cosmos, no matter where it came from.

[@pauldorman]

Every interviewee that has appeared on this channel whose worldview is founded upon the a priori view that "God" exists comes across as absolutely bonkers to me. The mental contortions they put themselves through while trying rationalise the completely irrational are painfully confounding. I will never cease to be appalled by the fact that the vast majority of people in the world find it utterly impossible to conceive of a reality devoid of magic. I keep coming back in the vain hope that someone will point out that reality is just so much easier to comprehend if you take "God" out of it entirely, but instead each video is a visceral disappointment that bears an uncanny resemblance to a signature moment in a film that has become more and more prescient as time goes on... INT. WHITE HOUSE - CONFERENCE ROOM - DAY Joe meets with the CABINET MEMBERS. He looks frustrated, like this has been going on a while. JOE Once again, I'm pretty sure all that Rauncho stuff might be what's killing the plants. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE But Rauncho's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes. ATTORNEY GENERAL (thinking painfully hard) So wait a minute... You're saying you want us to put water on the crops? Water? Like out of the toilet? JOE It doesn't have to be from the toilet, but yes, that's the idea. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE Okay, but Rauncho's got what plants crave. ATTORNEY GENERAL It's got electrolytes. JOE Look, your plants aren't growing. So I'm pretty sure the Rauncho's not working. Now I'm no botanist, but I do know that if you put water on plants they grow. 14-YEAR-OLD Like from the toilet? JOE Look, you want to solve this problem, I want to get my pardon. So why don't we try it, and stop worrying about what "plants crave." ATTORNEY GENERAL (helpful) Rauncho's got what plants crave. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE Yeah, it's like the commercial says, "Plants work hard, and they need a drink that works hard." 14-YEAR-OLD Oh, and it's got electrolytes. Joe's about to lose it. JOE What are electrolytes? Does anyone even know?! ATTORNEY GENERAL They're what's in Rauncho. JOE But what are they? ATTORNEY GENERAL They're what they use to make Rauncho. JOE But why do they use them to make Rauncho? SECRETARY OF DEFENSE Cuz Rauncho's got electrolytes..

[@brothermine2292]

As an alternative to McLeish's program of "trying to look at Nature through God's loving eyes," why not simply look at Nature through our own loving eyes?

[@evaadam3635]

..you have a good point... Tom Mcleish is not trying to find GOD through Nature... He already found GOD before seeing Nature...

[@loneslombardi]

Has these humans have loving eyes? I find them doesn't do.

[@infinitygame18]

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[@TimBitts649]

One of our big problems today has to do with the depth of reality, how complex it is, how long it takes to know lots about anything.....and the limits of human intelligence. We are all like this. No matter how smart, or not. One of the things that has always been is, if you were really interested in something, you could lose yourself more and more in one topic, even very narrow topic, for the rest of your life. The internet jacks that up, on steroids. Laymen and scientists both face this problem. Perhaps it might be because, reality itself has infinite depth and breadth?...while humans do not? If this is true, it's unlikely that science can figure out, all of reality. The internet has made me more aware of this, because of the vast deluge of information available to me. It made me aware more now, how little I know, how complex things really are, even though at first glance if I think I understand them. Eventually I find out, I don't. I was missing pieces. I wasn't aware of much. Things have unanticipated consequences....or can only be understood, within an organic whole, which itself is being our grasp. Many things take decades to learn at a sufficiently high level, to speak with any deep understanding of something. We're all human, we focus on what interests us. Even the most clever of us cannot help but be ignorant of most things, simply because the limits to our interests, our intelligence, even our time available, is very limited. This segments deep learning. No one ends up being able to know how a match is made. Too many related parts to the process, no one has time to learn. We need more bridge builders. It's something you see in public all the time now. Everyone's nose is in their smartphones. They become focussed on only a few things that interest them. Then we all get into our echo chambers, as we self select for interacting with people who share our interests or agree with us in the first place. That's like blinders on a race horse. In short, we are all now, we are all Murray Gell-Man now....the friend of Einstein who was a brilliant scientist, but ignorant of many things. If this keeps up, we'll all eventually end up at the conclusion Newton came to: "I do not know what I appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself, in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me."

[@evaadam3635]

..our lost souls were not sent here to know GOD but TO BELIEVE or to have faith in the existence of a loving GOD for our salvation, because it was losing faith in GOD's Love that we fell from Heaven so only by regaining this faith that we all can return back HOME...

[@infinitygame18]

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[@infinitygame18]

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[@Maxwell-mv9rx]

When Guys see God in Nature he doesnt figure out absolutetly God evidence. Unpredictable consciousness keep out how figure out this reality about God Nature.

[@infinitygame18]

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[@infinitygame18]

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[@kallianpublico7517]

Faith as the “evidence of things not seen”, can be seen as internalized rules. Rules such as moral codes or grammar or math or games or sports. Is that the case however? Is faith a belief in certain beliefs like morality or language, or is faith simply the ground of belief? Children learn language by mimicry: memes. Then they go to school and learn to read and write, and for that they have to break language down into parts. They have to, now, memorize the alphabet and recognize things like nouns, verbs and subject-predicate agreement. What was once a matter of simple faith - mimicry, becomes a matter of unhinged faith - purpose. Instead of faith in others whom you can see and interact with, now you must place faith in yourself 😮. The sentences you compose must not just make sense to yourself though, it must also make sense to others. Why though? If you understand what you’ve written why should you care whether or not others understand? Wasn’t the whole point to have faith in yourself? To decouple yourself from being just a parrot? Is faith the beliefs we rely on? Is it not the reliance we believe in? When we use spoken language to communicate do we exhibit faith? Faith in what? Our ability to express ourselves, the ability of others to understand, language itself, the whole enterprise? Something else? Another assumption that has nothing at all to do with what we’re communicating or why? How many things we take for granted are ingrained in whatever we do? Left out not just by deliberateness but by negligence and ignorance. We can be paralyzed by fear and ignorance. Courage overcomes fear, but so does ignorance. What overcomes ignorance? Only experience. Faith is Hume’s “constant conjunction”. The opposite of faith is science’s “causation-necessary connection”.

[@evaadam3635]

How do you help your family survive, help your friends, help your neigbors, help the world, help show your love of GOD through caring others, by sign language ? ... are you living in the real world ? ..even chickens use its own language to teach their chicks to survive . ... my oh my...

[@JustAThought01]

Universal God: My thought: God is our explanation for the causation of reality. Since we do exist in our reality and God is our vision for the creation of reality, then God does exist. We just do not have knowledge of the nature of God. With that said: humans have differing opinions on God. That is a fact. But, that fact does not establish the truth about God. Our beliefs about God should serve to improve lives not cause conflict among humans. So we need to redirect religion to serve the best interest of both God and God's creation. Perhaps we should think about why reality exists. Does reality exist so that humans can try to dominate others or does reality exist so that humans can work together to make our lives better for all humans?

[@peweegangloku6428]

Not only natural theology says look at nature and see God. The Bible itself says it. Romans 1:20 says, "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable."

[@MrSanford65]

Language is a false way of communicating existential truth, and assuming the universe is smarter than we are , it must communicate to us in a form of pictures and subjective feelings to be processed by us without any reference to a beginning and an ending . And that will be the focal point of that, which is everything

[@evaadam3635]

... our power to choose language to communicate is necessary in helping achieve our love and care for GOD's children for love of GOD.....

[@MrSanford65]

@ Language does seem metaphysical in that it could never speak itself into existence without having the language first to speak itself into existence. But the downside is that language narrows the scope for which we perceive our position in the universe. I believe in our minds, we see things first and then add words to it afterwards-but if you just process what we saw in our heads and try not to describe it- and sense it as a whole, we could then sense a higher form of intelligence above us.

[@evaadam3635]

@@MrSanford65 ...and once you already believe in a loving HIGHER SOURCE or GOD without language, how are you able to show your love of all children for love of GOD without language, by sign language ?...

[@MrSanford65]

@@evaadam3635 you know the interesting thing about language is that many things we can’t speak to each other or to put into words ; we “know” the answers within ourselves but can only express it to ourselves. It’s what we know, but can’t express- is where the truth lies.

[@chyfields]

We know that the Creator, being All, is conscious, sentient and emotional. When we deny the existence of the Creator or the Creation, do we hurt the Creator’s feelings or cause any emotional discomfort?

[@evaadam3635]

God split Himself into free souls (us) just to have a free family to love and to be freely loved.... of course GOD would be hurt if one member abandons HIM... it is almost like a parent who lost his/her beloved child...

[@chyfields]

@evaadam3635 I expect that Mother Earth has similar sensibilities, having harboured and provided for humanity for many generations.

[@evaadam3635]

​@@chyfieldsEarth is just a part of the Physical Universe that GOD created as temporary home for lost souls to have a chance of salvation through faith...

[@pandoraeeris7860]

Man, you guy's are sitting rly close. 😂

[@evaadam3635]

... born to be homosexual is not your fault... every one of us was born with a cross to carry in our journey to return HOME through faith in a loving GOD... ...if one is born with the drive to kill, as his cross to carry, he is still free to choose to go along with this drive and free to choose TO RESIST it for love of GOD and love of HIS children...

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

*"Man, you guy's are sitting rly close."* ... It's a consequence of cinematography and video format. You have to squeeze as much human real estate as you can into a small video frame. If you look at old "Columbo" episodes, Peter Falk gets within inches of other people's face. It looks fine up on your screen, but if they zoomed out it would look ... well, ... _awkward_

[@angel4everable]

We all remember what J.B.S. Haldane said when asked what nature revealed about God: "He has a fondness for beetles." He also really, really likes parasites, tsunamis, and cerebral palsy.

[@evaadam3635]

..pain and suffering can not destroy your soul but are just hints of Hell so for you to hopefully believe in a loving God for your lost soul's salvation...

[@sujok-acupuncture9246]

Theology means blabbering.

[@evaadam3635]

..you do not need any theology book to have a personal faith in the existence of your Loving Almighty Divine SOURCE.... you just need to choose NOT to ignore your IQ...

[@pauldorman]

@@evaadam3635 If you cared at all about your own intelligence you would spend some time slowly reading through every comment with a critical eye, carefully considering and evaluating what is being asserted, and what that says about the thought processes of the people who wrote them. When you realise just how nonsensical they all are, you might be fortunate enough to have it dawn upon you that your own conception of reality is just as incoherent.

[@evaadam3635]

@@pauldorman ...it did not come from my intelligence but came from the light that I believe was shared to me because of my sincere faith... and I am sharing this light not because of care for my intelligence but care for lost souls for my love and faith in GOD... ..I understand that Atheists only care for themselves ....

[@pauldorman]

@@evaadam3635 Point proven! Also baselessly characterising atheists as only caring for themselves is pretty mean spirited, don't you think? I would say we're no more or less self-centred than anyone else. Personally, I've never met an atheist who lacked empathy for others. One thing for certain is that the morality of atheists is infinitely more authentic than that of religious people, who actually believe that if it weren't for their morbid fear of eternal damnation they would undoubtedly become horrible, depraved, evil human beings! Lucky for the rest of us, I suppose!

[@MJ1]

More philosophy for children

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

The problem with natural theology is that you have no verification process for "divine revelation." *Example:* If God revealed to me that I should be the leader of the modern world, how would I verify this revelation? The best way to approach theology AND science is through the prism of *logical conceivability* since both ideologies are bound by it. Theists need to determine if an _"infinitely existing, all-knowing entity"_ is a logically conceivable conclusion just like physicists need to determine if an _"infinite stream of infinitely existing universes"_ is logically conceivable. ... The truth is that neither proposition survives when fired in the crucible of logical conceivability, Any proposition that does not pass the litmus test of *logical conceivability* does not mean the proposition is wrong in its entirety, but rather that it needs to be reworked until it is deemed logically conceivable in its entirety. If any part of a proposition results in logical inconceivability, then the proposition will never be universally accepted (no pun intended).

[@evaadam3635]

..your lost soul was not sent here to verify GOD but to have faith in the loving GOD... ..and once you decide to choose to have sincere faith in the loving GOD's existence, you may receive the light to understand HIM better that is only verifiable to yourself but not to others...

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

*"your lost soul was not sent here to verify GOD but to have faith in the loving GOD..."* ... So, I existed before I did here on Earth; I was sent here for a mission; my mission is to have faith in God without any attempts at verification, and my soul is "lost." ... Got it! My version is that over the past 14 billion years, "Existence" has been evolving form the most minimalistic representation of "Existence" to its profound, modern-day levels of complexity. You, me, and everyone else represent to most recent stage of that evolution (self-awareness). We are currently tasked with evaluating everything we encounter and issuing our value judgments accordingly. We then place everything that exists into categories (or "spectrums") based on perceived value. It's similar to what we do when we clean up and organize our house and garage. Our value judgments and spectrum formations show "Existence" which paths to take during the next stages of evolution. So, that represents *two completely different perspectives* on our reality.

[@evaadam3635]

​@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC..if Consciousness came first before Evolution, this means Consciousnes DID NOT evolve, thus your evolution perspective can not be valid... ...but, as you have asserted that Consciousness is a product of Evolution, you are actually saying that you are a Conscious Product of Unconscious Bigbang out of NOTHING which can not pass Logic 101.... you are actually equating O = 1 trashing Math in the process..... .. also, because Evolution is a Natural Involuntary Process, no goal but just by random, emergence or accident, then why I am free to Consciously VOLUNTEER , did I stop evolving by involuntary process ?... you see, it won't fit... ..yes, you and I have different perspectives but your perspective does not make any iota of sense as proven above... If it does not fit, you must acquit !..

[@infinitygame18]

PRESENT REALITY IS VIRGINLY BLESSED WITH JOY AND LOVE AND IS COMPATIBLE IN HANDLING EVERYTHING YOU CAN HANDLE, MORE PRECISELY, IF YOU LEARN THE WAY TO SYNCHRONIZE WITH IT, MEDITATION IS THE BEST FORM