Sony a7C II & a7CR Initial Review: Lightweight Bodies with HEAVYWEIGHT Features!

[@johnhphotography6084]

I owned the A7C for about 2 years and loved it. It was bought as a secondry, smaller and lighter option to my A7R3. I found it to be a great camera for just about everything i ever shot - landscapes, wildlife, weddings, family life....i ended up selling both the A7C and A7r3 to buy the A7R5 and whilst i love the sound of this new A7C2, ooof that 60mp sensor in a tiny little body is very very tempting! To be honest, i never felt i needed more from my A7C, it was perfect for my needs, but i can really see the A7CR's potential and will most likely order one before the end of the year - could be a perfect landscape camera!

[@Gremlack13]

I like how Sonys thoughts of entry level full frame camera is $2200-2500. I respect canon s d Nikon for creating entry level full frame cameras in the $1000-1300 price point. I started in full frame with a canon rp and have now graduated to a r6II. It really makes a difference to create an affordable in to hook consumers.

[@mralexlex]

Get your facts straight and go and see Sony FF cameras sub 2000, 1000 $€

[@KomSand18]

Yes. Canon and Nikon do make good budget mirrorless cameras. Be it FF or APSC.

[@mralexlex]

@@KomSand18 an Sony dont?

[@kenl6324]

@@mralexlexName a single newest release Sony FF mirrorless camera under $2000 - there aren’t any. The only options under $2000 now are older models released years ago such as the A7ii, A7Iii, or the original A7c. If you want a newest release FF mirrorless model under $2K, Sony has no options. Meanwhile, the most recently released FF mirrorless entry level option from Canon is well under $2K. Canon has the recently released R8 at $1499, a brand new entry level FF camera model $700 cheaper than the cheapest recent release entry level Sony A7cii offering.

[@IanHobday]

Cheaper bodies but no 3rd party glass on RF and very little on Z. A cheap body doesn't do much without a good affordable ecosystem. And don't go on about adapted glass because that's just encouraging people to spend good money on gear that is already old, and having to use adapters sucks.

[@alhOOO2O]

Fantastic even handed video as always guys, thank you! Absolutely gutted they didn't put a high quality EVF in the R - so much of a 'rangefinder' style shooting experience IS the shooting experience, and it would have been perfect for that.

[@SilatShooter]

Got a chance to handle the A7cr and must say I was less impressed than anticipated. In the A7cR, you're giving up some substantial daily use features like the amazing viewfinder and flexible higher res rear screen on the A7RV, not to mention the better IBIS, Shooting Speed, Full Size ports, Two card slots and more capable card slots and much better ergonomics for working with larger GM lenses. The sensor on the A7RV/A7Cr really requires better glass and those in almost all cases are the larger GM and Sigma, Tamron faster lenses. Those lenses felt huge and front heavy on the A7Cr in my hands. So I would encourage folks to put both camera and lens combos in your hands WITH the lenses you will use or OWN before pulling out your credit card. I'm glad I did, I think the A7RV is the better camera and I'd grab a clean used one before I purchased an A7Cr (for whatever it's worth). Will add that I'm finding more and more KZbinrs singing the praises of each new release, and the same reviewers tore Nikon a 'new one' for one card slot in their mirrorless cameras...this A7cR has one standard SD card slot in a $3K camera body, not even Cf Express capable and no rants about that?!?! Feels disingenuous.

[@Ildskalli]

Agreed on all points!

[@mlhm5]

If you are into street/vacation/all around photography, IMO, for 90% of the people out there these two cameras are certainly not worth the price difference between a used like new a7c from KEH or MPB for $1500 vs the $600USD upgrade for the a7cII and $1500USD upgrade for the a7cR. Also not worth the price $600 price difference of the a6700 because if I was going to carry a camera around that was the same size and weight as the a6700 I would carry a full frame. Additionally if you are planning to use big heavy lenses on the a7c line, just buy an a7iv because you have defeated the purpose of the a7c body. Sony made special small/tiny, lightweight fast focusing, tack sharp and pocketable lenses for the a7c - the 24mm f/2.8 and the 40mm and 50mm f/2.5 plus the 28-60mm f/4-5.6 zoom. Sure it is the kit lens but when introduced that lens was a $500 lens so it has the same qualities as the others (double linear auto-focusing motors) and covers all the focal lengths of street photography.

[@gankster9007]

I’ve had the Sony A7cii for exactly 1 year now. Absolutely love this camera

[@alexzee4356]

Hey, im interested in a7cii or a7cr , im a photography type person. My current camera is 6400 and planning to upgrade to fullframe in the near future. Which one do you think is better?

[@gankster9007]

@@alexzee4356 if you shoot nature or wildlife exclusively I would get the A7CR. The 61mp photos can be cropped in quite a bit. For video smaller megapixel is somewhat better, so 33 mp is a good compromise for hybrid

[@j16m02]

For me the big advantage of the A7CR is that I could comfortably use it as a FF camera with FF lenses or as an APSC body with the more travel friendly APSC lenses. Depending of course on the circumstances

[@SMGJohn]

You sound like a guy who buys a Ford truck, then uses it to haul one pack of eggs from supermarket.

[@j16m02]

@@SMGJohn makes no sense, but ok

[@PureToxin]

@@j16m02 I think the same, because you are still getting 26mp with the APSC lenses in super 35 mode versus my Current a6400 24.2mp. I have a hard time giving up my 18-105 internal zoom APSC lens, and Im looking to jump from APSC sensor to full frame and I have zero Full Frame lenses, so this might be a great transition camera for me.

[@redsox7897]

@@SMGJohn you make it sound like a bad thing when it's not. One truck for hauling eggs and a tractor. I think it's brilliant.

[@SMGJohn]

@@j16m02 If it makes no sense to you, then your own original comment makes no sense to you, which is rather ironic.

[@stuartcarden1371]

Sat here with my original 5D but I still get excited when new products come out. One day I might even upgrade 😜

[@pauldby1479]

How can a $3000 camera have a worse EVF than Sony's entry level APSC camera - that crazy!

[@EP50009]

because... the 7R5 costs $800? more

[@JeanV1986]

Because they can: people will still buy it.

[@akhyarrayhka4048]

bcos no gen z photog uses EVF

[@atlas5459]

@@akhyarrayhka4048 guess I don't exist anymore :(

[@severgun]

You cant release product that compete with your own current products. Who will buy 7r5?

[@brightboxstudio]

Love my A7C, fantastic full frame compact travel camera. And I sold a bunch of old gear to KEH so I’m familiar with them. But…KEH will only offer $860 for my A7C, so even though the A7C II has some nice improvements, the low KEH offer plus the A7C II price increase means a major expense to move up. Looks like I’ll wait until the A7C III or IV to upgrade.

[@martpalamine7040]

One of the big things that really kept me from the original a7c was the EVF… shame it’s mostly the same, would’ve liked a bigger one but they still sound like amazing cameras as a whole, though expensive for “entry-level”.

[@womz8203]

Technically the A7Cii's EVF has a larger magnification than the original A7C. It's 0.7x compared to 0.59x. The eyepoint has also been improved to 22mm from 20mm. It's essentially now the same EVF as on the A6700 just without the nice eyecup of the A6700. It's mostly the low resolution which is a substantial downgrade compared to the A7iv.

[@artur.charaev]

@@womz8203 We had 2360 dots and 0.7x magnification on Fujifilm X-E2 from 2013! 2013! On budget crop camera for 900$!

[@asghiasughiqughbqwg]

From where I sit the only thing entry level about the a7c was its looks. I mean, it wasn't the pro camera that you're going to shoot paid wedding gigs with. But it's very much an enthusiast device.

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

It's actually very different. Don't let the resolution numbers fool you. There are other numbers that matter more.

[@tomscott4438]

Exactly. That EVF is week, and the LCD might actually be worse. The video features have clearly been strangled (like Canon used to), no joystick, and only a single card slot? And they still come in at $2,200 and $3,000? Is this a joke? Add a decent G-Master lens and this is almost $5K. Sorry, hard pass.

[@jonathanorleyi6600]

Sony has missed the opportunity to be the only one to make a truly compact but capable full frame camera imo. The dealbreaker for me is the low resolution EVF - buying a camera for 2000$+ but getting no EVF improvement compared to my 2012 Olympus E-M5 is really not an option for me. I hope Panasonic might see this opportunity and bring out a full frame (L-Mount obvsly) GX8 with a better EVF, I'd instantly buy that...

[@shang-hsienyang1284]

​@shariqahmed336 the Zfc has no grip

[@jonathanorleyi6600]

@shariqahmed336 I get the appeal of that camera but it isn't really going to be that compact is it? And I think the Z-mount is still missing the choice of compact lenses which Sony has with their beautiful small G primes (24, 40, 50 2.5)...

[@alen2937]

Meh, I do have the a7c, it is the same evf as the a6000 and I do not see a problem with it, you use the EVF to compose not to pixel peep in live mode. I do not see an issue with it other than we need an accesory like in a6000 for the eye cup.

[@jonathanorleyi6600]

@@alen2937 Happy if it works for you but I need to be able to judge sharpness in the EVF and to focus manually on occasion - both borderline impossible with this kind of resolution and magnification. And it raises the question why we can't get it at this price point (at least for the a7CR). Fuji X100V shows it's possible while retaining a small form factor.

[@alen2937]

@@jonathanorleyi6600 that is why the magnifier exist, and if you reallly really need more resolution you can go to the a7IV or V. EVF is good as it is and at last in my case, i do focus myself manually too. Sure it can be improved but I do not see myself gaining too much from it.

[@ankera7460]

really like how you guys put up your honest opinions.. good & some not too good about this camera.. really like the honesty.. GREAT review!!!

[@manaphyex]

Why is there no one talking at the Sony camera conference, I still get these photography review channels to hear people talking.

[@weeks55]

Either of these + a compact prime = the closest thing we're going to get to an RX1R III. It's larger but also has a real battery and processor inside. I'm hoping this can replace my RX1R II and a6600 in one go.

[@samblack3446]

Thought so, too. These bodies with Sigma's smaller i-series primes would be a killer combo.

[@CartyCantDance]

Either these or the a6700

[@PC-oz7tz]

Loved this intro. Please do an update on both Sony A7C ii vs A7R using production models. Thanks♡

[@B9scrambler]

Sony seems to taking inspiration from Fuji: offering similar internals across various body styles. I like it.

[@karamcsand]

"terrible EVF" Can we please start to talk about cameras in a rational way, not from the "I have the latest 3 flagship cameras at home" point of view? I am just irritated that people call features "terrible" or devices "entry level" when they are talking about very expensive, extremely capable cameras, some of the bests on the market. Just check out Sony a6000 9 years after its relase, after all the new APS-C and fullframe models. It is still a good camera, an amazing tool for anyone changing from smartphones or point-and shoot cameras. Of course we can call that one entry level, also the first A7, the first a6x00 cameras. They have some limitations, some flaws, it is okay. We can also say that a6300 or A7mark2 cannot compete any more with latest cameras from the last 5 years. But I just cannot handle when I hear vloggers, saying A7mark3, A7C or anything like this called entry level. Having a camera two steps behind flagship is NOT entry level. A 3-year old fullframe camera model with IBIS, digital viewfinder, silent shutter, having 1400 USD + price tag is NOT entry level. It is just not.

[@greggeis918]

The intro made the video, anything after that was just the cherry on top

[@PhilKnall]

Thanks for elaborating on the EVF magnification, I was really bummed it wasn't a bigger upgrade but I'm looking forward to seeing if the magnification mitigates that like you mentioned. Great review as always and absolutely agree about the silver version, it's the prettiest sony for sure.

[@ey870]

I am getting the A7C2 as a 2nd cam to my A1 and travel - recently did a month in Turkey and wished I just had a compact ... now I will :)

[@lisamichelle8881]

Do you think the A7CII paired with the Sony FE 85mm f1.8 Lens would be good for taking headshots/portraits and getting clear/in focus eyes? I currently have this lens paired with a A6500 and get fuzzy looking eyes and image quality not crystal clear. I'm looking to upgrade and want to know if this would be a good choice camera. Unless you have any other recommendations. Thank You!

[@Folly_Inds]

I'm actually quite happy to see that the A7CR has the pixel shift shooting mode. I managed to score the A7R5 for quite a good price but I am finding the body noticeably more bulky than my older rangefinder Sony bodies. I'm definitely tempted to try and flip my current camera and maybe pick up one of these.

[@spritual_enlightenment]

Without a fan and another SD card slot, they are not for pros but perfectly good entry level cameras. Though, R8 is able to use the whole width of the sensor when shooting 4K 60p video.

[@tomscott4438]

If $2,200 to $3,000 (body-only) is "entry level", photography is officially dead for all but the wealthy. I know this is an expensive hobby, but come on.

[@Wistbacka]

The problem is the price point is not entry level. That is the issue with the whole A7c series. They are too good for their own good... They should be barebones ff-cameras at a much lower price point to make sense to exist alongside the A7iv and A7Rv

[@MykeBatez]

Pretty expensive for an “entry level” offering 😅

[@EP50009]

theres mercedes and theres kia

[@EP50009]

@@redauwg911 ok name them, full frame high res with those video features. I'll wait

[@EP50009]

@@redauwg911 i guess this camera is the only one then.

[@duvalpenny100]

Lol I definitely wouldn't consider this entry level. I just consider it these the best travel oriented options for a FF Sony offering.

[@Jviotr]

Still no answer for Nikon’s Z5 at (typical) sale price of $999. Yes the Z5 is due for an update, but Nikon didn’t go cheap on handling or EVF, which I appreciate.

[@mephistoxd2627]

Looks like a nice upgrade, although the price makes it a bit hard to swallow. To me this is definitely not in the "entry level" anymore. I really like my A7C, despite the obvious flaws. It's super small for a full frame, and for what I shoot the EVF is not needed. Nor is advanced auto focus or really any of the crazy features that these new bodies have, so I will probably not upgrade.

[@Mitch10th]

An excellent preview, as always! I trust the boys' video reviews, and have purchased my last 3 mirorless cameras after watching their videos. Even though I haven't seen the head to head resolution comparisons yet, this preview really makes me want the A7CR!

[@LaLekASMR]

How the 4k 60p in crop factor mode on the a7cII compare to 4k 60p on a FX30/a6700 when regarding low light? are they virtually the same or a FF sensor is still better even in crop mode?

[@PhilThach]

They didn't name it the A7CIIR because it's the first A7CR.

[@-grey]

The next will be the A7CIIRII 😂

[@iSirTaki]

​@@-greyso almost like R2D2 🤡

[@FrankShyjka]

How is it that there is no background sound and yet your voice presentation is perfectly clear.

[@smoothgilla3203]

Audio on this episode is really nice

[@Brucelabvideos]

Thanks Guys! Another great review. Not sure I'm really interested in either of these cameras, but your opinions, experiences and "hands on" reviews are simply priceless. Well done!

[@EXkurogane]

Sony really loves putting trash lcd screens on their cameras don't they. 1 million dot rear screen combined with tiny evf. Horrid combination. I know the Evf had to be downsized to keep the camera small, at least have the decency to put a better screen on the back. Especially on a camera that costs 3 grand. It helps with nailing critical focus when on manual.

[@womz8203]

I'm quite shocked that the mechanical shutter speed on the A7Cii still only goes to 1/4000. It's still only first curtain mechanical (which I can forgive at this size). That feels really cheap for the new increased price point of this camera.

[@headbangerstrail]

Thanks for another great video! 🙂 I'm looking for a video first hybrid for outdoors content creation and I've been mostly eyeing on the Fujifilm X-S20, but I'm always interested on the Sony alternatives. Do you think it would be worth the extra cost to go for the Sony a7c II or even Sony a6700 over the X-S20? I'm doing multiday hikes and bikepacking trips so a compact system for me is a must and it has to capable of handling demanding environments and lighting situations. Thanks in advance! Your expertise and help would mean a great deal.

[@questioneverything680]

Sony’s refusal to make an affordable full frame camera is interesting, to say the least… at that price point, I don’t see why most people wouldn’t just spend the extra couple hundred for an a7iv. Hell, you can even get a used a7iv for cheaper. The a7cR, however, does offer a substantial reason to buy it and I think that will be the more popular option of the two. The a7cii just really disappoints. I’d say either get an a7iv or get a z5 with the tamron copies or and r8 with some used ef lenses instead.

[@POVwithRC]

Affordability is relative. I'd spend a couple hundred less for this form factor.

[@HokkaidoSan]

The a7c is $1800. That's a pretty fair price for a FF. Maybe it isn't the price. Maybe you just cant afford it. Also, it isn't just Full Frame you're getting. lol If you're only focusing on sensor size, that's a simpler problem to solve. Get a FF DSLR. They're like $200 now. lol

[@shang-hsienyang1284]

A used a9 is often sold at US$1600 or less in my country, very few new camera is mire compelling than a 24MP 20fps stacked CMOS camera at the price point. Truth be told, Sony would have a hard time competing against existing a7iii, a7Riii, or most cameras after thiese two. Improvements aren't substantial anyone.

[@Crispy_Bee]

I think Sony regards their full frame cameras as professional tools and their APSC line-up is for everything or rather everyone else. Which is fair enough I suppose as the A6700 is brilliant. I think for an affordable full frame Sony it's best to look at the second hand market.

[@questioneverything680]

@@POVwithRCthat’s fair to you, get the camera that works best for you, absolutely. However, my point is not that the camera won’t be appealing for anybody. My point is that I don’t see why most people wouldn’t choose another camera given the price point and reduced capabilities like a single card slot, worse displays, lack of mehanical shutter and autofocusing joystick etc. (although I didn’t type that in my initial comment). I think as you’re giving up body features, price point starts to matter a lot and I don’t think the a7cii represents a reasonable equilibrium when I look at the other offerings on the market. Of course I have my biases, and I recognize that.

[@nabayan3897]

Interesting, specially for the price. The official launch price of A7cii here in China is 13999rmb(roughly 1920usd) & A7cR is 20999(2882 usd). I really wish they upgraded the evf and the articulating screen, even if it was marginal. The cropped 4k 60p and one card slot could be dealbreaker for a lot of people.

[@mrdogfight1]

Yes. That evf us just too small. Must check first if I'm OK with the new magnification before I part with my cash.

[@imranalijafar]

My question is that if I buy A7Cmark 2, will I be able to rely on the view finder to the point where I would not need to use LCD screen to make changes? I have hard time reading fine print from that close. If I need to use LCD, than I rather get ZVE1.

[@RichardsWorld]

We will follow you guys on whatever KZbin channel you are on next.

[@janvanroekel6787]

Dear, I would like to ask You a question…. I have a Sony camera A7R3- system-version 3.10 and I would like to ask you if the following is possible with this camera with a Sony 85mm F1.8 lens and aperture maybe set on F 5.6. I would like to make a timelapse/interval shooting, let’s say every 3 seconds a shot over a period of 30 seconds (10 shots in total) with myself in the picture walking towards the camera itself on tripod….. with eye-autofocus ON and real time tracking ON… and nobody pressing any button on the camera except myself pressing start and running towards my startpoint … I start walking at 25 meter distance… walk slowly towards the camera and looking into the lens…. After 30 seconds I’ll be at 1 meter distance away in front of the camera….. I’ll be happy with maybe 5 or 6 sharp pictures…. Of the total 10 pics…. I am trying but donot succeed… I cannot find the right settings …. I presume that my 6-year old Sony A7R3 cannot do this…. But…which Sony camera could do this? Maybe the Sony A7R4 or A7R5 or A7CR or… none these… ??? Do I have to switch brands? I try to find answers on the web… but I find nothing in clear detail about this item… Please advise me! Thank You so much for your time! Greetings, Jan van Roekel - Aruba - DWI Whatsapp [phone]

[@-grey]

I'm so happy that Sony is making something for people who don't want a mega camera, I really hope other brands follow with a compact line. Canon, Nikon, Fujifilm, Panasonic, can't compete with the compact size of these. I don't ever need the hyper specs, but I do need some. So having a casual EDC middle ground option for travel-snap-documentary is great. Nice release. I'm tempted. ✨

[@-grey]

Although, I switched from Sony Full-frame to Fujifilm Aps-c for a smaller camera, it would be ironic to swap back for the same reason. 😂

[@amermeleitor]

Fuji xs20

[@-grey]

@@amermeleitor still bigger than the A7C, ZV-E1, and heavier than the Canon R8 by 30g. Which are all full frame cameras, so.. 😬

[@drchtct]

@@-grey well the A7C and ZV-E1 also suck big time compared to the X-S20 and a6700, there's more to cameras than sensor size.

[@joshuaspop8865]

I have the 7RV and I love the idea of a smaller/lighter version of it, but… I feel like it doesn’t make much sense. Although all lenses work great on that sensor, to take full advantage of 61 mp for cropping, you need a lens capable of resolving all that. That leaves you with a big and heavy lens on a tiny body. The great little G primes only resolve around 35-40 mp. They work great, but if you really want to use that sensor for large crops, those little primes are going to limit you.

[@Propaganda_Films]

This is exactly what I need to hear from a R5 or CR user. Thank you. I need a compact FF. If I need a 61MP camera with lens it could handle, I’d get R5 with GM lenses. I’m getting a couple of those tiny G lenses for ultimate portability. Doesn’t make sense to get CR with huge GM leases unless you want second body alongside R5.

[@senorchivo90]

I think these are still compelling cameras, despite the valid criticisms. That said, it'll still be compelling when I pick it up for $1000 in a few years like I did with my A7RIII and A7III bodies. I know Sony doesn't want to directly cannibalize sales of it's own products, so they're holding back on budget full-frame options. But given the choice between a current APSC and a slightly older used FF at the same price, I'd take the FF every time, and Sony gets 0% of that secondary market purchase. At least with a new product, they'd get sales and a way to funnel customers towards the higher end of their ecosystem. Then again, I'm not a businessman, so what do I know?

[@topg2820]

Where did you get a7r3 and a73 for 1k lol?

[@senorchivo90]

@@topg2820 A7RIII was from a pawn shop on eBay (they had three of them!) $1000+tax. A7III was from Adorama used (G) for $900+tax. I lucked out back in February/March and got them a month apart 😄

[@falsemcnuggethope]

Used ones can go for less than that.@@topg2820

[@DerbJd]

If these both had twin micro SD slots for simultaneous recording they would be ideal for professionals. I shoot weddings for Photo-Video combined packages. I’m using an A7IV on gimbal for primary video and three A7Cmk1 for the extra video angles. I have another A7IV for stills so both primary cameras are dual card backed up. I’m more than happy. I switched from using Canon after I initially bought a R6 for gimbal video and was using M50’s for the extra video angles. The R6 died at the first wedding of Error 70. I sent it back and got a replacement. This one died 10 mins out of the box before I even put a card and lens on it, just setting up the menus. So that went back and I bought one A7C and had been using that for primary video with two Canon M50’s for the B and C angles. Editing showed massive quality differences so I bought two more A7C.

[@gordon3988]

Enjoyed the review! You must have recorded this a month ago…wildfires largely overran the area, impacting so many residents.

[@niccollsvideo]

It's been terrible to learn about. We were fortunate to be heading home before any of the fires got out of control. It seems they swept in right as we were leaving.

[@paulmaher1705]

I was looking at that A7C II as a full frame upgrade to my Fuji XS20, the size is comparable to the XS20 which I like, only downside I can see is the Fuji does HD 240FPS and the Sony only does 120 FPS, and I like a bit of slow mo video. The Fuji stabilisation seems to work great for photography, for example if I take the XS20 with the 70-300 lens for some wildlife photography it seems to work very well and ois a niced lightweight travel option. Fuji's downfall seems to be stabilisation in video, espcially on wide lenses with the weird warpy corners.... Is it worth me switching to the Sony for the better Autofocus and full frame advantages?

[@Richard_Bumblebee]

6:44 lol grandma was wondering what two wackos were doing in the park talking into their cameras.

[@hafeez3103]

That difference in dynamic range can really be seen when shooting with the A7CR.

[@mjsvitek]

The A7CR is INCREDIBLY tempting...

[@SallyB05]

Would you recommend this A7C ii or Fuji XT5 as a travel camera? (Priority on stills over video)

[@TheMrCrazycharlie]

Could you do a comparison video between the a7C II and the Panasonic S5IIX please? It's been kinda a hard for me to make the decision of what to get, nice video by the way

[@muratgelir]

Thanks for the thumbnail! Keep them coming.

[@yoryuuotonashi]

I glanced off a bit to drink and I almost spat out my coffee when I saw the picture on 6:13

[@Jones5121]

8:29 i loved that the old a6000 came inn four different colorways sure it's a pain to manufacture and manage but they could've kept that up

[@jankarlsson8341]

I have the a7c mostly for leisure, and the a7 IV for work, but the a7c 2 brings the crucial second turning knob which I would use for aperture. Hmm..

[@ArefAlragehi]

that is a hell of a thumbnail photo there Chris lol

[@atlas5459]

I got a new a7c for 1400 bucks last month and I'm happy I did when I see these prices wow

[@calebrasak6941]

I have the original A7C and I love it even with all of its downsides. I think a secpond camera body with the A7CR would be awesome.

[@calebrasak6941]

Also I think its the perfect name. Its the same as my initials! Perfect camera for me. CR FTW!

[@hikerstl]

I order the A7Cr. I was going to update my A6500 to the A6700 but I realized the A7Cr is basically a A6700 in terms of resolution and also a A7Rv, two cameras in one. I was looking for a weight saving solution, so it seems this camera can use both my full frame and cropped lenses with about the weight of a A6700. I guess I will find out in a few days when the A7Cr is released.

[@xperience-evolution]

Still love my 7C but but always hoping they continue the Compact series and here we go

[@CallMeChato]

I am utterly lost. This feels a lot like the pre-Steve Jobs' return to Apple days when Apple put out a zillion SKUs and totally confused the market.

[@PetaPixel]

That’s hilarious, Jaron just made the same comparison in the podcast we recorded today. You can hear it tomorrow! - Jordan

[@phoenixvette]

The A7CR really should have been $2799 because the A7RV is so close in price to it's actual $3k price tag. A7CII makes sense, but a high end A7C model should have taken the Alpha 1 sensor and it would have knocked the Fuji XH2S' position with video quality and rolling shutter. An A1C would have made more sense than the A7CR. And what's with 1 SD card slot? It really should have 1 CF Express A/SD slot because those cards are super reliable and don't make you back up constantly in fear. The A7CR might find it's self on sale to move units and then yes, I'll nab one.

[@RollectricSound]

Dose Any of you know, if the Autoframing will profitting from the 60mp from the A7RC? Or is it still 4k cropping?

[@artur.charaev]

We had 2360 dots and 0.7x magnification on Fujifilm X-E2 from 2013! 2013! On budget crop camera for 900$! 10 years of progress Sony edition. Alright I can take it with A7C it's more "hybrid" and EVF is not a selling point. But what is the selling point of photo centric A7CR where EVF is one of the main tools you use to take stills? After all no surprises, didn't expect any real improvements from Sony: the higher segmentation of product lines the less value per dollar.

[@aravind.gdinesh5903]

hi.. for this price point fuji xh2s & xh2 makes more sense right?? those have more features too? autofocus is 85% there ibis is good too on fuji

[@oblitafier]

Not if you want full frame

[@bala1000mina]

Thank you so much for the very informative comparative review! God bless and good luck!

[@Helix_Bonopart]

The naming structure makes sense. Just like the A7 has different variants with different versions, so does the A7C. A7Cii r doesn’t make sense. It’s not called the a7 V r or the A7 iii s.

[@bingbong4848]

It's summer 2023 and newly released semi pro cameras still have a single card slot or no onboard storage.

[@jlwilliams]

In case anyone is wondering, the lettering on Chris's shirt reads "Don't believe everything you see on KZbin." Okay, actually it says Tōkyō Nihon [Tokyo Japan] but still...

[@drchtct]

7:22 this is why Chris and Jordan are ahead of most other reviewers. It blows my mind how so few reviewers point out that these expensive fullframe cameras don't feature a fully mechanical shutter. I've heard from plenty of angry users who thought they "upgraded" from a Sony a6x00 camera to get smoother bokeh only to find out that the EFCS ruins their entire bokeh at higher shutter speeds. Sony doesn't talk about this, neither do the affiliate link Sony shill reviewers. Good that we have still some good reviewers left.

[@jonnyanim8]

$4k cad?!.........managed to pick up a RX1R II for $1k cad recently. Perfect as a travel point and shoot.

[@ArefAlragehi]

here is one to add to the terms you explain in the podcast ...first curtain shutter whatever it is called

[@kuyans3889]

Also potentially an explanation of why exactly it affects bokeh would be interesting.

[@artmaltman]

Who is 61mp targeted at? Is there any advantage other than cropping? Thank you.

[@21Virtues]

If you were to choose between the two and video was the most important as well as photo but video first, which would you go for?

[@haldanemorris]

Is one better in low light?

[@PlayGameToday]

Main quiestion - Silver or Black A7c2 ?

[@incee_netinai]

been eagerly waiting for that a7CR!

[@MrFL08]

Killer camera but that evf. Like going back a decade in time. But I guess if they did put a 5m dot evf it would hamper A7R sales

[@carlosezetagomez]

Wich one it’s better on low light Sony A7Cll or A7cr?

[@gioponti6359]

Sigma fp L is the photography oriented edition of the FP. Get the fp for less rolling shutter, and I suppose the same is true for R vs 2 of Sony’s alpha7C

[@CartyCantDance]

I think a lot of people are forgetting that an “entry level camera” isn’t full frame. APSC is entry level, ZV-1 is entry level. These cameras are the price that Sony can charge professionals who want a portable solution. These camera aren’t “for beginners” and they’re not “for professionals.” These are enthusiast cameras that are designed not to threaten the bigger full frame bodies. I believe only an enthusiast would want a full frame sensor in an APSC body, the limitations it brings would slow down a professional.

[@martingreenberg870]

Thank you for your initial look of the new generation of A7C bodies. Mentioned below but to reiterate. These are expensive cameras, in my opinion, for entry level bodies. Yes you are getting the guts of more expensive bodies. The question is will I be satisfied with a $3k entry level body? We are heading towards Leica pricing. Hope you already have glass. At this price point I would want better features. I realize there is more competition for less seats on the camera go round. If the manufacturers can’t make their money on volume they need to earn more per camera. Seems like Sony is going to Fuji’s playbook. Recycle hard and software of previous models. Sony isn’t as good about the recycling as Fuji is right now. From your initial review I am not impressed with this crop of A7C bodies. More will be revealed. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)

[@opalyankaBG]

Sony has just reinvented the (front) wheel! Joking aside, both cameras look solid. The small EVF is justified by the compactness.

[@Q_QQ_Q]

Bad screen.

[@ajasont]

The lack of an AF joystick is a killer for me on what otherwise look like great bodies.

[@SingularityEngine]

6:13 what's going on here? Did Jordan accidentally enter a Looney Tunes movie?

[@radoo86]

Great review as always!

[@AprilClayton]

Adorable thumbnail.

[@weareyesyesyes]

Can't believe you were 10 minutes from my house, and didn't even stop by to say hi.

[@fruhfruh429]

I came here before everyone else’s video 😂 I love you guys❤❤

[@hjrstreetphotography]

Thanks guys! Well done and clear as usual!

[@ShirazChanawala]

I am not sure why people complain about the low fidelity EVF. It’s as if I am going to use it for extensive viewing of photos. One just needs basic composition abilities and to check on focus via zoom.

[@LashanR]

Best video on the two cameras I've seen so far. Gerald Undone's was very dismissive and he lacked knowledge about the original A7C, and Kai W's missed so much of what's new.

[@benjamin5126]

I think they should have called it A7RC because it is the 'C'ompact version of the R series. Anyway, it's an interesting new option, but I hope camera manufacturers will make a camera with a smartphone quality and size screen. I hate the dynamic range of these camera screens. For example, areas look overexposed on my camera and are fine on my computer. And a 6-inch screen would help me a lot with composing images and checking focus without having to fiddle with dials and buttons.

[@mrmonday42]

A 6 inch screen on a body like this would be the entire back panel. There would be nowhere to put your thumb. I have an old Sony Cybershot point and shoot that is all screen in the back and it feels like shooting with a smartphone. One of the benefits of shooting with a camera is the ergonomics...

[@JOEMDMD]

obviously this is designed, dont you noticed that the "c" is not the same as the "r" and the "s" in subscript form but the same font as the "7" when the original a7C come out, that means 7C is not a subclass of 7.

[@benjamin5126]

@@JOEMDMD In math, the subscript is kept at the same formula symbol, so you could still do A7RC with the subscript R in between.

[@benjamin5126]

@@mrmonday42 I think the target audience for the camera comes from the smartphone, so that would be fitting. In 3:2 aspect ratio, the large screen would probably mean that the camera would have to be higher or the EVF would be omitted.

[@JOEMDMD]

@@benjamin5126 i mean "7" & "7C" are the name of two sets, you wont put any subscript in between the name it is nonsense.

[@riskyriesco]

Does the sony a7c2 has a bulb timer? that's crucial for me, Im tired of using a shutter release

You guys are simply great

[@Cam-pe3nd]

Thank you for being the first review of these to confirm the EFCS. Was hoping the new models would have a full mechanical shutter.

[@wardyousef02]

The first 35 seconds with Jordan 🤣LMAO😂

[@NetvoTV]

If just talking about size along, is there benefit to get A7C lineup and not the full size A7 if you just going to use the 20 - 70mm F4 lens mainly which both lineups will still not pocketable anyway and the A7C lineup has less grip and smaller viewfinder too, I do hope the full size A7 can be lighter with all these extra things tho

[@rpgroome]

It looks like a shorter shutter speed than usual was used. Were the ND filters left at home.