Too Many Tree Workers Killed

[@GuiltyofTreeson]

Thank you for sharing this man, that was really cool

[@metaspencer]

Good hearing from you man. Sorry for your loss. RIP Jed

[@metaspencer]

Sorry for your loss. RIP Jed

[@groundpounder24365]

Thank you Jacob, thank you for all you do for us as a industry, thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge and bringing us along on your ride. Thank you for finding the strength to talk about Jed and sharing his story with us. RIP JED 🙏 you will be missed tree brother

[@walkerscountrylife]

Sorry for your loss man.

[@at_3831]

Jacob I’m really sorry for your loss, @metaspencer thank you for this video it’s a gamble just like working on the water I’ve made a career of both tbh I expected my time to have come by now. Living every day as it’s a bonus or basically every is a gift that’s why it’s called the present.

[@AugustHunicke]

Very interesting vid. Especially the part about working alone. Pros and cons. More people on site doesn’t make it safer but a well oiled machine can definitely be a huge advantage. Deliberate tree work is my approach.

[@metaspencer]

That well oiled machine is something you make evident -- and it's always cool to see in your vids.

[@markaoslo5653]

@@metaspencer Agreed

[@tomjones2202]

I don't do tree work anymore. Retired with all my limbs. I have a buddy paralyzed from the chest down because of ONE minor F' up. That's all it takes in tree work even though you look at a tree a thousand ways before you drop it. A well oiled machine is knowing your workers. EVERYONE of them. The smaller the crew always seemed better to me. Fewer people fewer screw ups. So sorry about Jed. Even then it was a hidden hazard that just couldn't be seen.

[@markmcgoveran6811]

There's a hell of a lot of safety in numbers. Having people on a job site who are not Tangled up in the machinery is a very safe way to go. I work on the riverboats and they would drop this guy off to run a little bobcat cleaning out the barges all by himself for an 8-hour shift. 2 hours into the shift something went wrong and he tried to fix the bobcat and got tangled up in the bucket lift her and all the equipment. He flopped around for 45 hours dying there screaming and asking for help but nobody could hear him he was all by itself half a mile away from the people. Here in farm country we handle a lot of dual tire tractors and that dual tire has a lot of salt water in it and that thing is heavy and it can kill you. We always try to have two people doing this because it can't fall on both of you. My grandpa was sawn lumber alone analog fell on him and it took him a long time to die. Maybe you're slow or something maybe you don't know what you're talkin about but having other people on the job when you get hurt is tantamount to whether you survive or not.

[@mtbguidecoeurdalene2741]

More links in the chain, the more factors at play… the greater chance of a failure. That’s how I look at it. I do solo tree work. Not having to manage a crew & being alone allows a guy to focus more deeply and perform deliberate tree work. Having a crew that’s a well oiled machine is easier said than done.

[@goodpplz123]

My baby brother was killed on April 6 2012 when the tree his coworker was cutting fell, bounced off another tree and hit him. Thank you for showing the OSHA report. I never knew that was a thing where they had it listed. I was able to see the incident report. He had just had a baby with his new wife and had gotten a promotion at 24. I miss him every day.

[@metaspencer]

Oh my goodness, that is so tragic and horrible. Sorry to hear about your loss and I'm hoping the additional information helps somehow with the healing. hang in. I lost a sister myself and know that the wounds never fully go away

[@blackwellkrb]

I know it's been a long time but my condolences to you and his family. I hope they have done ok since this loss.

[@m118lr]

…SO sorry for your loss man..

[@sgw8707]

Thats awful, I hope you can endure the loss

[@e_thegod5303]

condolences, dayum 24, im in the same age group, I'm not tryin to get in the field, I just have land and not trying to spend MORE money when I can do it myself thanks to youtube, hearing this I think its just best to take down or secure the NEAR trees. Bc If I cut one, it can just break limbs on the the other trees and hit you, what I would do now is cut all branches on the other trees that why no limbs can fly.

[@OUTDOORS55]

I was fortunate to save up some money and get my pilots license very early in life (I soloed at 16). It taught me the importance of methodical elimination of the small problems. Catastrophes are usually brought on by the slow buildup of small problems over time. Identifying and Eliminating the small problems that lead to the big problems is something I've carried with me to this day, and it's saved me countless times over the years. I was so sorry to hear of Jeds passing and hope his family can make it through this difficult time. Stay safe out there 👍

[@metaspencer]

That methodical approach you describe is interesting and familiar. My son's a pilot so I'll have to ask him about his mindset and approach out there. Thanks man. RIP Jed

[@dannyCOTW]

This. Another perspective is getting away from the "just try harder" mindset. You can only do so much without the right tools or systems.

[@ctbsancho2516]

Speaking of the Blair Glen dude, I'm a carpenter/ contractor and no matter what trade you're in, you just don't put that kind of juju on someone. Yes anything can happen at any time including to that Blair guy with a bunch of people around him. As grown men we find what works for us and try to do the best we can safely.

[@metaspencer]

Good to hear from someone outside the field -- I did some carpentry work back in the day and know what you mean about guys in a trade needing to support one another. Stay safe and keep it up, man

[@notachance374]

100%, and should be called out for it. No need. He should apologize or mind his business.

[@jasonlaswell8982]

I also work alone and prefer it. Every tree I work, I ask myself this question. “How is this tree going to try to kill me”. I figure I’m trying to kill it and it’s not going down without a fight. Jed’s incident is a reminder to not get complacent and go above and beyond to protect yourself. I had a 8” cherry hanger fall and clip my hard hat. Would have killed me for sure if I was a foot closer to the tree. I was lucky to live to tell the story.

[@metaspencer]

That cherry hanger sounds too close for comfort, and you've given me a new mantra for the start of every job: "How is this tree going to kill me?" Great, alert, vigilant perspective. Thanks man

[@tonychan647]

Wise advice : )

[@gantz4u]

Im only calling a dude if I think a tree might kill me. Sorry dude. Were putting you in the TREES! make sure to get some life insurance to leave that poor girl...Oh yeah and when you do get life insurance tell the guy youre buying it from you bartend at a golf course.

[@joesargent481]

Don't work alone I don't know how long you been in the business not very long when you get hurt in the tree unless it's another climate that I can get you out of the tree you're pretty much alone unfortunately I've been at this business long enough to know the dangers of this industry it's not a game when they bury a friend it changes things be safe don't take chances and don't work alone I'm a professional arborist and I've logged a long time you can't work alone trust me I know what I'm talking about so old they call me the antique I'm still climbing but not alone God bless be safe

[@marcofemto9417]

I've been so close to getting injured doing tree work I get scared EVERY single time I climb. But I swear the One above truly is watching over us. I thank God I'm still alive to be able to work and provide for my family and I pray every one of you will be protected from harm and never suffer a fatal accident. Stay safe guys

[@metaspencer]

As you said, stay safe

[@jeffwolinski2659]

Jed definitely seemed like a skilled worker and a great guy, so tragic. Elsewhere I saw that he was an early rising star in the skateboard world, and just as he was ready to hit the big time he decided he wanted to do something else and went into surfing. Eventually he got married and went into tree work. RIP, Jed, you left your mark.

[@metaspencer]

Oh wow, thanks for posting that info. I'd seen those boarding vids but didn't know that was him. A testament to what you can accomplish if you apply yourself. RIP

[@tomasjosefvela1]

I was wondering if he was the same Jed, thanks for sharing that bit.

[@Mr2eyedjack]

Thanks for putting in some more info on Jed. I followed treason and seen him in there the first video I watched. I didn't know he was an accomplished skater and surfer.

[@markaoslo5653]

@@tomasjosefvela1 Same, in some cases it was also spelled _"Jedd",_ where every where else, it was one _"d"..._ I think one of the eulogies, tied it together for me...

[@scottjohnson3226]

He was a legend!

[@jesseshort8]

I'm a bucket guy, mainly because I don't have anyone I trust to run ropes if I climb. I totally get what you mean by having a crew isn't always safer. I find myself doing a lot of extra work instead of trying to explain over and over what I want done. I work for a local company, don't have any say over who is hired or anything like that. Some people just get it, and others don't want to be bothered with learning or moving up in the industry. Stay safe out there man. Edit: this is the first video I've seen of yours. Earned my sub.

[@metaspencer]

Good to hear from ya man. Bucket work takes a particular set of skills and I admire ya for it

[@stevensellars5587]

Earned my sub on a first watch too.

[@stevensellars5587]

I do tree work as a hobby and I love it. A number of these comments touch on things that go through my head as I am looking at the tree before any of the gear is even off-loaded. Thank you for addressing this. I mainly work solo and it's always slow and methodical. Also, as a hobbyist, it is probably easier to say no to a tree and just walk away. A luxury many may not have. God bless and stay safe.

[@CoolGen10]

You and I are in the same camp!

[@michaelfeliciano2834]

I'm a climber in NC. I follow you're youtube channel and Blair Glenn's. He's entitled to his opinion and I respect his commitment to his customers, the trees and the industry. I respect yours too and I do solo work. I also worked for OSHA as a compliance officer and know that in NC they only log about 25 to 30% of the actual fatalities in treework. I also followed Jed through Jacob and felt like I knew him just from the videos. Thanks for what you posted. Hope you continue what you do and stay safe

[@metaspencer]

I completely agree that Blair Glenn is entitled to his opinion and what I always see from him is a dedication to the profession that's top notch. From Blair to Buckin' to Jacob to Human there is so much range of opinion, and that's what I love about KZbin. Thanks for that info about the OSHA reporting. That's super interesting and I was wondering why I couldn't find certain stats in their list. Much appreciated

[@michaelfeliciano2834]

@@metaspencer the real reason they miss alot is because OSHAs jurisdiction is only employer to employee relationships or scenarios. They can only investigate and cite companies who have employees. If vounteer work for the local church or a guy helping a neighbor results in a fatality, OSHA might show up because of relationships with local police and fire departments. As soon as they determine no employer to employee relationship exists, they gracefully bow out. They can also find no employer fault in which case the report gets labeled a "triple 0" and it also doesn't get turn into a statistic. I bet insurance companies have more accurate stats.

[@metaspencer]

@@michaelfeliciano2834 Oh wow, that's super interesting and makes perfect sense. thanks for that

[@pamelas9]

Even if there is an employer/employee dynamic, if the company has less than 10 workers, OSHA reporting is generally not mandatory.

[@d500mag2]

curious as to what OSHA says about working at height. Since you bring OSHA up.

[@willsheehan2975]

There was a 1 year old that died from a tree falling on him near me a couple years ago (in Townsend MA). So you have to remember that tree work is also necessary to keep people safe, and you'll never know how many people would have died or been injured from the trees that you've cleaned up.

[@metaspencer]

Great point. We're always out there risking our necks so people can be safer around their trees

[@KT-en8pq]

That is a great point. Thank you

[@savage22bolt32]

In Connecticut, a doctor & his wife were both killed while driving, when a branch fell on their car just a few hundred feet from their house. Sad day for that family.

[@Socalarborist]

I lost my dad to a climbing accident in North Carolina in 2008. I’ve also been a climber for a few years so I definitely believe you should trust your instincts when you feel something is unsafe!

[@metaspencer]

You said it: trust those instincts, cut small, go slow ... We all wanna go home safe at the end of the day

[@BraydenSomers]

I'm mainly a solo tree worker. Not many people/customers understand the risks of tree work. Had a fall from 20ft my first year in the business. Working solo for me (while harder at times) allows me to slow everything down, the trouble and close calls come in when you're on a clock trying to be profitable. I think more of us need to learn to say no to sketchy jobs (myself included) and/or price them high enough so there's time to relax and think things through properly, and be able to afford to bring the right equipment in/people, so we get to go home at the end of the day. Have a lot of respect for your videos, and I think the more this community comes together and shares tips/and their failures, the better off/safer everyone is. Much respect

[@metaspencer]

Much appreciated man and good to connect with ya online. I saw your Instagram feed: great stuff. Cut small, go slow, and plan ahead.

[@donaldbrown55]

Love this message man. I was a gun ho tree worker for about 4 years. Traveling from CA to Ok I got into bigger wood than what I was used to. Learned an epic amount. Had a number of close calls myself so I’ve taken a year off but I’m going back in. Went to lower a limb, I rushed cleaning the trunk which I never do. I left stabby stobs. Inadvertently I had my safety lanyard around what I was dropping and would have scewered myself being pulled into the trunk. if the branch didn’t somehow stall after the back cut was made 😅🎉 someone was looking out for me.

[@metaspencer]

Oh man, that's an intense story. Sounds like an amazing place to work full of lessons and potential hazards. Keep those instincts sharp!

[@havespurswillclimb]

Excellent video. I hope a lot of folks see this video. It brings to the forefront the fact that tree work, which may be an adventure to some, or just a job to others, is a very dangerous undertaking. Those involved in this type of work need to sit back every now and then to reevaluate their attitude towards said work. Go over your methods, check on your technique, safety check equipment, etc......and never take it for granted.

[@metaspencer]

Very well said man. I completely agree with what you say about the adventure drawing us in -- and there is so much thrill and rush in it. But these deaths just keep piling up. Never take it for granted, as you say

[@michaelfeliciano2834]

Reg Coates has a great a video on the topic of staying alert and avoiding complacency

[@nate2838]

​@@michaelfeliciano2834 "Reinforced Concentration". I was thinking this as well. Heres the link. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYm1hniXe82YY7c

[@arbordoctor]

My dad who is a retired tree climber of 30+ years used to have me look at the back of a tree magazine we would get every month. It reported the deaths that happened the previous month while working on trees. It’s a constant reminder to stay focused and actively aware of your surroundings.

[@metaspencer]

@@arbordoctor Good to have those reminders -- he did you a service with that lesson, I'm thinking

[@jirajira2872]

A shock that Jed passed. He's such a knowledgeable professional. I learned a lot from him to work on my own backyard.

[@totaratree99]

Excellent discussion. Great point Blair Glenn brought up about working alone. Stay safe people.

[@chrisblea862]

Hey man I can’t believe I just stumbled upon this video. I was watching then my heart sank when you mentioned Jed Walters. I knew him when he started out in tree work. I was his Forman out here in New Mexico. Break’s my hart to hear that. He was always striving to learn. If you have any links to his videos I would love to see them. Thanks. And yes there has been way to many deaths in this industry.

[@metaspencer]

Hey man, sorry for your loss. You'll see some of the videos Jed appeared/starred in here: kzbin.info?search_query=inbred+jed As you say, way too many deaths in the industry.

[@Faith-vl4lv]

Thank you for bringing light to this. I had to share to my Facebook

[@Faith-vl4lv]

Also I do a lot of solo work myself and I agree with the part about some people can cause the job to be more dangerous than if you were alone

[@metaspencer]

Ya know what they say: climb slow, cut small, think about everything twice. Be safe out there

[@Faith-vl4lv]

@@metaspencer thank you. Watching your videos has given me some ideas. I grew up working with a crew but good help us hard to find nowadays where I'm at so I have to do a lot of solo work

[@nate2838]

"think alot before you do stuff, and work very deliberately without being distractecd" Very good advice, and unfortunately heeded by very few day in and day out. Unfortunately many tree guys (myself included at times even though I make a point of working cool, calm, and collected) often lose this when on the job, especially when time is running out and your reaching the end of the planned time. Unfortunately, many people don't understand how stress (being in a hurry is stressed) impacts intelligence. The more stress you are, the more it degrades your ability to think and process. The same is true for being tired and especially for being exhausted. Owners, managers, and foremen need to pay attention to their crew. Not just how they are performing, they need to pay attention to moral and energy level. People who are in decent shape (not shot at the end of the day or coming into work already tired from previous work. Depending on how hard work has been recently, even a weekend is not enough time to truly recover from the week before) and in good moral, can be motivated and engaged. Motivated and engaged keeps the mind running sharp, which means they will be quicker to recognize danger and better able to react when necessary. I love tree work. I love it, in part because it is dangerous. I can't focus on things I don't feel are relevant or important. There are so many ways to get injured or killed in tree work that you have to maintain awareness when near the work area. As far as working in a team, I enjoy getting things done with others who are motivated and engaged. Its an amazing feeling when things are going smooth and things are getting done. At the same time, as you said, they can also injure or kill you if they don't know what they are doing or aren't paying attention. Sometimes even when they are paying attention. There are situations where a misunderstanding of what is intended to happen can cause a serious accident. Anytime I'm working in a crew, before I move into something, I ask myself "how are things moving now? How will they move in a moment, and when I do what I plan to? Who can injure or kill me, and who can I injure or kill?". Given, this analysis is second nature by now and doesn't require much attention usually. I do my best to encourage those around me to think this way as i've seen some near misses with chainsaws and equipment. Also rigging. Never been hit as hard as you showed, however I've had some close calls. Sometimes my fault, sometimes the fault of the guy on the rope, which is also my fault. As the climber, it is my responsibility to make sure what is about to happen is within the capabilities of the ground support, and that the way I have things set up will allow the ground support to do what they need to for things to go smooth. I don't rush those around me as I'm aware of what rushing does to stress, moral, and how it increases the chances of mistakes or injury. When I find myself getting impatient, I remind myself if they weren't there, I'd have to come down and do it myself, or would not be able to do it at all. Usually helps keep perspective and keep communication calm and constructive. As far as new people wanting to get into tree work, I encourage them to find a good company, and give them an idea of what to watch out for. Maybe this would be a good video for you. What you want new people coming into tree work to understand and be aware of from day 1, and things to give attention to as they progress. If you made it this far, thank you for your time

[@metaspencer]

What an amazing set of reflections, ideas, and experiences. Great to see you thinking all of this through and sharing those insights. I'm gonna have to remember what you said about stress and intelligence in particular because I know exactly what you mean: the intelligence just goes downhill in those high-stress situations. Not a good thing. Most of all I'm left thinking you have a good system and way of working. That's so, so important. Be safe man.

[@MrEsPlace]

I did tree trimming for a while. I was helping top a couple trees off in a back yard in Arkansas and the other climber asked me to hold his ropes because he was worried they would get snagged by the branch he was cutting and flip him out of the tree. So, I climb down, get my gear off and stand there holding his ropes while he cut. That branch fell from 30ft up and was 25ft long. When it fell, it bounced off the end and drove right into my head. I had the worst concussion and was out for a while. That combined with a branch I threw my rope over that I thought was good broke off and I went flying one day and swung back and forth like a carnival ride, knocked me right out of the business. No amount of money is worth some of the risks you have to take with this job. Dangerous.

[@metaspencer]

I'm glad to hear you survived. Those sound like some bad ones

[@MrEsPlace]

@@metaspencer That branch has knocked me a little dumber and slower for life man. Bad concussion but worse is the slow down I never picked back up from. Swinging and falling only terrified me, worse than I thought when I got on a specific amusement park ride and immediately wanted off.

[@metaspencer]

Wow man that’s rough. Terrifying

[@groundpounder24365]

RIP Jed, my deepest condolences. This is a super harsh reality of our profession. Its our duty to always keep our heads on a swivel and think safety..safety..safety. It can happen anytime and anywhere and only take a second. It don't have to be huge jobs or even ones we consider "dangerous". We must stay sharp and not become complacent in our work Stay safe everyone

[@metaspencer]

You said it: the small jobs are just like the big ones in that they're all full of potential risk. Well said.

[@runtimmytimer]

I’ve come down from a tree multiple times because I was getting careless from fatigue. I’ve also not climbed because I got up in the tree and didn’t feel right. Come the next day and I’m fine.

[@groundpounder24365]

@@runtimmytimer I have as well, and thats the smart choice. Trust your gut and live to climb another day.

[@metaspencer]

@@runtimmytimer Great instincts. I really appreciate that approach.

[@7eis]

@@runtimmytimer this is an awesome skill to have. Having a ground guy who has the skill to finish the climbing part is also a big help - you can 'nope out' without it being 'embarrassing' (guess mostly young guys) or risking your pride. "Hey buddy you want to do the rest?" Does not make you any less of a man. I have often switched it up after lunch. Working with good people who are willing to put in a little extra if you are not feeling up to climbing all day and will pick up on ques, ask you how sleep is with the newborn kid is or whatever.

[@jeffbouchard5820]

Really well thought out video. I’ve seen a lot of people come through this industry in 17 years, some of them need to hear this sort of discussion more often. I’m saving this one.

[@metaspencer]

Thanks buddy. Be safe out there

[@j-midds]

Hey new subscriber here I have been doing small tree jobs for a while now. New to climbing only about 6 months in. I'm self taught and through watching videos learned alot. My wife hates that I do some jobs alone but typically won't climb alone unless it's something small. After seeing the video Jacob put out about jed it really put into perspective how dangerous this job is. I always do the typical safety stuff like checking my ropes and all other equipment but never really take into consideration how quick things can turn on you. I always use a double tie in if I'm cutting and not moving around but all this is a huge eye opener for me. Thanks for putting it into perspective , i guess ill hug my kids extra tight before I go out from now on. Rip Jed you were an inspiration to many.

[@metaspencer]

Great hearing from you buddy, and I know you always hear the cliche of "be safe out there." Having looked at a few statistics it seems pretty clear that people who are NEW to the trade are at more risk. So go slow, cut small, spend some extra time on the ground planning ... it will all pay off. Rushing to make that $$$$ can be deadly. RIP Jed

[@nate2838]

@@metaspencer "Don't be in a hurry to die." It can be hard to maintain focus when money is on your mind. I make a point of not thinking about money while on the job. I know that if I work efficiently to each moment, the job will be completed in as timely a manner as possible given my capabilities, and the capabilities of those around me. Before starting, or after finishing, are the times to think about money. There can be times while in the middle of work, however its best to step back from the work for a moment while assessing where things are at and how it compares to the money on the job. Only after thoughts of money are set aside, return to work. This is my philosophy and how I reduce the impact of time and money on the job.

[@metaspencer]

@@nate2838 Great advice man. Thanks for that

[@scottbeard5039]

Find a great experienced climber and work under him for at least one year ! Climb as much as he (or she) will let you, and listen to any and all corrections or suggestions ! Scott

[@j-midds]

@Scott Beard I have a couple guys i work with all certified arborists and a grounds guy I can trust. I always triple and quadruple check every way of doing each job and find the safest most efficient method to do things. If it takes extra time then so be it as long as I get to go home and see my family when the job is over. I don't book 2 jobs for one day unless I 110% know it can be done but I'd rather be done and noon on one job then rush to be done and hurt myself or my guys doing 2

[@elihuewright2693]

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither.”Benjamin Franklin. God bless the republic. Thank you for your videos and I’m glad to have you as a countrymen.

[@JDArborist]

We'll miss you, Jed. Rest easy. I agree with you 100%. I'm a solo climber and take extra precautions when climbing, but I still think it's safer than hiring ground workers. It's also important to assess yourself each day to ensure you're bringing focus and your utmost attention to each job. Some days it's okay to say "It's not my day" and leave that job to mentally regroup. I'll also add that your disclaimer at the end of every video about it NOT being a "How-to video" is an important point to make. "The story of how you did it" doesn't require the approval of anybody. As long as you continue to prioritize safety, the opinion of anybody else just isn't important. Love your videos, Spencer. Be safe.

[@metaspencer]

I appreciate that perspective more than you know, man. Very helpful and well said. I also have those walk-away-and-regroup moments and think they're super important. Good to hear I'm not alone. Thanks man and climb safe out there!

[@elliotkramer9912]

I have worked with skilled crews. I have worked with unskilled crews. I have worked alone. I can’t honestly say I feel more or less safe either way. I just adjust the techniques I choose to use. I love what August said about being deliberate.

[@metaspencer]

I like the way you phrase that and see it: really safety can be accomplished in all of those contexts as well as people are working well together and attentive.

[@BigBlackTruckDave]

Good wake up call video. All these tree videos are fun and so is the work but in a spit second it can all be over. Jed dying was a shocker as he was very smart. Very sad news and I can't imagine what the guys on his crew experienced that day either. I saw another video of a wedge attack and you just reinforced on my brain how easy it can be to lose an eye from just pounding one in. Stay safe and look forward to more content from you.

[@metaspencer]

Yeah what you say about how that crew must have felt on that day is unimaginable. Wow, it must have been so, so intense. Thanks for your perspective

[@robertalexander5422]

Best 18 minutes I've spent in awhile. Thx.

[@metaspencer]

Thanks man. That means a lot to me

[@pa4765]

While studying safety and working in the construction business, I learned that many accidents are often preventable with personal protection equipment (PPE), caution and working slowly & diligently. I've watched many tree-trimming videos and I'm shocked at the minimal to no PPE. I'm constantly on guard for accidents which I learned from riding motorcycles.

[@jonwetzel4357]

I was a single seat military jet pilot years ago. Same conversations had regarding single pilot vs crew. The saying in Naval Aviation is that the NATOPS (aircraft operating and safety manual) was written in blood. The death rate in the early years of jet aviation was stupidly high. Implementation of rigorous procedures brought the rate down substantially. I’m new to the tree business and trying to be as smart about the business as I can. Love ur work.

[@metaspencer]

My son is an Airforce pilot flying jets with 3 people on board ... he told me the Airforce got rid of parachutes on his plane a while back (to save money). Take things slow and steady in those trees you're working, man. Learn a lot and it will reward you many times over

[@mayotreeserviceinc9658]

My name is Michael and I'm down here in Florida. I've just subscribed to your channel and I really appreciate this video even though at first watch it stresses me out to think about an expert tree guy getting killed. I've had to work alone quite a bit and I still work alone sometimes. I've been doing tree work and climbing for about 9 years. One of the things that I've done my entire career along with reading books, watching videos, and learning from experience... Is to pray before during and after felling trees. I often pray before I climb and while I'm climbing. I also think God when I get down safely. I have a wife and two kids to take care of. I have grown closer to Jesus working in the trees.

[@metaspencer]

It sounds to me like your process keeps you FOCUSED and tuned in to the situation. Those are great things to have going for you on the job. Work safe man. Cut small and work slow. RIP Jed

[@mayotreeserviceinc9658]

Hey bro do you mind telling me what editing software you use?

[@mayotreeserviceinc9658]

Yes rest in peace Jed. Thanks for responding to my comment

[@metaspencer]

@@mayotreeserviceinc9658 for the last ten years I used iMovie, which just came on my laptop ... recently I taught myself to use Final Cut Pro

[@stevemiller8952]

Michael, Steve Miller here. My Son Heath and I have been in the tree business for 15 years now. My wife prays for us every morning for God to protect us and anoint our hands to do the work. I really appreciate your comment and counting on God to protect you and thanking Him for doing that.

[@TigerLandworks]

This is a great message to all persons working in the tree care profession and timber harvesting industry. It is a message that should be shared and echoed by other tree care KZbinrs and social media types as a reminder to the dangers of this industry. The message should not be taken to scare people away from our industry, but rather keep them sober to the realities and dangers of tree work. Well said Mr. Spencer, I look forward to continuing to follow you and your channel in 2023. Stay safe and Stay alert!!

[@metaspencer]

I like how you phrase that: sober messages about safety for those of us in the industry need to be spread far and wide. Well said man and much appreciated.

[@KyleParks]

I work solo all the time. I feel just as safe or safer. 100% responsible for my safety. Had others put me in danger too.

[@NorAlb_Chainsaw_Carver]

Very thoughtful and insightful video man. Thanks for sharing them

[@Squatchiestrees]

a lot of good points here, i primarily work alone but I have been doing treework for 20 years. eventually you learn whats coming from where and why, in the case of inbred jed that all goes out the window, he was probably a far better tree guy than me. I fear for the younger guys solo or on a crew. the point you made about crew work potentially being more dangerous is true, my closest calls and injuries have mostly all come from working with other people, you feel rushed or there are just X factors from other people being involved. my motto is "dont be a cowboy" safe treework should be boring and uneventful. R.I.P. Inbred Jed.

[@metaspencer]

Great perspective man. Keep it "boring and uneventful" and go home happy and healthy, even well paid. RIP Jed. Take care man

[@johnkomosa4089]

I like what you said. I too do alot of solo work in Alaska. Folks always say don't go out alone because of the Bears and the buddy system, but I prefer solo often for the reasons earlier mentioned, one or 2, maybe 3, after that , I go off and work by myself anyways, ah ha.😄, one thing Jed's accident taught me is if you look up and it is thick with folage, assume there is a hanger where you can not see. I have also had close calls and could have been killed myself also, I am nothing special over Jed, he sounds to have been a fine Man.

[@dcvariousvids8082]

Out the other day clearing a woodland path of limbs and a few windblown trees, which had come down in two recent storms. Both of us are qualified for the work at hand, both hold relevant medical certification. My friend who’s worked with chainsaws for probably 30yrs. and is on the ball with safety, especially with disabled volunteer groups. Has never had a chainsaw accident. Anyway, he’s recently, 1-2yrs. gone with a battery saw for the smaller stuff, as it’s just easier and much more quiet. He still packs the petrol saws just in case. But for the most part, he runs a battery saw. So we’re dealing with a fallen stem, around 20” (500mm) dia., so not big. All going well, when he has a momentary lapse in concentration. The saw is out of the cut and running down, a split second from applying the chain brake. The chain nicks his trousers, (pants) near the top of his thigh. Thankfully, that’s what cut-protection is for. Just slightly tears the outer material, not the protective layers beneath. It’s a sobering reminder, how easily things can happen. Now I’m not against battery saws but if he’d had the noise of a petrol saw, perhaps his consecration would have been greater. Who’s to say? But it really made him think on it. We took a break there and talked it through. What happened; was he happy to carry on, etc.? We both carried on after the break. But it made both of us think about it.

[@metaspencer]

As you said it's that momentary lapse in concentration that can catch up to you, but I've also had similar experiences with my electric battery saws. When I'm in a tree with a gas saw, I can hear and feel when it's ready to rip. With a battery saw, that danger and volitility is masked ... it's always ready to rip. Thanks for the story

[@elderbob100]

Expendable worker. My last full time job it was obvious that I was expendable and was almost expected to die on the job. After a couple of near death experiences, including some broken ribs, they fired me for insubordination for not going the extra mile. In small companies you are the safety culture. They will continue to push you until you quit or die.

[@christopherwaller3115]

Very good video sir! Blair was not trolling you at all he just cares and has a good point. I'm sure we all have stories of when working with a crew presents extra hazards like if someone is inexperienced or just makes a mistake. Working alone is safer in a way by removing some of those variables, but if you fail to prepare for those worst-case scenarios you might have to prepare to fail. Rip JED.

[@metaspencer]

I think you're probably right about Blair Glen: he's always seemed like a pretty generous, helpful guy. Online comments can easily be misunderstood. RIP Jed and thanks for commenting

[@the_boatswain]

Bro! So yes, man once I started watching your early videos I was all set in my mind this was what I wanted to do -- but then my Uncle talked me out of it because of his friends who have met a fate like you described. So I went towards the welding and other odds and ends. Great video and very sobering for sure! Stay safe and with us Spencer! Your content is too awesome! (even your older handyman work).

[@metaspencer]

Great hearing from ya man and that welding line of work is FULL of potential. So much you can do as a fabricator and there is always room to grow and learn. Always good hearing from ya. I just got my first oxy torch and am learning to use it ... should be fun. I've gotta weld up some doors for my containers so we'll have to see how that works out

[@the_boatswain]

@@metaspencer Awesome!!! Torch work is very satisfying! I like to watch IC Weld work his magic with it. Cant wait to see the finished product! Love the shop!

[@boooshes]

This was a great discussion. I think sometimes it's safer with a crew, sometimes its safer alone. Just two days ago, I took down a large Walnut tree with another fellow. He had his own ideas, which he pursued but wasn't what I was thinking. Then I needed to come in and get it down after a badly placed face cut. It wasn't pretty, but I am glad I brought lots if wedges. Oh, that's why I only use my own hickory wedges - they never shatter like plastic will. Under the right conditions, high rates of loading (like impact) cause plastics to react more like glass - purveyors of plastic wedges do not share that information. Again, thanks for an intelligent discussion.

[@metaspencer]

This misplaced face cut sounds like the kind of problem you don't want to have to deal with out there ... I'm intrigued by these hickory wedges you use. I sometimes bring some hickory back to our place (it grows locally) so will have to manufacture some. What you say about the unpredictability of plastic is spot on.

[@boooshes]

@@metaspencer we have lots of hickory where I live on the Eastern Shore of Virginia. The cross linked grain makes the hickory exceptionally tough, hence its use for tool handles. I just cut lots of various size wedges in my bandsaw from dry hickory - it costs nothing, doesn't hurt your chain and when the ends get hammered over, they get tossed. Yeah, I knew I was in trouble when the face cut was on the side where he wanted the tree to fall, but not on the side where the tree was going to fall. I was real careful about not getting my bar pinched as the tree squeezed down 90 degrees to the hinge wood. I should have cut a new face cut, but didn't want to embarrass my buddy - this was stupid of me, but it's stuff like this you can face when working with someone else. On the other hand, if it turns out you need someone to tourniquet your leg for you as you bleed out, it'd be nice he was there.

[@metaspencer]

@@boooshes I'll have to make up a few of those wedges and see how they work out for me ... great idea man

[@tomasjosefvela1]

Good video, lots of great points. Don't think I'll change professions to tree climber anytime soon but will become a subscriber to your channel.... seriously though thanks for sharing.

[@metaspencer]

Thanks for your support -- much appreciated.

[@poopdick8321]

Great video, I'm a tree guy too a climber and bucket operator. I really enjoyed this and I'm definitely all about safety and like how u mentioned about talking to younger people, you nailed how I would of talked to them. Keep up the videos

[@metaspencer]

Keep it up man, and good hearing from ya. Stay save in those trees AND in the bucket

[@markw2266]

It's not only professionals. I'm located in eastern PA, and the ash trees are dropping everywhere. I was told first hand about a guy who asked his seasoned father in law to drop an ash tree in his backyard. A branch broke off when it started to go, and that was his last cut. There are so many dead ash trees around, and people need wood for heat. Obviously, they are an easy target because many are huge without a whole lot of branches to deal with, but they are deadly. Jed's passing was a shocker, really has me thinking about my part time passion.

[@metaspencer]

The dead ash trees are everywhere you look up here in NY, too, and it seems like everyone is cutting them down (professional and homeowner alike). Great point and you really said it. RIP Jed. Be well man

[@Lakeman3211]

I live in north central pa, these ash are a real problem, dropping into the road ways, a small wind and they come apart, they are fragile after death…another scourge for property owners, boon for cutters…and the state and townships can’t clean them up fast enough…

[@19Kamau79]

​@metaspencer European over here, just remember story of husband felling side leaner and wife pushing tree to direction with tractor attached frontal forks, after husband finished the cut tree decided to go to side and flipped tractor around and killed the wife. Very unprofessional way to fell a tree, thought people without experience couldn't understand the danger.

[@davidmiller4425]

I'm a retired landscaper and did tree work for about 30 years here in eastern Washington region, in that 30 years I escaped death 3 times and am here today to talk about it, it's my opinion that over confidence is the main reason, you have to look at big trees as super structures that deserve respect and you can truly never predict the hazards of trees

[@metaspencer]

I like the way you look at things man: getting too confident and cocky can be a quick route to problems. I'm glad to hear you made it through to the other side of the career. Be well

[@Schogetto]

If we are at the topic of tree work accidents, guys, have a few safety tips. This might be interesting for those, who are just getting started, but maybe for some pro´s too: - wear your PPE, don´t be the "a pear of jeans will do"-guy - stay all the time in close contact via radio with other loggers/operators, so you always know what everybody else is up to - when choosing your work-gear, treat yourself to some high-vis equipment, it might just keep you from getting hit by a log grapple or a processor - don´t get blind to your work and always pay attention to the smallest details, it will keep you alive - get the proper chainsaw education and attend courses, holding a chainsaw and cutting firewood in your backyard does not make you a faller - work with people that seem serious and somewhat experienced (still, accidents can ALWAYS happen so stay sharp) - maintain your equipment (check your chainsaw pants and helmet for expiry dates) Where I am from, we say every 100th or so tree is going to be a mess-up, but if you follow a few basic rules, you can avoid most situations. Happy and save cutting everybody !!!🌲🌲

[@metaspencer]

great list! you've clearly developed a productive philosophy and approach ... thanks for posting

[@dustinhill330]

I really appreciate seeing someone think deeply about things like this. I really enjoy all the tree work videos and it seems like fun exciting work but it’s really important to have that self reflection. I’ve worked construction all my life and too many deaths there too. Also I know what you mean about working with guys, I think sometimes there’s just a mentality of pushing it and it can get dangerous quickly.

[@metaspencer]

I appreciate your broader perspective from construction work, because you're right: it's not a problem only in tree work.

[@shanesouza4303]

Ditto, I've had the same experiences. Everything from inexperienced ground crew right on down to the wedge issue. I was working an oak stump and had 3 wedges in. On the 2nd hit to the wedge it shot out at me and hit me right into one of my finger knuckles. I can still feel the bruise 😕 in the bone to this day. Working solo comes from being put in a spot of danger too many times at the hands of another. Just makes sense to eliminate the hazard. You're not alone in that respect. I'm with August on the issue. Has both pros and cons. I think Reg prefers to work alone as much as possible also. 😎✌️

[@metaspencer]

I've heard from a few others about failed wedges now -- they take more care and attention than I previously thought. Be safe out there man

[@shanesouza4303]

@@metaspencer thanks and stay safe also. 🙏 😎✌️

[@Saxondog]

Very grateful to you for sharing your experience, which only time can give. Listen up you younger guys to what he's said, especially about thinking the job through and not rushing. Thanks

[@markatkinson9963]

Situational awareness is crucial. That and sobriety in the moment of what you are doing and what your task is.

[@metaspencer]

You said it. Tree work demands our full attention for sure.

[@augustusgleason8747]

Love your message, thank you! RIP Jed and my condolences to all those who have lost loved ones in tree work. As primarily a solo Sawyer in post burn areas, and a family at home, I will sometimes take days to determine a cut plan.

[@metaspencer]

Days of planning can really pay off. Great perspective man

[@jonathantaylor6926]

I'm a landscaper but I do a fair amount of tree work and Jed's fatal accident really got me thinking. Jed was a seriously experienced and talented arborist. I do what I consider "the easy stuff" and sub out all rigging/high risk work. But the job that killed Jed I could see myself taking. No rigging, away from all structures. Just get it on the ground. I've always been very careful but this was a wakeup call.. when a guy way more talented than me doesn't make it home that's just downright scary. Tree work is no joke. RIP Jed.

[@metaspencer]

I share that perspective: if it could happen to a guy like Jed, someone with my diminished skill level and experience is at much more risk. A real wakeup call. Thanks for that man. RIP Jed

[@litman252]

This is my exact thought as well...

[@j.b.8767]

Thanks for the video, brother. I have been a tree surgeon, trained originally at LA Rec & Parks, with an emphasis on first ornamental tree surgery, and then line clearance, which got me my journeyman call at Water & Power when I was 23, where I worked for much of my career, first with LADWP, and then out of the Hall, with the IBEW, and like you, I've been doing side work alone, mostly, unless it was a really big job, for 45 years. The mantra at Water & Power, as well as Parks, was ALWAYS: Safety First! So, I was never worried about the "danger", as that was part of the thrill, but also, the danger was only as real as: 1) I made it dangerous, by doing things that pushed the envelope of safety too far; and 2) my perception, and that never exceeded my knowledge, training and experience, as I always felt I could complete every job safely, and did, and still do, whether doing line clearance, still, or side jobs... But you are right, too many guys are getting killed in the last few years in freak accidents! Last year I lost my best friend, and the best tree guy I ever knew, another tree surgeon, Dave Cerigioni, doing a routine job around some primaries, and a can, with a service drop... I don't know what's going on, the jab affecting mental cognition, or what,? but the trend of fatalities is like I've never seen before in the 45 years I've been doing this great work.... It's terribly sad, but I am not going to stop. One quick observation about the tree videos I see on here, (though I've only watched a few, and the ones I did watch discouraged me from watching more): the crazy desire for clicks on here has driven people to push the boundaries of good judgment and reason well beyond any expectations for a good outcome, is my observation, a guy who has performed at at very high level for decades as a #1 tree surgeon on performance evaluations. Thanks for the video. Safety first, brother! God bless.

[@metaspencer]

It's super interesting to hear about your experiences and perspective. I completely agree with your observation about the crazy, thrill-focused work for KZbin being all about MORE CLICKS. Thanks brother. Stay safe out there and keep at it

[@j.b.8767]

@@metaspencer Thank you, brother. You be safe, too! Happy Holidays, bro. God bless.

[@finksies23]

Great video. Money and the thrill is what drew me into the field. I couldn’t imagine doing anything else, that being said I dono if I would want my kids following in my footsteps. Be safe out there, working alone is good and fine but when you work with a tight knite group of guys it also adds a level of safety. I’ve been working with the same guys for 4+ years. Like you said when other come into play often makes the work space more dangerous.

[@metaspencer]

Good hearing your perspective, man. I have a similar feeling about my boys: it would be great to work with them in the trees but I'd never forgive myself if something happened to them.

[@Treestouch]

Thank you , thank you, thank you. Your stories and observations are heard and will be considered. I sure value hearing you put it all this way.

[@metaspencer]

Much appreciated and stay safe out there

[@Arfabiscuit]

All men die few men ever live . Do what you love follow you're heart what will be will be RIP to the fallen .

[@dougyoung221]

Some real truth to that view point as well. I'm 72 and still farming against best advice of some I know. No doubt I'd live longer if I quit, but not sure I'd enjoy just listening to the clock tick.

[@fischertoolandgarden]

Appreciate the video. One of our customers was killed last week cutting a Mexican Fan Palm. He was 51 years old, a very experienced climber, and a super nice person leaving a family behind. We heard of another guy that had to be rescued from one of these trees by another climber. It's sad to hear of these guys just trying to make a living for their families leave this world too soon. It takes a lot of focus and discipline for tree guys and gals to stay safe. Such sad news, thanks for sharing this, take care!

[@metaspencer]

You said it man: a treacherous industry with tons of hazards. Sorry to hear those stories

[@SlainteFromFlorida]

Jed's gems of knowledge that Treeson shared made me a better woodsman and his death has shocked me into a promise to myself. I'm going to take much more time looking up before I touch a tree. I also just saw cottontop3 get whacked with a widow maker after the tree hit the ground.

[@metaspencer]

You and me both man: more time, more care, more attention. Those hangers can come out of nowhere. Be safe

[@lonewolftech]

Wow wait! is cottontop okay?

[@SlainteFromFlorida]

@@lonewolftech Yes. He credits the helmet for saving his life.

[@alldreams13]

Tree guy for over a decade and fireman for 16 years here. The expendable thing hit me close to home. Great video and a great reminder to slow down and think. Be methodical and have plan B’s in place for expecting the unexpected. as a paramedic I keep a CAT tourniquet with me at all times around saws. Recommend the same…. It’s a simple way to save your life. Stay safe out there 👍

[@metaspencer]

My son got trained on a tourniquet in the Air Force and then taught me to use one. Great to have on hand both because it's useful AND because it reminds me of the seriousness of the work. Thanks for that encouragement and stay safe out there!

[@williamrehberg2546]

It's definitely a matter of when, not if. I hate it for Jed and his family...seemed like a great guy. I've had my fair share of close calls, and a few that have left marks...but at the end of the day the world keeps turning. Stay safe, my friend!

[@metaspencer]

Keeps turning for sure. I hear ya with that "When, not if" way of thinking. So true and important to remember. Thanks man. Much appreciated.

[@2Goldens1Rott]

Been a tree worker for 10+ years. Just decided to hang up my saddle. Had some close calls and broke my ankle early on. Learn a ton and absolutely loved it. Still love it to this day, but once I realize, it’s a lie we’ve been told to “make a living”. We all are already living/breathing. God/creator/universe has already gave us everything we need to live and thrive. We live in a fake world, very unnatural. Tree work is not a necessity if humans weren’t so ignorant. There are laws of the universe that we must understand. Everything natural takes care of itself. Once you wake up you can’t go back to sleep. Rip to all those that have fallen. Peace to all, thanks for sharing.

[@metaspencer]

Interesting perspective! Thanks for speaking your truth man!

[@dan-dan-da-treeman]

I agree Spencer. Great video.

[@dan-dan-da-treeman]

Dang man that wood smashed you. Dang.

[@groundpounder24365]

100%

[@metaspencer]

Yup. A real wakeup call.

[@metaspencer]

Be safe every day out there man

[@keithevans8155]

First time seeing your channel, so true about too many tree workers being killed! I've had a few near misses myself one time I was shovel logging a big maple and had the front glass up on the excavator, when the tree hit the ground a chuck of the top flew back about 80 feet and took out the rear window missing my head by inches, happened so fast I didn't see the piece headed my way.

[@metaspencer]

That's a wild story -- I guess you never know what else will go flying when a tree comes down. Stay safe man

[@onebackzach]

I worked for about 6 months in trail clearing/maintenance following a hurricane, and it was enough for me to realize that it was too dangerous of a job for me to do it long term. I only had one near miss as a newbie in some of the messiest, craziest situations for someone to cut their teeth on, but I figured that even residential tree work was too much risk exposure for a long term career. There's a concept of the "safety pyramid" that says for every 100,000 unsafe acts/situations, there will be 1,000 near misses, 100 minor injuries, 10 major/lost time injuries, and 1 fatality, or some variation therein. Of course the exact ratios depend on the industry, but it's fairly representative of the idea. Going off of that logic, the odds of a major injury was only 1:100 in my near miss situation. That's just too much for me, especially considering that the longer you work as an arborist, the higher the odds that one of those near misses ends up being an accident.

[@metaspencer]

Wow, that clearing and maintenance job sounds intense and a real learning experience that you ACTUALLY learned from and progressed from. Those odds you describe are always out there looming and waiting for those of us who stay in the trades with such pyramids. Thanks for those insights, man. Much appreciated.

[@robbledot7290]

24yo climber from AL here. Been climbing for 6-7 years, residential, line clearance, etc. I had my foot broken while attempting to rig a large section of wood (similar to the example you gave of the rope guy not letting it run). I learned that my life is largely in the hands of my ground guys in those situations. That was 3-4 years ago, and I got right back in the saddle after recovering. Sometimes calling the shots yourself is safer than having more variables in the equation. Thanks for the video

[@metaspencer]

Sounds like you've learned a lot -- getting through those first few years is pretty tough. Climb slow, cut small, plan and plan again

[@br-dj2ti]

Rip Jed we lost a wonderful man and a amazing tree guy. Prayers for his family my they find some kind of peace 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️

[@metaspencer]

absolutely. RIP

[@timhannan4551]

Great video, man. A timely reminder for everyone. The same fractured wedge incident is captured on camera in an Austria Forst video from 20th Nov 2016, entitled "Full in my face". Glad you survived it with your eyesight and your good looks intact. Stay safe.

[@metaspencer]

I've heard from a few others now about failed wedges ... they've gotta go out of circulation much sooner than I thought. Thanks for the tip on that video

[@elonmust7470]

A wedge took out 2 of my front teeth and split my bottom lip about an inch down. Cheap yellow wedges from I think it was Northern tool. Wedge broke clean from an unsquare hit and cold weather.

[@metaspencer]

@@elonmust7470 Oh man, that sounds rough

[@anton_mishchenko]

Loggers are almost always most dangerous profession. Almost 10 times higher death rate than police officers. Quote: Logging workers had a fatal accident rate that was 33 times the average job nationwide.

[@metaspencer]

I've seen those stats, too, and they never seem to change! It's just totally unacceptable but quotas keep people working fast and in danger, I guess

[@jKLa]

​​​@@metaspenceryep about 6-7% of logging workers will die on the job! I'm sure other tree work is up there too though and since they are classified as landscapers you wouldn't know if it was actually just as dangerous which I suspect it is. I was just a ground guy working with my cousin's who climbed and some other groundsmen for most of last year (and a few big temp jobs with same company earlier this year). I was pushed to learn climbing but decided against it. I almost got badly Injured a couple times just assisting with ropes from the ground and saw my climber cousin have a couple of very near misses high up. My other cousin who I worked and lived with almost ended up in the chipper after his shirt got caught in some palm fronds as they were going in! It's very dangerous work and really important t9 be careful and not let either a lax or overly macho attitude take hold which both happen a lot. Had a great time and got in shape along the way though! No regrets.

[@metaspencer]

@jKLa you said it man - so many risks

[@purryegbert8609]

Thank you. I am 2 seasons into trees. Started on the ground and now learning to climb.... very sobering commentary.

[@metaspencer]

Awesome that you are digging into the field ... take things slow and work smart!

[@deliverybryan1138]

R.I.P Jed !! You will forever be missed .

[@metaspencer]

Absolutely. RIP Jed

[@savage22bolt32]

I had a desk job in an office for 35 years. I'm very surprised I didn't die from the stress of the absolute pressure cooker I was wedded to. As a child, I loved climbing maples & white pines. Now retired, I love taking them down, piece by piece, for my friends.

[@metaspencer]

That's pretty poetic -- death by desk job sounds all too familiar to many. Glad to hear you've found a good way to work those trees

[@theturfjunkies4052]

It really puts things into prospective that we as humans are not in control of consequences of certain things that happen. What happen to Jed was purely a freak accident and I hate it for is family, friends, and the guys that worked alongside him. Back in September of last year my wife, 2 year old, and myself headed out to my brother-in-laws land so I can help him build a deer stand for his pasture only to find him electrocuted by his own welder. We as humans have to identify the risk analysis of everything and make good judgment calls to avoid fatal mistakes. Tree work is a dangerous job along with other lines of work but you can’t get tunnel vision or rush into something not taking the right steps. I wouldn’t let the comment bother you but you know the apparent risks of solo tree work. Stay safe out there brother!

[@metaspencer]

Oh man, that welding accident sounds absolutely horrible. Sorry to hear man. You're absolutely right about the risks that lurk around every possible corner. What you say about risk analysis and good judgement are key. Taking time for both is what it's all about. Hang in

[@SLOCLMBR]

I completely understand all sides of the working alone thing. If I had a choice, just one or two guys on the ground is perfect for most jobs. I currently work for a decent size outfit, typically a 4-5 man crew. It's too much sometimes and sometimes it's not enough.. it all depends. I'll absolutely work alone in the right situation though

[@littlejoey22]

Ya man, had a pucker factor just last night. I work on a mtn grooming ski trails. Wind picked up, gusting up to 50 mph. Shouldn’t have even been out, but there’s always the pressure to go and make a good product for skiers. I was trying to get back to the barn but had trees coming down that were blocking my way. I Came across a tree blocking the route back that had fallen. Next to it was a dead stander blowing in the wind threatening to fall on top of the downed one I needed to remove. I was forced to fell the big dead standing tree before I could cut the other one. Problem is that it was off the trail, waste deep snow, blowing 50 and I had no idea the internal condition of the wood. It could have easily been rotten making hard to control and with no way of escaping of it fell the wrong way. Sucked. It’s no joke. Most people have no real idea of how dangerous it actually is. Thanks for posting, I saw the other video you referenced before this and man they’re punching me in the gut right now. My heart weeps for his family, leaving kids at home is unbearably sad.

[@metaspencer]

Woah, that sounds really intense. So many factors could go wrong in a situation like that. Hang in and keep your eyes on the important stuff

[@prioritytree]

Dang that sounds hella dangerous

[@CoolGen10]

RIP Jed. Nice synopsis. Climb safe.

[@metaspencer]

Absolutely. RIP

[@trimbaker1893]

Hello, George here. solid topic. I work alone often, almost always. Blair cares and his words will be in my head along with my own. For me, part of what makes me feel so very alive is doing something that requires all my abilities. I am not a thrill seeker, rather I am a life seeker and I feel very alive when I figure out a smart way to bring a tree down and get it bucked and split. I find working with others divides my attention while I am concentrating on the tree and my saw. I like to work with my buddy, and together, we are safer for all the obvious reasons. I find it chilling to hear that Jed died. It made me think of all the times big limbs got thrown as a tree fell... I will think about all of this more. Very meaningful post, thank you. George.

[@metaspencer]

You capture so much of what is appealing and invigorating about tree work: the mental and physical aspects combine out there and sort of encompass your whole being. "A life seeker" ... what a great concept. Be safe man

[@trimbaker1893]

@@metaspencer best i can brother, best i can...

[@dillgross6758]

Keep in mind.. Most of these guys are dying doing what they absolutely love.. unlike a massive percentage of other guys doing other lines of work.. There is Light in the Dark.. we can't give up.. Condolences go out to the families!

[@metaspencer]

Good point. Even with the risks out in the open I think most of us would still prefer this work to so many other things

[@dillgross6758]

@@metaspencer This is my absolute life and I'm 110% obsessed.. and have been. I feel anybody that gets into this line of work.. meet's the other type of people that are into this line of work.. jump a couple stumps.. even if they are little ones, hell even choking tree's is fun.. splitting wood.. Like there's just so much to enjoy.. it's really messed up year man.. I lost my brother in law this September, and he was my business partner! we firewood full time over here in trout creek MT.. I have a video of us splitting wood together! we did that for 3/4 summers straight every single day of summer.. man I miss those days... we lost Dew Drop to suicide.. in the worst possible way.. with the biggest caliber gun.. right under the chin.. in front of his dad/mother and my wife.. I will never forget those curling screams.. I will never forget seeing his legs in the driveway..

[@metaspencer]

@@dillgross6758 That is one rough story about Dew -- but as you say, there is always lightness in the dark. I lost my brother-in-law to a similar fate and it rocked my world but somehow made me want to live more and better. Strange how that can happen. I look forward to that channel of yours and how it develops. Keep moving forward man, and stay safe every day

[@DDPrzDDPrz]

I agree I have left several times and I always come back! There’s just nothing like butt catching a 110’ oak with a 066 outta the spikes 🤙

[@scottbeard5039]

Good input ! I used to have a full time crew, then Obama-care tripled my health insurance cost for everyone, and I had to change up or go under. Now I do about half of my jobs solo, and make more money doing so ! And the other half are the big take downs, crane work etc, I climb and have another company share some great guys to get it all done safe and professional. We all make money and this why I have no “employees “ but still bid everything ! You make a great point when you are working solo, it is much easier to plan it out, set it up, and execute it ! You know what you and your equipment can and can not do! And you are not as prone to younger worker that have not developed the skill or knowledge required to finesse something just perfectly ! It is often safer to do it by your self, and call for help when it’s time to drag brush ! Scott

[@metaspencer]

It sounds like you have some good workflow systems set up for yourself and that's what it's all about -- finding what works and works well. Stay at it and safe, man

[@TypicalJesus]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot recently. I work for utility line clearance and just started climbing I watch as many videos and safety tips as I can I’ve been in this company for 1 year and already heard of multiple accidents but nothing can prepare you for the unknown freak accident type of situation. We recently had a co worker pass away a Groundsman to be specific. Nothing or no one is really safe group or alone. Sometimes luck saves you it’s really crazy. I love my job and everything in this video made me realize no matter what something can always happen to anyone ground guy or climber

[@metaspencer]

You said it man: lots of unknown dangers out there. Stay alert, double check everything, practice your climbing whenever you can (without a saw), etc. Stay safe buddy

[@LithOli-gu8qm]

Blair Glenn's advice was solid. Arborists/tree climbers should always work with at least one trusted individual. I'm not talking about the minimum hourly guy who does not know the ropes because he is all you can find. Climbing is the riskiest skill job your can choose. You need to take every precaution to decrease each and every risk. Having a second set of knowledgeable eyes on the tree, the ropes, the geometry and mechanics is always valuable. Sometimes we have to work alone and we should try to make those exceptions instead of the norm, exercising extreme caution with every cut. Blair Glenn has decades of tree related experience and quite frankly, probably has forgotten more about tree work than I will ever know.

[@metaspencer]

I appreciate reading your perspective here, even including the critiques

[@deadfishporter]

As a solo tree person I was bothered by the comment by Blair. I too have had more "incidents" happen when working with/around other people. So as for me #iworkalone 🤘

[@metaspencer]

Good to hear your perspective -- it reminds me that we're never fully safe and gotta find what works for us. Hang in man

[@rigorousone1324]

Awesome video. Great to see some of the other heavy hitter KZbinrs commenting as well.

[@metaspencer]

Agreed -- good to see the messages coming from different folks across the fields.

[@rackets001]

Yeah that was tough news to hear. Jed seemed like a great guy with a wealth of knowledge and certainly seemed to have a healthy respect for the dangers of his job. A little internet sleuthing also revealed Jed's wife recently fought off an aggressive form of breast cancer. Poor kiddos nearly lost their mom and now don't have a father. Talk about real life stress! I also noticed in a recent video Jacob Rogers posted on his YT channel, he was high up in a tree and accidentally cut his lifeline, secondary rope. 😳 Just a fluke thing, and he still had his flip line, but it has to put the fear of God in you to realize it can happen in a second!

[@metaspencer]

Oh wow that cancer battle must have been intense (or still is). Geeze: when it rains is pours. Cutting that lifeline can happen oh so fast. So much to juggle at every moment. Thanks for the info, man, and be safe.

[@boldersa]

I'm not an arborist, but I do have to use a chainsaw on occasion, I was unfortunate enough to witness a man getting killed during my first week at work in an engineering industry environment. Before I had even used a chainsaw later on in life, the bloke that was teaching me had a scar down his face due to a chainsaw kicking back on him (no visor). I think that everyone has a duty to when putting up KZbin videos, to educate and demonstrate the right and safest way to carry out a job, and not to glamorise it and to "sex" it up just to look good. I am a big advocate of H&S, and life has taught me that there is always an accident waiting to happen.I found this a very interesting topic. All the best, Andy.

[@metaspencer]

Great to hear your thoughts on it mate! Be well

[@MikeErb600]

Be safe man RIP Jed

[@metaspencer]

You too, every day. RIP

[@MikeErb600]

@@metaspencer I would like to collaborate with you possibly I live in pa

[@metaspencer]

@@MikeErb600 Sounds good man. I'm just north of ya in western New York

[@MikeErb600]

@@metaspencer a buddy of mine I cut trees with lives by Binghamton New York

[@AssafLevyIL]

This is a very interesting perspective. Thanks

[@localsonly-ju6fc]

Safety in numbers, or not

[@keithschultz9406]

Thank you for sharing your experiences… after 35 years of being a Utility arborist never become complacent:)) I have 4 friends that have been killed in the last 7 years.. never stop learning and thinking that you know everything… cheers

[@metaspencer]

Sorry to hear about your buddies but good to learn you're still doing it. Be safe man

[@dano7189]

I just watched your KZbin video on this. It’s a big topic. I’ve got more than 15 years of being a production tree climber. My thought is this: you can and should do what’s sensible and try to be safe, but be humble and pray for safety. “Safety is of the Lord.” Wisdom is a gift from God given to those that ask. God gives grace to the humble but he opposes the proud. And if you are humble and prayerful and know the Lord, He may still decide to take you. It’s His decision. He is good and there is no darkness at all. So don’t climb trees without being close to God. I have felt many times that the danger of a particular job may be the death of me. It’s a terrifying thought. So be prepared to die (but try real hard not to). Be prepared to meet God, even if you make it to old age. “For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God” “the wages of sin is death (eternal separation from God and the joys of heaven into damnation) but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (from the book of Romans). Jesus took the wrath of God on the behalf of all who will acknowledge they are sinners and receive His gift of dying and resurrecting in our behalf. It’s faith in Christ plus repentance of sin = eternal life.

[@metaspencer]

Interesting perspective and worldview man, and it seems to really work for you. I appreciate the full respect you have for the climbing situation ... it's hard work and you clearly keep your personal focus intact. Be safe out there buddy

[@dano7189]

@@metaspencer it was good for me to write that. I guess my main point is “climb with God”. Thanks for respecting this radical perspective. And may He keep you safe too.

[@metaspencer]

@@dano7189 Excellent

[@lawrencemartin24]

I have a lot of trees down from a November storm. Still cleaning up. I have a lot of leaners. Scary. I have a big tractor. I don't mess around. I drag the trees out to a safe area. Luckily my land is level. I push those leaners over with my backhoe. A few that were too dangerous I called a professional logger. He came with his big saw and dropped them for a couple hundred bucks on Sunday morning. No way am I messing with anything that's not straight forward. I've made it to my late 60's playing it safe. If I have to think about something too much then I'm not qualified. I appreciate your mind set. But climbing trees for a living? I've never had the mental makeup for hazardous work. Really like your videos. True reality television.

[@metaspencer]

It sounds like you know your limits and have a good system for getting the work done -- well done! knowing those limits is pretty crucial to survival.

[@nhmountains5683]

Good video Spencer. I feel safer working in my woods without others because I have to keep an extra eye out for them and be ready for for them to be in the way. I was cutting down a couple trees last fall for my niece. I dropped one and started limboing it’s. Her husband came right in tight on me grabbing the brush before I was ready. I had to adjust my workflow to get it done safely. He was just trying to help but, definitely isn’t woods wise. I had two cheap Tractor Supply Timber Tuff wedges bust up like that on me in one day a few weeks ago when it was -5. I always wear the Pfanner with the shield down. One hit the shield. In the videos that I saw Jed in he had such a calm confident mentoring disposition with safety in mind. RIP Jed

[@metaspencer]

I know what you mean about working with others and that workflow -- but with that said, over time there's always the chance of working super well with someone (like an oiled machine). It takes time and luck and all of that -- for the time being, I'm in the place you describe where solo work works best. Always happy to hear about those woods of yours. May he RIP

[@blazeweaver7467]

You won me over. Thanks for putting the message out there, we have to be safe so we all can go home..

[@metaspencer]

You got it

[@alexschwan625]

Thanks for sharing this, I can definitely relate lost a few close ones to this trade and have had a couple close calls over the years

[@metaspencer]

Take care man

[@moon_dog4]

47 yrs in the biz, ive almost been killed a few times, climbing or feet on the ground, its one of the most dangerous trades. When I was younger, the old tree warden used to say"be careful, there's one out there with your name on it"

[@metaspencer]

Yeah too many near misses and always pressure to get it done. Be careful out there man

[@SwampOperator]

My old boss , one of the best tree men i know, really good at problem-solving and thinking things through, got bounced out of a bucket truck 60ft up last year. He always tied in. That day somehow he forgot. He came down on the edge of the headache rack and it gutted him. Broke all kids of stuff. Both legs, pelvis, shoulder, and many other small bones. He almost bled out, and was saved by his climber who was working the ground that day witb a sprained ankle.. dude was a highly trained arborist and fireman. Saved his life . It dont matter who you are, how good or careful you are.. accidents are called that for a reason. Stay safe brothers. Its a dangerous job, a slight lapse of concentration, overlook the slightest thing, a freak accident... anything could happen.

[@metaspencer]

What a horrible story ... but thanks for posting. You speak the truth man: that accident is always there waiting for us

[@jimratliff2753]

Very well put together video. Quite a few interesting and eye opening topics you covered in this presentation. I especially like the one where slow down and think are emphasized. Sometimes we take safety and quality out of first and second place and place productivity there instead. You must keep safety and quality first and second and then your productivity and profit will follow. Mess up this equation and then you may become a statistic.

[@metaspencer]

I appreciate how you talk about it as an equation involving productivity and safety ... and the two do not always work well together. Slow and deliberate is always the way to go, as you describe, even if it means making less $$$$ per day.

[@rickgoodson2792]

Great information. That is a huge discussion. I've been hurt working alone and with a crew. Just been lucky I guess but safety is key. And if you see or feel your self getting excited about a tree job, remember your training and take a breath and just take your time . My close calls were just not being safe and moving too fast.Stay safe out there. I'm sorry about Jed.Gone but not forgotten.

[@metaspencer]

I know what you mean about getting excited or rush -- never a good thing when so much risk in involved. Thanks for sharing your wisdom man

[@robertdouglas3456]

Amen brother! I am 65 years old & I bought my climbing spikes, harness & safety gear to tie myself in. I am a first time climber! I will start small then move up! I am excited but very cautious!.I have a full use gym coming Thursday this week to get in shape! 🤩🤩🤩🤩

[@metaspencer]

My advice would be, not that you're asking, ractice practice practice on those ropes and in the trees for a year or more before you even think about using a saw. Spike only the dead stuff

[@user-pd5ot4zd4b]

Wow, testify. If you're working lumber, you might as well be working the high steel on a skyscraper. Had an extended family that was a tree man and managed to live to old age - too tough for me! Much respect.

[@peteaplin8324]

Good that you bring this up, i do agree that working alone poses risks but working with incompatable others can be worse...above all, work smart ap , work safe ap!