Tonabnehmervergleich VdH Frog - Dynavector XX2 II - Cartridge comparison

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@Soundapple
@Soundapple 2 жыл бұрын
The Frog seems more natural and musical to my ears, the Dyna perhaps a bit more dynamic and transparent on top. I’d go with the Frog 🐸
@acme.videos
@acme.videos 9 ай бұрын
Excellent sound from both carts. 👍🏻
@word2RG
@word2RG 4 жыл бұрын
good setup. easy to understand why the frog is a classic.
@maxcasci7432
@maxcasci7432 4 жыл бұрын
Frog is stratospheric for me!!...wooooow💪
@陽天-g8g
@陽天-g8g 2 жыл бұрын
フロッグはええで。わしのは金のコイルや。
@francisraimundo
@francisraimundo 4 жыл бұрын
Dyna XX2 has more extension. Voice seem to sound more natural with VDH, but I rather the overall musical presentation of the XX2
@Shaggy8675
@Shaggy8675 6 жыл бұрын
The XX2 sounds more quiet and warmer. The Frog has a little more high end but has an anoying hiss/static noise in it. Great review :)
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Frog is on the bright side but with older Jazzrecords it could be a wonderful system. It has only played about 50hours. I think the top end will be a little bit more reserved after more hours.
@antigen4
@antigen4 5 жыл бұрын
in a youtube video - you can't tell ANYTHING from this. You have to be in the room listening. I'd like to know the 'reviewer's reflections on the matter
@satanertau2689
@satanertau2689 3 жыл бұрын
@@antigen4 If you're listening through a well resolving system, you can certainly hear the difference. I of course appreciate a reviewer's thoughts but love these demonstrations as well. My listen is provided by a Pioneer SX-3900 through a pair of JBL 4430's, paired to my desktop. The differences are very apparent.
@陽天-g8g
@陽天-g8g 2 жыл бұрын
@@satanertau2689 アンプは何や?アンプが一番重要や!
@rfc4172
@rfc4172 3 жыл бұрын
Frog forever!
@eduardotapia9172
@eduardotapia9172 3 жыл бұрын
The snaredrum sounds insanely tasteful and real in "Stranger Here"
@martinvegas1327
@martinvegas1327 Жыл бұрын
Frog Gold for the win👀
@G-Egorych
@G-Egorych 4 жыл бұрын
VDH -лучше по разрешению во всех аспектах! все более открыто и натурально!
@sergeykyznetsov2967
@sergeykyznetsov2967 3 жыл бұрын
Возможно, но мне кажется что XX2 звучит по сочнее в обертонах, особенно это слышно в первом сравнении начало видео обратите внимание на удар палочки барабана, не хайхэта именно палочки удар....
@MrVinylObsessive
@MrVinylObsessive 6 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@georgedoughly8682
@georgedoughly8682 3 жыл бұрын
I like the sound of the Dynavector cartridge better.
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 3 жыл бұрын
More natural, correct?
@julianjechev7949
@julianjechev7949 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome sound from both but I wonder if cartridges use the same arm with different headshells or different arms?
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 2 жыл бұрын
One turntable with two different arms.
@julianjechev7949
@julianjechev7949 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. In that case there's a second variable to be considered in evaluating the sonic differences we hear....
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 2 жыл бұрын
@@julianjechev7949 I had the carts on several arms and the signature/difference was always the same
@Miguelissimmo
@Miguelissimmo 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, these two cartridges sound very good to me, and I have to admit I can't hear any real difference between them ... considering the kind of high end equipment you use here (note : I love your system), for music reproduction AND for the recording (RME Fireface .. nice :) ), it may be my equipment's fault :) .. maybe that my Audioengine D1 DAC and my pair of Sennheiser HD25 are not good enough this time to hear everything properly :)
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 3 жыл бұрын
It is difficult to hear the difference here, but direct from vinyl it is instantly hearable.
@陽天-g8g
@陽天-g8g 2 жыл бұрын
@@Orangeaudio1 そう思うな。デジタルにしたらもともこもない。カートリッジの音やなくなる。
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 2 жыл бұрын
​@@陽天-g8g I have a completely different opinion
@IvoCoric
@IvoCoric 3 жыл бұрын
Frog !
@JBL-ud4yp
@JBL-ud4yp 7 жыл бұрын
That's excellent! What does the step-up transformer use?
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 7 жыл бұрын
JBL 2395 i use no stepup transformer, but a Pass XP-25 phonopre.
@JBL-ud4yp
@JBL-ud4yp 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your reply. We are considering purchasing Dyna Vector. Can I use the SME arm?
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 7 жыл бұрын
I sold the DV, because for me it had to less resolution. On KZbin you hear a little difference to the Frog, but hearing on my audio system, there is a big difference to the VdH. The Frog sounds with a few more resolution and bigger stage. No i run the Frog furthermore in the SME V, but the Origin Live Tonearm and DV cartridge are sold. At this place no is a Schroder CB arm and a Soundsmith MIMC. I love this combination!
@jerryjerry3904
@jerryjerry3904 Жыл бұрын
I had hoped this would allow one or the other to stand out. Sorry, to my ears, no discernable difference, and that's despite the two different tonearms used. PERHAPS that is why they sound so similar! Also, I wonder if the sound is going from the phonostage directly to the recording device/medium as the sound is so CLEAN and my Dynavector XX MK II (same model) on a Rega RP 10 doesn't sound nearly as good as this recording.
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 Жыл бұрын
At that time i wondered too. In real life the difference was easy to hear and much more than after the recording. The Pass XP25 is a very good phono stage and certainly has its positive influence.
@jerryjerry3904
@jerryjerry3904 Жыл бұрын
@@Orangeaudio1 I recently bought a VDH MC ONE Special, and it is quite a bit better than the Dynavector XX MK II it replaced. Much more clarity and the instruments sound more real. It was also less expensive than the Dynavector. I'm using a Parasound Halo JC 3+ phono stage.
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 Жыл бұрын
@@jerryjerry3904 VdH cartridges are very good in case of clarity and the sound impresses at the beginning with the emphasis in the treble, but after a few years, I no longer liked it.
@skanf
@skanf Ай бұрын
we are listen to an MP3...
@bimmer100timc
@bimmer100timc 5 жыл бұрын
What was the song at the very beginning? What recording etc...
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 5 жыл бұрын
The Brahm´s Cellosonata. I recorded it for a friends friend, who played well. Without notes...unfortunetaly he decided to delete the video on youtube, because he was disappointed with his performance. I do not think so...
@bimmer100timc
@bimmer100timc 5 жыл бұрын
Orangeaudio1 I really enjoyed it and wish I could find a good copy of this on vinyl. Would you have any recommendations? I’m not an expert with this, but would love to hear that on my turn table. I picked up a copy of the first record you mentioned too. It’s quite nice!
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 5 жыл бұрын
A friend said something with Heinrich Schiff. www.discogs.com/de/Bach-Heinrich-Schiff-Cello-Suiten-Cello-Suites-Nos-1-6/release/3543705
@deepgrooved
@deepgrooved Жыл бұрын
do you still run the frog??
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 Жыл бұрын
No. Jan Allaerts and Supex actual and a Grado at the Micro Seiki
@dentboxhero1717
@dentboxhero1717 3 жыл бұрын
XX2 just lip smacking deliciousness
@robertpincus6528
@robertpincus6528 4 жыл бұрын
My computer speakers benefit from the VDH's extra top end, but the DV is the better choice for serious listening. Of course, throwing audiophile softballs at phono cartridges tells us very little. Play a Tombstone Columbia and then we'll really hear the better cartridge.
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 4 жыл бұрын
Some old vinyl's benefit from the VDH's top end too🙂 But yes, sometimes it is too much.
@robertpincus6528
@robertpincus6528 4 жыл бұрын
@@Orangeaudio1 I appreciate your comment, but I was actually describing something different than tonal balance. I was implying that the use of squeaky-clean audiophile approved LPs are "soft-balls", as LPs anybody can play. Real vintage LPs that were actually played by real people many moons ago are real tests. Playing the typical Dire Straits, "female vocals", and audiophile quality blues LPs do not tell anybody if a cartridge really has "the stuff".
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 4 жыл бұрын
@@robertpincus6528 Here i to less space to talk this topic what it is worth. I agree that today vinyl´s often have to much high´s and low end. For me the music happens in the mid´s and there often win older productions. I have a little recording studio and here a lot of mastertapes. The sound of tapes from the 50/60/70`s years is outstanding and vinyl has absolute no chance. Back to the VDH Frog, i have here a recording from Kari Bremnes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGTWiJpubpiKlac This vinyl has so much top end, that it is unhearable with it. I recorded it with a Jan Allaerts and it sounds very good, because the great warmth of this cartridge. Today i have a Lyra Skala beside the Frog. I made a recording these days from Kenny Burrell. You can find it here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaXXZaWIm6iGgtk
@robertpincus6528
@robertpincus6528 4 жыл бұрын
Midnight Blue is always a winner. You almost have to wonder if 'ol Rudy didn't wasn't trying to make ear candy that day! Re. modern recordings, top end is only one issue. Digital reverb is a joke, and it's a band aide for 2nd rate recording engineers, and audiophiles with lousy systems. The fact that 90% of high end demos use digitally reverbed recordings is very sad. People who demo phono cartridges on recordings doused in digital reverb are hopeless. Thanks for choosing better LPs. When you can play a 1951 Heifetz 10" as quit and clean as a 180 gram jazz record then you know you've arrived
@陽天-g8g
@陽天-g8g 2 жыл бұрын
@@Orangeaudio1 あんた録音スタジオを経営しとるん?そしたら、レコードはマスターテープには遥かに及ばんのやないか。わしも最近テープを始めたが、テープを最初に聴いたときは腰を抜かした。
@maxcasci7432
@maxcasci7432 4 жыл бұрын
Hello what is sylomer? where to buy? thank you so much 
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 4 жыл бұрын
www.rrg.de/schwingungstechnik/sylomer-sylodyn-sylodamp/sylomer/ It is used to uncouple machines from the ground and a lot people use it for HiFi. It is cheap😉
@maxcasci7432
@maxcasci7432 4 жыл бұрын
@@Orangeaudio1 thanks
@maxcasci7432
@maxcasci7432 4 жыл бұрын
@@Orangeaudio1 what density did you use? sr42. ..sr110 ...?
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 4 жыл бұрын
@@maxcasci7432 You have to calculate the locating surface to the weight, to bring the resonate frequence to 10-12Hz. I used SR11. The Feickert weight 27kg. It is long ago. I think you have to calculate so for SR11: ( 27:0.0011):4=6136 square millimeters surface for 1 peace if you use 4 pieces at all. So the radical is 78mm. 4 pieces with 78x78mm
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper 7 жыл бұрын
Ein gut eingestelltes Shure M55e am PE33 Studio von 1964 macht das gleiche um viele tausend Euro günstiger ;-)
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 7 жыл бұрын
Schlipperschlopper Mir hat keines der Systeme über 1000€ gekostet, mag aber die Aussage trotzdem bezweifeln.
@dirkbusche3410
@dirkbusche3410 3 жыл бұрын
Sehr lobenswerter Kommentar von Schlipperschlopper. Hier hat einer daheim einen Direktvergleich mit den gleichen Komponenten gemacht. Und sie danach zurück zum Händler gebracht. So viel Aufwand für so ein ernüchterndes Ergebnis.
@katjapia5004
@katjapia5004 7 жыл бұрын
Schöner Vergleich, aber nicht ganz einfach über KZbin nachzuvollziehen. Kenne das DVxx2 sehr gut. Scheint etwas voller im Bass und Grundton zu klingen als das Frog. Bei der Blues Stimme und Singer Songwriter ein tolles System aber etwas "gemütlich". Das Frog scheint da ein wenig heller, schneller und schlanker in den Mitten & Oberbass zu sein. Mehr kann ich unter diesen Bedingenung nicht raushören. Hoffe mein Eindruck stimmt so im Grossen Ganzen. Habe mit Kopfhörer am i Mac verglichen. Gruss aus Erftstadt Horst PS: DV und Frog beide an 100 Ohm?
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 7 жыл бұрын
Hallo Katja, ich war auch enttäuscht wie wenig von dem doch sehr deutlichen Unterschie übrig bleibt. Auf der Anlage selbst, ist der Unterschied massiv und entspricht ziemlich genau dem, was Du geschrieben hast. Das DV klingt sehr warm, zurückhaltend, analog. Bei keiner Platte klingt es gestresst. Das Frog läuft nochmal deutlich ruhiger in der Rille. Zuvor lief parallel ein EMT JSD6. Als ich das Frog das erste Mal auf die Platte setzte, war ich total überrascht, wie leise es die Leerrille abtastet. Zudem hat es im Hochton deutlich mehr Auflösung und hat eine viel größere Bühne. Zu 90% bevorzuge ich klar das Frog. Nur zu hell aufgenommene Platten machen damit keinen Spaß. Was mir immer wieder auffällt, am Kopfhörer kann man eine breite Bühne/Staffelung überhaupt nicht beurteilen. 100Ohm an beiden, ja. Das Frog kann man auch mit 200, 300 oder 1kOhm laufen lassen. Je nach Aufnahme...ich bin aber bei 100 hängen geblieben. Mir ist klar, dass das DV weniger Innenwiderstand hat und viele es mit 50Ohm laufen lassen. Bei mir, mit dem gut bedämpften Multilayer Carbonrohr des OL-Armes, verträgt es eigentlich noch mehr an Abschlusswiderstand. Es sind aber keine Welten, was sich hier tun. Bei MM-Systemen und einer variierenden Kapazität tut sich da mehr.
@ThomasGrimm
@ThomasGrimm 6 жыл бұрын
Hallo, beide MC Systeme großartig. Sehr gute SQ !! Wie hast du den Ton aufgenommen ? Vom Pass XP-25 phonopre Digitalisiert oder per Recorder / Mikrofon den Ton live vom Gesamt Hifi System? Habe die gleiche Lightnin' Hopkins LP die ist wirklich erste Sahne...
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, bei 0:25 siehst Du es. Von der Pass in ein RME Fireface. Ja, die Platte ist toll!
@ThomasGrimm
@ThomasGrimm 6 жыл бұрын
Ah... im Eifer des Gefechts glatt übersehen - danke für die Info! Muss ich demnächst auch mal testen sowas in der Art. Highfidele Grüße aus Frankfurt :-)
@陽天-g8g
@陽天-g8g 2 жыл бұрын
カートリッジの音は、チョク接聴かな、デジタル録音したら意味がない。
@lokerola
@lokerola Жыл бұрын
Love the Frog. Ooof - these are $3,500 new! Ouch
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 Жыл бұрын
Not really...
@lokerola
@lokerola Жыл бұрын
@@Orangeaudio1 I the US, most retailers have them lists at around $3,500 (give or take a few hundred bucks).
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 Жыл бұрын
@@lokerola Send me an email. www.orangeaudio.de
@analogsound
@analogsound 7 жыл бұрын
Is it the pass labs xp-25 phono stage ?
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 7 жыл бұрын
yes!
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 6 жыл бұрын
Yes
@armandogui1
@armandogui1 6 жыл бұрын
Which qualitiy of Sylomer did you use (SR..., yours is black)? I'd like to give it a try.
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, no i use SR11, the yellow one and blackend it with Edding.
@armandogui1
@armandogui1 6 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for your friendly answer.
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 6 жыл бұрын
You have to calculate the size of the Sylomer fitting to the weight of your record player. If you tell me the weight i can help you.
@armandogui1
@armandogui1 6 жыл бұрын
Two turntables : 6 and 9 kg each. Many thanks
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 6 жыл бұрын
armandogui1 SR11 0.0011N/Qmm For examble 6kg:0.0011=5400 545 : 3 (for 3 pieces)=1800 √1800 = 134 So you need 3 pieces with 134x134mm
@陽天-g8g
@陽天-g8g 2 жыл бұрын
しかし、逸品館の清原は、ヴァンデンハルのカートリッジは高いのも安いのも変わらん。コリブリに高い金出すんは無意味やちゅうとる。
@TheArtem123456
@TheArtem123456 4 ай бұрын
VdH Frog
@陽天-g8g
@陽天-g8g 2 жыл бұрын
あんたのシステムは真空管やないんやな。グラフは何や。mitはwithめ(付ける),ohneはwithout(取る)のことはわかるが、何を付けたり取るのか?
@Orangeaudio1
@Orangeaudio1 2 жыл бұрын
Can you write in English?
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