Tom speak with Matsson |Succession S4 EP5

[@alex2980]

I like that Kendall backed up Greg.

[@Bethune_Groundstaff]

They have a decent history

[@BatmanHQYT]

I think he was doing it in part to maintain a united front so they don't look like a bunch of unorganized chumps. He learned that lesson hard with Adrien Brody.

[@axis7879]

@@Bethune_Groundstaff Last time they talk alone in season 3 he called him "the worlds biggest parasyte"

[@Bethune_Groundstaff]

@@axis7879 haha fair. I don’t remember that but that’s kinda the show. Musical Chairs

[@TubeSolePursuit]

Tom’s insight into the US news business is truly brilliant and this I think is the reason he does not end up on the kill list.

[@mdavis1992]

Shiv is the reason he’s not on the list

[@TubeSolePursuit]

@@mdavis1992 Shiv has zero control over Gojo’s internal kill list which is what they got ahold of.

[@mdavis1992]

@@TubeSolePursuit I believe matsson allowed Karolina, Gerri and Tom to keep their jobs in order to curry favour with Shiv. He wants her to be his inside line to the brothers.

[@TubeSolePursuit]

@@mdavis1992 you could definitely be right about that.

[@alexk6343]

Not sure about the kill list, but I think Tom would strike a chord with a lot of Europeans

[@BatmanHQYT]

Man, Greg was stringing together such a coherent sentence, and then not only do his words, but the entire... rhythm of his speech just completely tumbles apart like a Jenga tower the moment he tries to make his point. Bravo Nicholas Braun for the expertly delivered failed delivery. There's a musicality to it, even. "Fuckin' don't fuckin' bet against the fuckin'... the fuckin'... the old fuckin, uh, the baguette..."

[@YungM.D.]

The baguette might be mightier than the bagel

[@williamshakespeare9815]

It's like he knew what he was saying, but he had been beat down by Tom so much that he didn't have the confidence to finish it, even though he was more clued in thant Tom.

[@madic7813]

bro this line right here has me in stitches i had to find it here 🤣

[@2infernalaffairs]

2:21 Tom understands the joke as much as we do from the context clues "incest" and "Hapsburg" and genuinely agrees. Another unnoticed Tom W that gradually stacked up throughout the series.

[@TheBigMoof]

"Who are you?" "Well. Therein hangs a tale."

[@Seitanic_panic]

Greg sounds like adult Morty.

[@someangel-shape6797]

Therein lies a tale is one of my favourite Greg lines

[@Pariswasafeast]

Tom’s even more insecure than Greg, Kendall and Roman put together. That’s why he’s been so cruel to Greg throughout the whole show even though now he seems to respect him a bit more (and himself probably). He sees himself in Greg, the parts of himself he hates so much and that’s why he takes it out on him, the only one below him. It’s actually pretty sad he still doesn’t respect himself fully even after climbing the latter all the way to the top of the company

[@jpeg204]

I don’t think he’s been cruel to Greg I think he’s been pretty supportive of him, even though he jokes around and makes fun of him every once in a while it never feels super malicious

[@bluefilmsltd]

@@jpeg204 Yeah, I agree. Tom is more like Greg's older brother and that's how their relationship dynamic works. It's different to how the Roys treat Tom which has a particular cruelty to it because a lot of it comes from class prejudice (Tom isn't from wealth)

[@Vanished_Mostly]

"He's pretty lonely and afraid, I guess."

[@iloveads123]

​@@jpeg204 Roman,Shiv and Logan were more cruel to Greg than Tom

[@ardeleanalex6906]

Impeccable answer from Tom. Madsen was throwing a curveball trying to get Tom off his feet but the answer is both funny, insightful into American psychology and low key confrontational enough to garner some respect.

[@Jon.A.Scholt]

The baguette might just be mightier than the bagel!

[@Seitanic_panic]

The look Tom gives Greg at 0:48 for the pawn sacrifice fucking kills me.

[@BatmanHQYT]

Tom actually gave a solid answer here. Matsson seemed genuinely fascinated to have gotten some actual insight into the attitude behind his rival company's profit center. This scene seemed to reveal a key weakness about Matsson, which is that he misunderstands ATN's business model. He argues that news for angry old people doesn't work, but it ABSOLUTELY does, because the job of ATN isn't to deliver news, it's to win the Republicans elections. His pitch to turn it into Bloomberg News sounds hilariously out of touch. It's almost certainly just culture shock, but one that will cost him.

[@JohnDoe-dk4dr]

The point is that the angry old right wing people are dying off and no one is replacing them. The whole plot line revolves around the idea that only one or two mainstream legacy media outlets will ultimately survive. So the idea to take ATN more mainstream makes sense

[@govardhanposina17]

​@@JohnDoe-dk4dr I mean the alt-right has a ton of followers from anywhere between 18-40 so they could always pivot to making them their primary audience, fox news irl is already trying to get them as a core demographic

[@Ammoniumbicarbonat]

@@JohnDoe-dk4dr Thing is, who’s more likely to cling onto older forms of media? Progressives or conservatives? I’m sure there will be some crossover but I reckon boomer conservatives will hang around the older forms of media like TV and print longer than progressives, who tend to be younger and more tech-savvy.

[@tifany2685]

@@JohnDoe-dk4dr true, the recent episodes highlight how the old gen is slowly replaced by the youngs. "the angry old republicans" is being relaced by a more hip young viewers, even inside the company "the old guard" being replace by Matsson's young employees. The Roys, an "old money" family from the "old world" will eventually be replaced if not by Matsson then it will be someone else simmiliar bc their regular consumer is literally dying and they have no abilities to attract the young people.

[@alexk6343]

Tbh working in tech without a tech background makes me feel like the success of the new tech market got into the head of some people in it where they think all the world is not different but is just stupid. As Logan proved you need to create your own destiny. Old republicans like that will never die but change as there will always be people like that. Roman knows this with his spin on promoting a new alt right. What modern business is fascinated by is creative destruction but overall you build your own world and sell it. As Henry Ford said: If I were to listen to customers I'd breed faster horses.

[@jan9k1]

Love how at 2:21 Jeff and the other side characters, pretend to laugh with the group even tho they dont understand a single word. Had me laughing so much when you understand the joke they are telling

[@guilhermeamaral6915]

What are they saying?

[@BatmanHQYT]

Ray lmao

[@jan9k1]

@@guilhermeamaral6915 They are bassicly saying the Roys are an Incestious family like the Habsburgs

[@lestonthompson8495]

​@@guilhermeamaral6915 They are saying the family tree isn't very tall, but it is wide.

[@govardhanposina17]

​@@guilhermeamaral6915 they call Greg a Hapsburg Giant, basically a royal incest baby

[@BenCanucklehead]

I read a great article in 'The Economist' about this...

[@ram7870]

Quasimodo predicted all this

[@Ammoniumbicarbonat]

@@ram7870 a little dysentery in the ranks

[@ram7870]

@@Ammoniumbicarbonat very allegorical

[@educationprogramassistant5518]

​@@ram7870 whatever happened there

[@samsummer8382]

​@@educationprogramassistant5518 WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE???!??

[@norahfarber7001]

that hapsburg joke was honestly underrated

[@CharlesGnilka]

I’m glad someone else caught that!

[@rusalkin]

b not p

[@Gun_Metal_Grey]

show is filled with historical references, most of them come either from Connor, Logan and/or Ken

[@Gun_Metal_Grey]

and Tom

[@Enoughsenoughnomas]

yea, but the funniest line in the show is just mattson saying "we were just discussing is france going to make it", thats the whole joke by the writers. Its the most douchy elon musk/rogan/andrew tate/shapiro/peterson type conversation

[@michaelorcutt7201]

Tom is literally the smartest person on show

[@Enoughsenoughnomas]

lol, Tom is definatley not the smartest. He's just the guy always caught in the middle, and constantly used by being convinced that he has a chance to rule anything. I think their both hillariously wrong in a sense, first off "Is france gunna make it" is the most douchy elon musk/roganesk/andrew tate/ben shapiro/peterson conversation, and Tom comes in and sounds sort of smart just because of how douchy they are, but I disagree that matsson doesn't understand ATN's business model, he completly understands that ATN's job is to win republican elections, and control narratives ect, he just believes that the "succession" from cable news winning elections to a new form of media/communication/ and "life source" and way to control narratives is going to take over, and thats literally what this shows about. Succession. Its about the different types of successions that take place in history and the roy kids not understanding that the succession taking place has nothing to do with their family, but rather history. This is revealed in the last episode, when ken says he should take over cause "I'm the oldest" and shiv of course corrects him and says "no your not", and she's right its conner. But the form of succession that involved actual blood lines is archaic and irrelevant, which is why conner is so irrelevant in the show, he's almost a metaphor, and why Tom being appointed the head of Royco at the end of the show is irrelevant, because the succession took place when Logan died, representing his form of reign died, matssons took over and Tom was nothing more than, as mattsson put it "a blood rag" to soak up the death of royco/cable news/cruises and all the old forms of communication/transportion. The sea's and news are dead. The succession had taken place.

[@kar12894]

This scene actually prompted greg to have a really good idea in the finale, winkwink

[@YnotNomis]

Quad Squad!

[@BlackMambaForReal]

Had to come see this again after today and the "motion de censure" vote

[@sethcopeland4362]

Tom doesn't know he agrees, but he knows.

[@johnjones3714]

I swear Greg will pole vault his way over the offspring. Just imagine who could make such a decision.

[@YungM.D.]

I never found out if France is gonna make it

[@igormachado2194]

We need a swede to translate what Mattson said

[@Complicatedairflow]

@@Horsemanray what else they say please?

[@rain.enthusiast]

Matt son is basically calling them a circle of incest and the other guys calls Greg 2 meters of nepotism and the habsburg giant (in reference the the EXTREMELY inbred house of habsburg, known for the Habsburg jaw)

[@jeremycothran1062]

Mattsson said: "Har vi hamnat på en sådan så här incetuös släktträff?" - One might translate it as: "Have we ended up at an incestuous family reunion or what?"

[@petekdemircioglu]

@@rain.enthusiast Ahaha

[@alexandertsegay9886]

The full line is basically ''Have we joined a huge incestuous family gathering? 2 meters of pure nepotism over here, the giant of habsburg''

[@currentaf8455]

Surprisingly france has a very high birth rate compared to most of Europe.

[@Ammoniumbicarbonat]

Ireland on top 😤

[@MrTurjacanin]

Of people who at birth get a French passport and dont feel French their entire lives

[@ck88777]

"France" ie people living in France who are not French

[@ChristianLopez-r3b]

You mean Arabs and blacks?

[@madeconomist458]

Do the writers for Succession have a podcast that rhymes with "Capo Slap Blouse"?

[@UzumakiNagato]

0:43 He sounds like Elon Musk today with UK

[@Einwurf95]

Greg Hirsch… Ory

[@stephenmacdonald4443]

On the last show , i so wanted to win but when i watched back he had been for to much idiot/arsehole when not getting his on way

[@iqbalassyraf5058]

Greg Hirsch ory

[@thetranqulizer2605]

France is lost, Matsson was on point with angry arabs and all that stuff

[@Enoughsenoughnomas]

lol, no dude, this line was written by writers as a joke. Mattson is clearly partly based on Elon. And "is france going to make it" is the most classic douchy elon/rogan/tate/shapiro/peterson type of conversation

[@ChristianLopez-r3b]

​@Enoughsenoughnomas I'm sorry how is your opinion on the sound of a criticism of France in any way related to the crappy state it's been in the past 200 years

[@RunningRugby4]

It has problems, but is a nicer place to live in then the US or UK in my experience

[@ChristianLopez-r3b]

@RunningRugby4 its problems are about to get wayworse. Now dosnt matter. That is the problem with you people. Your pathological selfish and re+ar-ded in a wayside you're too caught up with arguing over conditions now while clearly not seeing those conditions changing overall for the worse.

[@special1740]

Will Israel make it?

[@robertcross9047]

kek

[@Friendznco]

France will make it.

[@HPhenomenal]

France is a declining society

[@Primenumber19]

The French demographic question is actually pretty good for Europe. Should have said Germany, now they are up the creek with no paddle.

[@Enoughsenoughnomas]

lol, no dude, this line was written by writers as a joke. Mattson is clearly partly based on Elon. And "is france going to make it" is the most classic douchy elon/rogan/tate/shapiro/peterson type of conversation

[@Primenumber19]

@@Enoughsenoughnomas really? God they are all so lame.

[@patbaxter3538]

Habsburg

[@petekdemircioglu]

Ahahaha

[@Enoughsenoughnomas]

Its so frustrating reading the comments, dude, no one gets this show. lol, I think their both hillariously wrong in a sense, "Is france gunna make it" is the most douchy elon musk/roganesk/andrew tate/ben shapiro/peterson conversation, and thats pretty much the whole joke of this scene, and Tom comes in and sounds sort of smart just because of how douchy they are, but I disagree that matsson doesn't understand ATN's business model, he completly understands that ATN's job is to win republican elections, and control narratives ect, he just believes that the "succession" from cable news winning elections to a new form of media/communication/ and "life source" and way to control narratives is going to take over, and thats literally what this shows about. Succession. Its about the different types of successions that take place in history and the roy kids not understanding that the succession taking place has nothing to do with their family, but rather history. This is revealed in the last episode, when ken says he should take over cause "I'm the oldest" and shiv of course corrects him and says "no your not", and she's right its conner. But the form of succession that involved actual blood lines is archaic and irrelevant, which is why conner is so irrelevant in the show, he's almost a metaphor, and why Tom being appointed the head of Royco at the end of the show is irrelevant, because the succession took place when Logan died, representing his form of reign died, matssons took over and Tom was nothing more than, as mattsson put it "a blood rag" to soak up the death of royco/cable news/cruises and all the old forms of communication/transportion. The sea's and news are dead. The succession had taken place.

[@user-uw6rr5mv9h]

how many times are you going to say the same exact thing in this thread?