so his logic is “i can cheat on my girlfriend with you but if you sleep with kurt cobain, you can’t come back to me”? like dude, you were literally cheating on your girlfriend at the time
@twiggsherman36413 жыл бұрын
Rockstars sweetie. It's about ego's. If she had banged an unknown guy he'd probably be fine, but he considered him his rival.
@User-om5bv3 жыл бұрын
Women never understand.
@goa6993 жыл бұрын
He prob thought kurt had the Herps
@goa6993 жыл бұрын
He didnt want to end up like Freddy Mercury 😆
@bradydavis57913 жыл бұрын
@@User-om5bv Bro. Shut the fuck up. There's not much to being a shitty human being women and men aren't privy to.
@dhammaboy1203 Жыл бұрын
Philosophical thesis: rockstar love tantrums make the greatest music! i.e. -Billy spurns Courtney we get Violet -Courtney spurns Kurt we get Heart-Shaped Box -Courtney spurns Trent Reznor we get Starf**ker Inc. -Everyone bangs everyone in Fleetwood Mac we get Rumours -Clapton bangs Pattie Boyd (Harrison's wife at the time) we get Layla And so forth....
@VuotoPneumaNN Жыл бұрын
Clapton was not banging Pattie when he wrote Layla tho. He was obsessed with her, but she was having none of it.
@VuotoPneumaNN Жыл бұрын
Oh, and Starfuckers Inc. was initially written about Marilyn Manson.
@brianphilippoi3498 ай бұрын
Maybe it works both ways: Miles wanted to collaborate with Jimi shortly before he died, but Jimi sleeping with Betty apparently killed that project before it began.
@CajunRulez5 ай бұрын
"Clapton bangs Pattie Boyd (Harrison's wife at the time) we get Layla" And yet somehow, somewhere in the middle of that love triangle(don't know exactly what events came first), we still got While My Guitar Gently Weeps. I guess the music and their friendship transcended the other BS. Lucky for us I guess.
@Synthlordz6 күн бұрын
..and Pretty Hate Machine was about Tori Amos
@skyenicolas70127 жыл бұрын
When Billy Corgan looked like the lovechild of Kristen Dunst and Ethan Hawke.
@frankelder11587 жыл бұрын
He looks like Amanda Knox.
@ryanguerin10106 жыл бұрын
OMG! HE TOTALLY DOES LOOK LIKE AMANDA KNOX!!! Hahahaha😂😂😂 or well, she looks like him w/hair.
@jodimariedomingue14526 жыл бұрын
SKYE NICOLAS 😂😂 bruhh
@manlymen5526 жыл бұрын
he's white lol
@notfree28996 жыл бұрын
SKYE NICOLAS That's hilarious, you're right!
@breakfastsurreal56503 жыл бұрын
I would have found this a little interesting when I was younger but when I listen to his story now I think these people are disgustingly immature.
@JackSmith-kp2vs3 жыл бұрын
The grunge generation were the original ‘I’m a victim’ generation. Paved the way for the pathetic state of things now
@tomorrowmorning83603 жыл бұрын
Jack Smith I’m not sure I follow. Original? Long before Grunge there was this little style of music that came to be known as The Blues. And let’s not pretend original 70s punk didn’t have it’s share of the same pathos. Grunge was more likely just a natural progression on similar themes (from guys raised on a lot of Led Zeppelin), and also somewhat of a response to the perceived vacuousness of mid-late 80s big hair glam rock. I am quite obviously not a pro music historian and could have this all wrong but I think there’s some validity to my perspective.
@TheHSIHP3 жыл бұрын
@@JackSmith-kp2vs those musicians came from shit and worked hard.
@misslori97253 жыл бұрын
@@tomorrowmorning8360 please leave the blues out of this
@tomorrowmorning83602 жыл бұрын
miss lori I think the blues are very relevant here
@julesvan Жыл бұрын
Billy told Howard Stern he saw Courtney's photo on the back of her new single and became infatuated with her. They were on the same label and Billy called the front desk to arrange a meeting when she played in Chicago. They ended up dating, and she found out he had had a steady girlfriend the whole time she was with him in the worst possible way. Yet Courtney is always portrayed as a groupie chasing Billy...
@amymuchko7106 Жыл бұрын
🫣
@jaketedesco9497 Жыл бұрын
Billy played her cos he knew how underhanded she could be
@julesvan Жыл бұрын
@@jaketedesco9497 Please... That's why Billy married the "steady girlfriend" in 1993 and instead of being a happily married man, he invited Courtney to go on holidays with him just before Christmas 93. Then he kept calling Courtney in March, and when her husband was no longer in this world, he cheated on his wife with Courtney in late 1994. Billy was way more into Courtney than his ex-wife.
@jaketedesco9497 Жыл бұрын
@@julesvan I'm not disputing that,, but Courtney is the grunge Jezebel. She's their JLo or Bey.
@24kgoldplatedvermeil Жыл бұрын
@@jaketedesco9497 how is bey a jezebel, shes been married to jay for like two decades
@viktoriiasamoilenko93722 жыл бұрын
omg there is something scary in him, all behind this"sweetness"
@ReeseChown8 ай бұрын
He acts as if he's some mack daddy for pulling Courtney first but in reality she caused him nothing but issues
@seanpayne247020 күн бұрын
@@ReeseChownshe’s also kinda skanky
@especial011 ай бұрын
Well, we cannot deny, that those 3 are super charismatic. I love the music of each of them in a different way.
@mywhychromosome3 жыл бұрын
Random trivia: The Hole song "Violet" (in my opinion their best tune) has its roots in a poem Courtney wrote about Corgan, I believe called "Beneath the Boy"
@dhammaboy1203 Жыл бұрын
Violet is such a great song that it shows that rock star tantrums have their own objective worth! 😂 Billy made another great song just by being an ass to Courtney! In turn Courtney inspired great music by pissing of her husband and later Trent Reznor!
@amymuchko7106 Жыл бұрын
Can share that?
@Laura-kg9le6 жыл бұрын
Billy had a girlfriend, but was dating courtney behind her back. Courtney shows up at his house and he kicks her house, even though he even had told her it was ok to come to chicago. ...and no one talks about how horrible billy is, just how horrible courtney is.
@StarryStarryNocturne5 жыл бұрын
@Laura Plant Because when guys sleep around social standards say their studs and if a girl sleeps around social standards says their whores and sluts. Just like Kurt sabotaged his own relationship with Tracy, a girl that financially supported him and nurtured his art, yet he couldn't be bothered enough to get a job and keep it longer than a week for her sake and wrote a song about her where he says "i'll take advantage while you hang me out to dry", where Kurt's pretty much saying he'll take what he can out of it, justifying it by implying she's hanging him out to dry, when she did the exact opposite of that, but somehow if Kurt had relationship troubles with Courtney, it was ALL Courtney's fault.
@StarryStarryNocturne5 жыл бұрын
@Archimedes Reincarnated Ignoring the silly petty nonsense of a fragile little man: Kurt only made Bleach, which led to Nevermind (what made him Rich) because Tracy let him lounge around and do nothing but paint and write songs without having to worry about paying bills or keeping a job while supporting him financially. As far what makes a whore a whore and why society differentiates, well... everything you said was pretty much a confirmation of everything suspected in that "catch phrase." This was your attitude and bizarre logic: "Hey, the guys only slept around a few times, so they're not whores (even if one of them was clearly cheating and not caring that he was.) The whore (what you probably call girls behind their backs in your failed adventures to get laid, as silly guys like you tend to do) meanwhile banged more people, therefore your femanazi propaganda (sound reasoning) is a bunch of wah-wah crying bs." You're the one that's the real stereotype here.
@musicsavedme35345 жыл бұрын
Think they’re both as bad as each other really
@patriciapedercini79355 жыл бұрын
Laura Plant They’re both gross but his music ROCKS even more than Nirvana’s and her “music” was a fucking joke. Like her. An ugly gross joke.
@kristinewhitfield41104 жыл бұрын
@@StarryStarryNocturne Yeah well nobodys perfect. Courtney was awful though, she was so pissed at Kurt for not performing at Laplooza bc of MONEY. Who cares how her husband felt or what he wanted bc she wanted the money. I can see why he wanted to divorce her but didnt get the chance to. Alot was her fault and so was his death. When someone came foward to say she offered them 50,000$ to blow kurts brains out and make it look like a suicide and that person DID pass a cpl lie detector test. Then ironically ends up dead bc he drunkely stumbled on railroad tracks. Hmm weird....also with a list of others involved ending up dead. Since they didnt get divorced she got alot of money and rights to nirvana! She didnt give a fuck and sold his journal to press!!! That woman doesnt have a heart and her own PI she hired figured it out.
@el34glo59 Жыл бұрын
No one more jealous of Kurt in this world than Billy Corgan. Even after his death he lives rent free. Now he takes credit for their relationship. Ffs this guys ego is INSANE
@rickynickybillywilly36874 жыл бұрын
Billy sings like a kid who doesn't wanna leave a toy store
@moe53473 жыл бұрын
Lmaooo I love Smashing Pumpkins but this made me laugh hard.
@Angelsanddevils2 жыл бұрын
Omg this is hilarious. I love how nonchalant Billy was. She showed up looking sexy ready to rock…
@manifestgtr6 жыл бұрын
Certain women just have a THING about them. When you look at them, they aren’t “objectively” beautiful but there’s something so magnetic, hyper sexualized, whatever you wanna call it about their vibe that they reel guys in. I know a few chicks like that. They aren’t ugly by any means but they aren’t what you’d call classic beauties. Yet they’ve cultivated something intangible that’s deeply attractive to men. I can imagine that this is what courtney love circa 1992 had going on. You see her in pictures and it’s a bit of a head scratcher but you know she must’ve had something going on. There’s no way...there’s just no fucking way that she would’ve landed such influential figures of the era otherwise.
@peterheinzelmann33356 жыл бұрын
Uhm, shame on me but I'm pretty sure she was just a "well, you can fuck me if you want" type of bitch. And she wasn't too ugly, not too beatiful, so that will work on most guys. Kurt even stated that he was mostly attracted to her sexuality in the beginning.
@bangmygavel6 жыл бұрын
Yep. Courtney said in an interview: “Us girls who grew up a little more homely had to try a lot harder.”
@MegKampen5 жыл бұрын
@@bangmygavel She said pretty girls aren't good in bed because they don't have to be. Courtney much of it is between your ears and not between your legs. No woman has to be anything in bed.It is how you feel about someone that determines what kind of lover you are and if you are passionate by nature. She never learned that.
@UberLummox5 жыл бұрын
It wasn't as much of a beauty thing as it was/is her sociopathic, mega controlling, plasma robbing, soul draining, machine-gun-mouthed, homocidal "charm". She's an actress and a full blown narcissist that can control a "weaker", or calmer or a more quiet inward soul like Cobain. By the time he recognized her for what she really was, it was way too late.
@copheart3 жыл бұрын
@@jn1346 I think yr projecting
@user-hw6kq1fn2l4 жыл бұрын
Billy and Courtney were lovers even when she was Kurt's wife. Kurt realized that. That's why he played "She's my best friend's girl (and she used to be mine)" in Germany , I guess, during In Utero tour.
@lolbears12312 жыл бұрын
as we say in pumpkins' world
@copheart3 жыл бұрын
Ugh, I know. He's so lame.
@eliskull3 жыл бұрын
cringe
@shunyataberlin3 жыл бұрын
@@copheart lame??
@patkawasaki7712 жыл бұрын
Jesus, can you imagine what two egos like Billy amd Courtney would be like together? Probably something like the collision that created the moon.
@candymiller33043 жыл бұрын
Courtney tells the best stories and always name drops. I thought it was hilarious when she pretended to be hurt that she was no longer trusted with information and claimed she hadn't spilled the beans on too many stars, just "that showboat Billy Corgan." Their mutual respect for each other and hilarious digs against each other and occasional flashes of anger and revenge are entertaining.
@user-pl5pw5iy5s Жыл бұрын
Yeah, an at-arge murderer is so entertaining
@crypttonite Жыл бұрын
@@user-pl5pw5iy5s u falling for it all, the murder package is Slick & brought to by the same people selling you the official report of a ridiculous suicide method. Meanwhile truth is behind door 3. Until I see a photo of Kurt’s dead face, I might then believe it. Love to see anyone verify his death. Good luck, just keep yourselves attached to the idiot box in all it’s forms. Not to mention the music is not that good, much less great. Did u forget the Stooges. No embarrassing Hollywood drama surrounding those fools, just awesome records made by mostly real individuals. Nirvana’s popularity is on par with mcdonald’s being popular. Does not say much.
@scooterruns9355 Жыл бұрын
@@crypttonite so Kurt isn't really dead? LOL seriously?
@crypttonite Жыл бұрын
@@scooterruns9355 feel free to verify he is, without pointing at a tv report or print. Real evidence. From a trustworthy source.
@scooterruns9355 Жыл бұрын
@@crypttonite so all the tv reports are involved in a giant conspiracy to fake Kurt's death? LOL seriously? do you have any evidence for this crazy nonsense or just your vivid imagination?
@jeromykriege4 жыл бұрын
Billy you dodged a bullet there my friend.
@danellae.perezschmieloz59582 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts
@0gloomy0 Жыл бұрын
Literally
@Kat.Evangeline11 ай бұрын
Literally
@tommyconancoates70976 жыл бұрын
Sounds like he was genuinely pissed that he lost her though
@Laura-kg9le6 жыл бұрын
Tommy conan Coates billys a typical dude that wanted his cake and to eat it too. He was obsessed with her ever since he saw her face on the cover of 'pretty on the inside', but it appears he treated her like garbage
@is15land6 жыл бұрын
maybe hes the socioparth not courtney
@MegKampen5 жыл бұрын
@@Laura-kg9le he could control her and Kurt couldn't. That is why she went for Kurt. She new Billy would would never marry her even if she got pregnant. Oh I am sure h used condom on her.He didn't want to get aids
@lauraarmstrong68575 жыл бұрын
Men like the company of smart, well-read, engaging women.
@putinissonofiblis81304 жыл бұрын
Because Frances is his biological child not Kurt's
@tomorrowmorning83603 жыл бұрын
I think back in the mid-90s Tori Amos wrote a song about this dynamic on her Boys For Pele album. I believe it is called “Professional Widow”. As you can probably guess by the title, it is not a flattering view of Ms. Love. The phrase “Star Fu**er” makes its way into the chorus. Quite out of character for Tori to be that obvious with her lyrics, so my guess is she felt pretty strongly.
@HumanimalChannel3 жыл бұрын
That song suddenly makes sense to me know thanks.
@suzannemaria55943 жыл бұрын
I believe it was also due to her having a relationship with Trent Reznor and Courtney had slept with him.
@danielclark9203 жыл бұрын
That song is weird as hell lol
@RogueBoyScout2 жыл бұрын
I think Courtney thinks she was Nancy Spungen re-incarnated. She was looking for hey Sid. She found him. The only thin is, and proves that she is not a the kinder-whore she portayed, is she didn't OD or kill herself in a "Romeo/Juliet" rock cliche., after Si-I mean Kurt's death. Kurt was a was hard core cynical. Courtney was plastic cynical. It's no surprise Heroin was the Drug De-Jour of that scene. Misery loves company, but morphine is just as nice. I guarantee Kurt never used Coke habitually. It's not a drug for those not comfortable with a less than average size ego. Hence why Narcissists love the stuff. (I use the word ego in the more post-psychological sense) Did she have anything to do with his death? maybe not on a "Logistical" level. But she certainly helped the co-dependency. Sad thing is, now she is what she always wanted to be. Nancy - Si-Kurt's girlfriend, and who also played in a band.
@blazingstar96382 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t starfkrs inc. nin written about her too
@federicomachado8116 жыл бұрын
This comment section is a toxic wasteland.
@thecurseofghostisland30685 жыл бұрын
Only some of them. Yours is definitely one of them.
@AgiosOLucifer4 жыл бұрын
Its filled with retarded conspiracy theorists as well lol
@JaycRam4 жыл бұрын
@@AgiosOLucifer Kurt's name's brought up in any context. Conspiracy theorists: hE WaS MuRdErEd! cOuRtNeY DiD iT! Even Krist--a guy who was there from the beginning, not fans who only know Kurt through his music--believes he killed himself. People are nuts.
@Courier_3334 жыл бұрын
Aye but nice profile picture tho the pixies rock
@salopro863 жыл бұрын
@@tatiz1406 ...wow. Got a lot of free time, huh? Jk. Idk, Nirvana had a big influence on me when I was younger(still do), but I think if you read the lyrics to the songs, the writing was kind of on the wall. Shit, even the title of one of the songs is "I Hate Myself and Want to Die". It's unfortunate, but the dude was obviously self-destructive and imploded under the pressure of mental illness, drug addiction(which are pretty much interchangeable), the glaring spotlight with creeps wanting to know and print all of your personal drama; now imagine yourself a sensitive artist seeing no way out - what would you do?
@patrickcostello41467 жыл бұрын
Her own father called her a sociopath.
@ktothec245 жыл бұрын
Yeah will that guy is a huge POS. I’m no Courtney advocate but there’s a reason why courtney considers her stepdad anything close to a father
@Ethan-rl5bo4 жыл бұрын
I almost feel bad for her.
@StarryStarryNocturne4 жыл бұрын
You mean the man that would threaten her with barking dogs to discipline her when she was a little kid? The guy that even boasted about his tough discipline towards his own daughter on camera, by saying, "if you f*** with me, I'll keep kicking your ass!" That guy is who you're citing as your "trusted" source on all things Courtney?
@unanimousanonymity18364 жыл бұрын
@@Ethan-rl5bo nah .....
@traineresports7264 жыл бұрын
Fuck you all!!! Mother Fuckers!!!
@justinhopper59415 жыл бұрын
Billy used to be a little boy
@ryansager92244 жыл бұрын
So young in his shorz
@jhonnycagexrage74584 жыл бұрын
The killer in him is the killer in us
@alicenestpasmonprenom57844 жыл бұрын
My Love😍
@davebertaud3 жыл бұрын
He sends a smile over to us. :)
@salopro863 жыл бұрын
[Hey,] what's a boy supposed to do?
@loveanimals9692 жыл бұрын
Poor Kurt Cobain.
@JBest012 жыл бұрын
Tony wlson! crazy man ... He was part of the music history! RIP....Corgan is my favourite rockstar of ever. Great interview but...where's the rest?????
@monnie5083 жыл бұрын
I love smashing pumpkins but kinda hate billy lmao
@todd28463 жыл бұрын
Same unfortunately
@todd28463 жыл бұрын
@Cortland Taylor he just says/does the wrong things
@shunyataberlin3 жыл бұрын
Billy Corgan IS the Smashing Pumpkins, tho
@overkill79903 жыл бұрын
@@todd2846 He tells the truth which is not cool. Not who we are.
@todd28463 жыл бұрын
@@overkill7990 don’t understand but ok
@spacefrogmogg3 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing Courtney saying that she was going out with Billy and he wouldn’t pay her ticket to get back and that’s when she met Kurt on the ride back home. She said that when Billy did that to her, “that’s when Billy lost me, not fully but that’s the moment” Billy is saying he had a girlfriend at the time? Why was Courtney making out like they were going out when he already had a girlfriend?
@void00943 жыл бұрын
Yo wtf I like your videos nice to see you here XD
@spacefrogmogg3 жыл бұрын
@@void0094 wtf no way! Fancy seeing you here hahaha that’s crazy!
@shayburton41042 жыл бұрын
Billy was cheating on her with his girlfriend back then he said so in a Howard stern interview
@tparker20955 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression that Billy and Courtney had an affair while Courtney was with Kurt, but who the fuck knows.
@retroguitarmaster8 жыл бұрын
billy boy, you dodged a shotgun bullet point blank, impressive
@mondelez44227 жыл бұрын
Yeah because it doesn't matter if cobain is alive or dead all we want are more albums
@MultiUnreal7 жыл бұрын
But Corgan would be dead, and there'd be no mo Smashing Pumpkins album.
@christiangasior42447 жыл бұрын
Kurt was a millionaire. I've felt trapped and suicidal because of a girl even crazier than Courtney, but I wasnt rich enough to move anywhere on earth. The dude signed with a major label and recorded Nevermind with tons of poppy songs on it. He wanted to become adored and famous and succeeded, only later to whine about his success. He surrounded himself with fellow junkies, had a kid, shot up and blew his brains out because as he said as a kid, he was going to become a big rock star and then kill himself. And Billy makes me want to puke although I love old pumpkins
@MultiUnreal7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, nobody gives a fuck about what you think, because you're wrong.
@9unslin9er7 жыл бұрын
No way man, if we've learned anything from Billy "I'm the last surviving 90's rocker" Corgan, he's all about self preservation. Probably would have reached "enlightenment" by saving Kurt.
@mag50203 жыл бұрын
I wish she stayed with Billy, Kurt would prob still be alive. Not saying she murdered Kurt but he needed a better influence in his life.
@nicholasperusek36394 жыл бұрын
He dodged a bullet.........literally.
@danellae.perezschmieloz59582 жыл бұрын
Totally
@lilc53532 жыл бұрын
FO SHO!
@brianh46252 жыл бұрын
with butterfly wings?
@BOBSAGET-sn8ex6 жыл бұрын
I think he was jelly of courtny for marrying kurt
@katz33392 жыл бұрын
He didn’t love her, it’s just ego. all men are like that when they see their ex happy. SMH 🤦♀️
@bradjustin25736 жыл бұрын
She also said they broke up at a nirvana concert that never happened in Oct of 91 few months before Frances was born
@toddtw336 жыл бұрын
Billy "Yeah but he also ruined my romance" Uh Kurt probably saved your life, you lucked out when he took her off your hands.
@465marko4 жыл бұрын
He wasn't referring to Kurt Cobain. (Or Courtney Love). He was talking about Tom Atencio and the relationship with his girlfriend at the time.
@Poopman5624 жыл бұрын
Who’s girlfriend
@SkrvnHiptR774 жыл бұрын
@@465marko half right. Tom ruined his romance with Courtney. A little fecicious comment I think.
@Swagolisious24 жыл бұрын
he sounded so salty
@f.r.19984 жыл бұрын
@@SkrvnHiptR77 nope Tom ruined the romance with Billy's girlfriend at the time. Because Tom was the one who gave courtney the money to screw her way to getting on Billy's tour.
@tweezersalad40753 жыл бұрын
Ngl, the thumbnail looked like a still from To Catch A Predator
@jh-kv6pq3 жыл бұрын
This is one of rocks most tragic deep layered love stories
@jowlorenz95552 жыл бұрын
At least mrs hole didn't blow off the great pumpkin's head .
@lolz_lmao_21442 жыл бұрын
FR
@jh-kv6pq2 жыл бұрын
@@lolz_lmao_2144 nobody hears when they listen, nobody see's when they look. it's deeper than an ocean
@jh-kv6pq2 жыл бұрын
@@lolz_lmao_2144 In another life they live happy ever after with their daughter
@sampedro9316 Жыл бұрын
Gross.
@jjohnsengraciesmom3 жыл бұрын
Lol Kurt didn't ruin the romance Billy did. Lol.
@80gumdrops6 жыл бұрын
None of this story stacks up. 1) If you look at Nirvana / SP's 1991 tour dates, they're never in the same state at the same time apart from Boston MA on Sept 23rd where they both played the Axis. 2) Billy says she flew off to Minneapolis - where Nirvana played on 14th October 1991. True, Courtney was in Minneapolis and got with Kurt, but Smashing Pumpkins were touring Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama and Georgia at that time. The day he's talking about, Nirvana were in Chicago, and SP's were in Alabama.
@peterheinzelmann33356 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I like that kind of research! I can understand Billy a bit thought, he just wanted to fuck her, thought it would be funny or something. I bet his conscience is guilty af. He knows that Kurt died (which way ever) because he fucked with Courtney.
@ByVan_6 жыл бұрын
Had you read this ? Is Courtney story about that same story but ..... different www.burntout.com/kurt/interviews/int8.html
@peterheinzelmann33356 жыл бұрын
interesting read!
@MiszzMiszz6 жыл бұрын
sure you know better than him...
@brandymassey38536 жыл бұрын
80gumdrops he is from Chicago and he said his apartment not hotel so... maybe he wasn’t doing a show and was just back in his home town that night with his girlfriend
@micaela71594 жыл бұрын
whats the interview hes talking about at 3:08 ?
@ValisX7 жыл бұрын
Billy loves to hook up with train wrecks.... Courtney, Tila Tequila, Alex Jones.....geez. Kurt genuinely loved Courtney, I didn't understand it until 'Montage of Heck', Kurt was such a wreck himself a lonely misfit and he met a girl that was, outwardly, amazing and he fell head over heels. I don't believe Courtney literally killed Kurt but she no doubt figuratively did. I'm sure something secret happened that devastated Kurt and he just said fuck it. He probably had some junkie he was using with help him kill himself. I'm sure someone will make a deathbed confessional one day
@frankelder11587 жыл бұрын
This is probably the most accurate comment on this page. Kurt suspected Courtney of cheating on him. He may have been right. People who were close to them thought she was cheating on him with Billy but neither of them have confirmed (and why would they). I don't think just that contributed to Kurt's suicide or state of mind but it did play a big part.
@carsonhall13666 жыл бұрын
Suspected? He used to come home from traveling and it would hurt him that she would be screwing other people right in front of him. Geez. I don't think he was that dumb. Also, as someone who worked in forensics I can tell you he was not alone in that room when he died, and all forensics point to murder. Police departments are not always honest, especially when money is involved.
@alexborgia47126 жыл бұрын
Carson Hall - I agree. Kurt was rumoured to be disillusioned with his career and ready walk away and divorce Courtney. A dead rock legend is like a never ending cash machine. Who benefits? There are rumours David Geffen had his biographer Tom King killed (he was very unhappy with the book). Tom King died mysteriously at 39, no cause of death given. Rumour has it that the investigating officers later left the force and took up 5 year $500 000 p.a. contracts.
@JustLikeHeaven776 жыл бұрын
I hope you are a writer, cuz that was brilliant.
@thecurseofghostisland30685 жыл бұрын
Yeah... he totally overdosed to kill himself and then blew his brains out just to make sure. Great logic dumbass.
@brandtsavoy61233 жыл бұрын
I think its funny that Billy is a HUGE wrestling fan. Like historian and huge fan and even bought the NWA an old school rasslin promotion
@Garf2O2 жыл бұрын
Makes me think ole billy came up with a wrestling type persona to go with his music career early on, and one day he just said "fuck it" and decided to become that persona full time
@nathenism6 жыл бұрын
courtney seems like one of those people who is always desperate and their desperation inevitably leads to some real shady betrayals
@dAvrilthebear7 жыл бұрын
yeah, luckily billy married a normal girl afterwards, who dumped him after 2 years, but we owe Seamese Dream and MCIS to her! :) (that is, assuming she actually exists, there are no photos of billy and his first wife together))
@thebomb784 жыл бұрын
As a 41 year old Irish man who lived in London through Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Oasis, Joy Division etc..... Metallica, Alice in Chains and Machinehead are my favourites
@Stewartchampion2 жыл бұрын
Im 40 and joy division was back in the 70s ..I'd say you was born in 1980 .and was like 12 years of age when most of those band's broke through like I was.. joy division much early been and gone by then
@kasimojohn20176 ай бұрын
pear jam shits on all of them lmao
@army_dreamer_8088Ай бұрын
no one cares if you're Irish
@ryanhale16546 жыл бұрын
Billy's the man! SP's are def. up there w/ th Soundgarden's, Nirvana's, etc. etc.
@ryanhale16542 жыл бұрын
@@slimyfisher1370 Everclear?? Green Day?! Idk ab all that. I mean Green Day had one great record. I feel ya on STP though but all the rest I don't get the association.
@HunterL8504 жыл бұрын
Kurt: I hate Mtv and the Music Business Billy: I LOVE THE BUSINESS
@spaceorbison7 жыл бұрын
Wow Courtney didn't give one shit about ANYONE
@mooknick2425 жыл бұрын
courtney love looking sexy is where this video lost me
@deafphantom8653 жыл бұрын
She was hot dude :p at the 90s perspective
@themagicalfox63 жыл бұрын
She didn't look bad in her day
@amymuchko7106 Жыл бұрын
😅🤣
@Charlito7327 жыл бұрын
Tom Grant did his job well. Nowdays, the majority of the people thinks that Courtney Love is a murderer and almost like an expert criminalistic plot woman.
@anti-ethniccleansing4654 жыл бұрын
Tomás Orellana Who sells their dead husband’s journals to the world??
@pts52173 жыл бұрын
He did. Sad that so many ppl believe him. His documentary starts of with him saying he never lies...usually a red flag
@Charlito7323 жыл бұрын
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 yep, complete lunatic, fucked up by money and drugs. although i admire her early music work, i think she had a lot to do with Kurt's addiction and downfall. but, i do not believe tom grant anyway and the conspiracy docs.
@anti-ethniccleansing4653 жыл бұрын
@Tomás Orellana From what I understand, Kurt had _A LOT_ to do with the writing of Hole’s earlier work when he was alive. I differ with you on the cause of Kurt’s death though. I think it is likely that Tom Grant is correct. By the way, why are you just now seeing my original reply to you six months later? Haha.
@Charlito7323 жыл бұрын
@@anti-ethniccleansing465haha, just saw it now!!! didin't see it at the time. 👍
@davide.b8027 Жыл бұрын
I wonder why some geniuses can work their way through the industry While others crumble at its feet
@rowtenlowt33716 жыл бұрын
billy thinks it was 1100 tony says 750,shes making 350
@julesvan Жыл бұрын
Billy told Howard Stern that he became obsessed with Courtney after he saw her in a photograph and didn't stop until he met her kzbin.info/www/bejne/foS7lpWQr5mIfqc
@crash85633 жыл бұрын
Corgan's ego was large back then, too
@vertigo293011 жыл бұрын
Rock star A to Rock Star B....hahaha..
@nyxnjmnz12614 жыл бұрын
courtney love is a double timing bitch hahaha
@dexterWES3 жыл бұрын
BAM -_- -_- -_- -_- :P
@vertigo29303 жыл бұрын
8 year old comment still there..damn !
@dexterWES3 жыл бұрын
ferooze ali and that bitch is still around
@vertigo29303 жыл бұрын
@@dexterWES amen to that !
@D.MINORRR12 жыл бұрын
WHERE IS THE REST OF THE INTERVIEW.
@devtherevLS12 жыл бұрын
Two of the greatest figures to ever grace music. Both of these men are geniuses in their own right. RIP Tony
@salopro863 жыл бұрын
Man, I was a huge Pumpkins fan as a kid back in the Siamese Dream to Machins era. Stood 8 hours in line at the Waterloo records in Austin to get my Aeroplane Flies High box-set signed during the Resume the Pose tour(it was MADM, instead of Darcy, oh well), also waited 6 hours in line at Austin City Music Hall to be close to the front at the Sacred and Profane tour back in 2000, so I think I have enough fan-cred to state that Billy Corgan really seems like a douchebag. Lol
@bojangles64442 жыл бұрын
A nerdy douche bag. On one level he is like a a child or teenager with arrested development. Something about him is not all there. Like when he says he saw a shapeshifter… on Rogan I think much more recent. I dunno what a famous person would want to be in Chicago for. Go get a house not a city full of apartments. It’s a lot better than being packed with people above and below like a sardine i reckon. I have met Dennis Rodman “his friend”, dude isn’t right in the head either. Dude acts friendly but he just wants attention all the freaking time. Shook my hand when I was a kid didn’t say anything. I don’t think he is too smart goes to N Korea lol 😂
@COLTRONNN2 жыл бұрын
you waited in line so you know that billy is an asshole? nice dude.
@wvu057 ай бұрын
Nobody said he wasn't talented and a brilliant artist. Nobody also said that he wasn't a jerk.
@Exodus-sb8so3 жыл бұрын
Why would you admit to fucking Courtney love?? That's like saying ive eaten a cheeseburger from McDonald's ... Who hasnt
@goa6993 жыл бұрын
Lol If she ended up with billy he would probably be the one dead instead of kurt.
@koolklif7 жыл бұрын
ya what about the sighting of her and a unamed smahing pumpkins member hooking just before kurts death
@sjin88966 жыл бұрын
this was filmed in the same room at the same time? watch it closely...
@pts52173 жыл бұрын
Right. The lighting is off
@83n80y2 жыл бұрын
LOL! Yeah, I also immediately noticed the sound was completely different. Billy's mic is 100x better quality. The lighting is brighter as well.
@stratchic6 жыл бұрын
She wanted to f with Billy. He threw her out, so she went down the block and slept with Kurt, then tried again get with Billy and then shortly after married Kurt? Classy.
@auroraborealis63985 жыл бұрын
what did you expect ? lol
@patriciapedercini79355 жыл бұрын
stratchic nothing but class
@theblakex5 жыл бұрын
Even better she went back to Billy just 3 weeks after Kurt died
@malloryknox68023 жыл бұрын
@@theblakex billy must have a good d
@pavelakhmadeev92613 жыл бұрын
What a coincidence Kurt was there down the block? Exactly at a time he kicked her out
@jasenator13233 жыл бұрын
Its the way the universe plays
@mikeywhite70312 жыл бұрын
I think they were on tour together in '92
@chrisconnor54187 жыл бұрын
"courtney love" and "sexy" are unrelated terms
@theinternetkilledmusic20547 жыл бұрын
Courtney was really sexy...
@sl464957 жыл бұрын
The Internet Killed Music was...
@theinternetkilledmusic20547 жыл бұрын
Well yea but everyone looks like shit when they get old. Age is harsh.
@wilsonblauheuer65447 жыл бұрын
Courtney love is a weird looking woman whose behavior seems to be intolerable. Corgan is not much better to look at.
@Macnavor7 жыл бұрын
Courtney Love and Sexy are not synonyms!!!!
@chrisallen97436 жыл бұрын
Frankie cannot be Kurts daughter. He has a butt chin, she does not. That is a DOMINANT trait--Frankie, if she is Kurts, would 100% have a butt chin as well...She cant be his... Fuck...i just realized this. Depressing.
@malloryknox68023 жыл бұрын
She got fillers on her chin, as she did everywhere else on her face
@kawaiitos Жыл бұрын
OMG you're right! I never thought about that!
@chrisallen9743 Жыл бұрын
@@kawaiitos I know this because i have a butt chin, and have a daughter that looks exactly like me--even down to the butt chin. i remember her mother being happy that she would have one, because she thinks its a good defining feature.
@radiomindchatter79942 жыл бұрын
He changed his tune years later about the business..check out the Joe Rogan podcast...
@chrisridenhour3 жыл бұрын
Tony Wilson - wow what a legend
@luapssub241516 жыл бұрын
RIP Tony Wilson!
@kirabarsmith93537 жыл бұрын
Tony Wilson is a bigger music legend than Curt, Courtney, and Billy combined. Factory Records forever!
@odw_997 жыл бұрын
Kira Barsmith haha yeah course
@odw_997 жыл бұрын
Kira Barsmith and its Kurt
@xxoxia6 жыл бұрын
Who's Curt? You mean Curt from the Meat Puppets?
@erikmolnar65856 жыл бұрын
Rest in Peaces Tony Wilson. Definitely missed
@rubbersoul420 Жыл бұрын
I know have respect for Billy Corgan's patience.
@Nathan-gd7xq4 жыл бұрын
Every time I see Tony Wilson in something I'm reminded that they made no effort to make Steve Coogan look like him in 24 Hour Party People.
@kaanayp4 жыл бұрын
Lol true for the rest of the movie. JD members in that movie look like they are from a distant alternative universe
@ZachAttackO07 жыл бұрын
I dont understand is Smashing Pumpkins and Nirvana friends or do they not like each other??
@Mytube7777 жыл бұрын
ZachTheGamer 812 They were pretty much friendly to each other. Courtney used to fuck Billy, even though he usually had a girlfriend that never new about her. The guys were always friendly to each other.
@Ajlakritz7 жыл бұрын
Mytube777 no Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins were not friends. Nirvana and all the other cool bands (Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, Mudhoney, etc) always thought the Pumpkins sucked and were a joke. Kim Gordon always talks about how they thought Billy was gross and lame. The Pumpkins suck!
@Mytube7777 жыл бұрын
Andrew Lakritz Yep Smashing Pumpkins does suck. Although I sat in a room with all them and they acted friendly to each other. I also met Kim too. I was Jenner Finch's roommate for a while, I saw all sorts of shit.
@belleofkilronan85657 жыл бұрын
Do tell
@ZachAttackO07 жыл бұрын
Mytube777 Ah thanks for telling me
@justinhopper59413 жыл бұрын
Courtney had one goal. To latch on to a talented musician and ride that horse to money and fame.
@BushyHairedStranger3 жыл бұрын
Courtney had been doing this since she was 15.
@andymorphic673 жыл бұрын
you ever see hole in their prime? better than nirvana.
@justinhopper59413 жыл бұрын
@@andymorphic67 Good one, I wouldn’t open with it...but it’s funny lol
@PO-si4ty3 жыл бұрын
And kill them
@deckofcards873 жыл бұрын
@@andymorphic67 I mean that's not much of a triumph, but both were crappy overrated bands to begin with
@clevername88322 жыл бұрын
Imagine that. It could have been that Nirvana still had Kurt and that either Billy and Courtney stayed together or she got him killed instead.
@Marius-vw9hp6 жыл бұрын
Kurt fell trap to the one thing he hates. Courtney was the opposite of everything Kurt stood for.
@thesecondYouTube5 жыл бұрын
Obviously she wasn't otherwise he wouldn't have married her.
@maulcs5 жыл бұрын
@@thesecondKZbin She definitely was. She wanted all the glamour, fame, expensive cars, and he didn't. He once described their relationship like "Evian water and battery acid" - it was an opposite attracts situation that ultimately turned out to be volatile.
@alukuhito3 жыл бұрын
@@thesecondKZbin No. Opposites attract.
@krisfrederick50013 жыл бұрын
I get the sense that Billy knows what actually happened to Kurt.
@allancastilini46473 жыл бұрын
what actually happened to Kurt = he killed himself, get over it
@ervin97202 жыл бұрын
@@allancastilini4647 if by "he" you mean Courtney and by "himself" you mean Kurt then you are correct
@GnomeChomsky99992 жыл бұрын
Truth is Kurt thought Courtney was having an affair, but I think he was mistaken.. Everyone probably knows this, but it's not highly publicized or talked about..
@stephensullivan18792 жыл бұрын
he definitely didn't kill himself I don't even like nirvana but the evidence that he couldn't have done it is overwhelming.
@Munnwort2 жыл бұрын
On the Joe Rohan podcast said he knows about a lot of stuff about events that happened while knowing what’s true & what’s false, so maybe
@Jazzyteach656 жыл бұрын
Is it true that Courtney slept with Corgan two days after Cobain died?
@jennblue24646 жыл бұрын
Yea, apparently she was (kind of bragging) to the private investigator she hired that she was with Billy a few days after Kurt died.
@auroraborealis63985 жыл бұрын
2 weeks after she was with evan dando from the lemonheads. I bet he was not the only one haha..
@user-hw6kq1fn2l4 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid she slept with him even when Kurt was alive and was her husband.
@user-hw6kq1fn2l4 жыл бұрын
@Diana Moore Courtney considered Billy a great lover you can find a video where she mentioned that.
@user-hw6kq1fn2l4 жыл бұрын
@Diana Moore Sorry, my English is not very good. A lot of Nirvana fans don't trust Courtney. That's it.
@Dominatrix974 жыл бұрын
2005?!?
@TezTezTezTezTez4 жыл бұрын
RIP Tony
@mylove-gm3wk9 жыл бұрын
I think one of the reasons Kurt could not stay "SATISFIED OR HAPPY"...is because he started to see Courtney's true colors. She's always had an alterior motive that always benefited herself. She couldn't keep her legs closed, she basically slept her way to the top. She is a narcissist, I can see why her own daughter can't stand her. Courtney is fucking embarrassing, and is a COMPULSIVE LIAR!!!
@zackfulton38899 жыл бұрын
mylove Tell me more about how you know everything about someone you don't even know lol
@masennakonieczny23778 жыл бұрын
+mylove even her own father says those things about her
@AB-bt9eb7 жыл бұрын
Some Nirvana fans really treat Kurt as this perennial victim, which he was not. He had the power/will to live his life how he chose. Respect that and stop infantalyzing and justifying him and his legacy.
@delhidelirium90917 жыл бұрын
She´s too good in bed even for`porn star` standards, allegedly, plus she´s older than all these cats - I can absolutely understand how she played these rock star kids/promoters whatever , the way she did, truly can.
@delhidelirium90917 жыл бұрын
lol, that was intimidating (even though I do not necessarily disagree lol).
@garrettpapit3 жыл бұрын
Billy can't be dumb enough to think she loved him...lol. I'm sure it was $750. She told Corgan $1100 so she could pay the guy back and keep the change to buy heroin. How can Corgan have spent so long in the music bjz and still be this naive? :-|
@caranelson7457 Жыл бұрын
Keep the change to buy heroin. 😂😂😂 All you people speculate so much.
@michaelleskauskas36453 жыл бұрын
Holy hell his hands are huge.
@malloryknox68023 жыл бұрын
Probably not just his hands
@jjohnson89772 жыл бұрын
This is a strory about kids being kids. thats all it is
@station26045 жыл бұрын
courtney didnt care about kurt dying$
@odw_993 жыл бұрын
Billy looks like Handsome Squidward in this
@Garf2O2 жыл бұрын
Its that brown shirt
@SunniShiaUnity2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Courtney was playing the odds and just wanted to marry any rockstar. If only she had hooked up with Billy, Kurt would still be alive today
@NiueanHoney4 жыл бұрын
But weren’t you playing in Memphis that night Billy??
@carsonhall13666 жыл бұрын
What I find interesting is that Frances Bean looks so much like Corgan before she had plastic surgery. I mean almost exactly, she looks a lot like Courtney too. She looked nothing like Kurt, and I still do not see any resemblance after plastic surgery. I mean, come one, Courtney was dating Corgan when she met Kurt and she wasn't exactly a virgin. To bad there was never a paternity test. Or was there one and I just never heard of it?
@bigmuffexpress6 жыл бұрын
Her hands are identical to Kurts, as well as her nose and mouth. Kurt had these big kind of spindly hands that are fairly distinctive. Also she was conceived in December of 91 which doesn't line up with her involvement with Corgan at the time.
@auroraborealis63985 жыл бұрын
NOOO, she is kurt spitting image. I mean, she WAS. Before plastic surgery
@maulcs5 жыл бұрын
She absolutely looks like Kurt.
@dooley8746 Жыл бұрын
You're close to seeing the truth. Part of the problem is people think the adult women who pose as Frances (who do resemble Corgan because they are related to him and Courtney) are the same person as the baby(who clearly had her mother's nose, not Corgan's or Kurt's nose) that you saw at the VMAs. They aren't.
@FindingNorcal3 жыл бұрын
Forever in love with Billy ♓
@frogerfury6 жыл бұрын
contrast corgans last statement with his interview on joe rogans podcast
@gathrightcrystal11 ай бұрын
What are they on ?!
@dayana3694 жыл бұрын
podrias subtitularlo al español , plis
@hekakain41083 жыл бұрын
So it is Corgan's fault...ffs!
@gathrightcrystal11 ай бұрын
Did billy just say courtney was in love with him ?! What is he smoking w tony to be able to believe this while ignoring the sound of freedom ?!
@BushyHairedStranger3 жыл бұрын
3:25,...that was pretty good..
@sexobscura6 жыл бұрын
Proof of CL's opportunism or just proof of it's opportunism
@PrivateSchemers16 жыл бұрын
Billy knew how to handle a slag. Throw em out! If only Kurt had the same instinct.
@amymuchko7106 Жыл бұрын
IT IS RIDICULOUS FOR HIM TO SAY KURT RUINED HIS ROMANCE!
@julesvan Жыл бұрын
I think he meant the manager who bought Courtney plane tickets. Either way, I agree that Billy is the only person who ruined his romance. Even here you can tell he is proud of that time he had two girlfriends and the only reason everything ended is that he was caught in the worst possible way.