Tomac's Shock: Star Racing Refutes Claim of Failure For Eli at Detroit SX | Jeremy Coker

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[@drewsmith3335]

No matter what happens good or bad he has left his mark on the sport he deserves props

[@Htmdlclbcy]

Jett’s better

[@allblooz]

@@Htmdlclbcy Young Jettson is indeed the future, potentially the best of all time, but he still needs seasoning.

[@sapper3504]

@@Htmdlclbcyphaggot

[@sapper3504]

@@Htmdlclbcy🏳️‍🌈

[@DonGH297]

@@Htmdlclbcynope, for that he needs to beat all of Eli’s records first😂

[@Steezy_Mx]

There is nothing ailing Tomac. The sport is at a very highly competitive right now. When you get off the bike for any amount of time due to injury or other reasons, you can’t expect the rider to be where they were at, right off the bat.

[@greglahut42n47]

He smoked everyone a week earlier

[@daneg]

@@greglahut42n47 he also got smoked by everyone 2-3-4 weeks earlier. that really just feeds into the OP's point: he's one of many. sexton holeshot and hid. tomac holeshot and hid. Anderson holeshot and hid. and Jett holeshot and hid. the only outlier in all of this is Eli was 2nd in the first turn at detroit and went steadily backward w/o any actual incidents to explain it.

[@defconone681]

I'm all good with someone getting arm pump shit it happens and I'm a huge tomac fan but my issue is how does a factory team not have more then one suspension setup for different types of dirt knowing your not only racing hard pack dirt all year so this doesn't happen?

[@kevinsnow9157]

That’s wtf I’m saying !!! He won races last year in soft ass dirt . I think the # 3 is just not the same rider as he was last year , unfortunately. Huge Tomac fan and hate seeing it and hate saying it . But it’s true .

[@seanhaberman4619]

Eli seems to be really setup dependent and doesn't like changes at all. Even if they had another option for a shock I doubt he would choose to use it.

[@daneg]

@@kevinsnow9157 not sure how fast he was last year either. oh. he definitely should have won w/o the freak injury. but if you ask me who the fastest rider in 2023 SX was, my answer is Sexton ~80% of the time. Tomac maybe 10-15% of the time. he certainly deserved to win, but it was more like the cagey vet than the beast mode dominator of the past.

[@usualsuspectsfor1k]

Tomac has two 2nd place finishes in mud this season. Their statement makes no sense.

[@daneg]

@@usualsuspectsfor1k you really comparing actual mudders to an unusually rutted and tacky track?

[@wcz61]

Regardless how Eli does this season I am so happy I got to see him comeback from that injury. I look forward to seeing at Daytona boy would I love to see an ET3 win there one more time. Last year was epic. He has accomplished so much in his career !

[@garretthoefer3989]

Always coming through with the scoop. Thanks

[@eriksforestryvision8751]

ET3🤘 Hes riding his races. Keep up the good work!

[@chetmanley7209]

Well that's even worse for him then. Unfortunately.

[@Aretumis]

Yeah,, that's not the info I was looking for either..

[@chetmanley7209]

@@Aretumis Nope. Hearing it may have been a bike issue was easier to accept. Unfortunately, coming back from that type of injury may still have repercussions.

[@Tow_Sr.]

TRUST ME it isn't the truth, hes just Covering there Suppliers asses so he made Eli look Bad. NOT COOL, at all

[@mxr248]

I think Star is hiding the fact something was wrong with that bike setup. Cause he raced that same bike last year. He hardly had any time on it and came to the 1st race dominating everyone. Also the 2nd race. He was also good on the prior Yamaha that was new to him then as well. So they already know what works for him and that bike. That bike and spinning out a lot after so many laps running with Sexton and Jett. He was all over Jett trying to get around. Then after a bit that bike didn’t act the same.

[@kevinsmith1807]

Barcia posted that he also experienced bad arm pump at Detroit...

[@robertcartwright2261]

No matter what happened to him he still the best ever

[@seanhaberman4619]

He's not the best ever. Maybe top 5. But definitely not the best.

[@doglover136_]

@@seanhaberman4619jett will have to break through Elis records and everyone else’s to truly be the best

[@seanhaberman4619]

@@doglover136_ I didn't say anything about Jett being the best. Just that Eli isn't. McGrath, Ricky, RV2, and Dungey all have accomplished more than Tomac. Race wins are cool. But the goal is championships. I guarantee you Eli would trade half his race win for 2 more titles.

[@doglover136_]

@@seanhaberman4619 yes but he's still a legend on a dirt bike especially being second in sx wins

[@seanhaberman4619]

@@doglover136_ Didn't say he wasn't. I don't know what you're arguing about. I said he's not the best. Not that he wasn't great.

[@teresastephens2642]

we will never know.

[@seanhaberman4619]

What are you talking about? They just told everyone.

[@chrisrocha2150]

@@seanhaberman4619you believe everything they tell you? This is a business cover up for sure 😂

[@seanhaberman4619]

@@chrisrocha2150 Not everything you don't agree with is a cover up. There's way more incentive to blame the bike than the rider. How about you think about this critically. Star Yamaha has 3 bikes in the 450 class and like 3 in each 250 class. None of them are having mechanical issues. Eli Tomac has had multiple bad rides this season that have been chalked up to arm pump. What makes more sense, he's having problems, or the bike is?

[@TheHopson]

@@seanhaberman4619I was there front row of the rhythm section, all the star bikes were making a loud screeching sound everytime they landed, no other teams bike were making this noise, even the non star racing Yamahas didn’t screech. Whatever suspension combo they used did not sound right at all! I go to the races every year and have never heard the star bikes make this noise before. At the time we all thought he may had a flat tire because the rear end was all over the place!

[@seanhaberman4619]

@@TheHopson So all the Star bikes made the same sound but only his was broken? Not adding up.

[@JR-ut1yx]

Eli will be back on the box this weekend 😊

[@jeffpickett9730]

My boy will be on the box in Phoenix and all will be right in the Universe again!!

[@QuantumEcho432]

You all remember from a lifelong fan when Elis gone I'm gone. Jett ... na I'm good I have enough little babies who are grown men in my life. The commentating suck... the broadcast coverage is 720p at best.... you can't operate a camera or run a split screen... you diversity hired and it backfired so bad... porn stars in the booth reading off cards... talking over the race to say nonsense... talking or putting video.over the race of crap we have heard 10 times already since practice. The fact all you moto guys get footage nobody else can use and then say the same stupid crap... If there was only a time machine you might get a fan back. There is a lot of us who feel this way.

[@Tow_Sr.]

His bike Pointed Up after every jump, I'm sure he's Going to be 100% in making sure Its not the parts on Elis $100,000 dollar bike , But I don't care , what they say, the BIKE WAS Fucked up, Reviews show it had Zero Compression, and no Rebound. I used to race, I seen it with my own eyes. The Shock was FOOKED ,

[@woodysrockspyro6436]

Looked like he mailed it in after the first few laps. Something was up. He wasn't trying AT ALL.

[@seanhaberman4619]

The amount of people making excuses for Eli or refusing to believe that it wasn't a mechanical failure is just ridiculous. We watched him fall apart at indy last year when he wasn't comfortable. It's not like he hasn't done this before. The only difference now is the pace is faster and the field is deeper. So when he does flounder in races he's going to drop back faster.

[@daltonturner3113]

No he had a stiff, sore neck last year, and that was straight from Tomac himself. An actual physical problem going on that day, further proving that this doesn't just happen without a legit problem. Yamaha is clearly covering the fact their bike failed in the main. Everyone speaking on it but Tomac, that says it all

[@seanhaberman4619]

@@daltonturner3113 Yeah Yamaha doesn't have anything to cover up. They have 2 other bikes on the 450 grid with zero issues and a half dozen 250s with no problems either. Eli isn't the same as he was before the injury and it's very clear. When he's not feeling it he's not going for it. The team would be much better off saying he had a mechanical issue or set up problem like every other team does when their rider struggles. Eli is having problems. You're going to see him struggle more throughout the season. It just is what it is.

[@janthonydrivenpatien]

​@seanhaberman4619 he wasn't even beast-mode last season before the injury. Things have changed.

[@seanhaberman4619]

@@janthonydrivenpatien Yeah things have definitely changed. I doubt we see another season out of him.

[@Jasonrcsd]

I'm not a racer just ride for fun and enjoy the sport. If it is arm pump how do you fix it? I don't recall the Yamaha Tomac getting arm pump before. You'd think after A1 when he got arm pump they'd addressed the issue and fixed things or you'd think that between A1 and Detroit he would have gotten arm pump again. At A2 he finished 5th, 7th (seems low) and 1st for 2nd overall. The 1st in the 3rd Main leads me to believe he still has what it takes to win. Any riders out there...does this sound like a legit reason? Could you tell by his riding he had arm pump?

[@Bthaman69]

Great questions on PulpMX. That other dude was a scrub

[@rogergauthier2769]

Bud how they gonna lie lol you can literally see his suspension just sagging .. specially the end of the race , compared to the beginning my dad literally pointed it out mid race , said "man his suspension looks super soft compared to how he runs it usually, said maybe cause of that tendon " . And I can tell you from experience the dirt being softer doesn't suck the ass end down , its the power of the bike that sucks the ass end down , I've raced soft shit and I've raced solid rock ground. On the same exact setting. So I'm calling bullshit on star

[@chopperenduro6590]

I watched a video earlier today on work break saying it was shim failure in the rear shock so he rode it out to salvage points , crazy shit , broken shock is what happened in the 70's not now days .

[@QuantumEcho432]

Here is my Tomac conspiracy. If Tomac does well and Beats Jett he will never get the fans back. ESPECIALLY shushing everyone and again feeding into acting like a spoiled brat. If Tomac can push Jett he will wad it up and hurt himself. Maybe not even finish the season. If Tomac can come back from that injury and beat Jett all of what people say is just bs hype. TOMAC beat him at 80 percent and made him crash trying to catch him. THE FALL OF TOMAC AND COVER UP MEANS THE CERTAIN RISE OF JETT AND HIS LEGACY WILL BE RAMMED DOWN YOUR THROAT.

[@QuantumEcho432]

The best suspension guy failed is what happened. Or is it a conspiracy you decide. Coopers bike looked really dialed. Weird.

[@jonnycrash7389]

It's absolutely bullshit they had set up problems. I hate how we never get the truth in moto. Most other motorsports would just say what the problem is but we can't be putting bikes or parts in a negative light in moto

[@daneg]

arm pump is actually tomac's achilles heal. so it's very plausible. that said, i think you're right about how much they hide things like injuries and bike setup. it's absolutely laughable listening to deegan hide the facts about his wrist and then his father says something different, and facts leak out that are different still. or like they cannot say what adjustments they made to their bikes between races. like what sexton does to his ktm can be replicated on webb's yamaha anyway. eesh. so silly.

[@edsimon3754]

Easy to fire a tech vs a rider…of coarse there Ganna say rider…but he Deff was tight

[@keetmadu1054]

Team manager could have took one for the team instead throws Eli under the bus by saying, nope not the bike Tomac is just slow.

[@microsoft790]

Lying for no reason is stupid.

[@daneg]

i wouldn't call that throwing tomac under the bus. the team (including eli) didn't have the right setup for a soft and tacky track, which led to arm pump. however, they are a factory team, and admitting they had a poor setup is preferable to letting ppl believe they ride/sell a shit product that falls apart.

[@chrisrocha2150]

@@danegbingo! Remember, they still work for the PRODUCT. They can’t give a negative on the sales for that brand.

[@Jack-by2hg]

I am not doubting this press release, but when I was in San Diego for the race, I could definitely hear a rattle from tomacs bike when he went thru the whoops.

[@joelballard4955]

Complete BS. They never say the truth. He’s either hurt, or the bike broke. Nothing in between. He’s hurt or the bike broke. Tomac doesn’t get arm pump. Ridiculous. I call BS.

[@jpmorgen5726]

Somebody else mentioned it and I notice some odd technique with Eli's left foot...

[@WIIMTheMusician]

It’s a shock it wasn’t the shock, but it was the shock.

[@catmanflorida2839]

I saw a clip of a vid from someone at the race and on a corner Eli snagged his left foot on the ground and it twisted his knee and leg out and back. Dont know if that has anything to do with it, but if that was my knee, I wouldn't be walking.

[@blackfly53]

That honestly did not look all that bad. Anything is possible though

[@dougroberts7073]

ET3 is my favorite rider....Im concerned. I hope he can turn it around!!!

[@TheCiardellas]

ET3 BEAST MODE ♾️

[@shreddinth3gnar775]

I’m not worried for him. He’s always a slow starter and hasn’t raced in a long time. He’s gotta get back into it and it’s a very long season. He’s gonna be the 2024 champ.

[@rodgallagher5566]

Hasn't found rythem,after injury,is hard to find!???????

[@Mikenbikez]

He’s at a crossroads brothers!!! Either go out and win or he’s gonna be replaced!? That’s my boy but that’s just how factory teams work especially a dynasty like STAR!!! And what they’re building, ET3 ain’t gonna sell out his mechanic either he’s 💯

[@mikemilani3991]

I'm calling BS. You mean to tell me with a track walk, Friday and Saturday Practice and heat races Team Yamaha could not figure out they had the incorrect shock on the bike or wrong shock settings for the conditions?? Not to mention he has two other teammates whos mechanics selected the correct shock or shock settings for Webb & Cooper. Eli is a bad ass and would have noticed if his bike set up was off before the gate drop in the main.

[@mikeandrews1899]

Ass kicking's are sometimes hard to swallow. The slide down is more painful than the climb up

[@garyeasdale1004]

Arm pump crossed my mind with 18 23 youngster's just in front

[@nexrace]

So he had arm pump, stuff happens. He just needs to get on the, "dry track roll" and keep goin'!

[@BlackRifleRack]

At pro level you need to keep it pinned per say and hit all your marks. Highly...Competitive, these guys are the best of the best and this year there is a lot of them.

[@taylorlatch2635]

I think he can win one more main and maybe another couple mini triple crown mains this year. Assuming they are having more triple crowns lol. I dunno, too early to tell, really wouldn't be surprised if he got on a little roll and won a few mains. The elite riders so far are of course Jett and Sexton. Third place at the end of the year will probably be a battle between tomac, roczen, webb, maybe anderson since he's riding great but making many mistakes. Hard to beat the two front runners.

[@kelgusthart1789]

Gotta give him the benefit of the doubt and accept the story i guess. He has earnt that much i figure as he has been a true champion of the sport. Time will tell and he needs to show up and perform at Glendale or its not looking good for Eli this season. As long as he doesnt beat our boy Jett i will be cheering him on for a second place from Australia. 😂🇦🇺🤞👍

[@lostinpa-dadenduro7555]

I’m telling all of y’all it’s sabotage!

[@Tow_Sr.]

I agree. Something was Off ,.

[@jdeeds15]

I can't stand it, you know he planned it.

[@Tow_Sr.]

@@jdeeds15 he planned to pass Chase 10 seconds into the race Untill has bike WENT Slam And he had NO Rebound , and he couldn't Quad in the first rhythm section, amd go get Jett. HE Planned to Kick ass at Detroit, but his bike was Set up for a 125 lbs. Boy, and the shock and Spring were Most likely for a 250 .they fooked up and put the wrong part on ET3s Bike , trust me , I've watched the replays 20 times. He was going to win that race , but it was not set up for a 185 lbs. MAN,

[@daneg]

there's a lot of copium in this thread. it's like ppl turn their brains off when it concerns tomac or deegan.

[@mathewpist4]

Had tomac not dominated that final triple crown race I'd be throwing in the towel for him. But I really don't know what to think lol.

[@daviddanz6451]

Leave him alone damn.

[@Neckomeat]

Same thing Happened to MC later in his career

[@mysterious_tim]

Imagine he finishes off his career developing the triumph 450?

[@janthonydrivenpatien]

Never heard of arm pump of a top rider, that lasts the rest of the race?

[@DarrellKeister]

I cannot believe how many people are willing to accept that statement from Coker. I call BS

[@greglahut42n47]

Nothing but damage control protecting the KYB and manufacture. Easy to blame a rider. Watch the race .you can clearly see the bikes rear suspension constantly bottoming out.

[@butchgreene]

Man...Star should keep their mouth shut. Just let him run. No need to talk for him.

[@kevine9986]

Dont diss eli.get your skinny arse out there.lets see what you cant do

[@mcdonald_478]

Its beyond me why you are all loosing your mind over this, guy has 5 months off the bike of course arm pumps going to be a possibility especially since its happened before, plus the field we have last year this would of been a 7th

[@nathandowns369]

Lets hope he rips at az. If not its just not his year.

[@herbcanter2114]

I'll be shocked if he doesn't ride great this coming race.

[@nathandowns369]

@@herbcanter2114 me too dude

[@MrZx357]

I feel like that's a shot at et3, his team shouldn't go against him

[@drjaybee8615]

Yeah, it's not a failure, but still a shock issue lol. Cooker literally said his shock caused his arm pump with it sucking down the rear end 🤣

[@RotoMoto]

It didn't fail, it just didn't work well. Like the Titanic's water tight bulkheads!

[@drjaybee8615]

@@RotoMoto It "failed" to perform well

[@jakebowden4325]

Dang ice man that’s cold

[@kendomina3724]

Personally I like all the riders, they all make up the sport we love, but I sure am missing all those people whining about Jett and saying, you just wait until Tomac is back. Lol

[@donmiller2246]

I don’t buy it

[@Shipman37x]

This is just semantics at this point. It wasnt working last weekend whatever it was so time to move on lol

[@rickbartocetti847]

Its Eli F'n Tomac, they will figure it. Its not like he has been riding like this all year. Give the man a break...

[@roosthrower]

Pigs can fly?

[@QuantumEcho432]

Your not covering this up. James Stewart is doing the same thing. YOU bunch of guys are making it really easy to see who controls you. I can see I have eyes. Get outta here with your BS.

[@gavinjohnsonpnw5626]

He’s riding like Kawi Tomac.

[@reedgalbraith6508]

You mean the same kawi tomac that was back to back to back outdoor champion and SX champ??🤔

[@kev22bmx]

Either arm pump or he really is done.

[@Steve-vt1oo]

This sport will get bigger when EVERYONE LIES OR COVERS UP STUFF! IT'S BS!

[@markogorman5210]

At least he snot injured - which means he's still in it somewhat - but will have to get a giddiup...!

[@FobDoff-dv6rl]

Go straight to John Tomac for the info.... he loves spilling his guts on the manufacturers, there's a familiar pattern developing here... if its not the suspension its the clutch blah blah... Still problems and with all this freedom now to do whatever on their own bikes... In a word COOKED

[@theRooster722]

Yeah but what happened after he switched manufacturers and teams ? He dominated and won everything there was to win, so it's not like his concerns weren't valid.

[@danielresch2975]

No😡😡😡😡😡

[@patbateman6729]

Don't believe anything I hear, no matter what is said. All 411 is top secret in all sports.

[@JimJones-gd2jy]

Shock failure 😂

[@daneg]

more like shocking failure! hehe

[@Runk3lsmcdougal]

Teams a bunch of liars

[@reese3407]

Eli tomac is in the Chad reed zone. His career is basically over. 😮

[@jameswarren2894]

Highly doubt it

[@mikeb4708]

I don’t think he will ride it out as long as Reed did. If he sees that he isn’t competitive enough to race for the win I think he will throw in the towel pretty quick.

[@herbcanter2114]

Tomac is showing no loss of speed at all when hiss bike is working well on a certain track , he's actually faster than he's ever been . If he was in Chad Reed's zone Eli would have not been competitive for the last two years . Where do you come up with this nonsense anyway ?

[@Rubeless]

He is done and there is nothing wrong with that. If you race, you have had injuries, some don’t impact your performance and others drastically do.

[@natel7382]

I think we are witnessing tomacs last season.

[@herbcanter2114]

People were saying the BEFORE he came to Yamaha.

[@natel7382]

@@herbcanter2114 I wasn't one of those people. But Js7 just reiterated what I said. We shall see but Eli isn't going to be content getting 10th.

[@kylestewart8354]

Eli is off the Pace. And we all know why. Its gonna be a long year for the Champ. He just not a 100% maybe never will be again. Thats life. It happens to everyone. Even Beast mode ET3

[@herbcanter2114]

Actually nobody knows why , it's all speculation .

[@daneg]

or...he is 100%, but 100% at (e.g.) 35 isn't the same as 100% at 25. 😁

[@steves5632]

Funny he was "on Pace" the first6/7 laps then started to slow from .2 seconds to 1 to 2 seconds per lap. So the speed was there, something happened.

[@timburks3806]

Like the guy, but it's time to call it. 😢 everybody wants to go out on top, but nobody does. Why? Because when they are on top, they still think it will last. The only way to tell when it's over is poor results. O, you might have a good moto here and there, but the guy was great, made a million, now have fun with the wife and kids. Better to have been a has been then to be like me...a never been. Father time gets us all.

[@herbcanter2114]

Oh pleaseeeeeeeeeee. Eli is as good if not better than he's ever been and he's better than Anderson and Barcia who are the same age as Eli but for some odd reason nobody ever says those two who also have families and children should retire despite always having results far worse than Tomac .

[@DeanoLupi]

I think Eli is mentally done with all of this. I think he just wants to ride without the stress of a championship

[@herbcanter2114]

If you think Eli came back not thinking he was a serious threat to the chip think again . Eli doesn't race to for 2nd place , he knows he's unbeatable when he's on.

[@DeanoLupi]

@@herbcanter2114 i disagree 100%. I think he's mentally done!