Tom Platz on Mike Mentzer 😢💔

[@leonidkotkovskiy9097]

Tom Platz has a very kind heart. Mike Mentzer was very sensitive vulnerable man. Very intelligent

[@fernandoangelessoto9301]

His vulnerability is what killed him. He should have manned up and continue in the game.

[@paulaumentado1588]

Nah that only a part of it what killed mike was depression he went through so much the guy didn't deserve this​@@fernandoangelessoto9301

[@aidangaddass9076]

​@fernandoangelessoto9301 What's the point of continuing to play the game if it's rigged.

[@FikretBiberović]

​@Mantastic-ho3vmIt was

[@gregarious6662]

​@aidangaddass9076 Exactly! Mike called out and didn't want to "fit in" / participate with Weider's Ch*ldish, C*wardice Cr*minals.

[@carnivorous_vegan]

He redeemed himself with Dorian, and his last days were spent creating instructional tapes for others. It's a bittersweet ending for him.

[@myversionoftruth]

Those training tapes and videos are just incredible. I am learning from them and getting benefits also. Mike was really great guy. Bodybuilding community would never forget him and will thank him for his teaching. RIP Great Mike. 🙏

[@nextlevel8771]

@@myversionoftruthMike Mentzer is a guy trying to be different and a bitter one at that. I’m forever grateful dude lost in 1980. His ‘training philosophy’ reflects itself in his reaction to it… completely giving up and breaking down. I know one’s things for sure.. Arnold would never have done that. That’s what you get for being weak minded. Now idiots actually cult follow Mike, it’s crazy

[@Coalemos]

​@@myversionoftruthhe was a pioneer but his 1 set ideology was wrong. There are numerous studies showing this. It doesn't mean you have to do 10 sets but 1 just isn't enough apparently. I started working out from home with just a bar and I had no idea what I was doing. I still did pretty well despite that. I had to take time off and during that time I came across Mentzer's stuff. I thought when I get back to it I'll do that, 1 set to failure high intensity training. I even had it in mind when I joined the gym. Then I found out it's wrong and studies show this. I do 3 sets and recently added myoreps in. I can't believe the results. I'm still in newbie gains territory because I'm working muscles I've never hit before. Mike seemed like a good guy with good ideas for his time.

[@DeDieuAntique]

​@Coalemos Actually, one set that takes 3 minutes will do more than a 5x5 or 3x8 etc. Most people respond well to intensity. Trying to do one set of squats of 20 reps when your tank is empty at 10 reps, will build you up faster, denser, and mentally prepare you for a lifetime of lifting. You have to sit there with the bar enduring the weight until you decide to descend. Time under tension does a lot for you. Just because it's too intense for most, doesn't mean it doesn't work. Plenty of studies contradict each other. It depends on the methods of the study, the participants, and the honesty of those involved. Myoreps are amazing.

[@Coalemos]

@@DeDieuAntique oh I'm all for time under tension, absolutely brutal and I love it. I'm going to stick with 3 sets though and more even for certain muscles. I'm going to failure as often as is possible on exercises that allow it (which is about 90%) and I'm still getting used to certain movements so multiple sets works for me. I asked 2 PTs about myoreps and one told me to stick to the basics that it's for advanced lifters who plateau. F that! I'm going to do everything I can to ensure failure or honestly what's the point? I see so many guys just going through the motions using equipment and not pushing, I don't see the point in that, do it or don't. Today was legs and I could hardly walk and I absolutely loved it.

[@mattshepherd1736]

He realised he had dedicated his life to a sport that wasn’t a sport but a show

[@regalsurvivor3418]

That could inspire an episode of depression

[@mattshepherd1736]

@@regalsurvivor3418 must feel terrible knowing you put in just as much work but just so happen to be a victim of corruption

[@PanzerCrewman]

Gay party

[@mattshepherd1736]

@@PanzerCrewman gaylimpics

[@donquixote...]

Well, as long as he figured he was the golden child and he'd get his so the rest didn't matter, he was ok with it... That's right I said that. He didn't just drop out of a space ship, he'd been around the sport for a while already, knew the history of bourgeois competition between Weider and Hoffman, the marketing warfare, and seen & heard of others misfortunes. So no pretending there's anything new under the sun...

[@MDProducts-pf4ym]

Crazy how Mike actually wanted to help people out and no one wanted to listen to him.

[@jasonkim11]

I'm sure many teachers feel this way.

[@krystofodehnal9448]

😂

[@falco2296]

Can relate, not to his degree but to a point It hurts when no one understands or cares

[@krystofodehnal9448]

@@falco2296 Mike only wanted to make money

[@onewarriornation602]

No one listened because his program is fucking 🗑️

[@justhwsky]

Mike realized people didn’t want truth or honesty, they wanted a spectacle

[@lel3450]

Mike and Arnold one where fool wins and the intellect fails truly saf

[@euj0]

What do you mean? Truth in what?

[@jman3767]

@@euj0I have limited knowledge on it so I’m just going to give surface level information. 1. Mike mentzer had an unorthodox way/philosophy of training for the time period they were in. Many would argue he was ahead of his time. The tried and true back then Volume, Volume, Volume whereas Mike went in an opposite direction which he was criticized for by alot of people at the time 2. Many would argue that Arnold won by politics (because the judges had a favoritism bias towards Arnold) and NOT because he actually had a better physique than Mike which Mike mentzer was bitter about for years

[@leonvalentine3748]

​@jman3767 there is probably something deeper going one that hit him. The Olympia fiasco probably didn't help, and may have been the last thing to tip him over there. Something else had to be gripping him up to that point.

[@khronos2213]

​@@jman3767 Cool, but he was wrong on almost everything he said.

[@weignerleigner3037]

Mike was a smart dude. That’s why he fell into depression. When you see how the world actually works and understand it it’s very depressing

[@lazar9754]

Knowing a lot about the world can make you feel sad because you see many problems. But, it's important to remember that life is still a beautiful gift. The difficult things we face are chances for us to grow stronger and learn. Life is short and special. We should see the good in it and understand that bad things help us appreciate the good even more. It's like when it rains, and then we see a rainbow. We should enjoy life, learn from the hard times, and always look for the good. This way, we can live a happy and meaningful life, no matter what comes our way.

[@jerrylestock3004]

Amen and Amen. Nothing makes sense

[@stevenkowalisyn22]

@@lazar9754well said. So true.

[@Yokatosh]

When redditors think they are smart

[@grabs_you5954]

No he was chemically depressed but was pretty cognitively sound

[@JoeFabeets]

Mike Mentzer was highly intelligent. High intelligence can sometimes be a curse.

[@jk61490]

Intelligence isn’t the curse, AWARENESS IS

[@JoeFabeets]

@@jk61490 like the fact that the more I learn, the more I realize how I know nothing

[@jasonfusaro2170DragonFly]

​@@JoeFabeetsSocrates

[@alexparakan]

It wasn't the fuckin intelligence the curse of Mike. It was the ADHD. It can make you highly intelligent and dumb at the same time if you don't get proper treatment and start using drugs.

[@danielbrowniel]

@@jk61490 Ecclesiastes, "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." I miss everything about being younger except being ignorant. It's terrible thing that life is so short when everything is so interesting and it would take several lifetimes to appreciate it all.

[@SotiriMarkou]

Mike Mentzer is the Van Gough of body-building, his advice was overall ignored aside from an exceptional few but he's now become larger than life after his death

[@JohnnyLawrie25]

Posthumous genius

[@timothymoon930]

I agree I'm 58 now and I'm proud to say I use he's methods. Young guys can't believe what I can do an I let them know Mike mentzer look him up thank 🙏 you for your love sir rest in peace 🙏

[@lawrencecrawford1517]

So true.

[@jonathan-zo9nh]

They say people who are intellectual are more depressed

[@justintodd5145]

It's true. They feel they are different from humans. They don't like talking about stupid things like small talk or gossiping. They only want to figure out the universe. And nobody around you cares about that stuff. It's very lonely.

[@futureisyours3016]

when the cassette plays, but there's nothing recorded on it!!

[@p.l.diablo9864]

Emotional IQ, empaths. They cant help not feeling.

[@PiracyandDumbbells]

Ecclesiastes 1:8 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow." 😪

[@GarbageGarageInc]

@@PiracyandDumbbellspowerful verse

[@paulbrower1812]

I really wish Mike could see the recognition he’s getting now and how many people see what he’s done and know that he is truly the uncrowned king

[@Thanoswasright_]

Y’all were too late 😔

[@Mishairl]

45 years later... thats the way life is..

[@mrpempi]

He's watching with a smile of content.

[@tb5687]

Mike changed my life because of his training videos on rest and recovery. I was destroying myself and didn't even know. Thank Mike, RIP. You didn't win it all but you affected more lives than youll ever know. That's a true champion.

[@cheffroggo4363]

12 years of overtraining and substance abuse has my body n mind messed up. I'm recovering though, it's taking years though to recover from such damage

[@p.l.diablo9864]

He did win. Everyone knows. His legacy is legendary. They can never take that away.

[@georgewilkie3580]

​@@p.l.diablo9864 You are absolutely correct! Mike Mentzer IS The Un-Crowned Mr. OLYMPIA!

[@MarioVinals-gt3yw]

​@@georgewilkie3580and Kevin Levrone

[@ROMANMAKEAMOVE.]

Me too. I just finish my first high intensity training today.

[@imranzafar1781]

The way Arnold stole the trophy from him, really did a number on Metzer

[@ScienceFusionLab]

Arnold wasn't the reason, Mike lost his father, his business ruined, his gf broke up with him and meth, these all together made him mentally sick from 1984 to 1990

[@NapsterRulez]

Mike is great, but he definitely wasn't winning the 1980 Olympia

[@mitch5944]

Yall just making shit up without actually knowing lmao. Hes a person we all got issues who knows what the thorn in his side was. I'd rather not make assumptions.

[@jackdarefsky4784]

​@@mitch5944 somebody does apparently @ScienceFusionLab

[@Foralluhaterz]

They put him 5th when everyone knew he won

[@kevinharrison2394]

Life slowly chips away at us all.

[@AshleySmyth1212]

No it doesn't, be a man.

[@charlesterrizzi8311]

Forgive before it’s too late is one lesson we can take away

[@sup7530]

Jesus loves you and will accept you no matter what youve done. Just accept that youre saved by Gods grace through the death and redemption of Jesus 💖

[@assassincodm8450]

Imagine doing decades of research on how to train and no one from your time listens to you. Sad.

[@shrekster3990]

Lots of its has now been disproven which is worse.

[@somone799]

Its the exact opposite, there have been many studies done on muscular hypertrophy supporting mentzer’s training.

[@assassincodm8450]

@@somone799 was stating abt when no one listened to him in the 70s due to lack of those studies. From his time. I myself train with principles of mm on exercise.

[@frog8553]

@@shrekster3990what’s your source

[@PowPow-yp9rf]

​@@shrekster3990 I genuinely don't understand how when guys like him, Dorian were able to achieve that physique through mike's training methods. I've also seen countless comments and posts on the internet confirming that mike's training style worked perfectly for them and a lot of the posts on net were of natural guys

[@prestonmoore9996]

Mike Mentzer’s principles are what made me the bodybuilder that I am today. I owe it all to that guy because for many years I was left confused and plateaued with my training. After reading his books and watching his seminars I progressed faster than ever. Thank you Mike and RIP.

[@sf2explus184]

exactly he explains why we need rest and not to over train. results come super quick keeping training days 4 days or less. for me 3 day per week works best. some weeks 2 times.

[@trentongardner2106]

​@@sf2explus184crazy. I'm natural, and have to do 6 days for results. Some people I know on sauce only need a few days a week though.

[@katakurithecalamity9840]

the fact that they robbed him twice in a row and nobody could approach him and look him in the eye because they knew he deserved 1980 olympia and even arnold had to leave without making eye contacts because of the shame of it

[@trentongardner2106]

He got 5th. Looked good. Imo about the 5th best maybe 3rd at most. Arnold just looked better than everyone else. It sucks for others, but that's why Arnold is the goat.

[@katakurithecalamity9840]

@@trentongardner2106 i dont know about you but i am no mr olympia and i am 99,99% sure that you aint even qualified to even be in the top 10000 of bodybuilders either but i know that i can trust the opinion of tom platz and he himself said that mentzer was robbed and arnold wouldn't even be qualified to be in the top 10's and and he was doing the wrong poses all the time during the competition to show only the good features of his body and the judges didnt even detect points from him neither disqualify him for continuously doing that and the cherry on the top was him winning and running away because he couldnt look in everyone eyes when he robbed them

[@michaelsongin4007]

@@trentongardner2106Arnold looked better than no one that year? He showed up after becoming an actor and stole the prize through judges who were doing his publicity a favor.

[@qoonbinneeghas4210]

@@trentongardner2106Arnold had the judges on his payroll. No wonder Mr Olympia was rigged.

[@KwisBwown]

Yup. Arnold part of the machine. Rigged.

[@cam-inf-4w5]

The more the intellect and compassion the more the pain and demons come for you

[@chestnutsev7]

The devil attacks if he sees something valuable in you. Thieves don’t burgle empty houses.

[@HPLovecraft-lx6yz]

@@chestnutsev7 jesus christ the both of you, well said

[@Matthew-rc1xt]

I used to idolize Arnold when i first started training. But between all the shit he did and his “screw your freedoms” attitude to the common man. I grew to see Arnold was just an opportunist and an elitist

[@ianbrown5955]

Exactly!!! The same here.

[@PennsylvaniaHomesforSale]

💯%

[@Black-Circle]

Arnold screw your volume.

[@98AH_]

It’s really really heartbreaking, Mike was sensitive to outside forces and let it get to him. All he needed was someone by his side always.

[@sushobhandash]

That 1980 shebang really did break him 💔💔

[@bicepbrah8179]

Can’t blame him. Bodybuilding was his everything. For it all to be ripped away by politics and corruption, heartbreaking.

[@bbrandumbb]

⁠should of just congratulated Arnold and move on to competing the following year. Why throw away years of work and study?

[@bicepbrah8179]

@@bbrandumbb Thats very easy for you to say. He worked his whole life for the Olympia, and was extremely dedicated. He was confident that he was the winner.

[@ScienceFusionLab]

Arnold wasn't the reason, Mike lost his father, his business ruined, his gf broke up with him and meth, these all together made him mentally sick from 1984 to 1990

[@Lousy-Looter]

​@bbrandumbb why? So he could be humiliated again and again? It isn't always that easy to just come back next year...especially when training at this level, besides the next year was Franco's turn to steal the Mr.O

[@oldschoolliferhere]

I hung out with him for 4 days back in the 90s and told me so much that opened my eyes to a lot of things in BB.

[@lawdog369]

tell us!

[@evergreen4034]

Please!

[@catedoge3206]

@@lawdog369 yuh

[@lawdog369]

@@catedoge3206 yuh wat?

[@adyensp]

Is this cap chat

[@timschmidt3784]

If Mike was around today, he would make a boatload of money through social media. He was incredibly smart, articulate, and had a good sense of humor.

[@RedfishCarolina]

Tom is one of my heroes. Heroes don't have to be perfect, they just have to motivate you to be your best, and that's Tom Platz for damn sure.

[@benjo8547]

I mean, can you imagine? He stopped medical school to pursue bodybuilding.

[@mr.niceguy9394]

Legend ❤

[@roberthoule4504]

After 20 years of training i'm finally able to make gains following mikes principles.

[@mrpempi]

Keep pushing and resting. Well done on your results.

[@gator4458]

They could probably make a movie about Mr. Mentzer

[@electricgoat7833]

that would be awesome

[@TheMercuryZz]

He really couldn’t get over that 1980 mr Olympia. Sad.

[@ihatehandleshowaboutyou]

@floomdoom1 I'm ok with it.

[@blacknikespurpleblankie1354]

@@ihatehandleshowaboutyouonly one of us have

[@Chris-ro7mn]

​@@ihatehandleshowaboutyouyou lack principle

[@blacknikespurpleblankie1354]

@@ihatehandleshowaboutyouonly one so far

[@DonatelloSmithson-dj6gw]

@@ihatehandleshowaboutyouyou weren’t there

[@michelweienborn3196]

Often times very intelligent people are very sensitiv. Not because they actually are but because it often is hard for them to make up a fake reality to protect themselfs from hurt like other people do.

[@jeremyjeremy8795]

That’s a really good way to illustrate it

[@samuelmiller1936]

That’s very wise.

[@laxmanmotorcyclist4657]

Tom is really nice person❤

[@somone799]

Godspeed Mentzer 🕊️🕊️🕊️ Fly high.

[@eastwoodccj]

I love Mike even more for his tragedy and the lesson he gave us all! He stood up for his truth though: that you don't need to forcefeed protein powder and over training is worse that sort of kind of bad: it is the single biggest mistake most body builders make.

[@onewarriornation602]

Overtraining is a myth, just like "you only need to do one set to grow ." But hey, Methzer did do a shitload of hardcore street drugs, drank his own urine and fucked other men for money so maybe he was onto something with one of those things.

[@abrokanfxr3388]

RIP, thx for changing my life! you'll be always be loved , Dr Mike Mentzer-

[@seanwhitehurst8794]

They say the greater the intelligence the greater the suffering

[@NemeanLion-]

I don’t agree with that statement.

[@OneMan-wl1wj]

"In much wisdom is much grief, and he that increases in knowledge increases in sorrow" The book of Ecclesiastes

[@user-tu2dr3ny6x]

@@NemeanLion- Why? Every highly intelligent person I've ever known either becomes a drug addict or is on psychiatric medicine. Meanwhile people I know that can barely even read are happy as fuck 99% of the time lol.

[@NemeanLion-]

@@user-tu2dr3ny6x Yeah, ok 👌

[@dadshaw8960]

@@user-tu2dr3ny6xI don’t know much about the Bible, but it could answer some of your questions.

[@TylerYuhas]

Damn Mike 🥺 this broke my heart. I hope he’s resting peacefully.

[@gabrielmorales5064]

It’s crazy how both just died within like 3 days of eachother

[@kikomacedo8529]

Muito comum entre gêmeos

[@umarhossain2701]

​@@kikomacedo8529 yeah they weren't twins

[@johnlong9494]

​@@umarhossain2701 yes they were. Look at the mustaches... NO, LOOK AT THEM :|

[@umarhossain2701]

@@johnlong9494 very slow 🦥

[@vikramsinghdutt]

I think they were killed by illuminati

[@josephabrams4002]

Mike Mentzer was my hero when I was starting out and I still believe that the principles that he taught in the 80's, still ring true today. Looking back now in my sixties, I think Mike's biggest enemy was his mind, but not in the sense that one would think. As a dentist and member of the medical community, I can truly say that Mike was an intellectual and brilliant in so many ways. However, in his thirst for truth, he got sucked into the atheistic teachings of Ayn Rand and he had no spiritual base on which to fall back. I believe if Mike had a belief in God or a higher power, his life may have turned out differently in his latter years.

[@naoufalhitmi]

True

[@chriskrueger8074]

I met Mike Mentzer in the early 90s during a period of his good days. I knew of his issues but got to know a really decent, intelligent man who helped my training improve. Unfortunately he got bad again and we lost contact and then he was dead. Addiction can and will kill the best people . Its a powerful disease.

[@Miguel_man]

I'm 35 now and recently getting back into fitness and have been listening to Mike's training points on reels. Seems like there's nothing really solid on these guys like a documentary or tv specials. Would really like to see a comprehensive video on the Mentzer's

[@charlieross4674]

Good comment: same here.

[@johnvilla5249]

Tom platz looking like Albert Wesker

[@jackhackman7777]

The way Arnold stole his trophy and screwed mike over just destroyed mike i dont believe he totally ever got over what was done to him its sad i would have just given up also..........

[@derekmortensen85]

The Mentzers are one of the greatest gifts and tragedies to bodybuilding.

[@JasonFolk07]

Mikes way of bodybuilding will never die' It will carry on for many generations to come!

[@GeorgiyVasiliadi16]

You are right brother 💪🏼

[@drossi101]

HIT? Lol Mike didn’t use hit and no bodybuilder of note used hit. It lives on for people that will drink the koolaid of an 80s meth addict.

[@onewarriornation602]

Yep, there'll be Gay4Pay drug addicted snorting meth and doing shitty half assed workouts decades from now. 😂

[@Gargarks]

Probably not. He gets rediscovered about once a generation when new lifters want to try a methodology that seems to promise more results for Less work. They try it for a couple months see initial gains and then a sharp drop off and go to more traditional methods.

[@starchild.P]

Great minds with crippling addictions...lifes a comedy and yet a tragedy

[@tr7b410]

The politics of body building broke his spirit. If you were in Weiders stable of promotional YES men, you won contests.

[@TheEatShizzel]

Sometimes being intelligent is a curse. You see more and understand more. It’s very depressing especially when others can’t see or understand what you see and understand.

[@ofekmizrahi3079]

You also get caught up in too much shit and overthink beyond your focus and you lose control

[@thebeing7033]

It's always the good ones that leave early.

[@sakuragihanamichi7415]

Bullshit! I like tom but he has a really bad habit of over exaggerating things. Mike and his brother had a genetic disease. That's why their health deteriorated. He was doing great, he had a clothing business, was an editor, had many clients. He also believed and advocated Objectivism. So there was no remorse or regret in him. In fact, mike even complimented Arnold in his interview which is available online. So there was no hatred in him. Most people just like to believe a certain narrative and Tom is just playing on that to make himself sound superior. Tom only had the guts to say this because Mike and Ray aren't here.

[@donaldsavage3699]

❤ We miss you Mike!!!😢

[@Thebestoneintheworldha]

Mike cared about the truth but the cheats got the best of him

[@Someone-pt5nc]

I've noticed one thing about all these guys who pass away early.... they live on forever through there work ❤❤❤

[@adods9824]

Their

[@rome2021]

Intelligence unfortunately cannot sustain happiness it just doesnt last

[@Mayanksabsurddd]

And the more you know the more you suffer

[@bigCdog98]

All the intellectualism in the world cannot repair a soul that is devoid of Christ. Never forget this

[@joescott906]

It was more than 1980... It was nautilus against free weights his teachings went against the Weiders and Arnold's principles, business and money.

[@hanson2649]

Mike Mentzer is just like Nikola Tesla, the guy that we didn't deserve

[@JosephFarrier-c8q]

AS A BODY BUILDER ITS OUR DUTY TO KEEP TRYING ❤❤❤ MIKE LET EGO WIN JUST BE HUMBLE GUYS AND BE STRONG FOR LIFE

[@Drod5]

Our HEAVY duty to keep trying!

[@first-thoughtgiver-of-will2456]

sometimes the people with the most active and strong minds think of things most other people usually passively ignore and it can get to them from time to time.

[@ScienceFusionLab]

Mike lost his father, his business ruined, his gf broke up with him and meth, these all together made him mentally sick from 1984 to 1990

[@Undisputedcommentchamp]

Rip mentzer bros

[@MS-bh3uw]

MM should have gone to medical school. His intellect and desire to help others was wasted on bodybuilding. It's terribly sad that both he and his brother lost their lives so young to such a frivolous pursuit.

[@nonoasailo9690]

When I was growing up I looked up to Arnold Schwarzenegger as I get older I look up to Mike. His method was absolutely astounding...To this day

[@eman8065]

Rip Mike

[@vimtobill4156]

When you're intelligent, you essentially are alone until you meet someone capable of understanding you. This isn't a dig at anybody. Just people have different wavelengths and being on the same wavelength isn't always that simple.

[@MontiMiller-z4t]

Tesla died alone in a hotel broke, Howard Hughes died a refuse(a shell of his glory days'20's-'50's), Ronnie Coleman 8x Mr. O. has had 13 surgeries to correct his Spine that has confined him to a wheelchair. People are human, and everyone goes through hard times, we should never equate success in someone's life after their passing to what we think🤔their success should've been(We never know, unless we've walked a mile in their 👟s, just saying...)

[@seankinsellasean]

I’ve been getting stronger and making progress since going from 5 days a week to 3. Thanks Mike

[@donaldsavage3699]

I remember Tom platz,, he's a real nice guy. I traveled so far to see him, I even trained with "David" one of the barbarian Brothers at the time. Too bad I was too shy to ask him for an autograph!!! 🤔

[@miguelleonpulido2227]

I feel bad about him and his bother, they early passed away,they still had more to give. Mike was really intelligent but never seen to be recognised as it should

[@balitzky]

He smoked cigarettes and meth. There is no excuse for that, even his suffering after 1980 Olympia unjustice.

[@kevinchamika8424]

A bad system will destroy a good and innocent man everytime.

[@daniell5751]

Mike was a fake, so fake that neither he nor his brother used that hit/heavy duty crap. Several bodybuilders who saw them train said that they did high volume and didn't even worry about going to failure. Casey Viator himself assumed that he was not seeing any progress in the Colorado experiment, and did many more hidden series. Boyer Coe has said publicly that this style of training also hasn't gained him an ounce of muscle. Let's get to the facts: Hit/Heavy Duty have already been refuted by science, because they were just a marketing ploy. You told married, lazy or time-poor men that all they had to do was go to the gym 2 or 3 times and they would not only get results, they would also have better results than those who trained 5 or 6 times and thus make a lot of money with that promise. let's look at another fact: Neither Mike nor Arnold should have won the 1980 Mr Olympia, Arnold was out of shape, and Mike had a huge belly, in addition to posing very badly. The real champion should have been Chris Dickerson or Boyer Coe.

[@jordanmossing5614]

The industry hated Mike for preaching you don't need to obsess over working. He stated you don't need steroids, a gym, or your whole life dedicated to spending money to workout. That goes against what these mainstream pimps want their hos to promote. If you think the industry cares about you, you're probably being pimped out to spend money on their man made drugs. Mike promoted to workout healthy and spend the rest of your time with family and learning. That's why the industry constantly trys to discredit him. He didn't do what they wanted like Arnold and many others to keep yall self absorbed and hooked on drugs. Wake up. They literally have most convinced if you are strong, ripped, and or stacked that you have to be on something. I've seen guys as big as body builders without steroids or any enhancements, just proper training, rest, and food. Convince the people what GOD gave them isn't good enough and pump them full of ego and chemicals. I've gotten so big myself personally that everyone thought I was on something....never have, never will. Through GOD all things are possible when you're willing to do the work. Our strength comes from YAHWEH. Work hard and pray harder with GOD all is possible. Stop supporting criminals that pimp you out on pharma and ego. Work hard and love your family. Time here is short. Live everyday like that's it.

[@scottwade369]

No

[@Lousy-Looter]

You are absolutely right!

[@wittywolfwrath]

​@@scottwade369, Unequivocally, yes.

[@onewarriornation602]

Interesting choice of works, claiming others "pumped themselves out" when Methzer literally pumped himself out to Gay men for drug money. Speaking of, also interesting you bring up "they want you on drugs" considering Methzer was a hardcore tweaker strung out on meth, who would drink his own piss because he was convinced it was Anabolic.

[@scottwade369]

@@wittywolfwrath Wrong

[@Darth_Serpentor]

Typical good guy, realising that when you are honest, the world is against you. The dude played fair, got tricked by Arnold and his friends

[@matthewroy8743]

See Tom could have been worried but he never tried to help, not really.

[@thenoobreturnz8968]

Because we're men. We have to find our solutions and dig ourselves out. No ones going to save you, you have to be strong to save yourself, mentally physically or even academically.

[@Remorsefullyhumble]

@@thenoobreturnz8968that’s not totally true .help comes from outside and inside .

[@thenoobreturnz8968]

@@Remorsefullyhumble if you're a woman. There's a reason why society disregards mens feelings, because men are accustomed to being loners and problem solvers. Chris Rock said it best. Only women and children are loved unconditionally.

[@davidzamora8342]

Mike was egotistical and a drug addict. Many offered him help but he thought he was above everyone. Just look at his reaction to losing the Mr O. He could’ve gotten a little better the next year and not shown bitterness towards the welders and Arnold both who basically put bodybuilding on the map and he could’ve been a part of the team. Instead he chose to bash and was ostracized for it. Simple as that.

[@hitten03]

​@@davidzamora8342You're a noob now. Tom Platz got robbed the next year. Get a little better. Lol 😂

[@gerretshadow7599]

Intelligence and wisdom can draw out even more severe cases of depression. I hate it… now I feel even worse that Mike suffered through that.

[@headless0ptomist198]

He was a highly intelligent man and highly intelligent people struggle with a lot internally but they never show it until it reaches a breaking point and it leads to a breakdown. It's sounds stupid but it's like that Simpsons episode where Homer get the crayon removed and his genius comes back, it's extremely difficult when everything you look at becomes a problem to solve instead of something they can enjoy because that's just how your brain works and you can't help it.

[@popovgaming6924]

“Pain and suffering are always inevitable for a large intelligence and a deep heart. The really great men must, I think, have great sadness on earth.” ― Fyodor Dostoevsky

[@BigBoss-zi5ss]

Stop blaming Arnold for everyone's problem esp Mike Mentzer..he was a smart man but he could have kept competing prob would have won the next year ..just cause he hit a wall one year doesn't mean he should have given up

[@woodsballjunkiepb5991]

If only Mike knew how many he has inspired and helped me their best self today.

[@g-man2507]

He looked phenomenal back in the day but it's hard to see what made him great intellectually. Back then, everyone was trying to come up with a stupid gimmick and "Heavy Duty" was just another one. Doing training sessions too short seems like they could lead to poor conditioning and open one up to injuries.

[@Johnny_G.Y.M]

I think that above all that happened that day, he realized that this was the last year he could have competed to win at the end of what is now known as the golden era.

[@oliviolanza1933]

Unfortunately Mike Mentzer's "great mind" did not stop him from taking amphetamines,

[@DbolOnlyGangster]

Mike had depression in his family . Plus the death of his father really impacted him negatively he loved his father dearly . The only reason he lifted weights was because of his father . Then he gets cheated from an Olympia and just snapped . I feel sorry for mike . He wasn’t a bad man just bad shit happened to him .

[@whoshilly9206]

Sometimes being intelligent is a plague on the mind.

[@jefftalbot5192]

A true sigma male that was ahead of his time(but his depression drove him to train some of the greats like Dorian;)😊

[@exray49]

bro 💀

[@stuartlawler2411]

Mike mentzer is the only bodybuilder that gives legit advice that can be used for nattys...its legit AF. Doing bpdy part splits and training twice a day with every rep and set to failure is just the dumbest. Only argued by roiders

[@GassedUpCam_]

Man. They went out like true brothers. His brother died 2 days after him. That’s how I’d be if my little brother died. Brothers til the end. 💪

[@benkeel2966]

Steroids, especially aggressive steroid use, causes various types of men cancers but especially heart disease. Liver disease and kidney disease😢

[@Bwestbrook]

Mike mentzers heavy duty program focused on natty lifters. He said why follow a regiment made by a steroid user. Since I moved from six days to four but when heavier and harder those four days with a day of rest in between. I have become shredded I have a six pack my obliques are coming in. All from making sure I prioritized heavy movements especially compound staples. Such as deadlift shoulder press and chest press etc

[@NenadZangief]

Deserves more likes And engagement 😊

[@Bwestbrook]

@@NenadZangief I used to follow Arnold’s and all the mainstream guys. I have gotten double the results in shorter time with body composition change with mentzers way!

[@bondjamesbond.2711]

You are training 4 days a week? Would Mike say that you are over training and not allowing for full rec, repair and then muscle growth to it’s “OPTIMAL” level? Optimal being the key word.

[@Bwestbrook]

@@bondjamesbond.2711 I actually cut down to theee last three monthes. But they are longer sessions and I hit two muscle groups that are similar. I have never been bigger or more shredded.

[@jeremywalker2460]

Moral of the story don't stick elucid drugs in your veins to try to build your physique, you will never get out alive.

[@wakeup3987]

What happened with Tom's mouth ? I hope it's not Bells Palsy from cvid injections.

[@dwade6322]

Mike....G.O.A.T 🐐

[@robbo8074]

Moral of the story everyone has issues and we can fall into deep dark places

[@Jr-yi1oo]

Long life to the THE UNCROWNED KING Mike Mentzer 👑 ((And F*ck Arnold))

[@willpowerman8817]

Mike Mentzer just seems that despite his many blessings(intelligence, good body) also had some real bad luck. Rest in peace Mike.

[@feriateam8074]

Meth and Drugs combined with Alcohol and Steriods will do that to you... Say No to Drugs

[@chrisstager8045]

Amphetamines were very big in body building back then, and the rumor was mike was hooked. Sad he was so far ahead of his time

[@DG-nb6fe]

Amphetamines always have been a great ped for the last 100 years. Energy to get out of bed and start your day, to train intensely, to get by on lower calories etc.

[@Natalia-v9n]

Tom platz is a fake & lame

[@allanperez8241]

Mike really didn’t deserve to lose those Olympias he has definitely changed the science role in bodybuilding

[@onewarriornation602]

Science has debunked his HIT bullshit and he placed 5th in that Olympia and looked like shit. Time to get over it.

[@entitiessoul]

Why was he smoking and drinking

[@xmax9297]

I hear good things about Mentzer’s training advice, but didn’t he and his brother take meth as pre-workout at some point? 😂 I swear I read that somewhere and that’s how his brother died or something like that. Crazy stuff.

[@anothersamsulekenjoyer]

his pre workout was ampethamine which was prescribed by his doctor. it's a substance used to enhance your focus and usually given to kids with adhd. his rivals at that time were literally illiterate and confused ampethamine with meth lol. it's said that the mentzer brothers died from genetic heart attacks. i felt bad for him after clearly reading everything about him.

[@shakkarugat9184]

​@@anothersamsulekenjoyerRay died of a kidney failure no?

[@assassincodm8450]

@@anothersamsulekenjoyer you did ur research brother, happy to see ur comment ✌🏻 It's these crazy ppl who just believe what they hear. They can actually learn valuable info if they listened to MM with an open mind

[@DG-nb6fe]

Mike’s mid-late 1980s preworkout, 5mgs oral dextroamphetamine, 20mgs Obetrol (original Adderall) Methamphetamine and large McDonalds coffee. As told by Larry Pollock to Leo Longevity. Video is on KZbin.

[@pricklycats]

Unfortunately steroids and amphetamines together are like a guaranteed early death. At least pick one or the other.