TOMBSTONE (1993) | FIRST TIME WATCHING | Reaction & Commentary

[@ShanelleRiccio]

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[@richardbeaton7324]

If you're looking for a Kurt Russell film then Death Proof by Quentin Tarantino is a good one ;)x

[@markcastellanet9672]

This is one of the most quotable movies ever.

[@paddyofurniture705]

Don't pay any attention to those that complain about talking too much.Your Personality is why I watch.Your smile, voice,and deadly intoxicating eyes . If people want a different reaction,maybe They should create Their own channel.😁

[@scottlilley3077]

If you have not already try One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest with Jack Nicholson circa 1975. You will not be disappointed.

[@johncampbell756]

Kevin Costner directed and starred in Wyatt Earp, which came out at about the same time. Bith more accurate and boring. Check Unforgiven, The Man With No Name Trology, Blazing Saddles and Silverado for lighter takes. Ringing was Michael Beihn, professional gets killed actor. He was areece in Terminator (Paxton appeared briefly), he and Paxton were in Aliens. Curly was Powers Boothe who was a pilot in Red Dawn and one of hus last roles was as part of the oversight group of SHIELD in the MCU films. The cowboy who joined Wyatt was Michael Rooker aka Yondu. The shootout in the middle of the film was far less interesting but the extremely famous Shootout at the OK Corral. Even the original Star Trek series did a version of it. Have you seen the show Firefky? A space western.

[@dillonsronce2583]

I have always considered this to Val kilmers best acting role.

[@davidbrannon2627]

I agree 100%!

[@RickJagger13]

i agree hands down!

[@manueleckroad9086]

Completely agree! I feel he was snubbed at the oscars on his role as Doc!

[@randallbollinger9625]

Fact check true

[@Qdub34]

This is one of the best acting roles by anyone, ever.

[@BinkyTheToaster]

In Wyatt's own words in an interview about Doc following his death in 1887, "He was a dentist whom necessity had made a gambler; a gentleman whom disease had made a vagabond; a philosopher whom life had made a caustic wit; a long, lean blonde fellow nearly dead with consumption, and at the same time the most skillful gambler and nerviest, speediest, deadliest man with a six-gun I ever knew." Seems about right, the math checks out.

[@SherriLyle80s]

When Doc Holiday was about to die and he looked down at his feet and said "I'll be damned," it's because he always thought he would die with his boots on. True story.

[@minnesotajones261]

As most good gunfighters knew they'd die in a gunfight, not sick in a bed. Dying of TB made Doc feared as a gambler/gunman as he didn't care about dying as he knew his days were numbered.

[@Phiiy5]

The actual quote was "This is funny"

[@allengray5748]

Awesome quote. But if he died alone, was there a quote to quote?. The Ole if a tree fell etc. Also the ole " When the legend becomes fact, print the legend". Quote by John Ford.

[@williamroper5422]

I remeber when my grandfather's heart gave out and he died at 77 one of the things my father took comfort in was that at least he died with his boots on.

[@peadarruane6582]

I always thought it was because he saw 'the light'

[@ianjardine7324]

Doc is a truly tragic figure a gentleman and a scholar brought low by illness seeking joy in life's pleasures and a quick violent death before his disease could destroy him. Unfortunately his lightning reflexes and complete lack of fear meant no one was good enough to give him the ending he was looking for. Val played him beautifully.

[@hitman142002]

I came here to say almost exactly this. When you know you are dying- slowly and painfully- it gives you such a complete lack of fear that you become legendary. Not only as a gunfighter, but also as a gambler and drinker.

[@CChissel]

They all killed their roles, but Val Kilmer was a huge stand out, his portrayal of Doc Holiday is unrivaled and just amazing. Definitely my favorite character in this film, his one liners are majestic.

[@Viraxii]

you are no daisy, no daisy at all

[@stevegrohowski909]

Unforgiven is an amazing deconstruction of the Western genre, but The Outlaw Josie Wales (both films star and are directed by Clint Eastwood) is an absolute classic! The scene between Josie and Ten Bears is right up there with Quint's USS Idianapolis monolog in Jaws for absolute perfectly delivered dialog.

[@joelwillems4081]

It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of life... or death. It shall be life.

[@3Rayfire]

Unforgiven is one of the greatest pieces of cinema I've ever seen. Clint Eastwood put an intense end cap on his career in westerns and the genre in general.

[@victorcachat7984]

Val Kilmer should’ve gotten an Oscar for this. BTW the end is the most true part.

[@scottdarden3091]

Would you be speaking of when Holiday died?

[@brentbeardsley655]

Kilmer not getting an Oscar was robbery. Probably the biggest mistake in Oscar history. He became Doc and they are synonymous now.

[@OllieByGolly]

"... the end is the most true part... " I was so disappointed when I learned that Wyatt Earp and Fred White (before he died) both testified that White's shooting by Curly Bill Brocius was completely accidental... and that WARREN Earp was part of the vendetta hunt against the Cowboys and wasn't even mentioned in the movie!

[@sdkelmaruecan2907]

We know... the film had poor marketing...

[@jamesalexander5623]

Two Oscars .... One for Each Gun!

[@Drummer2585]

Fun Fact: Billy Bob Thorton - the bully sitting at the cards table, apparently there was an issue with the writers (cant remember the hole story but the point is) the writers never wrote his character a single line so not only was this his first movie ever but he does all his own lines adlibbing. Which I got to say he held his own very well for being in a movie with such a stacked cast even if it was just a few scenes. Great Flick I remember seeing it in the theater when it came out. 👍

[@leftcoaster67]

If you notice, the part where Doc says I have two guns. He not only spins each revolver in the opposite directions but does so while holding his drinking cup. Val had crazy coordination. He should have won an Oscar for his performance.

[@donovanmedieval]

Well, it isn't really surprising, after they snubbed him for Top Secret.

[@leftcoaster67]

@@donovanmedieval They rarely nominate for comedy.

[@cmlemmus494]

At the time I recall hearing that he was the youngest student ever admitted to Julliard's drama department. I'm not sure if that's still true. So he was good naturally then had one of the best acting degrees.

[@poolhall9632]

He was up against some ridiculous films that year, and they were going to choose the culturally relevant ones before the ones with good acting

[@danchristopher7957]

Val could dance too. He was an extremely talented athlete

[@paulmartin2348]

In 1994 "Maverick" with Mel Gibson is a Western/Comedy that is entirely too much fun. Not as hardcore as this but you would probably enjoy it. Great reaction to a great movie. 😄

[@GrumpyOldGuyPlaysGames]

The real Johnny Ringo wasn't anywhere near the blood-thirsty psycho he is portrayed as in this film. He actually was elected to the Cochise County Supervisory Board and served as a Town Marshall for a while (and was by all accounts an efficient, popular, and effective law enforcer while he served in that capacity. Modern-day psychologists have speculated that Ringo-suffered from Bipolar Disorder. The encounter between Wyatt Earp and Johnny Tyler in the Oriental Saloon happened just the way it was depicted, including the later encounter with Doc Holliday and the casual dismissal. Wyatt and Mattie Blaylock were never formally married, and by the time Wyatt met Josephine Marcus Mattie had run off with another man. Josephine in fact, left John Behan for Wyatt Earp. From all accounts, Josephine Marcus was exactly as non-ladylike as depicted. Curly Bill was acquitted of Fred White's shooting because before he died, White himself explained that he believed the shooting was an accident. Brocius used a Colt 1878 Double Action revolver, which was well known for misfiring and hangfiring. Wyatt Earp himself testified on Curly Bill's behalf to that fact.

[@stephenseay3878]

Also the only known photograph of Ike was in a suit and well presented. This is a bit of legends and lies but I did enjoy it.

[@matthewdunham1689]

The Outlaw Josie Wales is one of Clint Eastwoods best earlier movies he directed and stared in. ❤

[@Remmendium]

I came for the commentary, I can watch movies by myself anytime. Keep it up!

[@kschneyer]

Absolutely!

[@poolhall9632]

My favorite part of the film: The Latin showdown with Doc / Ringo. Not only does Doc clown Ringo with the cup, he copies his gun flare with 100% accuracy while shit-faced drunk. Ringo immediately realizes that Doc is better / faster.

[@modsquad20]

Ringo didn't realize it, but Doc did. Doc copied Ringo's movements meticulously, but didn't do it with any speed. Ringo showed his speed and Doc knew he was better than that, which is why he had no hesitation later to play "fight for blood" or go into the final showdown between them.

[@charlize1253]

Funny that Shanelle refers to "western movie tropes" -- a lot of those "tropes" about the Old West actually originated from the real history of Wyatt Earp and Doc Holladay at the OK Corral. The shootout was the most famous gunfight of the Old West, and generations of Hollywood screenwriters ripped it off for their movies. Wyatt and Doc were chronic gamblers: Doc did play an all-night game of poker with Ike Clanton the night before the shootout, and Wyatt did run a Faro table in a saloon; Doc was an extremely polite southern gentleman who was also a deadly gunfighter who carried two pistols when most westerners carried one; Wyatt was a famous sheriff who (along with Bat Masterson) helped clean up Dodge City before coming to Tombstone and was known to have a strict code of honor and hated killing people; Wyatt and Doc did go on a vengeance ride to avenge his brothers; Doc and Johnny Ringo did face off one-on-one in an epic final gunfight. All of these were real events that Hollywood made the archetype for western films for the next century.

[@dnish6673]

No one knows how Ringo died. It was ruled a suicide.

[@jp3813]

Many people believe that Val Kilmer deserved the Oscar that year. Here are the nominees for Best Supporting Actor in the 66th Academy Awards: Tommy Lee Jones as Samuel Gerard in "The Fugitive" Ralph Fiennes as Amon Göth in "Schindler's List" John Malkovich as Mitch Leary in "In the Line of Fire" Leonardo DiCaprio as Arnie Grape in "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" Pete Postlethwaite as Giuseppe Conlon in "In the Name of the Father" Other snubs include Ben Kingsley as Itzhak Stern in "Schindler's List", Sean Penn as David Kleinfeld in "Carlito's Way", certain actors in "True Romance", etc...

[@bossfan49]

Very tough competition that year.

[@3Rayfire]

He should've won. BUT. The competition was stacked to the moon. Still should've won. But he wasn't even nominated.

[@djyanno]

My God, was there another year with THAT much competition? I remember wach and everyone of them and they were maginificent

[@jp3813]

@@djyanno The Best Picture category the year after was also stacked: Forrest Gump, Pulp Fiction, Shawshank Redemption, Quiz Show, Four Weddings and a Funeral. Other possible candidates were The Lion King, Leon: The Professional, Natural Born Killers, Ed Wood, Legends of the Fall, Interview with the Vampire, Heavenly Creatures, etc...

[@djyanno]

@@jp3813 yes that too was strong AF

[@mikeljenks]

“Maybe pokers not your game Ike. I know. Let’s have a spelling Bee.” , is probably my favorite line in the movie.

[@spryttle]

That's quite a statement, considering how crazy quotable this film has become... but can't say I disagree.

[@ArthurSB73]

I have two guns. One for each of you.

[@williamroper5422]

Just reading that line made me laugh out loud and I have seen this movie countless times.

[@joer8432]

I believe it's spelling contest not spelling bee. Loved Val Kilmer in this movie.

[@cdlehner511]

“Not me; I’m in my PRIME”. TB…got a load on; and he’s still better than you!

[@SG-js2qn]

There's various sorts of westerns. "Tombstone" is an end of the century story, where the modern era is encroaching upon the wild west. Other westerns cover the frontier era (with "Last of the Mohicans" an example of a very early frontier tale), on to the gold rush and settler era, the post Civil War era ("Dances With Wolves"), and the end of the century. There's also styles of western film, with the "spaghetti western" being a notable variant. Of that, most people seem to appreciate the "dollars trilogy" of Clint Eastwood in three disconnected movies: "A Fistful of Dollars," "For a Few Dollars More," and "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly." There's a lot of westerns, and I'd say "Unforgiven" and "Tombstone" are two of the best. You should probably take a poll to see one with John Wayne in it. Find out what is recommended as his best all-around western.

[@PaddieMac]

A couple of 80’s westerns that get overlooked are Silverado and The Man From Snowy River. The latter has some of the best horse riding scenes ever!

[@tejoe13]

Silverado was one of the few movies where a young Kevin Costner was perfectly cast.

[@sherigrow6480]

The Man From Snowy River - cinematography excellence

[@michaelholt3222]

Both great movies! The Man from snowy river, is one of my all time favorites! I remember seeing it in the theater when I was 12 yrs. Old

[@rte4634]

Most everyone said that Val Kilmer was robbed of the Oscar for his performance. I agree because I was glued to every scene he was in.

[@renecasillas1308]

Great movie. Val Kilmer should of gotten an Oscar for his role as Doc Holliday. You should watch "Real Genius" with a young Val Kilmer. If you want more Kurt Russell you should watch "The Best of Times" starring Kurt Russell and Robin Williams

[@Dr.Acula76]

My favorite Kurt Russell role is Herb Brooks in Miracle. I'm biased though because I live hockey and that was the greatest moment in sports history

[@iChristyD]

The Best of Times is so good, love Robin’s character.

[@philipsmith8644]

Val was SO good in Real Genius! I hope she watches it just so more people discover the movie.

[@tomking7080]

I’m 45 years old and I seen Tombstone when it came out in theaters with my girlfriend. I have seen it so many times that I lost count. I have read the book and screenplay many many times as well. I have original 8X10 set photos from the movie. When I moved to Los Angeles in 1997 I was in the entertainment industry until 2008. I ended up meeting Val and Kurt and got my photos autographed. Tombstone has been and will always be my favorite movie ever. It’s a masterpiece in my opinion. Val should of won a Oscar for his performance and in my opinion he was robbed of it. It’s cool watching people who are seeing this amazing movie for the first time.

[@shainewhite2781]

This was the very first Western movie I saw growing up and it's also my favorite! Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Sam Elliott, Bill Paxton, Michael Biehn, Powers Boothe, Dana Delaney, Joanna Pacula, Michael Rooker, Billy Bob Thornton, John Corbett, Robert John Burke, Thomas Haden Church, Stephen Lang, Jason Priestly, Jon Tenney, Billy Zane, Frank Stallone, Harry Carey Jr, and Charlton Heston star in this epic western loosely based on a true story. Narrated by Robert Mitchum.

[@davidbrannon2627]

Having Heston and Mitchum involved ,put it on it's own level for me. The movie was awesome, but adding these 2........just pushed it even further.

[@JosephHuntelvisnspiders]

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[@zerpblerd5966]

Powers Boothe is in possibly the best western ever, the series Deadwood

[@Caseytify]

Fun fact: the accredited director was struggling with the movie, so Russell stepped in and did the actual directing. He even cut out several pages of his own dialogue to placate the other actors. I second those who suggested Silverado (1985) Fantastic cast, and unbelievable cinematography. Any personal favorite is Sunset, set in late 20s Hollywood. James Garner stars as Earp giving technical advice to a movie about the OK shootout. Bruce Willis is Tom Mix playing Earp in the movie within the movie. It turns into a murder mystery, exploring Hollywood's corruption even back then. A running gag is "That's exactly what happened. Give or take a lie or two." Not really a western, but it does look at Earp's life in the 20s.

[@alanh.7668]

I have one more great one to suggest, "The Outlaw Josey Wales". Clint Eastwood's directorial debut I believe. A true classic!

[@dunringill1747]

Agreed. One of the very best westerns.

[@SilverBoxStudios]

Open Range with Kevin Costner & Robert Duvall is an excellent western film, and will not disappoint.

[@charlize1253]

There are many movies about the OK Corral, but this is the most historically accurate by far. Some others (the old "Gunfight at the OK Corral") have almost nothing to do with actual events. This one takes some liberties and simplifies things for dramatic purposes, such as making the "Cowboys" seem like a simple street gang wearing sashes when the reality was more complex, but it's pretty accurate on what led to the shootout and what happened during the shootout itself. The final confrontation between Doc and Johnny Ringo is entirely made up because there were no witnesses other than Doc himself who never told anyone what happened; but there were many witnesses at the OK Corral itself. It also has the characters use some genuine 18th-century slang which is why some of what Wyatt and Doc say seems quaint and occasionally hard to understand ("Skin that smoke wagon"; "I'm your huckleberry"; "You're a daisy if you do"). Doc Holliday's last words actually were "This is funny" because he always predicted he'd die in a gunfight (there's a theory that he intentionally provoked gunfights because he wanted to die instead of living with tuberculosis) rather than peacefully in bed with his boots off

[@gawainethefirst]

Both Tombstone and Wyatt Earp (both released pretty close to each other), used eyewitness testimony to re-create the OK corral shootout.

[@gawainethefirst]

The only problem I have with the historical accuracy of this film is that it wasn’t Wyatt, who brought them out to tombstone, it was Virgil. Virgil brought the family out there as he was already established, and had been working as a deputy US Marshall in the Arizona territories for a few years.

[@harryballsak1123]

Doc Holiday didn't kill Johnny Ringo in fact he was hundreds of miles away in court at the time. It's suspected he committed suicide

[@rhettboy1]

I’m sure this has already been covered in the comments, but laudanum was an oldschool form of (highly addictive) pain relief, opium mixed in with some sort of alcohol. Love your reaction style!

[@laudanum669]

Laudanum was the name of my Heavy Metal band. I got it from reading "Jack The Ripper" books, legend has it Jack would tempt his victims with grapes dosed with laudanum. Grapes were a delicacy back then afforded only by the rich elite so for his victims they were hard to resist..

[@jojackmcgurk4499]

DON'T LISTEN TO THE HATERS, YOU DON'T TALK TOO MUCH AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are easily one of the best reactors I've seen on youtube. You talk/pause just the right amount and when you DO talk, it's almost always intelligent commentary, which is very refreshing. You're freaking awesome

[@suprchickn7745]

No one ever talks about the fact that Moses, Charlton Heston himself, has a cameo in this film. I love Tombstone, one of my favorite movies in any genre. I highly recommend Open Range for another great modern Western. Great reaction Shanelle, as always!

[@toddwynn3397]

Val Kilmer also Moses in The Prince of Egypt.

[@claytonberg721]

Or that robert mitchum did the voice over at the start of the film.

[@boogaloobaloo]

If you're going down the western rabbit hole I absolutely implore you to watch "Lonesome Dove" "Dances with Wolves" and "Open Range". I'd love to see a reaction to any of them but even if you don't do them for the channel, these movies deserve to be seen. 😊

[@phila3884]

Real Genius was a late college staple of mine- Val Kilmer was pretty unknown then, but that movie was so 80's, even in the 80's and was always one of my favorites. In the same cult genre I would also put Night of the Comet, a surprisingly smart movie masquerading as a teen sci-fi comedy .

[@TheDgskydive]

Oh yes! Lonesome Dove! Incredible book and movie

[@duanelavely5481]

I'm old (76) & like movies! So sue me. I have run across movies that I somehow missed when they were orig. released. After watching your "Tombstone" reaction video & question regarding other westerns. I remembered another unknown western, "The Last of the Dogmen" (1995). It's set in present time N.W. Montana (filmed in Banff, Canada) starring Tom Berenger, Barbara Hershey, & Kurtwood Smith. Berenger finds the last remaining Cheyenne dog soldiers surviving hidden in the wilderness. I haven't seen it in yrs. so will watch it before turning in tonight. I'll probably order a Blu Ray copy on eBay tomorrow.

[@Asticek]

its a criminal act that Val Kilmer didn't get an oscar or at least a nomination for one for his performance as Doc Holiday in this movie

[@sdkelmaruecan2907]

If you look at Ebert and Siskel's TV review you will see how badly marketed the film was and Kilmer's Oscar campaign was equal to none...

[@bigbow62]

You cut so many of the classic lines of this film ! The beginning part of the movie outlines most of the story, especially the lead characters and doc's sickness. Ending is true story..... TB is real thing....

[@samuelshingleton3869]

Another really great and underrated Kurt Russell movie is Soldier from 1998

[@wheelmanstan]

The Western genre only has like a handful of films that aren't great. It's such a great genre. They have all the ingredients needed to make a good film. Sci-fi is the future and Westerns are the past..they're like time machines. The greatest Western, well it's a mini-series, is Lonesome Dove. It's 6 hours but the best thing EVER filmed. A must see. When it comes to great Westerns, it's Shane, High Noon, The Searchers. And films like Hang 'Em High, Red River, Destry Rides Again (1939) are amazing but most people don't ever mention or react to them.

[@delwynklassen3644]

Such an iconic modern western. Adding voice to any western with Graham Greene in it: Maverick (& Gibson) Dances With Wolves (& Costner) Thunderheart (&Kilmer)

[@GrnChli]

Can’t believe you just skipped over head into a canoe. Did you notice Ike is Col Quaritch from Avatar? 😄 Great video!

[@kevinramsey417]

Shanelle, if you're serious about starting to get into westerns, I highly recommend A Fistful of Dollars, For A Few Dollars More, The Good, The Bad and the Ugly and Once Upon a Time in the West. All of which were directed by an absolute legend named Sergio Leone who is just a master of the camera.

[@Riggswolfe]

I'd also add Silverado to this list and I think she'd enjoy Young Guns for the sheer 80s feel of it.

[@amcgowan1970]

Ok but they're all of the sub-genre Spaghetti Westerns.

[@TheJamieRamone]

@@amcgowan1970 Still western nonetheless.

[@TheJamieRamone]

I keep suggesting these every livestream (at the very least Il Buono Il Brutto Il Cattivo), you think she listens? Maybe now she'll add them to the list. Fingers crossed.

[@vincegamer]

I suggest once upon a Time in the West followed immediately by blazing saddles

[@travisdial1730]

A great western to watch would be open range. Another great one (best western of all time) is Lonesome Dove. It is a mini series made by cbs and came out in 1989 based on the Pulitzer Prize winning novel. Four parts six hours in total. Really enjoyed your reaction to this and all the ones I watch of yours.

[@Maya_Ruinz]

What is wild is that many of these stories during the "Earp Vendetta Ride" were actually more intense then the movie portrays, like Wyatt getting shot at over and over and none seemed to hit during the Iron Springs Shootout. There were eye witnesses that said that Wyatt checked his coat and found seven bullet holes but yet he didn't seem wounded.

[@jamie7713]

Another great western you might want to check out from around the same time this was made is "Open Range" with Kevin Costner and Robert Duvall.

[@petemcfeet28]

Ed Harris who co-wrote, directed and starred in Appaloosa with Viggo Mortensen is an underrated Western that is definitely worth checking out. The periodic attention to set detail is on another level for the genre for those paying attention. 3:10 to Yuma is another modern western that turns in some fantastic acting performances from Christian Bale, Russel Crowe and Ben Foster (who I didn't know at the time, so his performance stood out for me). Then of course there are a couple of masterpieces from Tarantino. Django and The Hateful Eight. Both of which will knock your socks off. I'll tip the scales to my personal favorite of the two, The Hateful Eight as we may never see another western shot so beautifully, ever again. I lived this movie's journey with you chicka, westerns look good on you. I'm looking forward to you being fully immersed and coming out the other side a bit of an expert yourself. Cheers!

[@robg5640]

Would love a reaction to Silverado. It's s really good Western with recognizable names that often flies under the radar and doesn't get the love it deserves.

[@maxducoudray]

I love when Shanelle watches a movie that is outside her usual genres, but is also a big movie movie so she’s likely to enjoy it. Excited to watch!

[@thekevindeucey]

I don't usually post in the comments, but I had to pop in and say hello, well done and thank you. I'm a 54 yo Gen Xer and I must say I have been overly and utterly impressed with your reactions. They are so dynamic. From your silly personality, to your astute understanding of cinematography, script writing, casting, directing and producing. You are hands down my new favourite film critic... And the fun part is, I've already seen these films dozens of time over the span of, what? 6 decades? 70s 80s 90s 2000s 2010s 2020s 😮 Again, well done and keep up the good work. You are a gem. 🫠

[@duanetelesha]

There was a movie made about the same time staring Kevin Costner, Wyatt Earp it tells the whole life story of Wyatt it is a good movie worth watching.

[@deathsurge666]

“Silverado” is a good next stop. Loaded cast, some sharp humor, and also hits a ton of traditional western scenarios.

[@didonna1974]

I love your commentary. Don't change a thing. You're one of the best.

[@sillyvance2202]

Please don't hear those haters you're amazing through & through that's why you're our movie bff ❤ another great reaction..

[@TheycallmeMrWonka]

Depends if it's "hating" or "constructive criticism". Mindlessly being fanboy/fangirl with people, flinging unneeded compliments as you've just done, it just makes people egos overgrow. Humility is ALWAYS needed and is vital.

[@tempsitch5632]

⁠@@TheycallmeMrWonkaThank you. I know what kind of person I’m listening to the second I hear, “haters/you’re so special”.

[@thejamppa]

Both Val Kilmer and Michael Biehn did insane training for quick draw and revolver handeling. This was later real benefit for Biehn who was later in the Magnificent Seven TV series. I remember as Teen I watched that TV series almost religious fervor. P.S. You don't talk too much. Keep it up as you have done so far Shanelle!

[@derekdecker555]

Some more modern westerns I think you’d like Shanelle: the 2010 remake of True Grit, Appaloosa, 3:10 to Yuma and Hostiles are two great ones starring Christian Bale, and Bone Tomahawk. Everybody else, feel free to add more :)

[@BryceHatley]

Would love to see your reaction to True Grit (2010).

[@09Raffytaffy]

We love us some Shan Shan! Haters gonna hate. Just let the water flow and keep your eyes on the crops, because they is be growin! (Translation) You do great things. Most of the people that comment or review have a negative thing to say. So it is likely to see more negative comments than positive... KNOW THIS! 99% of your 60 thousand plus followers wait for you to release a new vod. So just know that. I can say, personally, I really enjoy your commentary on these films. I will miss it when you quit but will be asking for an autograph whenever I might run into you!

[@memikel1489]

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[@jonathancathey2334]

True Grit, Unforgiven, and Open Range. These three Westerns are great movies. True Grit was originally done in the late 60's with John Wayne. John Wayne's performance in True Grit got him an Oscar. Now the remake done in the 2010's. Was also a star studded movie. Well worth watching.

[@claytonberg721]

The remake was directed and written by the coen brothers. Stanfield, Damon, Brolin, Gleeson and of course Bridges. It's better than the original.

[@charlespeliska7054]

I saw this in theaters. It was hugely popular. As a comparison, the film Wyatt Earp was filmed at roughly the same time, and has a very different feel to it. Simply from a filmmaker perspective, it would be interesting to see a discussion comparing the two. Other great westerns are Stagecoach (John Wayne's breakout film) and The Searchers (David Lean, Spielberg, Lucas, and Scorsese have all paid tribute to The Searchers in their own films) just to watch the work of John Ford; True Grit - The Duke (John Wayne) got an oscar for his performance and is a well made film; Howard Hawk made a trilogy of films (Rio Bravo, Eldorado. Rio Lobo) which essentially tell a similar story - I prefer Rio Bravo, but Eldorado is a close second and is usually easier to find. For Clint Eastwood, The Man With No Name trilogy (A Fist Full of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, and The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly) is a must. For more modern westerns, along with Tombstone and Wyatt Earp, Silverado is a great film with an all-star cast, and Apaloosa is a fantastic western. As always, great reaction and commentary! Keep up the good work!

[@Alex-e1o6u]

Yes. Wyatt Earp from Lawrence Kasdan is treating him as a legend, contrary to other movies, that are focusing on the gunfight as legend. Kevin Costner is filmed like a supernatural being. Two moments are graved in my eye. When he stands to avoid his prisoner to be lynched and when bullets are refusing to hit him.

[@moonlitegram]

Yup, the Costner version gets overlooked a lot. I can understand why as it doesn't have the same kind of pacing as this one and of course it doesn't have Val Kilmer's legendary performance. But I still really like Costner's version, and may even prefer it overall. I also like Dennis Quad's Doc Holiday too. I feel kind of bad for him because he gave a really good performance but just got overshadowed by Kilmer's amazing performance in this one.

[@telebender]

Some of my faves through the years.Old school classic westerns: The Searchers, The Big Country, The Virginian, Rio Bravo. 60s/70s: The Good, The Bad & The Ugly, Once Upon A Time In The Old West, The Outlaw Josie Wales, Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid✅️ , Hud, True Grit. 80's to present: Silverado, Pale Rider, Unforgiven, Tombstone ✅️, Open Range.

[@peterteare2782]

So many good westerns. Silverado is an incredibly important western because it reinvigorated the Hollywood western. Open Range was great with Kevin Costner and Robert Duvall, exploring shame, redemption, and loyalty. Unforgiven is probably the best modern western.

[@richsmith6997]

All of those are great suggestions and westerns worth seeing. The original Lonesome Dove mini-series is also excellent.

[@quixote6942]

"Silverado" has Great Cinematography as Tombstone, And Kevin Costner did his own version of "Wyatt Earp". Sam Elliot did a western with his Wife, Katherine Ross, and Tom Selleck called "The Sacketts"... Also a good western. FOR JOHN WAYNE, There's so many, but some of MY favs are "True Grit", "Rio Lobo"/"Rio Bravo"/"Eldorado", "The Cowboys" and "The Undefeated" (with Rock Hudson). The you HAVE to React to at Least ONE Spaghetti Western! Although a Sergio Leone Trilogy, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly is the pinnacle!

[@thomassantillan2194]

This and Unforgven are a couple of my favorite western based movies. Another one I really like is The Quick and the Dead.

[@keithbrown8490]

Comedic westerns to start on: 1939's "Destry Rides Again or 1968's "Support Your Local Sheriff" /Classic Westerns for actors just check out John Wayne, James Stewart, Gary Cooper, Randolph Scott, Henry Fonda. Directors- John Ford, Anthony Mann, John Sturges, William Wellman just to start.

[@nathanhiggins860]

This movie is one of my all time top 10. It's a great film, I think it does hold up because it's a period piece and all the effects are practical.

[@Poss1]

So glad to see this one come up. Excited to share it with you. I enjoy your take on these films. This is a good one. Alright, here we go! :)

[@ShanelleRiccio]

Awesome, thank you!

[@sagoad73]

For a more modern western, "Unforgiven" with Clint Eastwood is good. A couple of John Wayne movies are "The Cowboys" which more of a fanciful tale style western and "The Shootist" which covers a gun fighter who as lived into the early 1900's! Oh, and a very unique western with a VERY spiritual context is "Purgatory"!

[@chadbennett7873]

Based on real people and real events. Wyatt went on to become a advisor in Hollywood to the early Westerns with the top Western stars. He passed away in 1929, so OK Corral was in 1881, and he had a long life after that. Always enjoy watching your reactions!

[@Mr.AimToMisbehave]

Yeah but Wyatt was also a bit of a con man too, but those were different times.

[@tempsitch5632]

“Based on”.

[@o0pinkdino0o]

Director George P. Cosmatos' son Panos Cosmatos made the bonkers but beautiful Mandy with Nicolas Cage which should be your Halloween movie this year. This is a ridiculously stacked cast. Steven Lang (Avatar), Michael Rooker (Guardians of the Galaxy), Billy Zane (Titanic), Terry O'Quinn (Lost) all playing minor parts. Actors stated that being off camera and around the incredible set was a once in a lifetime experience due to the sheer depth of quality of the cast. Val Kilmer's best role. Michael Biehn's best role. And I just adore Powers Booth when he is given licence to chew the scenary.

[@spencerarnold669]

If you're getting into westerns try Young Guns the most 80's western of all time

[@smavtmb2196]

So happy you enjoyed it Shanelle. 👍This is a fantastic movie. Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer were amazing. Doc's girlfriend is terrible as she clearly cares far more about the money then Doc. Lets not forget Sam Elliott with his iconic voice as Virgil Earp. Many know him from Big Lebowski, Road House and more. Shanelle I know you recognized Bill Paxton who is 1 of 2 actors in Tombstone that were both in Terminator 1 and Aliens 1986. (Morgan Earp) played by Bill Paxton was only briefly in Terminator at the beginning as a Punk guy and was loud mouth private Hicks in Aliens. Next is Johnny Ringo actor Michael Biehn aka Kyle Reese in Terminator and was Corporal Hicks in Aliens. Terminator and Aliens were of course directed by James Cameron. Another actor in Tombstone that played a main character in a big James Cameron movie, is Stephen Lang. In Tombstone he is hard to recognize as the bearded whiny/cowardly cowboy Ike Clanton. Ike is very different from his cruel and intimidating character in Avatar Colonel Miles Quaritch. Other well known actors people don't always notice are Charlton Heston, Michael Rooker played Sherman McMasters. He was Yondu in Guardians of the galaxy and Merle Dixon in The Walking Dead. Billy Bob Thornton as Johnny Tyler. A young Jason priestley. I had a big crush on actress Dana Delaney back in the day. I agree her character seems too modern, but she was a real person. However I haven't looked up how accurate this movie is.

[@wiseoldman53]

You give very interesting insight into the film making process, Shanelle! Awesome reaction! 🙂

[@kurthealey6936]

Under appreciated, dark horse... Outlaw Jose Wales. Clint Eastwood still young, yet far more polished than the "spaghetti westerns". Just another wild ride.... Fantastic reaction, you have long since earned my follow....

[@onegemini420]

I love your reactions and how you chat with us. You be you and don't listen to the haters. Thank you for sharing your reactions with us!

[@geraldkramer267]

A follow-up movie: "Sunset" starring Bruce Willis as Tom Mix-western silent era movie star- and James Garner as Wyatt Earp. Earp is hired as advisor in 1929 for a Hollywood silent film ("Lawman") about the life of Wyatt Earp. Murder and mayhem on and off the set ensue with Earp and Mix in the middle of it all.

[@Jim73]

Haters gonna hate. Taters gonna tate. Keep on doin whatcha doin.

[@Lauckitdown]

Loved your reaction. If you want to go with westerns, I'd say Unforgiven and Open Range are fantastic. If you want spaghetti westerns, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly and My Name is Nobody are personal favorites.

[@ciphernine7824]

Laudanum (opium powder mixed with alcohol) was used as a heavy duty pain killer, but was also highly addictive.

[@shaun374]

It’s heroin.

[@ciphernine7824]

@@shaun374 Heroin as we know it today didn't exist in 1881. It was first isolated from morphine in 1874 and was originally used as a "safe" non addictive cure for morphine addiction. It was first synthesized in 1895, and by 1898 it began being marketed by a German company called Bayer. By then it was already known to not be the safe remedy it had been promoted to be, and by the 1900s, heroin abuse and addiction was common.

[@antoniozayas9822]

I'm so happy you liked this movie! The whole cast was great in this. Val Kilmer's best hands down!!! Not to take anything away from Dennis Quaid but Kilmer's interpretation of Doc Holiday was a tad better (IMO).

[@iKvetch558]

Oh my gosh...Shan is going to LOVE this one...I can't wait to see what she says about Val's performance! 💯😁

[@ShanelleRiccio]

HES THE STAR ... and Kurt

[@iKvetch558]

@@ShanelleRiccio I concur...he shined so bright in every scene.💯 A small thing that I have never seen anyone else notice is that, when Doc makes fun of Ringo by twirling his cup like Ringo had twirled his pistol, Doc actually copied Ringo's routine pretty much move for move after seeing it only once...you can tell how much it scares Ringo by the face Biehn uses. Later in the film, Biehn uses pretty much the same look of fear when Doc shows up for the quickdraw duel in Earp's place...it is also a really good performance for him as the bad guy.

[@johanna2076]

Suggestions for other westerns: The Dollars Trilogy with Clint Eastwood, Dances With Wolves with Kevin Costner and Maverick with Mel Gibson! Keep up the great work! 👍😀

[@tehcarey]

The Unforgiven by Clint Eastwood is definitely top of the list for modern Westerns. I'm also a huge fan of Dances with Wolves

[@claytonberg721]

I'm a big, big fan of the coen bros remake of true grit. Unforgiven is Eastwood's best picture and performance.

[@auckalukaum]

So many great westerns. Here are a few of my favorites: High Noon Fistful of Dollars For a Few Dollars More The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly The Outlaw Josey Wales Hang Em High Unforgiven Open Range The Assassination of Jesse James By the Coward Robert Ford 3:10 To Yuma Appaloosa The Magnificent Seven True Grit Cowboys And Aliens (yes, seriously) Leaving out a lot, obviously. Don't be mad, I can't think of everything at once! Although, you can be mad that I did purposely leave out John Wayne movies. I feel like he was a bully and a racist (even factoring in the time he lived in) and an overrated actor. Feel free to hate me for that. As for Tombstone... so many indelible performances. The Kevin Costner film Wyatt Earp may be more historically accurate, but Tombstone is more entertaining by far. Every single performance is top notch, and the entire production design and direction are superb. There's a longstanding myth/rumor/secret that the film was actually largely directed by Kurt Russell, which he denies. In the pantheon of westerns it probably sits in the upper middle of the rankings, mostly due to its performances and direction. It's a loosely based fantasy version of real life people and events and a good gateway into learning more about that period and location. It was all much more involved politically. Wyatt Earp actually testified on behalf of Curly Bill in the murder of Fred White. The case wasn't just dismissed out of hand. The gunfight at the OK Corral was second-to-second pretty accurate, up until Ike comes back with a gun. That didn't happen. The Earp Vendetta Ride, which was a real thing, is way overblown and dramatized. Earp and Hooker were allies previously. Nobody knows for sure who killed Johnny Ringo, but it is largely accepted that he committed suicide. He was found, in real life, as Doc left him in the movie. Collapsed against a tree holding a gun with one bullet missing and a single gunshot wound to his head. Neither Earp nor Holliday were anywhere near Tombstone at the time, as far as contemporaneous newspaper and court reporting indicates. But, Earp's killing of Curly Bill is considered to be extremely accurate. It's a mixed bag, embellished for entertainment. Some of my favorite western stars are Clint Eastwood, Yul Brynner, Kevin Costner, and Ed Harris. Denzel Washington is excellent in the remake of Magnificent Seven, in Yul Brynner's original role. Jeff Bridges is amazing in True Grit, replacing Wayne in the role. You mentioned the women in Tombstone not having much to do. And that was kind of a fact of the era. Women could mostly be farmers, teachers, or prostitutes. All the Earp's wives were prostitutes and none of them were actually married. Mattie left Tombstone and later overdosed on laudanum. Josephine may not have been an actor and may instead have been a prostitute as well. She was super shady later in life about what happened during the time Wyatt was in Tombstone. There's some speculation of elder abuse by her against Wyatt in his later years. There's definitely a lot of reading on the subject that you could do. All of it is interesting. A lot of it is speculation. But there's a lot of forensic work that's been done involving newspapers and legal filings and court appearances that help weed out some of the myth making.

[@kschneyer]

As always, a lovely reaction. Of the *several* major films based on the events in Tombstone, this is one is closest to the actual facts - although even this film speculates about disputed facts (e.g., the level of violence in Wyatt’s vendetta against the Cowboys). Like a lot of kids of my generation, I first learned of the events in Tombstone from (of all things) a Star Trek episode! Although I am not an expert in the western genre, the following films are central and wonderful: Shane; The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance; The Big Country; Silverado.

[@gary_payton]

You must watch the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. I mean, it's required to have any street cred when it comes to westerns. Plus, the score. My god. It's a sublime work of art by Ennio Morricone. I would also recommend Unforgiven, which is a deconstructed western. High Noon is also a favorite of mine. Though frequently copied, none hold a candle to the original. My favorite "copy" would be Outland, a 1981 film starring Sean Connery where it is set in space.

[@adroit1967]

Saw this in theaters multiple times growing up. It’s remained one of my all time favorites. Val Kilmer is incredible. This shoot was heavily troubled and it’s fairly well known that Kurt Russell actually directed the majority of it.

[@Riggswolfe]

I'd say it's more widely believed than well known. To my knowledge no one has ever confirmed it officially, including Kurt Russell himself.

[@eolson1964]

@@Riggswolfe Yes He did. He confirmed in an interview 10 years after Cosmatos's death. Kurt also said he waited 10 years out of respect of the man's family to say anything. Both Michael Biehn and Val Kilmer spoke of it in interviews too.

[@Riggswolfe]

@@eolson1964 Huh, well, mystery solved. Guess I hadn't heard those more recent interviews.

[@bossfan49]

@@eolson1964 Yeah I watched all those interviews and a few short documentaries on the making of. This was Kurt's baby. He held everything together during the turmoil... directing, assisting in script adjustments, keeping morale up etc. This project was very near and dear to him. He and Goldie named their son Wyatt.

[@russcarvertruthjedi259]

Some of the Best Westerns I've ever seen. Dances With Wolves, Silverado, True Grit with Jeff Bridges, hailee Steinfeld and Matt Damon. This one was an HBO film, but it is John Cusack's best film and it was written by his dad, the Jack bull. Make sure you have kleenex if you watch it. And it is a pre Western, because it precedes the American Revolution, but it's similar genre; The Last of the Mohicans which has the best soundtrack I've ever heard.

[@xavvi]

They didn't have to build the town on a location - it still stands basically as you see it in the film, even today. And despite some dramatization, most of the events happened pretty close to this. Yes, that includes the Wyatt walking on water scene

[@harryballsak1123]

You mean like Doc killing Ringo?

[@stephenmason2151]

Silverado with Kevin Costner, Scott Glenn, Danny Glover, Jeff Goldblum and Brian Dennehy among othere.

[@robertlopez628]

I love that you give insight into movies. If people complain you talk too much, then they obviously don't appricate the commentary. I can watch movies alone but I like the reactions to someone who watches a movie that I like, watching it for the first time.

[@pjb3583]

Wow, you are brave trying to guess the budgets of these films. Well done for trying! I’m glad you’re finding the Western genre rewarding. It was a staple of movies for so long and then it just dropped off the roster for quite a few years. One of the films that helped to bring it back was Silverado, a love letter in the form of a modern Western. It has Scott Glenn, Kevin Kline, Danny Glover and a young Kevin Costner for the primary cast, and yes, they built a Western town for the production. As for Tombstone, did you know Kurt Russell was a child actor? He really has grown up in front of our eyes. And I swear Sam Elliott can make me swoon with a simple “Howdy.” That man and his voice! Loved your reaction, as always. Peace …

[@scottstevens7639]

In the ongoing tradition of competing projects in Hollywood, there was another movie dealing with this same period starring Kevin Costner simply titled “Wyatt Earp”. This would be a good thing to react to for comparison’s sake if nothing else. It’s been quite a while since I saw it, but I remember it being highly rated. “Unforgiven” earned a few Oscars and deservedly so. It’s a classic and deserves a reaction.

[@alienwarmachine6011]

If you're looking for more westerns, you really need to watch True Grit (1969) with John Wayne (he won an Oscar for it), and The Outlaw Josey Wales with Clint Eastwood. Two of my all-time favorite movies regardless of genre.

[@johnwaga3702]

A great reaction to a brilliant film.

[@ericclarke1789]

Haven't you ever heard of the famous gunfight of the O.K. Corral in Tombstone, Arizona?! Anyways it's a very cool place and everyone should go there sometime...

[@mikefetterman6782]

I have been to Tombstone (where they shot this movie in AZ) It is about an hour or so southeast of Tuscson. You can still watch re-inactments of the shoot out at OK corral, have a drink at the Crystal Palace or Big nosed Kates, or the Oriental. The main street is set up with local tourism gift shops.

[@misterkite]

They didn't film in Tombstone.. they shot most of it at Mescal and Old Tucson Studios. Old Tucson now does live stunt shows and stuff. They're currently doing Nightfall since it's October. Haunted houses, mazes, and such.

[@RoosterCogburn1008]

I encourage you to go on a Western streak, but if you do please check out some of the older ones, particuarly John Wayne. Get a sense of what the genre was in its heyday, not just the modern deconstructions (many of which are great, but they're not a full picture). For instance, there are several Clint Eastwood movies you ought to watch before Unforgiven, like the Dollars trilogy, The Outlaw Josey Wales, Pale Rider, Hang 'Em High, etc.

[@donovanmedieval]

There are a number of movies based on this incident. One was My Darling Clementine directed by John Ford, and starring Henry Fonda as Wyatt. THere was alos Gunfight at the OK Corrall with Kirk Douglas and Bert Lancaster. Evan the original "Dr. Who" and "Star Trek" did their own versions.

[@sallyatticum]

Oh, but the Doctor Who episode was sooooooo baaaad. hahaha

[@allengray5748]

NICE! I forgot about the Star Trek episode. Also The awesome JAMES GARNER played Wyatt Earp and JASON ROBARDS played Doc Holliday in HOUR OF THE GUN.

[@scottdarden3091]

The most factual is Wyatt Earp starring Kevin Costner. Far more factual than Tombstone.

[@donovanmedieval]

@@sallyatticum Just the accents, as I recall.

[@donovanmedieval]

@@allengray5748 James Garner reprised his role in a movie directed by Blake Edwards about Wyatt Earp's time in Hollywood with Bruce Willis as cowboy actor Tom Mix, and Blake Edwards' daughter as Tom Mix's girlfriend, also starring Mariel Hemingway and Malcolm McDowall. But I forget what it was called.

[@davidnagel5795]

Keep talking, that's why we are here to hear your opinions and thoughts on movies. A fun 80' western is Silverado, A large cast of actors from the time. My favorite remake is True Grit if your are looking for something newer. You also need to check out "It's a mad, mad, mad world" a who's, who of famous comedic actors from the 30's, 40's and 50's.

[@Berg126]

This and the Young Guns movies are what I grew up with, it really made me love westerns, with A-list actors before they were a-listers

[@mikeydubbs8565]

I was obsessed with Young Guns when I was a kid!

[@allengray5748]

YES! Forgot about Young Guns. " They can't see us. We're in the SPIRIT WOULD". Good stuff!

[@allengray5748]

DANG PHONE! We're In The SPIRIT WORLD!

[@Berg126]

@@allengray5748 did you see the size of that chicken!!!!

[@allengray5748]

I'll make you famous!!

[@herbertragan5849]

One of the most romanticized AND one of the most accurate portrayals of Wyatt Earp.

[@mattsmith7490]

I think you would enjoy the film "True Grit". This is the movie in which John Wayne won his Oscar in 1969. Then you can watch the Cohen Brothers remake from 2010 and compare the two. It is very interesting how two movies can both tell the same story in different ways and both be excellent. There is a very heated debate on which one was better. They were both based on the 1968 Charles Portis novel. Strong cases can be made for both films because they are both so amazing. But the correct answer is the original 1969 version because it was John Freakin' Wayne! Also, "The Searchers" was one of the best westerns ever made. It is the movie Wayne should have got the Oscar for.