Tombstone (1993) First Time Watching! Movie Reaction!!

[@TBRSchmitt]

This was spectacular with Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer just taking the movie over! We can't wait to experience more Westerns! Thank you all for the support and the suggestions!

[@williamsmith5340]

One of my favorite movies

[@KIKO-xy8ix]

They both rocked it like you both rock on YT 😁👍

[@Ant-bm1qk]

You guys are the best! Please check out “Book of Eli” starring Denzel Washington.

[@banx757]

Western Suggestions: Open Range, Silverado, The Outlaw Josey Wales, The Quick and the Dead, Unforgiven, 3:10 to Yuma (2007 remake), Dances with Wolves, and Blazing Saddles.

[@tommywilburn1477]

If you guys liked Val Kilmer in this I believe you guys would like Ghost In The Darkness

[@kenlangston3451]

Val Kilmer wasn’t even nominated for a Best Supporting Actor Oscar but he should have been.

[@wolviespartan]

Unfortunately the people that mattered only realised how good his performance was some time after the movie was released :(

[@kenlangston3451]

@@wolviespartan To be fair 1993 was a stacked year in that category. Tommy Lee Jones in the Fugitive, Leonardo DiCaprio in What’s Eating Gilbert Grape?, John Malkovich in In the Line of Fire, Ralph Fiennes in Schindler’s List and Pete Postlethwaite in In the Name of The Father were all nominated. In the Name of the Father is the only one I haven’t seen but all the others were incredible performances. Still Kilmer should have nominated.

[@matthewgrand4791]

Agreed. But I really liked Dennis Quaid's version of Doc Holiday (just a year later) as well. . . though he played him a bit differently.

[@EchoFoxtrot21]

@@kenlangston3451 I'd still put Kilmers doc over Tommy Lee Jones performance and I believe he was the one who won.

[@TReynard11]

Goddamn, that is a fucking tragedy. He should at least have been nominated.

[@RustinChole]

“I found him a loyal friend and good company. He was a dentist whom necessity had made a gambler, a gentleman whom disease had made a vagabond, a philosopher whom life had made a caustic wit. A long, lean blonde fellow nearly dead with consumption, and at the same time the most skillful gambler, and the nerviest, speediest, deadliest man with a six gun I ever knew.” -Wyatt Earp

[@w1975b]

it's a shame iodine couldn't be/wasn't used to help Doc, it had been discovered in 1811

[@filthycasual8187]

@@w1975b Was it discovered to have any effect on TB?

[@tomking7080]

Wow,what a great quote. Val killed that role. Definitely a Oscar winning performance. Tombstone is my favorite movie. I’ve seen it and have read the book to many times to count. Val should have gotten a Oscar for it but unfortunately he didn’t. Very disappointing.

[@tomking7080]

@@w1975b This took place in the 1890’s so what would iodine be used for?

[@w1975b]

@@filthycasual8187 iodine is probably the most broad spectrum anti-pathogen known to us, you tell me. Why do people who don't know anything about the subject give the impression they're offended by new info? Do a simple search on iodine + tuberculosis, since I can't share external links anymore on youtube.

[@michaelccozens]

I recall hearing that Kilmer stayed in character throughout shooting. After the film, Michael Biehn was asked what it was like to work with Val. "I've never worked with Val Kilmer", he replied; "I've worked with Doc Holliday".

[@potterj09]

Hell's yes, I love them both. They were part of that golden age of character actors capable of action scenes.

[@melissamcfarlin6840]

There is some behind the scenes footage on KZbin interviewing Val. He was in kind of a half in/half out of character state.

[@penoyer79]

Kilmer and Biehn also staged their final gunfight themselves... made it very close and intimate preceded with the circling of each other.

[@TheXerosyn]

My absolute favorite movie ever, Val Kilmer was robbed for an Oscar in this.

[@differencemaker242]

Was he even nominated? His performance is remembered long after.

[@potterj09]

Barber! You may proceed sir !

[@musicaltheatergeek79]

@@differencemaker242 Val Kilmer was nominated for two MTV Movie Awards -- Best Male Performance and Most Desirable Male. He lost the former to Tom Hanks in *Philadelphia* and the latter to William Baldwin in *Sliver.*

[@differencemaker242]

@@musicaltheatergeek79 well years later, who remembers Silver? And while I'm sure Hanks was good in Philadelphia, Tombstone is a bona-fide classic. Philadelphia is on...pay- per-view.

[@tomking7080]

Mine as well. He definitely was. Disappointing!!!

[@ronniestanley75]

This movie had some of the best one-liners ever! "I'm your huckleberry". "It's like playing cards with my brothers kids". "Go on. Skin that smoke wagon! See what happens". I love the dialog in this flick.

[@benjaminrupe5930]

My favorite is "Your friends may get me in a rush, but not before I make your head into a canoe."

[@teddyj5187]

Maybe pokers not your game. I know let's have a spelling contest.

[@tomking7080]

@@teddyj5187 That’s the best line

[@vickilawrence3676]

The whole dialogue from Wyatt Earp, All right, Clanton... you called down the thunder, well now you've got it! You see that? It says United States Marshal! Take a good look at him, Ike... 'cause that's exactly how you're gonna end up! The Cowboys are finished, you understand me? I see a red sash, I kill the man wearin' it! So run, you cur... RUN! Tell all the other curs the law's comin'! You tell 'em I'M coming... and hell's coming with me, you hear.!! Hell's coming with me!!!!

[@rcherry1978]

@@vickilawrence3676 "You're a good woman or you maybe the antichrist "

[@1938superman]

Val Kilmer's portrayal is the gold standard for Doc Holliday in film. Even though they took a lot of liberties with the actual history, Kilmer's portrayal was amazing and the best part of the movie.

[@TowGunner]

Absolutely. Kilmer should have won an Academy Award for his portrayal of Doc.

[@Jedimaster552]

Agreed i rekon good standard for any movie not just doc. Amazing performed an oscar would have been well deserved

[@Jedimaster552]

@@TowGunner totally agree with you he was amazing

[@BranDZ7]

I like Val Kilmer but I preferred Kirk Douglas

[@jamesbednar8625]

Agreed!! Cannot read anything about Doc Holiday without picturing Val Kilmer. Like reading about Patton without picturing and hearing the voice of George C. Scott.

[@doYYY-gq1ox]

There's a very famous actor with a cameo young people wouldn't know. The actor who played the owner of the cabin who took in Doc is Charlton Heston. He played in a number of westerns as well as other drama roles. His most famous roles are Moses in The Ten Commandments and one of the astronauts in the original Planet of the Apes.

[@ClickToPreview]

Yup noticed that too. He passed away 15 or 16 years after this movie was released. God bless Charlton Heston.

[@TheTerryGene]

His most famous role was that of Judah Ben-Hur in Ben-Hur. He was awarded the Academy Award for that Biblical classic.

[@michaelterry3885]

I was a little bummed that they didn't know who he was... What a Legend

[@UnlicensedOkie]

@@ClickToPreview one of his last roles was in the remake of planet of the apes with mark walberg

[@AregPone]

"Soylent Green is people! It's PEOPLE!!"

[@1938superman]

It's astounding to think of the fact that Wyatt was only 31 years old when they arrived in Tombstone in December of 1879. He died at 80 years old in January of 1929, and the reason that there were western film stars at his funeral is because in his later years he worked as an unpaid film consultant on silent western film sets.

[@thoriated]

A young Marion Morrison(John Wayne) worked as a grip on those film sets, and he was fascinated by Wyatt Earp and his stories. John Wayne's iconic walk, talk, and screen persona are based on his impression of Wyatt.

[@michaelceraso1977]

yes and JOHN Ford had met him, and said that his interpretation of the OK Corral shoot out is close to what W Earp explained to him and portrayed in MY Darling Clementine film wth Hank FONDA

[@Philbert-s2c]

This is kind of addressed in the 1988 film "Sunset" which stars James Garner as the aging Wyatt Earp who goes to Hollywood to work with Tom Mix (Bruce Willis) and ends up investigating a murder. Nothing to do with actual history but it's a lot of fun.

[@LA_HA]

@jorluo I wonder if there are images, audio, and film with him, but we just don't know it. Is that possible?

[@LA_HA]

@jorluo I meant on a movie set. And I agree with you that there may be one in a vault or some turn of the century director's attic. haha

[@chriscombest]

Tombstone is considered to be one of the greatest Westerns of all time. It's my favorite for sure. Robert Mitchum is the narrator who starred in so many Westerns over the years, and the old man on the horse whose farmhouse where they nurse doc back is Charlton Heston, Moses himself.

[@utcnc7mm]

I don't think they recognized Charlton Heston or Dana Delany. But they are a lot younger than me and I guess the work Heston & Delany are known for was before their time.

[@potterj09]

Ohhhh man I never knew it was Robert Mitchum, I was 12 when Tombstone came out but I remember his voice among these older actors from sunday afternoons watchin movies with my dad. Everthing from Force 10 from Naravone, to Von Ryan's Express, to Ben Hur, to Escape from New York. haha :)

[@davidkessinger1581]

@@utcnc7mm They are bound to eventually react to Charlton Heston movies like Planet of the Apes, Soylent Green and Omega Man.

[@utcnc7mm]

@@davidkessinger1581 I would also like to see them react to “Support your Local Sheriff”starring James Garner. I think most of their movie selections are based upon their patreon polls.

[@Dooklawz]

by far, the coolest part of this excellent movie was Doc Holiday announcing to Johnny Ringo " I'm your huckleberry" as he emerged from between the trees at the site of the duel. Of course Johnny was expecting Wyatt...and knew he could out-draw Wyatt....but upon realizing that Doc actually showed up....the look on Ringo's face was beyond priceless.....he knew his card just got pulled..... love this movie, great reaction !

[@camdenss19]

Alot of people think it's huckleberry it's actually huckle bearer, a huckle is the handle on a coffin, he was telling him he would walk him to his grave.

[@thepunadude]

HIS TICKET PUNCHED

[@derekdecker555]

Favorite bit of dialogue: “Wyatt Earp is my friend.” “Hell, I have a lot of friends.” “I don’t.”

[@willgold9989]

The badassery of this film cannot be overstated. The cast, the cinematography, the script, the character development, the fact that Kurt Russel ghost-directed the movie, and Val Kilmer went full method for what might be the defining role of his career…Powers Boothe, Michael Biehn, Stephen Lang, and Sam Elliott’s fucking mustache? This movie deserves its own time capsule.

[@IndyMotoRider]

Frank Zane, Jason Priestly and Charlton Heston to name a few others.

[@minnesotajones261]

Sam Elliott's mustache deserves its own movie...

[@Mortismors]

@@minnesotajones261 this movie deserves an Oscar just for all the mustaches.

[@jacob4920]

@@minnesotajones261 That dang mustache needs an ACADEMY AWARD! Because nobody else's mustache will ever be so recognizable!

[@jacob4920]

@@IndyMotoRider Michael Rooker, too. Only after "Guardians of the Galaxy" came out out did I go back to this movie, and, for the first time, shouted "Holy Shit! That's YONDU!!" lol

[@owenjohnson1212]

If you guys like Bill Paxton, you should watch “Twister” from 1996 He’s the lead in that movie and it’s a really good film.

[@jeffburnham6611]

Plus he doesn't die lol

[@josephamoraz7990]

The scene in twister with Bill Paxton and Philip Seymour hoffman looking up at the sky hits harder now.

[@ahoyforsenchou7288]

Twister (and Helen Hunt) has received a lot of shit over the years, but I'll always have a soft spot for that movie. It's just too fun and the character interactions are superb.

[@TreyBlythe]

I like Twister, but it's absolutely not a "good film."

[@jacob4920]

@@jeffburnham6611 He doesn't die in "Apollo 13" either, lol. These two really need to watch some Bill Paxton flicks where Paxton survives!

[@JnEricsonx]

12:02-Notice that Doc imitated ALL of Johnny's moves with his cup. Irony, I met both Val Kilmer and Michael Biehn about 2 months apart back in 2019. Cool to meet them, sadly Val was not really able to talk due to his surgery.

[@kimtalley4496]

" You're drunk you're probably seeing 2 of me right now" Doc: " I have 2 guns 1 for each of ya." My favorite line of the entire movie.

[@asterix7842]

Doc definitely had all the best lines.

[@josiahzabel8596]

while flipping them in opposite directions

[@slaymakerprime]

​@@josiahzabel8596I never understood how so many people miss this trick. It's a trick that takes quite a bit of practice to do well.

[@DynomitePunch]

i always loved this line, but i feel like it'd have been a little bit better if he'd sais four guns instead of two, sticking with the seeing double joke, but that's just me

[@MrRyguy2112]

Probably Val's best performance. Also the drink Maddie had was laudanum, a beverage made with opium. Great reaction!

[@Pengi_SMILES]

was going to say this. Absolutely iconic. "I'm your huckleberry".

[@andrewhussey4538]

Val at his peak was just unreal, just inhabited roles whole cloth, this, his portrayal of Jim Morrison in The Doors, Heat, willow, the Saint...guy was top notch. One I always loved of his was Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, not as serious a role but his chemistry with Robert Downy Jr. Was just entertaining as all hell

[@matthewgrand4791]

@@andrewhussey4538 Take out The Saint, subbing in the Lonesome Dove role and I'll agree with you completely.

[@andrewhussey4538]

@Matthew Grand I always really liked the Saint lol, not quite God tier plot but a fun bondesque adventure and u thought it giving Val a chance to stretch out, playing a Russian agent, a starving artist and so on all in one role really put his ability on display :)

[@Braincleaner]

a major oscar snub

[@taylorcoley6329]

The scene where Wyatt is wading through the river actually happened. There were a dozen men firing all over the place and Wyatt never so much as got grazed.

[@Warcodered01]

and then he basically cut Curly Bill in half with both barrels of that shotgun.

[@wiseguymaybe]

I did a look in this incidence and I think it's just a story. I believe that Wyatt Earp actually ambushed Curly Bill, although Curly Bill did get the first shot before Wyatt brought him down with a shotgun and according to Earp he did handle the rest of the cowboys himself as everyone else in his party ran out on him. But what you see in Tombstone is not exactely what happened. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKrOZmuHhNyqmc0&ab_channel=InRangeTV

[@dalecrowe7757]

I've also heard that when Wyatt looked at that big, billowing duster he wore they counted something like fourteen bullet holes. It was one of those "just ain't my time" moments.

[@fletchbundy]

Wyatt didn't ambush anyone. He road into the Cowboys and his posse ditched him. The Cowboys lit him up and somehow everything missed snd Wyatt won. That was the end of his crusade. Kurt himself talked about it in an episode of Gunslingers.

[@keithmays8076]

Just the luckiest gunman ever. Both him and Curly had double barrel 12gauges loaded with triple aught buckshot (basically a fist-full of .32s firing at the same time), and they were 50feet from each other before Wyatt let loose both barrels. Anything at that range became ground chuck. And when he tried to ride away, his gun belt slid down his legs hobbling him around his knees. So all the while this is happening, Curly's boys kept on shooting at him. Finally, after getting his belt up, Wyatt rides back to his buddies and that's where he found his coat shredded on both sides from triple aught buck and .45s, three holes through his pants, his saddle horn sheared off, the heel of one of his boots shot off, five through the crown of his hat, and three through the brim. His guardian angel was working overtime that day.

[@TBoNAtl]

The Outlaw Josey Wales is a must watch in the Western genre. Great job with Tombstone, I love that movie!

[@Tien1million]

Love Josey Wales, but nobody ever mention it when talking about Clint.

[@TBoNAtl]

@@Tien1million Yeah they tend to forget High Plains Drifter too

[@gravitypronepart2201]

"Dyin ain't much of a livin boy." My favorite Clint Eastwood quote until; "Get off my lawn!"

[@jeffdetmer4681]

Hi guys. This was all based on real events and people. The 3 guys who told Wyatt they were with him were not all cowboys. Two of them were the 2 Jacks from the beginning of the movie where a guy was shot for calling him a liar and a cheat. In the very start at the wedding, one of the cowboys (with the curly hair) looked disgusted when the other cowboys killed those mexican police and the others. That was McMasters. He was the body that was dragged. Really nice reaction!

[@zachariahlloyd6043]

*Kilmer* owned this part, absolute *CRIME* that he didn't get an Oscar nod for this part!!

[@themrnails]

I've always wanted Val to receive some sort of nomination for his fabulous performance. Absolutely BEST supporting actor.

[@barry.m9681]

One of the greatest western’s ever would be Clint Eastwood in The good the bad and the ugly

[@Haxmaxxen]

The whole dollar trilogy was amazing and once upon a time in the west aswell. Sergio Leone and Ennio Morricone was magic.

[@anthonyzarate9807]

Yes, and Eli Wallach is great in it!

[@Nakna_ankaN]

Anyone who is into westerns and hasn't seen it should check out Open Range from 2003, starring Kevin Costner, Robert Duvall and Michael "Dumbledore" Gambon; playing a bad guy.

[@Hugovika]

Open Range is incredible! great call

[@jeffreydavid6794]

Lonesome Dove will always be the greatest western of All time to me. It is Robert Duval and Tommy Lee Jones' best performances ever.

[@randall-king]

Open Range is great.

[@laurenherda2415]

@@jeffreydavid6794 yes my favorite too

[@matthewgrand4791]

@@jeffreydavid6794 Open Range and Lonesome Dove, both starring Robert Duvall. And Val Kilmer was great in the LD prequel Comanche Moon ;^)

[@cytorakdemon]

"This isn't your fight, Doc." "That is a hell of a thing for you to say to me." While on the beat as a peacekeeper in Dodge City, Wyatt was saved during a bad bust by a passing Doc Holliday.

[@alanela6761]

"Bill Paxton never gets to live"... that is very true. He holds the wonderful distinction of being the only actor to be killed by an Alien, a Terminator, and a Predator

[@MellenBerger]

what about Lance Henrikssen..

[@alanela6761]

@@MellenBerger do Androids die, or get killed? If they do, i could go with only human character killed by all 3... I actually don't remember seeing him get killed on screen in Terminator, either, although I cannot recall if they said anything about all the police at that station being killed

[@johnadams6154]

@@alanela6761 bill was 1 of the 3 metal heads with blue mohawks killed by arnold for clothes in the beginning of T1.

[@alanela6761]

@@johnadams6154 yes, i know. That's part of what i said

[@DookyShoes1]

So...game over?

[@sydhamelin1265]

The scene at the river, where Earp walks out in the middle of the gunfight, apparently happened as depicted. The witnesses (that lived) said he walked out and Curly Bill shot at him point blank and missed. Apparently he had bullet holes in his jacket from missed shots.

[@markhamstra1083]

Much of the movie is based in historical accounts, but I’ve got to believe that reality was more mean, crude and tawdry than dramatic, epic and backed by a stirring score.

[@keithmays8076]

"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

[@sydhamelin1265]

@@markhamstra1083 Yeah, the movie glosses over Earp's vendetta being as outlaws. Brief mention, but still in a hero's light. I did love their appearance in Deadwood, that felt like it was probably more who they really were, but I never looked into that representation.

[@matthewgrand4791]

@@sydhamelin1265 Funny you should mention Deadwood as there are certain symmetry(s) to Tombstone~ Starring Paula Malcomson (Allie Earp/ Trixie) and Powers Boothe (Curly Bill/ Cy Tolliver)

[@sydhamelin1265]

@@matthewgrand4791 Yes! Powers Boothe was incredible in both. I did NOT know that was the same actress for Allie and Trixie, wow, she just looks very different - gorgeous in both, but the characters are so wildly different.

[@deathsurge666]

Another great 80’s Western is Silverado. Another hugely stacked cast, like Kevin Costner, Danny Glover, Jeff Goldblum, and Scott Glenn, and a classic good guys Vs bad Guys western plot. Well worth a spin.

[@seriesscratchx9807]

Silverado is another favorite Western of mine!

[@TheTerryGene]

Also fun to see John Cleese in this!

[@LA_HA]

Yes x 100. Unforgiven, Young Guns, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, High Noon, Little Big Man, and City Slickers. Oh, and little known western with Anthony Edwards and Louis Gossett, Jr called El Diablo. That one is crazy

[@insrtcowjoke]

Oh, also, for western movies, I highly recommend you consider watching Unforgiven. It's a great movie that gives, in my opinion, a grounded and realistic view of cowboys and gunslingers in the old west. Especially if you listen to the dialog and pay attention to what's being explained.

[@THOMMGB]

Unforgiven won 4 Oscars. Best Picture, Director Clint Eastwood.

[@goochdawg]

What about the outlaw josey wales?, the good the bad and the ugly, fistfull of dollars, for a few dollars more,high plains drifter, pale rider

[@insrtcowjoke]

@@goochdawg Those are all classic spaghetti westerns, no doubt, but Unforgiven stands out for me by the way it tries to be realistic instead of sensational. The ones you mentioned are good movies, but they're definitely more sensational than real.

[@goochdawg]

@@insrtcowjoke My all time favorite western is the outlaw josey wales. im more into the older clint eastwood westerns but Unforgiven is very very great! i will say its better than tombstone and plus it won many awards even though both movies have a great cast of actors the only thing i did not not like about tombstone was the ending pretty wack ending for a western movie. did you noticed in Unforgiven eastwood he incoperatared alot of what Sergio Leone would do alot. clint made movies with him for many years same as pale rider and others clint directed.

[@biguy617]

Young Guns is a great Western

[@ZackHamlin1]

Y’all nailed it. I’ve always been amazed at how Ringo was willing to fight anyone except Doc, even with Doc so sick.

[@Bhint320610]

“Well…….Bye” & “Say When” are in my top 20 movie quotes of all time. The timing on both and the simplicity of just 2 words is so good.

[@imajhawk6146]

Same. My old roommate and I like to use "Is that a fact?"..."That's a fact." a lot as well.

[@gsboonedox9883]

My hypocrisies only go so far...

[@jacktupp4358]

"Does this mean we're not friends anymore?" and "I was just foolin... : I Wasn't"

[@potterj09]

Haha Powers Boothe is a badass Texan. Love that mofo in all his films.

[@potterj09]

@@mrich1976 I say "must be a peach of a hand" possibly twice a week haha

[@476429]

You missed a few famous actors. Charlton Heston was the rancher who took Doc in when he was so sick. Ike was the lead villain in Avatar. And of course Jason Priestly (Beverly Hills 90210). He was the younger-looking guy who said the cowboys were his friends. The guy you said was in The Mummy was actually Bill Zane. He's been in a lot of stuff but is best known as the villain in Titanic. Here's a video comparing Tombstone to the actual historical events: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6fZf4WuZdechac . He concludes, ""It does a remarkable job of faithfully adapting history. And whatever minor inaccuracies I could find, they weren't enough to spoil my enjoyment." Also, the story behind the making of this movie is pretty interesting. The guy who wrote it was also the director. But he got very behind in production pretty quickly so the studio fired him. Rather than shutting down production, Kurt Russell took over as director even though he's uncredited. They brought in another director more as a consultant, but Kurt Russell was the real director. Val Kilmer has confirmed this. I believe the other director was brought in and given credit because of the union and guild. Kurt Russell didn't have the proper credentials so they had to give someone else credit in order to appease the unions and guilds.

[@TheCkent100]

And the narrator was the legendary Robert Mitchum. And Powers Boothe was Curly Bill.

[@476429]

@@TheCkent100 Yeah, I forgot to add those. Charlton Heston was past his prime when I was growing up but I still heard enough about him to know who he was. It's strange to me that people born in the 90s and later don't know who Charlton Heston is.

[@JustPlayTheGame76]

Isnt there a guild rule that a director or producer cant do more than one movie a year so to get around that rule people will be given different titles so that, technically, they arent doing more than one movie a year.

[@michaelplowman8674]

If you want to learn more about how Wyatt was able to get that reputation while only being in one shoot out, you need to watch "Wyatt Earp" starring Kevin Costner. It's about 3 hours long but it gives you a lot of story on Wyatt you never hear about.

[@michaelolivares2509]

Wyatt Earp?? More like Wyatt so long??

[@michaelplowman8674]

@@michaelolivares2509 It is long, but there are things in that movie that never get talked about or shown in the other movies which is why it's so long. I don't want to say here because I don't want to spoil it. They could start the movie where he meets the Mastersons, but I think the story before is also very interesting.

[@jimmorrish6771]

@@michaelplowman8674 loved it

[@brachiator1]

Costner's Wyatt Earp is over long and boring. Dennis Quaid is very good as Doc Holiday. The Earp production team bought up all the Western costumes and gear, so the Tombstone crew had to improvise. Many of the extras were Western re-enacters who had their own gear.

[@CaesiusX]

@@michaelolivares2509 🤣

[@foreignmilk]

unforgiven is an absolute must if youre going to venture into westerns...and another few phenomenal val kilmer films to see are the doors...maybe his best film overall. and also thunderheart...an excellent film nobodys ever seen lol

[@jasonthedave6140]

I agree, but I think they should check out some classic Clint movies before they do his later movies.

[@chadcasale4216]

Agreed 1000000% Y'all won't be disappointed.

[@craigsanford1023]

Yes absolutely... Unforgiven Silverado Stagecoach...with

[@jacob4920]

I liked "Young Guns," also. A bit campy, but it's based on the legend of "Billy, the Kid." It was an 80's flick, so naturally it stars Charlie Sheen, Emelio Estevez, a young Kiefer Sutherland, and Lou Diamond Phillips.

[@MikeB12800]

The Doors is a bad movie with a great performance by Kilmer.

[@daynejoseph2366]

Fun fact- the scene in the saloon where Johnny Ringo did his routine, Doc didn’t just piss Johnny off, but Doc was hammered and did Johnny’s whole routine with his cup. That intimidated him.

[@RaderizDorret]

@Andrei Blanca Not just that. Ringo was tense as hell which slowed him down (Ringo wanted to live and was afraid. Doc wanted to die on his feet and thus didn't care). Not to mention the way Doc positioned himself due to the way he carried his guns. No matter how fast Ringo was, Doc was always going to draw and fire faster because he didn't have to move nearly as much to get a shot off.

[@quicksilvermad]

@@RaderizDorret The way he held himself at an angle and kept his cigarette up near his face were also brilliant-his raised elbow obscured his holster with the way his body was positioned as he faced Ringo.

[@supersizesenpai]

Both lines are golden standard. "I'm your huckleberry" "You're no daisy... You're no daisy at all"

[@spencerbookman2523]

I love Michael Biehn's performance in this. He's really twirling his mustache. It's probably my favorite of his performances that I've seen.

[@dalecrowe7757]

Also, mad props to him for actually learning to twirl a revolver. I've seen him do it on a couple of different late night talk shows and the man is GOOD!

[@LeviF477]

His eyes when he says "All right lunger" are so crazy.

[@Caesar316]

@@andreshernandez1180 I was about to say the same. He's menacing in that movie.

[@trevburnard]

Young Guns is a MUST! Absolute blast of a western!

[@benjaminodonnell258]

I love that Doc Holiday was, of all things, a dentist by profession...

[@tonyroid1]

This was Val's best performance ever. He owned the role of Doc Holiday..the best to play that role hands down. Should have gotten an Oscar.

[@Carandini]

I always appreciated the little historical details they had in the movie. For instance the fire they pass on the way to the OK Corral. There really was a fire that day in Tombstone as the Earps and Holliday were on the way to the shoot-out. They could have added the other Earp brothers though. Jim wasn't a fighter, but he tended bar in a saloon the Earps owned. Warren came out and joined up with Wyatt on the vengeance trail after Morgan was murdered and Virgil was crippled. And it was interesting with Johnny Ringo. Nobody knows who killed him, he was simply found shot in a clearing, some even speculating it was suicide. That gunfight at the creek really happened and amazingly Wyatt strode out there with lead flying all around him and was never hit.

[@darkeagle62]

Also another little small but true detail when the shootout wt the ok corral is about to end and the cowboy goes "i got you now you son of a bitch". And doc replies "your a daisy if you do." That was a real exchange between doc and a cowboy

[@Romelo1988]

Wow!

[@jumpcutreviews1545]

Wyatt said that Doc Killed Ringo in an interview before he died in the late 1920's. There is also a cool story about Doc in Colorado, he was interviewed by a reporter, check it out. These guys were real people. Val should have won an Oscar for his portrayal.

[@serpentsepia6638]

@@WheresWaldo05 I would believe this over the Bible.

[@Necrowolf81]

@@WheresWaldo05 only an idiot wouldn't. There's actual documented proof,etc that these events took place unlike all the stories of the bible. There is not a single shred of proof that the events in the bible actually took place nor any proof that god actually exists.

[@dan2007kohn]

The medicine Wyatt’s wife is drinking is Laudanum. It was a mixture of opium and alcohol. It was a pain medication and for coughs. The dead guy at 25:25 is McMasters, the cowboy who gave up his sash and joined Wyatt. There is a deleted scene where McMasters goes to the cowboys to try to talk to them and they kill him.

[@willcool713]

Might have been paregoric. Laudanum was stronger, usually 50/50, opium with raw alcohol, and was usually only for acute pain. Paregoric was weaker, only 20% opium or so, and usually only as alcoholic as strong wine, and flavored to be easier to drink. That was generally prescribed for long-term pain, like old injuries, or backaches, or arthritis. Recurring head aches could go either way, but paregoric was likely easier to get. Doc probably had the good stuff, though. I could be wrong.

[@dan2007kohn]

@@willcool713 Maddie mentions looking for Laudanum by name and Louisa says she has some and to be careful, that it has opium in it. That’s not to say, of course, that the filmmakers got the two mixed up.

[@glennalpaugh2820]

Charlton Heston played the rancher that helped Doc regain his strength. You'll know him from starring in Planet of the Apes, Ben Hur, El Cid, Soylent Green, 55 Days at Peking, The Ten Commandments and a ton of other blockbusters. The biggest star in this movie.

[@poppyleon_6275]

TBR said "That Rancher's house" at 31:46, just an FYI, that rancher was the one and only Charlton Heston, aka Moses in the Ten Commandments!! Hollywood Royalty, right there!

[@alanela6761]

One particular item that was conveniently overlooked in this movie for dramatic effect was that Marshall White was dying, but still alive for Curly Bill's hearing, and insisted that Curly Bill did not shoot him on purpose

[@ic2843]

"Young Guns" is another western that had a huge cast of A list stars at the time

[@quicksilvermad]

Silverado (1985) is another one that's got a stacked cast.

[@willcool713]

You might've missed one of the biggest stars: Charlton Heston was the man that took in Doc when he fell off his horse and played laid up.

[@randomaccessfemale]

And Robert Mitchum as the narrator.

[@PapaEli-pz8ff]

I didn't expect them to know Charlton Heston or Robert Mitchum. Different generations.

[@thewordkeeper]

Along with Heston's portrayal of Moses in *_The Ten Commandments,_* he also starred in the 1954 Movie *_Secret of the Incas_* which is said to be kind of a precursor to *_Raiders of The Lost Ark._*

[@kxd2591]

@@thewordkeeper And Ben Hur.

[@thewordkeeper]

@@kxd2591 Yes! That was an outstanding one too.

[@GrumpyOldGuyPlaysGames]

Something I've always found interesting is that according to history, when Curly Bill Brocius shot and killed the town marshal, Fred White, it was totally accidental. Brocius and White were friends, and everyone -- even Wyatt Earp himself -- said so. Earp even testified to this effect at Brocius's trial. In the film, this is made clear by Brocius repeatedly (and mournfully) asking, "Get up, Fred! C'mon now, get up!" The trial itself (which happens off-screen) is changed to the case being thrown out on a technicality, but in real life it was ruled a tragic and unavoidable accident and not the fault of Brocius at all.

[@GriggsC123]

That is Hollywood for you.

[@saturnine000]

Yeah, don’t look at Tombstone if you are looking for an accurate portrayal of history. Awesome and fun movie but it is so far removed from reality that it borders on fiction.

[@Philbert-s2c]

@@saturnine000 Although "Tombstone" might be the better film, "Wyatt Earp" is a bit more historically accurate, even though that's not perfect either.

[@bad-people6510]

Yeah the weight of that shooting on the events that followed was significantly played up for the film. The actual catalyst of a series of political and business disputes between Wyatt and Behan probably would have ended up looking too petty.

[@Highfalutinloyd]

Also, I believe in real life, Fred White was in his 30s, but it makes the moment more impactful for the audience if it’s the kindly, old Marshal that’s killed instead of one of dozens of mustachioed, younger men.

[@chuckvt5196]

One of the greatest westerns ever made. Doc was originally a college educated dentist. The old saying back then was that if you were not satisfied with his services, he would drill you for nothing. Thanks for a fun review! Doc was so fearless, because he knew he was dying and he wanted to die in action. In the vernacular, he wanted to die with his boots on. That is why the ending was so ironic with him dying in bed with his bare feet sticking out.

[@TheNichq]

Thanks for always being there Doc.

[@CaTaffy]

Just a suggestion on the poll. Unforgiven is one of the greatest westerns of all time (which is why people voted for it), but I really would wait until you have seen some more of the classical westerns that preceeded it. It is a complete de-construction of the whole genre, and makes for an even better experience when you have more context for western tropes.

[@DeeWaterlily]

I agree

[@el34glo59]

Bingo

[@THOMMGB]

Open Range should be on your short list of westerns. True facts: Wyatt Earp, in all those shootouts, never got so much as a scratch. Amazing. Also, this movie had a troubled production. In between directors, Kurt Russell directed parts of this movie himself so it wouldn't get shut down and cancelled. Val Kilmer should have been nominated for an Oscar.

[@theripper121]

Open range is great too. Highly agree they should put it on their list.

[@chadcasale4216]

Agreed 1000000% This is a must see.

[@44excalibur]

Here's the Latin/English translation of Doc and Ringo's conversation: Doc : In vino veritas./In wine there is truth. [Being drunk makes me tell the truth] Ringo : Age quod agis./Do what you do. [Being drunk makes you a drunkard / it’s good to stick to what you know best.] Doc : Credat Judaeus Apella, non ego./Let the Jew Apella believe it, not me. [Go and tell someone who cares.] [This is a quote from the ancient poet Horace] Ringo : Eventus stultorum magister./Youth is the teacher of fools. [Fools need to learn by experience / Perhaps a fool like you needs someone experienced to teach him a lesson.] Doc : In pace requiescat!/Rest in peace. [Do what you like, it’s your funeral.]

[@EdwardBast]

Wyatt's single handed assault killing several Cowboys actually happened like that according to a documentary film I saw. I imagine part of the reason Doc was so formidable was because, being terminally ill and already resigned to death, he had nothing to lose and less to fear in a gunfight.

[@williammatthews693]

Interesting historical fact: Wyatt really had a knack for avoiding bullets. In one firefight, all the men he fought with all received gunshot wounds and by the end Wyatt's long coat was riddled with bullet holes but Wyatt himself was unscathed, so there is some truth in that shootout at the river.

[@LilannB]

Another great western is "High Plains Drifter" starring Clint Eastwood. This was the 2nd movie directed by Clint Eastwood.

[@ykcaks]

Tombstone is awesome, definitely one of the best "new" westerns. I highly recommend Sam Peckinpah's The Wild Bunch, this one is one hell of a ride.

[@tylerhendrix3509]

The Wild Bunch is one of my all time favorite westerns. "Let's go."

[@FYRFOX198]

Another entertaining Val Kilmer movie is “WILLOW”…Oh, and btw, the Old guy owner at the Rancher’s house was the late Great Charlton Heston.

[@tdegrddeehjgd]

Willow is an underrated classic.

[@ericnorthman9410]

So many good lines. "Johnny I forgot you were still there.. you may go now" ..

[@ralphroshia9247]

The Rancher was played by the Legendary Charleton Heston (Ten Commandments Ben Hur and the original planet of the Apes) and the Narrator is another great Actor from the Golden Age Robert Mitchum

[@theriomrasputin8233]

The guy, who you noted being from Lost, starred in his own movie back in the 80s called "Stepfather." He was really good in it and well worth a watch. Another good western is "Silverado," and "Once Upon a Time in the West". And ofcourse the classic Spaghetti Westerns with Clint Eastwood. The "Mans with No Name" triology.

[@matthewgrand4791]

Yep! Terry o'Quinn, also of Young Guns fame :^)

[@jimmorrish6771]

'The Long Riders' is a superb western, they used four sets of brothers (Carradines, Keachs, Quaids, Guests) to play the four sets of brothers (james's, Youngers, Fords, Millers).... saw it first when i was about 12 and the horse through the window scene is STILL my fave stunt in any movie EVER! Blew my tiny mind :)

[@apex2000]

Hard to train horses to do that kind of stunt.

[@reesebn38]

Great Movie!! Walter Hill king of action movies.

[@thunderstruck5484]

Saw that at the theater all time favorite they don’t show enough on tv , thanks

[@cflournoy1529]

I’ve never seen that movie but I will definitely have to check it out. I’m familiar with the Carradines, Keachs and Quaids but who are the Guests?

[@jimmorrish6771]

@@cflournoy1529 christopher guest is in spinal tap and many others, his brother nick isn't quite as well known afaik

[@joelmayberry6771]

"How come Bill never gets to live" Ooh! Those words hurt since Bill Paxton died in real life! 😭

[@penoyer79]

what Doc and Ringo were essentially saying to eachother in Latin Wyatt: he's drunk... Holiday: "Well you know me; I'm only honest when I'm drunk." Ringo: "Well that's good, because drinkin's clearly what you're best at." Holiday: "You might think so, but I'd be inclined to disagree." Ringo: "Only fools learn the hard way.." Holiday: "May you rest in peace."

[@Mister_Samsonite]

Doc's secret to being a badass? You can't fake bravado when a man sticks a gun in your face - you've either got to know you can beat him, or not be afraid of dying. Doc had a double advantage!

[@1938superman]

21:25 Only one of them was a cowboy. That's why there was only one red sash. The guy in front. McMasters. He was the one with the doubtful look on his face when they shot up the wedding in the beginning. The other two were the friends of Wyatt and Doc who were involved in the shoot out over being called a liar when Wyatt and his brothers first got to Tombstone.

[@Mauther]

While they took liberties with a lot of stuff, the basics of the characters are mostly correct. Johnny Ringo was one of a handful of legitimate real world gunslingers. While the Wild West was violent, most of the killings were straight up murders, ambushes and crimes of passion. Ringo was one of the few who would do straight up face to face duels. Wyatt Earp was not a talented gunman. His specialty was "buffaloing" knocking a person out with the butt of his gun without causing permanent injury. That's part of the reason he had that famous long-barreled pistol, it made it a better club. Doc Holiday was not a talented gunfighter. He was however a bloody psychopath who was willing to throw down at the drop of a hat. Most of the fights at the time were nonlethal, and people would go home and cool off. Doc was willing to kill a man right here right now. That's why he was feared.

[@clonexx]

He wasn’t a very good shot, no. You are correct that he was an absolute psychopath when it came to getting into deadly altercations. Despite what Hollywood would have everyone believe, most fights in the west ended up without people dying. People would throw down and fight, but no one would get killed. This was not the case with Doc, as he would go to the death a lot more often than the average person, he just didn’t let up. Also, the whole face to face shootout rarely happened, most murders were ambushes. Ringo was an exception to this though as he was one of the few genuine gunslingers of the era and would do the face to face draw/shootout. He and Doc did fight, but not with firearms and not to the death. Years later Ringo was found dead under a tree with a gunshot to the head and his gun in his hand, meaning it’s very likely he killed himself. After all the years of trying to get killed, Doc ends up dying of TB in a bed. That’s how I took Val’s last line in Tombstone. “Isn’t that funny” just before he died was him sort of laughing at having made it to the point where TB got him despite all of the times he put himself in mortal danger.

[@S.Parrow]

@@clonexx the "isn't that funny" line while he looks at his feet had to do with the belief that a man should "die with his boots on". Meaning a satisfying death while working or defending himself. All Doc wanted to do was to NOT die in bed, which was why he was so quick to pull a gun on people, and in the end that's where he died and with his boots off... to boot.

[@willcool713]

Another western, roughly contemporary to this one, is Silverado. It's slightly campier, but with an all-star cast and a good plot. And a super-young Kevin Costner.

[@johnglue1744]

I agree. A very underrated film.

[@andrewwebb3248]

Also now on Netflix just watched it last week. Such a good movie.

[@grimmbilly9263]

Hard to get any campier than Tombstone.

[@nancybrown4041]

Silverado wasn't a contemporary to this movie. Costner's Wyatt Earp was... Silverado was made when Costner was young. Interesting fact: same composer for the soundtracks of Silverado and Tombstone, Bruce Broughtom

[@ericmahr9445]

Bill Paxton in Twister is fantastic! Another great ensemble cast.

[@cazsspot1]

I was gonna mention that you missed Charlton Heston, but I noticed a bunch of others already mentioned it. So here's a bit of trivia; inner of the most quoted lines of this movie comes from Doc Holliday it's "I'm your Huckleberry." It's actually a southern expression, and it's believed Doc actually said those in real life. The problem is the expression is too recent, he said something very similar. He said "I'm your HuckleBEARER." A hucklebearer is another word for pallbearer. So when Johnny Ringo asks if anyone has the courage to fight him, Doc essentially said I'll beat you then carry your casket. Such a badass line hidden in the movie

[@jimdaddy65z]

Val Kilmer stole "Tombstone" like Eli Wallach stole "The Good the Bad and the Ugly". Awsome reaction video 🤩👍🥰

[@melissamcfarlin6840]

When Val was told some of his lines were going to be cut in a scene he just smiled and said “I have this make up on, I have this accent and I have my cup. You could cut all my lines and I’ll just sit there and cough quietly and steal the scene.”

[@shackyman3644]

Dude, gotta' check out an HBO series "Deadwood!" Amazing characters and dialogue in a western theme.

[@dalecosselman6941]

Nah way to many F bombs to say good dialogue

[@AutoPilate]

Curly Bill’s even in it.

[@stvdagger8074]

@@AutoPilate Allie Earp (Virgil's wife) also in it - She plays Trixie.

[@Drizzl1335]

And on a personal note…..You guys never fail to give a spot on reaction to the movies you react too! What I mean is that you guys emotional reactions are right on target where the movie intends it to be and I love that you guys let us see those emotions! Great reaction!

[@Grav3yBoat]

Should definitely put Open Range on your to-watch list. It's a fantastic western with Robert Duvall and Kevin Costner, and I feel like it's overlooked a lot when discussing "newer" westerns.

[@kendyer8761]

I'd throw monte Walsh and crossfire trail into the ring as well.

[@mattjones7226]

I really love that movie. Beautiful cinematography.

[@doloresbellini6452]

I agree, it's so good.

[@dalefraser9771]

Tombstone was once my favorite western... then I saw Open Range and Tombstone got bumped down to second place.

[@jillfromatlanta427]

Annette Bening in a great part in Open Range....Another good flick similar to Tombstone is Wyatt Earp with Kevin Costner.

[@scottvanhille5688]

Yes, that was Michael Rooker who did a lot of movies in the 90's as well as an episode of the original Law & Order. This is such a good western film. Kevin Costner also played Wyatt Earp (1994) in the film of the same name. Billy Zane plays the Phantom (1996) and he was in Sniper (1993) with Tom Berenger. The man in red is Powers Boothe and he plays a good villain. Yes, that was Thomas Hayden Church from Spiderman 3! Geez, I recognized 14 actors in this film.

[@cavecookie1]

Sam Elliot, Bill Paxton, Dana Delaney, Jason Priestly also.

[@mattjones7226]

Also Stephen Lang from 'Don't Breathe'.

[@rutgersplague4595]

@@mattjones7226 he was brilliant in Gettysburg and gods and generals

[@doloresbellini6452]

Powers Boothe was in the marvel movies, too.

[@jonasjelich4576]

Powers Boothe played a really good part in a movie Bill Paxton directed in the early 2000s called Frailty.

[@charlize7692]

One classic Western that wasn't on your list but you have to add: "High Noon." It was so iconic that it gave rise to half of the cliches everybody still associates with Westerns: the lawman standing alone against evil, it's the origin of the line "a man's got to do what a man's got to do," it created the idea of meeting in the street for a gunfight at noon, and it's the movie that Jon McClane (Bruce Willis) and Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman) refer to in "Die Hard" when they talk about Gary Cooper riding off into the sunset with Grace Kelly.

[@keithvincenttucker9923]

A great classic western to watch is Shane. Also, Silverado is a good choice, from the 80s.

[@rendevera3134]

No lie, this movie influenced me a lot as a kid. Always saw Doc and Wyatt's friendship as something to aspire to.

[@josh1800]

Wyatt Earp did some consulting for western films in the early days of Hollywood, where he met a 16 year old kid who was helping with lighting. His name was John Wayne.

[@andreim.5324]

Wyatt Earp entered into legend for multiple reasons. This movie only shows a few of them. One of the most important of them is that in his whole life, Wyatt Earp was never even grazed by a single bullet. Talk about luck. Great reaction guys! I hope you check out Wyatt Earp with Kevin Costner as well - That's more of a biopic movie about the whole life of Wyatt Earp, it's a great movie as well and I'm sure you will love it. That movie is filled with super star actors as well - Kevin Costner, Gene Hackman, Michael Madsen, Bill Pullman, Tom Sizemore, Linden Ashby, Dennis Quaid, Catherine O'Hara, JoBeth Williams, Jim Caveziel, Martin Kove - (Kreese from Karate Kid). Also another great western filled with superstars is The Quick and The Dead. You need to see that as well, you will love it!

[@LA_HA]

Quick and the Dead. Yes

[@Necrowolf81]

There is also evidence that he met Wild Bill Hicock. I find it interesting when these famous people met or knew each other. He was also a consultant on early western movies and John Wayne met him while working as a prop boy.

[@bwhitetemp]

Bill Paxton has been a long time favorite of mine (starting with Weird Science) and I would highly, HIGHLY recommend the movie Frailty. It also has Powers Boothe (Curly Bill) and Matthew McConaughey. I don't want to spoil anything about this movie as it needs to be watched without any preconceived notions.

[@EchoFoxtrot21]

I second this. I love that movie. I've recommended it to them before.

[@rdramos13]

To add to your actors, Ike Clanton was played by Stephen Lang. Best known as the military leader Colonel Quaritch in Avatar. Another good "modern day" western loaded with big actors is Silverado (1985).

[@vincentpulido9463]

He was also The Psychotic blind man in Don't Breathe

[@EpicEvilMonster12]

Before I even watch something in the algorithm brought me to you guys. I saw the thumbnail and had to check it out. Tombstone is literally one of my top 3 best Westerns of all time so I'm excited to see what you have to say.

[@justind8521]

This is one of those movies where I'm envious of people that get to see it for the first time. So good! In my all time top 5.

[@d0gu67]

Great movie, great reaction. Val Kilmer also shines in The Ghost And The Darkness, well worth checking out.

[@brand8246]

Love the reaction! Tombstone has been my favorite western for years. It may not be the most historically accurate film out there, but there's no beating Kilmer's Doc. If you want some suggestions for Bill Paxton movies where he might actually live (no promises), I'd recommend Apollo 13 and Twister.

[@jerryjaydavis4362]

Another great western with a monster cast is Silverado. It's a must see for westerns. Hopefully looking forward in the future seeing your reaction/review from y'all. You guys are awesome always love your reviews/reactions.

[@LA_HA]

Hell. Yeah. Silverado is the shizz. I'm always listing Silverado and City Slickers, but I guess it never gets the votes

[@Freditovfss]

Also the part with the shootout at the river when Wyatt yelled No! That happened for real!

[@just_gut]

This may be the greatest ensemble cast ever put together. Even the character actors are all-time greats.

[@randall-king]

I hope y’all will consider some of my favorite westerns: Lonesome Dove The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance The Cowboys Open Range Tombstone is so terrific. As you said, Russell and Kilmer did such great work in their roles.

[@bigwig2881]

I don't care what anybody says, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, is one of the greatest westerns ever made. John Wayne's performance was just gut-wrenching.

[@LA_HA]

Little Big Man is a definite. Blazing Saddles is a great western comedy, as is City Slickers

[@isaacgarcia771]

Here's some great Westerns worth watching - "Young Guns 1+2", "The Quick and The Dead", "3:10 to Yuma", "Magnificent Seven (2016)", and "The Hateful Eight".

[@clutchpedalreturnsprg7710]

" The Quick and The Dead " with Sam Elliot not the movie with Gene Hackman. Both 3:10 to Yumas, Both The Magnificent 7s.

[@matthewgrand4791]

@@clutchpedalreturnsprg7710 Both True Grits as well?

[@clutchpedalreturnsprg7710]

@@matthewgrand4791 Absolutely. :)

[@gustonzimasheen]

It still impresses me out that the Wild West was such a short period of time in history (1865 to 1895), and yet it will live on for a really really long time in movies, books and TV shows.

[@BloodylocksBathory]

If you ever do a poll for other Val Kilmer films, The Ghost and the Darkness is cool. The historical event it was inspired by really was something. It's not a horror film but it can get scary.

[@alanela6761]

I was surprised that they didn't mention Real Genius as a movie they had seen them in. That one was fantastically funny

[@manichispanic5234]

The real lionesses are at the natural History museum in Chicago. There were a lot smaller than I thought they would be. But I guess it's easy to criticize when they're dead and stuffed LOL.

[@BloodylocksBathory]

@@manichispanic5234 They were male lions without manes, as most male lions are in the Tsavo region. Biologists theorize that the hormone imbalance which affects the mane could be one of several reasons for the two lions to have been so vicious. They were indeed also bigger than their stuffed specimens let on. For a while their skins had been used as rugs, so there was some trimming to the edges due to the damage of continuous walking on them.

[@jonasjelich4576]

@@BloodylocksBathory the real account of those lions are freaking chilling. The second one took 4 or 5 shots before it went down

[@BloodylocksBathory]

@@jonasjelich4576 and that was after an eerily impressive time period where the lions were constantly evading and outsmarting them

[@fierce_history]

I am so glad you two watched this. This is easily one of my all time favorite films in any genre.

[@melinda4360]

Thanks for reacting to this movie. It's my favorite Western of all. There's a mini series that came on Lonesome Dove and it is as good or better than tombstone. It has Tommy Lee Jones and Robert Duvall and a bunch of others Stars. You should watch a few more of Val Kilmer's movies. The ghost in the darkness, Real Genius, the doors, and Thunderheart. Val Kilmer is a wonderful actor

[@matthewgrand4791]

And lets not forget Val in the Lonesome Dove prequel, Comanche Moon. . . He was phenomenal in that ;^)

[@joee790]

If you want more westerns then Clint Eastwood should be very high on the list. High Plains Drifter, Unforgiven (maybe the greatest westerns ever made), Fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, Pale Rider, and Hang'em High are all great.

[@YeeLeeHaw]

I second that list.

[@markhermiston5814]

And not forgetting The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

[@joee790]

@@markhermiston5814 good catch. That one should definitely be included.

[@davidge5856]

Guys - SO GLAD you loved this movie! A bit of trivia - the production hit serious financial troubles at one point, and Kurt basically took over and invested his own money (from what I understand) to get it finished; he also directed some of the film until George Cosmatos was brought onboard. Kurt and Val became very close on set and actually bought each other matching Tombstones in the cemetery of Tombstone itself, which eagle-eyed visitors can see when they visit today. Also, if you enjoyed this one at all, I GUARANTEE you'll love these other "modern" westerns: The Outlaw Josey Wales (forget Unforgiven, THIS is one of Clint's BEST westerns, and ushered in the whole concept of the "modern" western film in the first place) Silverado (with Kevin Kline, Danny Glover, Scott Glenn, Kevin Costner) Quigley Down Under (with Tom Selleck, Alan Rickman, and Laura San Giacomo) Young Guns (with Emilo Estevez, Charlie Sheen, Kiefer Sutherland, Lou Diamond Philips) Lonesome Dove (it's a 6 hr. miniseries, but it stars Tommy Lee Jones and Robert Duvall, with a score by Basil Pouledouris of Conan, and is considered by many to be one of the greatest and most realistic westerns ever made; SO worth it) and Dances with Wolves (with Kevin Costner, Mary McDonnell, Graham Greene, and Wes Studi) Finally, if you make it through those and find that you still want some "old school" classics that feel more "modern" than you'd think, try: The Big Country (with Gregory Peck and Charleton Heston) Rio Bravo (with John Wayne) and How the West was Won (with Jimmy Stewart, Debbie Reynolds, John Wayne, George Peppard, and Gregory Peck) Regardless, thanks for another solid reaction/ review, and can't wait to see whatever's next!

[@sleepybobo2403]

Excellent recommendations.

[@LA_HA]

Smaller westerns worthy of a watch is: The Cowboys (John Wayne), Westward the Women, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart), and Shanghai Noon

[@davidge5856]

@@LA_HA Speaking of little westerns, Stinky Masons is pretty awesome if you can find it. There are few who can, lol.

[@LA_HA]

@@davidge5856 Thank you for the info. I'm always looking for a good movie to check out. If you want, there's a small western called El Diablo with Anthony Edwards and Louis Gossett, Jr, and the guy who betrays everyone in The Matrix (I'm pretty sure it's him, without looking it up). If you like horror, there's a cool horror western called House that's worth checking out. haha

[@V01t2]

The first rated R movie I legally got into the theater to see and easily my all time favorite. Val Kilmer JUST kills it. Shivers down the spine performance.

[@mikeakey3358]

😂 "man, even the horses want to bang!" Might be my favorite commentary ever.

[@insrtcowjoke]

I'm surprised you guys didn't recognize/remark on Charlton Heston also being in the movie. He was a big movie star years back, and was the star many movies, probably most notably being the original Planet of the Apes. He was the rancher they left Doc with. But yeah! A great movie, and great reaction! Val Kilmer totally was a show stealer in this movie, for me!