Too Much "Art" for Don Draper

[@fasttwitch1723]

"So Ron IF you had a job....." what a burnn

[@leeroyjenkins6061]

Roy

[@SergeantExtreme]

Basically what I say to most liberals I meet.

[@SergeantExtreme]

@@brownie43212 Tell that to ANTIFA, BLM, and all of the other far left liberals. You're not just a clown, you're the whole damn circus!

[@rare.phukin.spotted.halibut]

@@SergeantExtreme, we make the world go 'round, clown, while we let you live here. You better know yourself before you think you can crawl out from under your rock.

[@SergeantExtreme]

@@rare.phukin.spotted.halibut Wrong again. Given that 98% of farmers in America are conservative, I'd say it's us conservatives that let YOU live.

[@csmelen]

"How do you sleep at night"? "On a bed made of money." Classic Don Draper

[@aj7058]

Because we come in on them being so well off and there are so many like actually full on wealthy characters Don's own money seems like a given but is probably actually something he feels really strongly about. It's an understated dimension of his character.

[@mebarkiimad8999]

Don: switch seats with me Hippie: no way Don: *let the war begin*

[@applescruff1969]

He's not a hippie, he's a beatnik.

[@chrono106]

I respected him for that

[@meNtor890]

"Broadway is the birthplace of mediocrity." "- Maybe it's born there but I think it's conceived right here."

[@christianwestling2019]

That is a great line

[@999TheJoseph]

Like every other man, Don has sat and watched a festering bowl of crap because of the chance of getting some.

[@broccoli_lad]

@Luigi too true lmao

[@michaelsieger9133]

And women drag men to this sort of mediocre tripe in order to test their determination and commitment.

[@richardwere4487]

Oh the pain of it all...

[@maxhalsted5381]

@@michaelsieger9133 agreed and sat through too

[@2012jaysean]

Too fucking true HAHAHA

[@williammccormick2802]

2:05 I love how she addresses the elephant in the room so Don goes for the knockout. "If you had a job..." I love how he lets that hang there is a beat.

[@theconservativelib]

The "suit" is the most creative guy in that room.

[@seamac206]

That’s the point: Don is an artist

[@MyCityStopMotion]

@@seamac206 That wasn't the point at all.

[@MyCityStopMotion]

@@jon8004 No the point was literally that Don was a shallow shell of a human who's only creativity stemmed from his desire to make himself into something he wasn't. This show is not a defense of fancy dudes in suits who work for high end businesses it's an attack on them.

[@NCRonrad]

@@jon8004 what about the Zion singers?

[@NCRonrad]

@@jon8004 the group that transfixes Don after the commie navel gazing (because of Rachel’s Utopia/Utopos quote)

[@md1960md]

"On a bed of money..."

[@kickassjumpman]

"So what do you do Don?" "-I blow up bridges" Boom. Manages a quick "Artsy" Hemingway reference, while still being dismissive in his response. On the ball. Bravo Draper, bravo.

[@jeremymendoza1465]

kickassjumpman For whom the Don tolls

[@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg]

I work in advertising too, and whenever someone asks me what I do I always say "I blow up bridges" just to see if they get the reference.

[@Luucianocl]

@@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg what a pretentious twat you must be

[@seamac206]

What’s the Hemingway reference?

[@bellerophonchallen8861]

@@seamac206 From, 'For Whom The Bell Tolls' Ernest Hemmingway, 1940.

[@cocobot90]

Everything he says makes sense. The world is indifferent, things just are how they are. Romanticizing it only takes things out of context just so people can feel better. You can act in a way or try to evoke changes that fit a romanticized notion or ideal, but the universe itself is, like Don says (in another scene with the beatniks) indifferent and this isn't a "bad" thing, either.

[@TheColdplay200]

Brilliant comment

[@applescruff1969]

"Change isn't good or bad, it just is." - Don Draper.

[@floratinuviel2762]

Don't quite agree. The things we do have consequences. Saying "it is what it is" is taking the easy way out. It's true that the universe itself doesn't care what we do, we are only small. But our actions do affect others.

[@jackjax7921]

1:51 This still applies today. "People like to be told what to do badly they listen to anyone."

[@minarik01]

this is a dostoyevsky-ian principle. No one wants true free will. They want to praise a GOd or blame a devil. If they had true free will, they would have to be accountable for everything

[@backyardmech]

I tried watching ‘Mad Men’ years ago with my sons - they found it so boring I gave in and we watched something else; I couldn’t argue - it was SLOW to start. But there was something about it that grabbed me , like this great line as Don trades barbs with a Beatnic “So Roy, if you had a job , what would you do ?” With all this extra "Covid-19" time on my hands I decided to give it another try -it’s worth the watch !

[@bigmack2262]

It took my wife and I a few episodes before we got hooked.

[@robertswitzer990]

Dear god what I would give to get to experience my first time watching this show again.

[@JudgeJulieLit]

In fairness to Roy, Roy is, like Midge, a decade or more younger than Don; and is in a theatre workshop, training for a career in theatre, which potentially could be ultra profitable. Whereas Don (unlike actor Jon Hamm, B.A.) has never gone to college, always taken a hardline commercial pragmatic, ad agency beginner's luck, apprentice career path.

[@thebadaids]

Imagine actually locking yourself in your house for weeks and months on end during the “pandemic.” You guys that caved to that media BS are hilarious. Everyone ended up getting it, might as well have lived your life anyway during that time.

[@alisp.4384]

Don is not example to be followed by anyone. The best part of Don and Roy’s exchange was cut. Roy actually makes Don look stupid with an exchange he will never forget.

[@welltailored0076]

I worked wire fraud for a bank 5 years ago. I spoke Spanish so I handled the calls to Venezuela. Most of the wire transfers that I processed were being placed by prostitutes bc they acted like an ATM for foreign businessmen who needed access to the American dollar amidst a crumbling economy. So whenever people asked what I did for a living, I would tell them that "I talk to Venezuelan hookers"

[@MrAppalachia]

Noice

[@sedakame1]

Noice

[@prankstereddy]

You sir are a legend.

[@applescruff1969]

"Mediocrity might be born on broadway, but it's conceived here." - Don Draper I want this on a plaque above my fireplace.

[@championdesigns]

Then "here" would be referring to your living room 😊

[@applescruff1969]

@@championdesigns Good one. ;)

[@ptrgr72]

​@@applescruff1969you could replace "here" with "school"

[@applescruff1969]

@@ptrgr72 Very true. School's only exist to brainwash you.

[@hdpartssalessupernovaserie9672]

2:06 ...when the truth hits home...

[@keith0363]

Out of all the awesome one-liners in this scene, I think Midge has the best: "We all have to serve somebody."

[@koolaidman6251]

Makes it hit harder when we find out later on in the show that heroin is the master she serves

[@JustSomeCanadianGuy]

All of the characters in this scene besides Don probably wound up homeless in the 70s.

[@LewisCampbellTech]

Worse - they became public school teachers

[@deprogramm]

@@LewisCampbellTech worse, some got lucky and began teaching at universities

[@phunkymonkiee]

@@deprogramm A few seasons after this, Don runs into Midge again and she's a heroin addict living in a grotty apartment, well on her way to homelessness. It was all foreshadowed pretty well.

[@UberKrispy]

@@deprogramm and they all make more money than you

[@deprogramm]

@@UberKrispy depends, we all overestimate how much professors get paid.

[@Piffhefner]

Don didnt even put his coat on his chair cuz its such a shitty place so he puts his coat on his lap. Also how he put out the chair and said switch seats with me lol after he said no he put the chair in a way where his back is turned to the guy lol such a boss

[@mikepeterson764]

So if you had a job, what would you do?

[@Synndrax]

The seven people who dislike this clip ordered first with no intention of paying and don't have a job.

[@torque122]

“I blow up bridges.” Absolutely love that. Use it all the time because it’s true. 😉🇺🇸

[@Magido89]

1:35 that hurt Don, hearing midge talk like that about him

[@Intrepid_Crusader1096]

Anyone else realize that this is the same place where Midge Maisel performs her stand up routine?

[@MrDanty64]

3:14 or so...For those that don't know she is doing a damn good impersonation of DIANE DIPRIMA. This same pose was in one of the more famous B/W pics of her and used on covers of volumes of poetry and her Biographies....damnit. I'm thinking a double shot of Jack right now and just saying to hell with it and jumping up on a counter and letting one rip in honor of Lawrence Ferlinghetti...

[@nimazsheik5152]

I like that long drag of cigarette after Don says "So Ron if you had a job...", it's like he's letting the burn fester into the hipster LMAO!

[@JudgeJulieLit]

Just like lifelong blue collar woiker Archie Bunker on All in the Family to his son-in-law "Meathead," living with Gloria in her childhood home as he pursues a college bachelor's, then master's degree, which takes five years. Afterward "Meathead" becomes a high paid college professor. Ever hear of the career "long game"?

[@MaliceInCandyland]

Don is secretly a beatnik. :P

[@crazyralph6386]

Who’s the girl that played Margaret Trudeau @2:34? 😂

[@alexk6343]

When I'm in a group that doesn't know what I do I say when asked "I blow up bridges" and just smile. Works miracles.

[@Light.Sleeper_YT]

If this took place in 2022 Roy would definitely have a blue check on twitter.

[@JakeLesser]

right next to his go fund me link.

[@supernerd4677]

Don Draper is like a live action version of Sterling Archer.

[@pedrocoderch936]

Don Draper was in his late thirties in the early 1960's. He belonged to the last generation of people for whom the "system" was a given. What you see in this video is a clash of generations. He was a teenager in the 1940's, and was a man during arguably the happiest time in U.S history. It was hard to be "rebellious" during his youth because Americans were richer than ever, the gap between rich and poor was small, people were courteous, polite, rates of violence were tiny. America fell apart.

[@Studentofgosset]

The character of Don was dirt poor when he grew up, if anything he was irritated by the luxury the hippies had while still "rebelling", whereas he was too hungry to rebel when he was younger.

[@TheBacknblack92]

Did you even watch the show?

[@siman_ql5729]

Gringos* United States*

[@TalesHilaricki]

*United States fell apart* (correction)

[@zacharypeery4082]

Not to mention the population was less than half of what it is today

[@rickmcginnis]

Basically the non-comedy version of the first episode of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.

[@tucsonia]

Like how Don puts pseudo-intellectual beatnik "artists" into their proper place.

[@hamiltonjsh]

the first hipsters!

[@winnienguyen4420]

Yes beatniks were the first true hipsters no doubt.

[@JudgeJulieLit]

@@winnienguyen4420 And before them, jazz musicians, the earliest, African Americans.

[@bobcole612]

“I have a feeling you spent more time on your hair this morning than she (Midge) did”.

[@NESherv]

No, in the 2010s, it's the hipsters.

[@Ryan-fc9lq]

The ginger girl is hilarious.

[@steveetienne]

Ryan W Annoying more like

[@sunkintree]

She's mastur baiting on stage. Her poem/piece has no substance whatsoever outside of its political intentions. As art it is terrible. As a show's depiction of terrible art, it's great.

[@reallyhappenings5597]

If you had a job, what would you do? Oh man that cuts!

[@lordmclovin3694]

Don ain’t buying pencils from their cups

[@era_emissary]

This dude is reading the newspaper 😂

[@frankmaxwell2699]

Art🤣

[@cyrus138]

This scene is awesome. I should start watching this show.

[@volklupo5133]

So after all this time what did you think???

[@muzafferelbeyli2756]

@@volklupo5133 lol yeah

[@cyrus138]

@@volklupo5133 It's even more credible than ever.

[@steverogers7601]

“People want to be told what to do, so badly, that they’ll listen to anyone” Is why Joe Rogan, Lex Friedman, Oprah, Dr. Oz, Walter Mercado, Gwenyth Paltrow, and Staten Island Medium are a thing.

[@applescruff1969]

To Joe's credit, he's more of an interviewer rather than a commentator.

[@steverogers7601]

@@applescruff1969 you can say that all you want, and he can call himself an idiot or a meathead all he wants, but the fact that he is insistent on talking about topics that he has no real experience or background in to the point that he argues his points aggressively and constantly by excessively using hyperbole and lines of questioning, makes it quite obvious that he and many others do not take his words as just “chit chat” or “not serious.” His tactics and gimmicks are pretty transparent.

[@Lordofthewhyz]

@@steverogers7601 someone’s feeling a little authoritarian this morning…

[@BtrDaze]

Don always had the best lines

[@francescotamburini5790]

What’s with the fake erotic dream with Fidel Castro and Khruschev peeking at the Waldorf? Love the little details in this series.

[@TheBigEase]

Often still the case in these types of places...

[@isabe11e99]

Don is such a badass.

[@willlisto1105]

I always wonder why Don hung out with these 2 he obviously didn’t like this culture

[@MilanVoorhees]

cooch

[@alisp.4384]

The video left out the best part of the Roy exchange. During the whole night Roy never lowered to Don ‘s level and didn’t reply to his jabs and passive aggressiveness up until the end. Roy is hated among viewers because he told Don to his face what he really is and liar who sell lies, a liar who makes money fooling people, who never did anything noteworthy in his world except selling lies. Don replies some metaphysical bullshit worthy of a 14 year old teen that impress no one except a guy who is too high to know better and leaves shortly after. Peoplei may hate Roy but he is 100% right n his assessment of Don. That artists in that room may not be good but is more real an honest than anything Don ever did. Don understimate Roy and his friends thinking they were stupid and passive, when actually they are more intelligent and brave then him. Artists are looked down by people but the world would be much worse and way more boring without art.

[@smann7236]

Interesting insight, but financially they are worse off

[@hellovagim]

It’s not true, to be where Don is, Don probably understands all the truth these guys are saying and see through them. These are the illusion and unrealistic. To be able to be creative and sell things to people you need to see beyond these illusion. Which I think Don knows it and he’s not afraid of showing the side of it.

[@tear728]

Roy doesn't believe in truth, he's a Marxist

[@charlesgomez4495]

Watch me disrobe! Behold my talisman!!

[@BlazedBastar666]

Totally true, my hair looks great. But your first quote makes no sense, not only would I be doing what I was told by going with the anti-beatnik vibe. Also, there is no evidence that I am "told" to do anything by beat literature, nor is there evidence that I'm "listen[ing]". But "A" for effort, man.

[@basskick10]

I find myself around the present-day art types like these from time to time. Of course, none of them are really quite as sharp as Roy here, but it still feels good to make them look silly with a "I blow up bridges" style line. They can't compete with you on a status or financial level, so they take solace in being able to top most people on an intellectual plane. So when THAT fails... must sting pretty badly.

[@TheCarrots101]

basskick10 holy shitballs we got a dumbass over here

[@markdubois3614]

The 60s back when people had no pictures on any I'D the wild west

[@JudgeJulieLit]

Photo IDs started in the early 1980s.

[@adriangawryjolek]

Can't agree more.

[@carlosgutierrez2789]

That looks like such a boring place to spend your night at...

[@davegibbs6423]

Nothing to do with two classes. Two different cultures.

[@Paciffic]

"and I have a feeling that you spent more time on your hair this morning than she did" Says the guy with ton of a grease on his hair, meticulously cut, trimmed and formed into slick sidepart vs the guy who just has longer messy hair - lmao

[@rightuppercut1426]

The purpose of a ton of grease in your hair is easy maintenance. You throw in a handful, comb your hair to the sides and you’re done. Takes 15 seconds max.

[@Paciffic]

@@rightuppercut1426 Regular visits in barbershop take more than 15 seconds, also it looks like a pomade, not just grease. And even if is's 15 seconds - the other guy spent 0 seconds maintaining his hair. The joke and "punchline" makes no sense here.

[@TarPatSlo]

Don isn’t pretending to be anti-consumerist though. Roy is.

[@Paciffic]

@@TarPatSlo Yes, that's why Don is trying to point out "event though you're anti consumerist Roy, you still care so much about your hair" - but the statement is wrong. He's trying to point out his hypocrisy which he fails at doing so. Unless I misunderstood something

[@fardimnazir666]

@@Paciffic Don pointed out Roy's hypocrisy perfectly. He does not come into the picture...what you're doing is whataboutery.

[@Tim85-y2q]

Midge was Don's best mistress. She was the only one that came close to being his intellectual equal, which is what I think he really needed.

[@davedecastris8741]

YOU$A™

[@kentuckyfriedchildren5385]

The difference between art and artsy

[@dcxplant]

Don, calling out hipsters, decades ahead of its time LoL, the hipsters still spend more time and money on their hair than women do, and don't get me started on their obsession with stiff uncomfortable boots that cost $600 dollars. Gotta love hipsters, endless entertainment!

[@KC-wf7qt]

The man who pays for the drinks is the only man at the table, don't need to poke it out when you know which one you are.

[@moracalde]

I didnt feel bad at all for her ending.

[@BlazedBastar666]

Cool misrepresentation of the beat movement.

[@jamietodd2560]

Which would you rather be: Authentic and starving? Or fake and comfortable?

[@larrysmith2638]

Except Roy is both fake and starving. Don may be "fake," but he's honest about it.

[@Davidsworldtravels]

Everyone there is fake. That's the point of the entire show. They're all creating identities for themselves it's just that Don is better at it because he's aware of it.

[@larrysmith2638]

@@Davidsworldtravels Well put. I suppose that all of us are "fake," trying to create an identity.

[@Davidsworldtravels]

@@larrysmith2638 the show can be very cynical but the fact he is literally a self made person and became so successful is actually very empowering. The beatniks created almost an anti identity to corporate life and Peggy slowly overcame insecurities to develop hers. By the end of the show Don was just tired of it but it could easily have been a motivational story if they wanted to go that way.

[@JudgeJulieLit]

Most of the "comfortable" smokers of this era (like Betty Draper, in this era) died prematurely from lung cancer or emphysema, touted as healthful and as mandatory for sophisticated coolth by ad agencies.

[@mihaeltomic1995]

bed made of money...im done

[@welltailored0076]

Reminded of this scene, several months ago I was pulling guard on the steps of the state capitol during the "civil disturbances", one night the protestors brought a microphone and had an open mic, a black college girl commenced to say her poetry for the better part of an hour, her poems seemed like the hazy ramblings of an uncontrollable ADHD tantrum, waiting for someone to shout "take off your shirt"

[@tucsonia]

@theconservativelib Yep, and Don Draper is the most ingenious creation of Dick Whitman.

[@marishkaspirit]

It was full of Midge and this theater Guy în my genration too. I finished 2013 art colleague and i was just like this too. Is all fun and games and idealism, thinking we are superior to the brainwashed workers because we are woke and Free. But those were colleague years where you sit on the help of parents and don't think of finances, where you have all the freedom to create art and to idealise life and to judge others. Reality hits hard after you finish colleague and you realized you need a job to make money and art is not profitabile enough to live off and you have no choice but to be come what you judge and despised most. Then you realized you've never been woke or open minded or different, just very naive and narrow minded actually. In my colleague years i would have mocked people like Don, but the Reality is either you end up there in The Lucky case, or you end up a straving bum. No one can live off these idelasitic ideas their whole lifes. That's why hippie genration failed hard. Once they passed the teenage phase and into maturity, there was no where else to go then either a job they so heavy critisized, or homless addicts, the lowest level. All of them are bunch of hypocrits - the artist here.

[@JudgeJulieLit]

*college, not "colleague"

[@reallyhappenings5597]

Years of idealism are still an important part of a healthy life, no matter what comes later on. A sense of possibility is the nature of youth.

[@smann7236]

One of my favourite comments and hate to say it you are spot on, but let's be honest we were sold that dream of being starving artist in 20s and waiting for big break that will eventually happen...Best advice to artists is learn finance first then arts.

[@7135HOLLY]

I have a feeling you spent more time on your hair than she did….

[@lightschunk]

I would’ve fuckin left.

[@life4fireforever273]

So is this on stage performance or just pretentiousness?

[@HatersG0nHate]

whatever makes you sleep at night

[@magicapricot]

holy shit

[@rodrigoquezada5556]

Cap?

[@nahaaha-p7y]

S01E06

[@jlrob85]

There are two main types of people in society. Those are are net contributors to the tax system and those that aren’t.

[@JudgeJulieLit]

Big corps are the biggest of the latter category.

[@stoneartisen4216]

these nits are strong compared to sjws

[@JudgeJulieLit]

They were sjws. They laid the groundwork for the later 1960s groundbreaking civil rights laws.

[@mr0-fukspoliticallyincorre247]

@@JudgeJulieLit Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican and Republicans voted in LBJ's Civil Rights act at the highest level SJWs today are all about anti-male, anti-white racism, cancel culture censorship and ruining opportunity based on merit which is what MLK Jr was all about and also ruining fun as well as free speech and due process and in some cases the right to the presumption of innocence

[@johnwright7916]

@@mr0-fukspoliticallyincorre247 If you actually read some of MLK Jr's quotes, he leaned very towards being a socialist

[@mr0-fukspoliticallyincorre247]

@@johnwright7916 Sources and actual references please Because you do know he was a republican and Donald Trump for decades was a Democrat So without full context and actual sources you cannot divulge the full greyness I myself for example am a right winger I am neither far right nor alternate right I am Centre-Right and have a few left leanings in some circumstances What he talked about was equal opportunity/pay/right to be places and no segregation/marry/etc - as well as merit not quotas ALL of which I whole heartedly agree

[@rtphotos4691]

@@mr0-fukspoliticallyincorre247 - "Anti male?" Not even close. Having 51% of the world's population stand up and say, "look, we're tired of being dehumanised, beaten, mocked, raped and murdered." You think the people who *know* men are better than that are "anti male." It's quite the opposite. EVERY man who sees another use words like "simp" "cuck" and all the other slurs used to degrade those men who are tired of the dipsh*ts with loud gobs speaking for them ought to be angry every time a sorry excuse for a man disrespects and dehumanises women. It is those men who make the world a place where others have to fight for basic human rights. Men are better than that so stop trying to argue that the rapists, perverts and murderers set the bar for manhood. It also isn't logical to say "anti male" when the world has been actually anti female for thousands of years. It has been that way in such a horrific manner that man made god in his own image and wrote fairy tales which subjugate the female sex. Entire Religions which teach men to despise womankind dominate the world. Your books are lies. Reality will not bend to the will of man. Women fighting NOT to be raped and murdered and used *is* the inevitable outcome of the acts of men who wrote commandments that women do not exist as human beings. Remember, if a woman is "anti male?" She will avoid men. If a man is "anti female?" He will rape and murder, and if he doesn't do those, he will sit quietly and spineless as he watches other men do it. Your reference to "fun" is also disturbing. It hasn't been fun for women as a sex for thousands of years. Your comment even goes in circle because men don't listen *because* the truth comes from women.

[@eddiebrevet4000]

To all you hippie haters out there, we all don’t pretend to be knowers, me I’m was just a dreamer, I am one with a legacy now, in more ways than one

[@jackburton7483]

Don advertises. Roy studies theater. So when Roy eventually acts for a living, how is he going to tell anyone what shows he's in?

[@script5]

:)

[@BlazedBastar666]

Dude, try harder. Go to 4chan, maybe they can teach you how to troll because you don't know what you're doing. lol "hipster".

[@tomstonemale]

@politicoochie09 sounds more like nazis, excuse my english

[@Meepmeep888]

Soon as he said “l’chaim” I hated him in full

[@Michael-et2uj]

And he mispronounced it.

[@kmose364]

Omg even written depictions of arty hippie boomers are cringy

[@BlazedBastar666]

slow troll is slow