Tony Iommi & Tony Martin in conversation : Black Sabbath - Forbidden

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[@Venombullet666]

I think it's about time we get a new Black Sabbath album with Tony Martin on vocals! Come on 🔥 Also Tony Martin mentioned he'd found the Demos of Dehumanizer which featured himself on vocals, that should be released

[@Stallan666]

Won't Cry For You is an all time classic. So much power!

[@msalvin33]

Such an underrated song

[@RafaAchnitz]

I am really curious to hear this Forbidden remastered

[@Boeskool666]

Forbidden is not remastered but Remixed.

[@Riffuz]

Forbidden is a great album, was the second Sabbath record that i buyed in cassette, cross purposes was the first one 😊. I love ilusion of power, forbidden, get a grip, can't get close enough, kiss of death!!!

[@DrummerBoy233]

I wasn't even aware of this album until this video... Where do these records end up over time? I put the Born Again album in the same ballpark as these underrated Sabbath albums. Incredibly compressed but the lyrics and instrumentals sound unreal.

[@snarkherder]

@@DrummerBoy233 The IRS records got buried for some time until now. You couldn't even get them on streaming. On May 31, we'll finally have access to all of the studio albums released under the Sabbath name, I think. I hope we'll get some more Tony Martin albums as well - he had a few solo releases and other stuff that's pretty good. Speaking of which, his latest album, Thorns, is on streaming - it's not bad.

[@valg4510]

Honestly, I don't think anyone should be ashamed of Forbidden. It's a very doomy album that seems to go back to the early days of Sabbath if anything. While I admit I'm not the fondest of the album, the title track and the rap metal track in there are underrated gems! Can't wait for the boxset!

[@rythmhawk2598]

Back in the day it didn't get positive attention. It was the end of an era. A turning point.

[@juhanipaasikangas4185]

I like Forbidden.

[@chris10isleyen]

I really like Forbidden, the demos show how heavy it originally was supposed to song so I’m prettt excited to hear the remix. Also ready for Born Again to be remixed.

[@fodderstompfbedull6428]

Forbbiden is better than Cross Purposes

[@mark_beastpriest5539]

"Get a Grip" is a great track.

[@fodderstompfbedull6428]

¡Kiss of Death one of the best sabbath songs ever!

[@jimmy-stourbridge-fc8980]

Eternal Idol was my 1st Sabbath album I ever brought on cassette from a record shop in Dudley back in 1992 I was 12yo love the Tony Martin Era

[@DH-hl5tc]

ST records?

[@samisilander9305]

We listened to The Eternal Album in the military back in '88. That was the first time I heard Tony Martin singing. Been into Sabs since the early 80's.

[@ZeroTheHero3]

every day I get more and more excited for the release of the boxset

[@TheRealDannAlexander]

Love the sound of the new mix so far! Great riffs on this album.

[@sbi168]

I love Dio era Sabbath most, but tony Martin era is my second favourite. Can't wait for some justice to finally be delivered to this era.

[@THE_JACKAL666]

Same here ! And when I tell people that I don't like Ozzy's vocals on Black Sabbath, they wanna lynch me !!!

[@jaisondallabona4020]

I'm too.

[@fallforautumn]

I love Tony martins voice, the problem I have with his records is that the songs aren’t standouts like Dio and Ozzy songs, and overall the tempo is plodding. Iommi’s riffs were still great, but the overall songs structures are u remarkable. Even the Heaven and Hell 2008 record is like that for me.

[@sbi168]

@@fallforautumn disagree. Headless cross and tyr album are non stop bangers. .cross purposes was a great album but slightly mixed and forbidden was ...... problematic

[@THE_JACKAL666]

DIO RULES !!!

[@orbitsnoogslaghouse1188]

Thank you Tony Iommi for putting the work in. Really looking forward to the box set.

[@billjannusch]

I actually loved "Forbidden" then and I still do. I listen to it all the time. I actually think its better than "Cross Purposes".

[@stanferraro4130]

Totally agree, I saw the tour in '95...great show. Cross purposes was too "friendly" to my ears, but an OK album. Sabbath is best when they sound doomy, gloomy, and evil...\m/

[@mark_beastpriest5539]

The Eternal Idol and Headless Cross are my favourite Tony Martin era albums.

[@snarkherder]

I think Cross Purposes is better, but it's a close call. Maybe with the better production, that'll change.

[@snarkherder]

@@stanferraro4130 I think, other than "The Eternal Idol," "Virtual Death" is probably the doomiest gloomiest song Sabbath ever released.

[@ColtraneTaylor]

I never had a problem with the original mix. Or the album. Now 13, there's an album that needs to be rerecorded and rewritten from scratch.

[@felipedenovaesreis5098]

It's already unanimous that Tony Iommi did a refreshing job on this remix. It's sounding heavy, loud and clear as ever! I particularly love Martin's vocal style for this era of Black Sabbath and this album brings me good memories of a remarkable time in my life. Anxiously waiting for my box to arrive! Congratulations!!!! 🇧🇷

[@omnis1182]

Forbidden is a fantastic album, the hate is so unwarranted.

[@JOONBUGFILMS]

Please let's get a new album headless cross like what you did with heaven and hell the devil you know

[@EdwardBaggettEdtrader]

Enjoying the videos, but they are too short. Surely, they sat there longer than this. But so glad that I'll take anything.

[@tienmernen9277]

Forbidden is great album, period. It sounds great.

[@thelovelyseamus]

Kiss Of Death = top tier Sabbath 🔥 🔥 🔥

[@kerriloid_]

+++++++++++++ It's like rock opera

[@fodderstompfbedull6428]

One of the best songs of sabbath along with Get a Grip and Guilty as hell

[@GuillermomartinMonzon]

Forbidden está entre mis 5 favoritos de Sabbath, tiene cambios de ritmo que no tienen otros, y está nueva versión del 2024 es mágica, Cozy Powell está sonriendo este dónde esté🖤

[@shawnhuff3920]

Black sabbath early 70's is my favorite Black sabbath but songs from the 80's and early 90's are great 👍 but the early album's really got my attention 😊

[@mysticprophecyroblox]

Forbidden has got some absolute ripper songs on it

[@tonymontana-uw1bq]

I've ordered my box set releases on my Birthday...thanks Riffmaster Tony Iommi

[@ghetaldi]

Un album que siempre me gusto, hasta el dia de hoy desde 1995. Atemporal.

[@Alanpuxadordefibra]

👍😍👍hi from Brazil!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@batphink2655]

Hi from Canada! 👍

[@Bananekopp]

I love this Album🤩

[@paistefever]

My favorite album off Tony Martin era. I REALLY loved it when it came out. I was shocked how modern Black Sabbath sounded for that time, instead of being an old established rock/metal band with a modern production. I still love Forbidden and can't wait to hear the remix! RIP Cozy Powell

[@sarty23]

Great album! No need to be so underrated!

[@mark_beastpriest5539]

Tony and Tony need to record together again. May 31 I'm getting the boxed set, and f*ck what Ozzy and Sharon think.

[@richardhincemon]

Mutual agreement Tony Iommi and Ozzy Osborne 50/50 co- owners of the Black Sabbath name settled out of court in 2010 . It takes 3 original members to participate in the process for any new material or unreleased material for any use of the Black Sabbath name and franchise. It's not a popular opinion but it is a legal process between Tony and Ozzy not Sharon Osborne who was in charge of marketing for Sabbath during the Ozzfests tours.

[@ramoncardona4651]

Remix of Forbidden is awesome!

[@bf9616]

Can't wait for the box set!

[@makouras]

It's absolutely wonderful that this record gets a new remix. And I hope more fans get to appreciate the Martin-era of Sabbath. I also hope that Judas Priest get a lesson from this and do justice to the Ripper-era albums!

[@tapanim6576]

Any chance to have Cross Purposes Live remastered and released on cd, maybe together with a live dvd?

[@sbi168]

A bit late for that , but would be great. I'm afraid Sharon probably wouldn't allow it. I'm amazed she has let this happen (but I believe there is a legal loop hole where as long as it is all previously released then its ok or something)

[@richardhincemon]

​@@sbi168Cross Purposes live is owned by PMI entertainment not IRS which is what BMG entertainment bought the rights to. Black Sabbath is owned by Tony Iommi and Ozzy Osborne 50 /50 co- owners of the Black Sabbath name and franchise settlement out of court 2010 Sharon Osborne doesn't own Black Sabbath name she was in charge of the marketing of t-shirts and other Sabbath memorable items during the Ozzfests tours that's was her job. She's not the person making any big decisions about it that's between Tony and Ozzy and who ever they would employ under the Black Sabbath name which takes 3 original members to participate in the project under the name Black Sabbath. It's not a popular opinion on KZbin its the legal decision made by Tony Iommi and Ozzy Osborne.

[@snarkherder]

@@richardhincemon Shhh, Sabbath fans love hating on Sharon.

[@PrimitiveInTheExtreme]

🤘💀🤘

[@simplebutnotsolongname6642]

I’ll await the day we also get A remaster of the original Version of Forbidden, as well as the original recording of the 1996 DEP sessions with Glenn Hughes, original Drums, Keys, Guitars, Bass, and Mix.

[@henriqueeckile8318]

Todos os álbuns são excelentes! A Fase de Tony Martin contou com excelentes músicos. Quando era adolescente ouvia muito o cross pourposes. Um trabalho fenomenal! Pena o box custar um rim e um fígado aqui no Brasil !😢

[@rafagamortal]

Very Good Album, Forbidden. \m/

[@luizfelipebrandao6238]

Thank you!

[@JulianeLuviano-wg4ii]

Great seeing u guys interview sick!!

[@Nordicroo]

I've actually come to really appreciate "Forbidden" after all these years. There's really only one track I tend to skip and that's the opener "The Illusion of Power" featuring Ice-T. I'm more inclined to play this album than "13". The only songs I tend to listen to from "13" are "Naïveté in Black" and "Methademic", which aren't even on the main album but came as bonus tracks. For me, the final great Black Sabbath album was "The Devil You Know". Despite it being under the band name of Heaven & Hell, it's still a Black Sabbath album (for me anyway).

[@snarkherder]

I think having "The Illusion of Power" as the opening track is the worst decision they made with this one. That one should have been buried on track 5 or 6...never lead with your weakest song (I get why they did it, trying to attract new listeners and all that, but...oof). I still like this song, but it's definitely the weakest link on the album. I'd put it on the end, but...I like strong closers, and "Kiss of Death" is a perfect way to end the album. "Rusty Angels" is also pretty weak imo...they recycled a riff from Dehumanizer, and I know it's about airplanes, but the lyrics aren't great...still, I've listened to this album from start to finish a hundred times by now. Think I listened to 13...twice. It's fine when it's on, but it just doesn't grab me.

[@ChrisHopkinsBass]

Bluestone is now a major holiday site. The guitarist in my old band did their website

[@kerriloid_]

Kiss of death, rusty angels - very good songs!!!!

[@alnka1974]

What on earth is Martin wearing? I can hardly wait to get this box set.

[@stanferraro4130]

yeah ...not a "Metal kit" ?? maybe he borrowed the jacket from Rod Stewart or Steven Tyler ??

[@thefonzkiss]

_Fonz seal of approval_

[@heavymetalchild87]

If I remember correct, the Tonys were working on a couple of songs (new ones) to add to the remix as bonus. Of course we know we can't have new stuff under the Sabbath moniker 😒... I can't help to think , that those songs could materialize soon on a (at least) a Iommi/Martin single or EP 🤞🏼🤘🏼

[@renecruz8973]

I loved that Forbidden Album, Ice-T was awesome on The Illusion Of Power song, that middle part with the Gangsta Rap he did was cool, & Ernie C is an awesome guitarist & record producer, (btw I met Ernie C with Ice-T, Ill-Will, O.T., Vincent Price, Griz-Bear, Moose-Man, Bendrix, D-Roc The Executioner, Beat Master V, Sean-E-Sean, Sean-E-Mack, Nat The Cat & the whole Rhyme Syndicate Posse Entourage, good times at all their concerts), was happy with that Forbidden record, had some great songs: Kiss Of Death, Rusty Angels, Shaking Off The Chains, Can't Get Close Enough (loved it)! Diehard Faithful Body Count & Ice-T fanatic I am, as well as I am with Sabbath & Tin Lizzie/Thin Lizzy as you well know me by now Mr. Iommi & Mr. Martin! I personally saw Ice-T & Body Count about 20 times in concert: (Stone SF, Oakland Omni, Warfield SF with Exodus, One Step Beyond, DNA Lounge, Slim's, Townsend Club twice, {the 2nd time was when Ice-T was just a judge at a Comedy Show}, Tracadero Transfer, Club 315 with MCM & The Monster, The Filthy Filmoe Filmore West, AfterschockFest Discovery Park Sacramento, The I-Beam, SF State University, Palo Alto The Edge, 3 Shoreline Ampatheater Mountainview concerts: (1. Lalapalooza Tour with Ministry, Perry Farrell's Jane's Addiction, & the Cramps @2 nights Friday & Saturday, 2. Van's Warp Tour, & 3. Mayhem Fest Rock Star Tour with Cannibal Corpse, fun times) & also ofcourse, I saw the Forbidden World Tour, saw you guys at the San Francisco Warfield SF August 1 1995 awesome show, I bought the short-sleeve shirt with the tour dates & the long sleeve World Tour t-shirt, Cozy Powell did his awesome 1812 Overture Drum Solo & Tony Martin was true to form with his strong awesome vocals & awesome long straight jet black hair & that totally awesome 20min long guitar solo you did, oh Mr. Tony Iommi, you were totally killer & out did yourself, I mean, I've seen your guitar solos live in concert before, over 56 times at the shows but this was the first time, I ever saw & heard an earthquake rumbling connected with your solos, (rad) & you made the ground shake & cause a mini shaking Earthquake Effects, with your guitar on stage WTF Killer, which I think figured out, was some kind of shaking effects machine under the stage, to make the whole Warfield Theater shake & rumble, that was awesome, was totally surprised & was an intro to the next song, Black Sabbath good times, also saw you guys at the SJ Event Center & sorry about the Henry J. Kaiser show being cancelled but you guys did play there, I saw with Exodus during the Dehumanizer Tour 1992 great times! Mr Tony Iommi, I have a gut Jedi Instincts feeling, that you are going to reunite with Tony Martin, Neil Murray & Bobby Rondinelli for a reunion, for the Seventh Star, Eternal Idol, Headless Cross, TYR, Cross Purposes & Forbidden Album Records World Tour, I just know it & possibly play Chase Center here in my hometown San Francisco, I hope! In conclusion Mr. Iommi, I am looking forward to that 4th solo record you are currently recording & hopefully, if your well & healthy enough, do a solo tour like possibly at the Regency Ball Room or Warfield Theater SF, that would be grand! Please Mr Tony iommi, I can't overemphasize for you, to be safe, to take care of yourself & see your MD Dr. often for your health, your family & hopefully if you are feeling energized & well up to it, play here in San Francisco again, ty Mr. Tony Iommi, you are my number#1 Metal Guitarist of all time, All Hail Mr. Tony Iommi, the Metal Riff Godfather & All Hail Sabbath & Heaven & Hell Band, The Masters Of Heavy Metal!👩‍🎤🧑‍🎤👨‍🎤🎸🪕🎻:⃝𖤐🤘⃤⃤⃤⩜⃝🤘⃤ ⃝𖤐🤟⃤𓆩🤘𓆪⩜⃝🤘⃤\m/⸸⁶⁶⁶⛧🤘

[@renecruz8973]

I got a message from my friend, his name is Jimmy Church of FADETOBLACK UFO show & said for me to tell you to say hello for him & if you could, he invited you & Ice-T to come on to his FadeToBlack Live UFO show! TY Tony appreciate it, thanks again!

[@starwarsunfiltered7848]

Right on.

[@richardhincemon]

Tony Iommi Riff Lord of the heaviest and darkest guitar riffs in the Universe ❤😊

[@simplebutnotsolongname6642]

He didn’t really rap. It was more like Spoken word.

[@renecruz8973]

@@simplebutnotsolongname6642 "Powerful, who are you fooling? You're caught in a complex cataclysm of your own inadequacies & pitiful weaknesses! Your souls secretes insecurity! So you live on the reflection side of the mirror! You're terrified of true power...you fear me...!"-Ice-T & Body Count!✞✟⩜⃝🧊⃤🌨️❄️ ⃝𖤐𓆩🤘𓆪🤟⃤⩜⃝🤘⃤\m/⸸⁶⁶⁶⛧🤘

[@lordcevap96]

I always wanted to listen Forbidden, trying to understand why people hate it so much. Today I did it for the first time, and honestly I don't get the hate. There are some nasty riffs here and there, and 'I won't cry for you' has such beautiful melodies. Seriously, why the hate? On a side note, I also love the album cover!

[@MichaelZanette]

Did you listen to the original mix or the new remix that just dropped today? Cause I hated the original but I really like the remix

[@lordcevap96]

@MichaelZanette I listened to the new remix, but I want to listen the original too 😬

[@MichaelZanette]

@@lordcevap96 then by all means seek out the original, I think you'll understand why people hated it lol. I'm sure someone has uploaded it on KZbin

[@KillbotAndGorGorAttack]

Actually a fine album, even if I never liked “Illusion of Power.”

[@mark_beastpriest5539]

Get a Grip was my fave track.

[@hoosierhandgunner6232]

I always liked Forbidden

[@gollumthevil1]

Don't know why this album gets slated easily as good as the others.🤘🔥🎸✌️

[@DarkVegetaman]

Awesome footage from 1994!

[@caljerm]

Kiss Of Death is an absolutely awesome track as is Get A Grip. Really, I think all of the songs on there are really damn good except for Sick And Tired, which unfortunately lives up to its name. But overall I think it is a fine album and can't wait to hear the remix.

[@abrahamramirez3980]

I’m glad they’re not trying to throw Ernie C and Ice T under the bus. At the end of the day, Iommi is the one who went to see Body Count live and he wanted to work with them. It didn’t exactly work out for Sabbath but at least they tried something different.

[@justsomedude5727]

At least Forbidden is mildly interesting as a curiosity, 13 just erases decades of Sabbath history and is just a rehash of what already came before.

[@ColtraneTaylor]

13 is just Rick Rubin farting loudly.

[@INaNBillington]

1000%. To this day I still have never finished 13. I just get so tired of "Hey, remember Planet Caravan? Remember Black Sabbath? Remember Into the Void?"

[@williamfernetducharme]

I never listened to 13 and never will. For me, Black Sabbath's final album is Forbidden. And don't tell me about The Devil You Know. I ain't listening to that album either.

[@david29497]

I liked Forbidden.

[@chris10isleyen]

Holy shit that intro made me excited for the remix

[@zikkicharade]

Why you released only the song headless cross instead of the whole album on digital platforms?

[@Thegamer10113]

The box set will be out may 31. Containing Headless Cross, TYR, Cross Purposes and Forbidden.

[@FAF4567]

Why are there no albums with Tony Martin on Spotify?

[@williamfernetducharme]

The Eternal Idol is already on Spotify. And the Anno Domini boxset containing Headless Cross, Tyr, Cross Purposes and Forbidden will be released this Friday. So by Friday, every Black Sabbath albums will be on Spotify.

[@MichaelZanette]

As of May 31 all 5 Tony Martin albums are on Spotify now

[@FAF4567]

@@MichaelZanette Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssss..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@cicerobarbiero]

Get a Grip!!!

[@thewelshbeersnob2783]

Headless cross tour when?

[@vladimirfrank6884]

It's Time To Return To HEAVEN AND HELL Project ( with Mr. Tony Martin)

[@_NoizzMaker_]

Why so short? 😐

[@John-ce9uq]

Iommi 24

[@akaboo69]

We're the rythym guitars redone? The tone is different

[@stanferraro4130]

I've seen a few "rating the Sabbath albums lists" and "Forbidden" comes up as the worst, even Tony says in his book that he did not like it. I think that it is a far better album than "Cross Purposes", which was too "friendly/poppy", but is was great that Geezer was on it. The best Sabbath albums are the evil-sounding, doomy-gloomy , heavy ones like "Master of Reality" ...my fave.

[@snarkherder]

Yeah, I rank Forbidden somewhere in the middle. The first six albums with Ozzy are pretty untouchable, but I think Forbidden is better than Technical Ecstasy, Never Say Die, Born Again (I know I'm going to get some hate for that one lol), Seventh Star, Eternal Idol, and 13. None of these albums are bad, mind you, but I get the sense that a lot of these guys who hate on Forbidden have only heard Illusion of Power and think the entire album sounds like that.

[@stanferraro4130]

Yes, good point about the people who are quick to judge an album after the 1st track. Being a long-time fan , I find that there is something good in all of their albums and the fact that Tony I. carried on and tried different musical styles is brilliant...he has had a long career and came up with some classic riffs. Born Again is a very funny moment in the bands history, I would say that Seventh Star is my least fave (I don't like Glenn Hughs, but again there are some cool GTR riffs).@@snarkherder

[@snarkherder]

@@stanferraro4130 See, I actually really like Glenn Hughes, but I didn't like Seventh Star as much as the others. If Fused were released under the Sabbath label, it would be near the top, I think. Born Again/Seventh Star were just weird - they had their moments, but it was like hearing two different bands at the same time. I don't think they sound at all like DP albums like some people say (Born Again in particular - Ian Gillan's range was a bit wasted on that one), but they're just...weird.

[@FourMypersonaluse]

Butler University inanimate objects on Inanimate objects compass maps 👶🎤🙏🧚‍♀️👢👢👶🎤🙏🧚‍♀️🥾🥾💋💋

[@idjut1080]

Why didn't this dunce ask if Ice - T or Ozzy was slated to sing on this in full? Damn you!!

[@samanosukeakechi8038]

Forbidden is still better than 13

[@THE_JACKAL666]

The common element in all Black Sabbath albuns is Tony Iommi ! The riffs Lord ! Black Sabbath was always and always will be Tony Iommi, no matter what the crooked Sharon Osbourne does or says. His work with Tony Martin was simply MARVELOUS !

[@mark_beastpriest5539]

I always believed that, and always will. You are 100% correct.

[@snarkherder]

Iommi was always the most talented guy in the band, but I do think if less than half of the band is made up of original members, it should probably be called something else. That said, Iommi couldn't release a bad album if he tried. At the end of the day, I don't care what the band is called...if it's good music, it's good music. Sharon can't stop Iommi and Martin from releasing music under a different name, you know.

[@THE_JACKAL666]

@snarkherder I totally agree ! If Iommi decide to make new music tomorrow under the name " pink butterfly," I would dive head on in it immediately, without blinking my eyes !

[@richardhincemon]

​​@@snarkherderTony Iommi and Ozzy Osborne are 50/50 co- owners of the Black Sabbath name and franchise. Tony Iommi has retired from touring and continues to manage his own health and his own music. Tony Martin plays no role in the decisions about Black Sabbath music and is free to form his own band and tour if he wishes to do so. Sharon Osborne is not a owner of the Black Sabbath name and franchise but she did manage the merchandise decisions during the Ozzfests tours.