Sony a7C II & a7C R Review: Best full-frame mirrorless cameras for travel photography!

[@Anonymous99997]

My a7rIV is my main camera and my a7c is my backup/travel camera. The idea of having a backup that will shoot as well as my main camera is appealing. Having a travel camera that I can combine with a compact prime like my 50mm 2.8 for travel is also appealing. I am with Tony on this one.

[@charlesrodriguez491]

The speed of Imaging Edge, Sony's photo app, isn't the main problem. Getting it to connect the first time and staying connected is the issue.

[@25eazi]

image edge disconnects if you try to view photos on camera. If you view on your tablet or phone it works almost flawless. I use it and it has great range. Now the creators app allows the transfer of raw files and allows you to view photos on camera without disconnecting. It does disconnect randomly being it is a newer app and not quite as refine as image Edge is.

[@cb1997]

Have you tried turning off Bluetooth?

[@timgurr1876]

Thanks for the review. I would like to see a comparison between Sony a6700 and Sony a7Cii with comparable lenses with discussion on advantages and disadvantages. Thanks again.

[@DSpencerS]

This is what I’d like to see also please. If you do it, please comment on each’s suitability for wildlife stills photography

[@martinruiz398]

These make great street/travel/backup cameras to their bigger brothers. I would not use these as a main camera though due to the low screen resolution, tiny EVF, 1 SD card slot, and no joystick. These simple things make the whole user experience so much better but are forgivable as a second camera.

[@paulydltvideos]

What camera are you guys filming with? This footage of you two is amazing!

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Sony a7S III + 24 f/1.4 and 35 f/1.4 GM.

[@oleglebedev7613]

I have Sony a7r4a and I absolutely love it, image quality is beyond amazing .Besides all these high megapixel cameras have been based upon a previous sensor, that was produced back in 2019. It's pretty much about marketing, but those nice flip out screens and videos specs are worth mentioning without any doubt, however, in terms of image quality there hasn't been any significant upgrade ever since

[@JeffreyVanScoyk]

Great review! I think both cameras have better viewfinder magnification than the original a7c. It was .59 and I have read these are .7.

[@ilanhoward]

The C2 has an AI chip the 7IV doesn’t, but in the video it is mentioned they are the same. Also, C2 has a new EVF.

[@sjsphotog]

Yes the 7Cii has the better menus and the AI chip that the A7IV does not. They are exactlyt the same based on the SENSORS of 33 MP and 61 MP of their bigger counterparts (the A7IV and A7R5)

[@Clemme]

I wouldnt say the A7C has a weak autofocus. It's older, but focus is pretty nailed on in most situations.

[@LucidCreature]

Been shooting on a 7CII for a month now (recently switched from Nikon D750). I’m beyond impressed, and highly recommend it.

[@stevenwaldstein2249]

Thank you for the video. While the view finders are the same resolution as the A7C the magnification is not. Also the rear LCD is a little higher resolution and neither version supports 1/8000 shutter like the bigger brother they were derived from. Also as others asked how would the C II compare to the A6700 feature for feature and with a lens set that is appropriately sized for each body.

[@sjsphotog]

Check out the video by Mark Galer where he has a fantastic table/chart comparing the A7C mark 1 vs A7Cii vs a6700 vs a7IV

[@opti420sk]

Thanks for testing the video quality comparison, very useful. Something I didn't see any other reviewer do 🎉

[@benoittissier58]

Would have loved to see a "running Tony" test comparing the A7cii, A7iv and A6700.

[@Citizenflaba]

Lol that sounds like code talk, “Johnson give me a Running Tony”

[@benoittissier58]

@@Citizenflaba People following the channel know it's about the latest AF tests. I'm surprised that the none of my usual reviewers (Damien Bernal, Amazing Nature Alpha, Northrups) made an actual AF test. Jared Polin did, but it's more a tracking test. Tracking already works great on the A7iv, but focusing does not for fast moving subjects.I would have liked to see if the A7cii is an improvement there.

[@ddpluxurytravel]

Have the current A7C, I want the A7C R so full of features and compact. Cool to use it for night time video.

[@georgemahlum6542]

I don't do much video now days...I just traded out all my M43 gear (got tired of waiting for Panasonic and OM to upgrade/continue their GX9 and Pen F lines (which have been my portable staples for years). I have gone back to my Sony Gear...Now I use two original A7c (used) and an even older A7s (...great for night work) for all my street/work/play/etc. I am an American retired in the wonderful city of Bangkok...(Thanks for your revue on Zooms a while recently) I will be purchasing a Sony fe 200-600/5.6-6.3 for my street/planes/boats/animals/etc fun in a couple of months...I presently own the fe70-200/4 which serves me just fine for up close work. Cheers P.S. I cant believe Panasonic pumped out something like the S9 for the video folks without first upgrading the small GX9 in M43....

[@tsizzle]

Great video, thanks for the great first look into these cameras. Hope to hear a bit more about over heating test results in a future in-depth review. Also, I know battery life is taking a HUGE hit (540/510 CIPA vs. 740/680 CIPA in the original A7C) which is both expected but still disappointing. Would also be interested to know if A7C2 suffers from what some users have complained about noise in shadow details and also not as sharp eye AF when using wide open apertures as the A7IV? Finally, do you think it’s worth upgrading from the original A7C to A7C2 for photography?

[@aufakhayri7502]

Outstanding review as always, hey tony i am a travel and sport photographer and i want to upgrade my gear, currently i am using the sony a7ii with the 28-70 kit lens, viltrox 85mm and tamron 70-300. My main problem with my a7ii is i can't focus at low light and the burst shooting is only 5 fps, based on your review the sony a7cii have a good auto focus but it only shoot up to 10fps, i am also considering the canon r6 since it can shoot up to 12 fps and have a really good af and paired it with the EF 24-70 F2.8 and the EF 70-200 f2.8 ii which one do you think is better? Should i go sony or canon???

[@truthseeker6804]

most canon cameras are good for sports, the only sony good for sports is a1 and a9ii. go for the r6ii with 70-200

[@zegzbrutal]

You have Canon lenses already? Then Canon, maybe R6ii instead of R6. Since you saved money from buying another system

[@aufakhayri7502]

@@zegzbrutal no i don't have any canon lenses, i am using the sony a7ii with the kit lens and the tamron 70-300 and the viltrox 85mm, do you think i should sell all of my gear and buy the canon r6 since the canon r6 af is very good and have a fast burst speed and pair it with the EF 24-70 F2.8 + EF 70-200 IS ii or should i just trade my a7ii with the a7cii?

[@zegzbrutal]

@@aufakhayri7502 fast camera and telephoto, only Canon has the cheapest option. As an R6 owner, i will say get the R6ii if budget allows, RF100-400 is capable of doing most of the daylight shootings

[@aufakhayri7502]

@@zegzbrutal what do you think if i went with the canon r6 paired with the canon 70-200 is ii ef version (adapted) can it perform better than the sony a7iv/a7cii with tamron lenses?

[@crazzei]

The dual sd card always has me wondering. How often do people actually lose data off those things? Is having two really necessary?

[@qizhang5042]

I just wonder how many travel cameras Mr. and Mrs. Northrup bring for a leisure trip. I count about eleven so far 😉

[@angelmusical70]

I think making a small full frame camera is a smart move from Sony. I am a canon user and want a small travel camera, even when I have an M50, but love full frame files. I’m thinking into buying one for travel. Who knows in the long end I might like Sony and jump ships

[@tennissir1986]

AMAZING ! ! ! They didn’t mention the A7CR Line Skips the sensor at some 4K videos causing noticeable loss of detail.

[@DarrellYoung]

Chelsea, great review, except for one error: there is no parallax failure (2:02) in a Sony A7CII or A7CR camera's EVF. This is not an offset rangefinder camera. What you see in the viewfinder is what the lens sees, even though the EVF is offset from lens center.

[@lancairdriver]

Tony, did you end up buying the A7CR? and are you still enamored of it? If not, please say why. Thanks for video.

[@stkuj]

The a7c will be a great deal for a travel FF camera now!

[@CalebHembree]

Could you do a video on the top best Canon lenses for under 1000 dollars?

[@121155377]

Wow, good to know Tony. A max flash sync speed of 1/160 is a deal breaker

[@navpreetsingh8156]

Off topic but what drone do you use? Looks like it has good depth to the video,

[@janvanroekel6787]

Dear, I would like to ask You a question…. I have a Sony camera A7R3- system-version 3.10 and I would like to ask you if the following is possible with this camera with a Sony 85mm F1.8 lens and aperture maybe set on F 5.6. I would like to make a timelapse/interval shooting, let’s say every 3 seconds a shot over a period of 30 seconds (10 shots in total) with myself in the picture walking towards the camera itself on tripod….. with eye-autofocus ON and real time tracking ON… and nobody pressing any button on the camera except myself pressing start and running towards my startpoint … I start walking at 25 meter distance… walk slowly towards the camera and looking into the lens…. After 30 seconds I’ll be at 1 meter distance away in front of the camera….. I’ll be happy with maybe 5 or 6 sharp pictures…. Of the total 10 pics…. I am trying but donot succeed… I cannot find the right settings …. I presume that my 6-year old Sony A7R3 cannot do this…. But…which Sony camera could do this? Maybe the Sony A7R4 or A7R5 or A7CR or… none these… ??? Do I have to switch brands? I try to find answers on the web… but I find nothing in clear detail about this item… Please advise me! Thank You so much for your time! Greetings, Jan van Roekel - Aruba - DWI Whatsapp [phone]

[@logtothebase2]

Basically get the full sized models unless you want a slightly smaller less intrusive rig, you will need to make some different lens choices for full effect.

[@tj2375]

What are you talking about? These cameras are full frame you don't need to select a different lens to have the same effect in an a7c and an a7 iv

[@logtothebase2]

I mean by full sized, the equivalent sensored models with the faux pentaprism slightly deeper grips and specs, I forget the model numbers but its in the Northrup's Video, sorry if that was not clear@@tj2375

[@ste8ven]

Is there a way to find out which camera and what lens this video was filmed on? I always find Tony's videos and background blurr to be the top level quality.

[@kungfool69]

this is great to see more compact designed full frame cameras! I used the original A7c for a friends wedding and loved it, so these willl be great!

[@GeertDelmulle]

I currently use a A7C as a fulltime webcam. It works very well, although the AF could be a little better. I ordered the A7C2 to replace that, but I’m in no rush, so I’ll take my time to play with it… :-)

[@georgekontos1839]

Tony, what are the tweaks you refer to in the video for reducing noise and increasing sharpness on the A7CR when shooting at high ISO? In-camera or in post-processing?

[@EmilWall]

Post-processing, most likely. Lower resolution sensors produce less noise SOOC whereas higher res generally produces a better noise-to-signal ratio which means if you apply noise reduction you can get more details with the same amount of noise as with a lower res sensor.

[@maggnet4829]

Probably to change to 26Mpix RAW.

[@DSpencerS]

I’m looking to upgrade from the A6600, mostly shooting wildlife stills (birds in flight) with the Sony 200-600. I’m really excited by the new auto focus systems and trying to decide between the A6700, the A7CII or do both have so many compromises that I need to spend the money on a used A1 or switching to a Z8 ( I’m not keen to spend this kind of money on either). Any thoughts?

[@PhotoTrekr]

Just returned from a trip. If I'd had an a7cr, I would have taken it. Looks like the perfect travel camera for me.

[@rossmpt]

Thanks for the video. What's the y axis on the IBIS plot? I'm surprised the results are so comparable given the quoted difference in specs!

[@MikeC2K10]

Now that full frame sensors have 60 megapixels, the pixel pitch is about the same as a 20 megapixel M43 sensor, and is smaller than the pixels on many APS-C sensors. Do the 60 megapixel sensors have dynamic range more in line with the smaller M43 sensors, or is there something more to the relation between pixel size and dynamic range than that?

[@geraldpolymath]

I just bought the Sony a7RV. I haven't received it yet. Should I send it back and purchase the a7C R. I'm mostly using it for photos, especially at my grandkids football game and other sport games. Plus, nature shops and vacation shots. If you could please help with my decision; please, let me know.

[@dukeneverwinter]

Keep the a7 r 5. Speed and handling will work well for sports

[@badbad2000]

4:11 said a7cR 4k/60 without crop? It should have 1.24x crop.

[@dirtbagmoto]

I've noticed that as well and agree it should have been mentioned. There is a crop and that should be been mentioned even though it's way better than the a7IV and CII.

[@nigelcliff7390]

Ok if you're using small primes but I would guess rather unwieldy if you're using something big and heavy like my 24-105G

[@TonyAndChelsea]

I wouldn't say "unwieldy" but yeah I'd plan to primarily use these with compact primes.

[@007UA16]

Totally “unwieldy” and unbalanced.

[@daveericson8447]

​@007UA16 that's why you have 2 hands, not a big deal

[@kylegoodman5196]

While these cameras on their own are not enough to make me switch from Canon, despite all the screeching about third party glass, I think these could be a good option for travel photography.

[@MavicAir2TW]

Thanks for the review! I got A6700. The A7CII looks like the A6700, with a similar body design and menu, Any overheating issues when recording for long time or more than 30 min.? Do A7CII and A7CR have cooling fans?

[@Soras_]

I don't think there is a sony camera with a cooling fans

[@stevenwaldstein2249]

Time for an updated question. Have you considered using either of the new G zooms like the 24-50/2.8 G or 16-25/2.8 G on the bodies you bought? Any feedback on combining those lenses with these bodies? Let us know and take care.

[@Hodenkat]

I'd like to see a head to head A7CII against the Canon R6II please!

[@movieman2009]

If you were ok with crop sensor how would the Sony A6700 vs A7C mark ii compare ?

[@tj2375]

The appeal of the a7c is being full frame ...

[@007UA16]

The body is the size of an APSC camera; however, start slapping full frame glass on the body and the size increases dramatically. If you’re wanting a small travel camera, more features and cheaper, Fuji still can’t be beat.

[@rogerhuston8287]

I haven't checked in in a while, new camera video so does this mean Chelsea is changing camera systems again?

[@TheGoldenMan99]

What lens would you recommend with the a7c2 for 6-month travel through South America? Oh and maybe other nice / useful equipment for the travel. (Should keep it somewhat compact)

[@sjsphotog]

most likely a zoom. The new Sigma constant aperture f2.8 28-50 would be a good choice if you dont need that much reach. depends on what your shouting. Just street? or everything near and far, where you might need something like a 24-105 or similar.

[@yashtholia]

I have a question about a7 c2 . Tere is no joystick on that so how to shift focus when I'm using viewfinder ?? Is it good for wedding ?

[@alecsbuga]

Man the naming scheme is so confusing. I was comparing these on a local shop website and I still have no idea which is which. Also. They could’ve rounded the bodies a little bit. Like the RX1. That was actually beautiful.

[@jukeboxjohnnie]

Id like the R with the 20-70mm. Im in the UK I'll just import a grey one from Hong Kong when the prices drop a bit

[@CheefyArbiter]

A7Cii 4k60fps with 1.5 times crop? Kinda lame and a hard pass for me unfortunately. I'll stick to my Canon R8, which is excellent for it's price. Guess I'll just have to use stabalised lenses though..

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Yeah, Sony really hasn't introduced a good competitor to the R8. We film in 4k/60, so the R8 would be my pick as a hybrid camera at that price point. I like the viewfinder on the R8 better, too.

[@aulddug3634]

Does Adorama have links in the UK?

[@lonceysbusiness333]

The video quality is other way around Tony please look the letters on the bottle? Thanks anyways love your work and you are both so funny 😂😊❤

[@truthseeker6804]

would be interesting to see overheating performance

[@adama-k2710]

Probably combusts after a few hours of 4K

[@RichartAsia]

If it doesn't overheat it's not a Sony 😂

[@alanerpington5698]

I saw Gerald Undone's video, he had them running for a couple hours indoors without overheating. We'll see how it does in hotter environments.

[@danlevitan8065]

The Rokinon/Samyang CineAF primes are great on these.

[@tomscott4438]

My KZbin feed is filled with these reviews. Here's the thing; I'm looking to downsize my current kit for a smaller form factor. And... neither of these cameras holds the slightest interest to me. They are certainly less expensive than other FF Sony models. But to achieve the price point they dropped essential features (video specs, crap EVF, no joystick, single card slot...) and still priced them at $2,200 and $3,000 respectively. Add a decent lens and this gets very close to a Leica Q3. Ok, it's a fixed lens, but superior by a mile in every other way.

[@Chris-ey7zy]

1/160 Vs 1/250 no biggie. Use Nd to bring down light levels to 1/160 to just get a more powerful flash tor hss. Come on, now you are just being picky

[@aviatorman8]

Thanks for the review. Do you know if the A7CR’s sensor lack the AA filter?

[@TonyAndChelsea]

I believe it has no AA filter.

[@aviatorman8]

@@TonyAndChelsea makes sense. That camera is setting a new industry standard and is in my future 🙂. Cheers from Seattle!

[@hdwblade]

Dang i have an a7r4 and wanted the a7c but got auch a good deal I went with the r4.... Thinking if i could find a way to do a direct swap I might do it. If they made the front screen brighter it would be an easy yes. But i also have the massive sigma 35mm 1.4 which would probably looks nuts on this body lol

[@groggu]

I do love my A7C (silver!). Thanks for great review, love your insight and knowledge. Any feedback on how these two would work for wildlife or bird photography?

[@andyp5693]

Why do Sony persist with crappy 1m dot LCD screens on so many of their cameras? £3000 in 2023 and these lot can't give us a half decent LCD screen?? Affects those who review images in camera after taking them. Which is a lot of people!!!

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Yeah that was the most frustrating aspect of these cameras. You literally can't tell if something is in focus. Fortunately the AF is really good, so wherever it said it was going to focus did turn out to be in focus... but still, I need more detail.

[@andyp5693]

For work where critical focus is needed (e.g. product photography I do) can't get away with 1m dot screens for zooming in post shot to see assess focus. 1.44m dot is borderline in my experience, with 2m+ dot being what you need (Canon R / Nikon Z have them across their high end lineup)

[@andyp5693]

For the A7CR especially it's bizarre to go with such a poor screen. People who buy high res bodies are often pixel peepers who can't be that happy with the experience of zooming in on a 1m dot screen. Real head scratcher.

[@MusicOfDreamweaver]

Why do these cameras cap the resolution for video at 4K? Alot of action cameras have 5.7K output and the 4K is oversampled down anyway. I would love to have the extra resolution for reframing.

[@michaell5806]

Leica Q3 or Sony a7CR 🤔

[@bacaloubaca4781]

.. a similar question to my own.. 🧐😅

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Chelsea has a Q2 and recorded a video about that exact topic. Should be out in a few days.

[@ИльяЩукин-о4ы]

Adorama is our sponsor who allows us to do objective reviews of 2023 cameras for $3,000, which have a viewfinder with a resolution of 2.36 m dots from 2012. Thank you, your reviews are very objective!)))

[@jerzys192]

A7C II and A7C R redundant models for me. A7 IV or A7R IV are small anyway. They better make A7 V and 8K 100 fps without croop

[@refan2021]

the a7c ii sensor can't be closed like a7iv? and is there a weather seal like a7iv? and the memory can use cf express?

[@donstravelsandrants.]

Love new camera reviews. 👍😊🇮🇪🇺🇲

[@JosephHaubert]

Beautiful area to try out the cameras. Love CT

[@diegocaracasfc]

Would you rather have the A7CII or the Panasonic S5 IIx?

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Depends what you're doing. If you're a serious filmmaker, the S5 IIx has lots of important features. For casual shooting, the a7C II has better autofocus and is much smaller.

[@diegocaracasfc]

@@TonyAndChelsea it would be used mainly for video, and with the idea to improve every time to become a better videographer

[@Citizenflaba]

I think y’all set expectations well with your conclusion that these bodies are specialized for portability and therefore fun and travel, not shooting 4k60 for hours for professional work. Regardless I’m curious about the overheating for video haha for science!

[@CalebHembree]

I’m subscribed to Tech Through The Lense, but I do not follow them as closely as I do your channel. They just made a video on the Sony a7c Mark II right after you did.

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Yeah embargo ended at 10am today so everyone probably released their videos at the same moment.

[@mlhm5]

IMO, not worth the price difference between a used like new a7c for $1500 from MPB or KEH. Secondly if you are going to put big heavy lenses on these cameras, just buy either a Sony a7iii or iv. If you want a travel, pocketable camera get the Sony RX100 VII.

[@almightyri1757]

Surprised by the amount of people loving the a7CR. I think it is about $400 overpriced. Simply not worth the savings over the a7RV. Though at first I was thinking about it so I can use my 24mm as two different lenses by switching to crop mode

[@homelessinukcz8664]

How many times there was an ad fo Adorama?

[@ClientsMusic]

what did you think of the AI performance in the CII vs the CR?

[@TonyAndChelsea]

I really didn't see any difference in autofocus performance.

[@aproject9612]

is A7CII has dual base iso?

[@sarathmenont5521]

Which camera are you using to shoot this video

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Sony a7S III with 24 f/1.4 and 35 f/1.4.

[@kentao4]

I don’t know if I’d sell my a7r5 for the a7cr but I like that idea of cropping with a prime. I have a 20 and 35 f1.8 I think would be good for travel. But that price! I think I could achieve what I want with both the a7cii and maybe the a6700….1400 is very tempting.

[@OkwyUgonweze]

3k camera with a single SD card slot and 160th sync speed for flash, this is DOA for me.

[@shawnfoodfever]

thanks for great sharing 😍😍

[@FireImageFM1]

Im staying with my 80D but great review

[@syedshuaibz]

Please talk about something new that is very sharp viltrox 27/75 for fuji .

[@007UA16]

I don’t think they really cover Fuji here. They tend to push full frame.

[@jesperhalland4452]

What about the 40mm 2,5 G ?

[@andrewgonzalez6208]

Thank you

[@MegaWeitzel]

The A7C doesn't share the AF system of the A7 III. It has RTT

[@Jimmyageek]

Sigma 17mm F4

[@nanra491]

What needs to be fixed: eye cup option for evf, fully articulating screen (a7v), dual card slots, ( even microSD ). Also wtf is going on with those abysmal e-shutter speeds? Cmon Sony

[@justinsphotography6779]

I don’t imagine the A7C is weak in auto focus lol maybe it’s more like great and even better.

[@dannydivine7699]

Is the A7CII covering the HUGE hole in Canons lineup, and is it going to convert me from a forever Canon guy?? ROFL yes Silver is the ONLY option!!!

[@Mikkel0404]

It could be interesting to see a comparison between a Leica Q3 and a Sony A7cR with a 24mm/1.4; a Leica Q2 would do. Cropping-in to 35 mm , 50 mm and 75 mm on both cameras. Thank you

[@SimplestUsername]

In my opinion they should have made the bold choice to sync the name numeral with the cameras they're based on. This is just confusing.

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Yeah that would make a lot of sense. Or at least make them the a7C II and a7C II R. It's going to get really bad when we have the a7 V, a7C III, a7R VI and a7C II R? Or will the roman numerals go before the R? God help me.

[@niceyesplease]

Screen Resolution still like its 1999.

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Yeah, that's really how it feels. It's all pixelated and you can't even really tell when something is in focus.

[@FireImageFM1]

My next one would be the 90D

[@paulmaher1705]

Loud shutter noise is an issue in so many scenarios.

[@Arcticfox7]

Sony's low light noise is very unsightly for some reason. Canon does a much better job at it, it looks smooth and pleasing

[@-grey]

Look at the size of it. 😮 The audacity that Fujifilm isn't making a smaller aps-c camera right now with that tiny mount. 😂 I have all this XF glass and no body because they only want to sell me the kitchen sink. C'mon Fuj if you're not going to even have great AF with all that bulk, at least take a page from Sony's book, and appeal to your EDC base again. Give me an X-M2 or an X70S. 🙏

[@PhilippeOrlando]

Yeah, if you accept not to have a zoom and you are ready to work with a couple of primes, one on the cam the other in your pocket. As soon as you put a zoom on those, they're not compact anymore. That's the beauty of full frame.

[@tj2375]

I don't use zooms. I'm not a "real photographer"?

[@gamebuster800]

I'm convinced: I want an A7R-V. edit: I bought an A7R V hah

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Yeah, after we made the video, I began to second-guess my choice to travel with the a7CR. The viewfinder just isn't fun to use and that's part of the experience for me. I'm also paranoid about having only a single card slot... Would hate to lose my pics. But then it's so small and cute! I dunno.

[@mikelay5360]

The money will go to sony anyway, they won't mind 😊

[@gamebuster800]

@@TonyAndChelsea Why can't we just have cameras upload their stuff to the cloud instantly anyway? How hard is it to add a sim-card slot and make it upload your photos (at least JPEG backups) in the background. While they're at it, why is file system encryption not an option yet in 2023?

[@vivekanand2588]

A cellular radio is a battery hog, even more so when you're out of network area and it has to search for or connect to a weak signal. Not so ideal for camera, however they should put an optional variant for people who really want it.

[@gamebuster800]

@@vivekanand2588 Well if a modern phone can get days of standby-time, so can a camera. It can be opt-in for those who need it. It can save a lot of time as well, as you could browse your cloud pictures directly on your phone or PC before you even connect the camera to your laptop.

[@GallicGarlic]

Take note CANON !!!! That’s what I want .. Same form factor as the M-Line 😎

[@Citizenflaba]

I feel like canon not raising the price at all on its R6 mark 2 was sufficient lol the screen and evf are also usable for checking focus and bright so that’s nice. Both manufacturers seem to be focused on different things to differentiate. Sony with all these bodies that each have pros and cons. Canon just starting to widen the field with bodies and readying the second iterations of all its mainline mirrorless bodies

[@angelmusical70]

I’m with you! I want something small like M6 mark II with RF system. The R8 is too big.